The real person behind Fish

[FishaHallic]

Fish-

Like I said, you haven't a clue. I pay my share and the shares of the countless others who don't pay. Fact of the matter is, over 85% of the taxes paid in this country are paid by less than 20% of the population. That's how I'm "not passing on my tax bill".

The only thing we'll be passing on to our children if Obama has is way is a perpetuation of freeloaders and entitlement seekers that will cost our children trillions in the future.

I know you won't understand it though. You are not capable. It's not your fault, you either have the capacity or you do not. In your case...you don't.

So, who is going to pay for the over $4,000,000,000,000 that we have added to the national debt?  Bush and the republicans almost doubled the national debt in 8 years.  If our gov't does not collect enough taxes to pay it's bills then it borrows money which is added to the national debt.  Since your party (the republicans) insist on cutting taxes (which makes them look good to voters) but then turns around and borrows money to run the country (which evidently most people don't realize) then in a sense, you are not paying your share of taxes.  Neither am I for that matter but then again I did not vote for Bush.

Anyone would be for lower taxes, but to lower taxes and then borrow money to run the country just puts our burden on future generations.  Am I not right about this at least.

[Anoriginal]

You can start by spreading the taxes out over a broader range and lessening the burden on those already paying the majority. Then cut back on the social welfare programs that suck us dry and create a class of people who are born thinking the government owes them a hand out. Reward struggle and not laziness. Personally, I pay a ridiculous amont of taxes and I can't withstand any more. Let everyone else pay their share too. Sometimes, that flat tax looks mighty good to me. hard o argue when everone is treated the same.

Also, don't artificially inflate the economy. In my opinion the bailout is a terrible idea. $700B for what? It's a band aid on cancer. that's money the tax payers will never get back. If you want to stimulate the economy and get a return on the taxpayers money, invest it back into the broken banking system in the form of capital contributions in exchange for stock. In other words, don't lend the money to the banks, buy into them and up their capital (which is what they all need right now). In exchange, the government (the people) get common stock with a promise of return.

Also, free up the credit marks for the banks. Allow them to write off the capital requirements in a manner equal to the current depreciated value of those assets the financed. Why should the banks have to suffer the 100% holding rule when the assets held are in the tank as much as 50% or more? Allowing this would further strengthen America's dollar and decrease our dependence on foreign loans.

As a result, not only are we more autonomous but, the American tax payer sees an immediate impact in the form of increased domestic capital expenditure, increased lending (under the new restrictions) and a more productive country. Also, the taxpayers know that their money is at least in a position to get a return based upon the stock ownership.

That's just for starters. There's tons more to do absent raising taxes on those who are already taxed to the hilt. Remember, in today's global economy, the more you tax big business, the more likely they are to pack up and leave. One things for sure. Raising taxes while creating new social welfare programs (infastructure rehab and green energy expenditures to the tune of almost 1 trillion dollars) isn't going to solve anything.

Oh, and I am a registered Democrat.

[FishaHallic]

All that sounds fine (the parts I understand) but that does not change the fundamental way the republicans have ever done anything.  Like I said I would love to have my tax bill cut but not at the expense of postponing the payment on to future generations like for your kids and mine and our grandchildren.

Even giving Bush and the republicans credit for fighting the wars in Iraq (700 billion) and  Afghanistan (maybe 300 billion if that) they are still pumping up deficits of over 3 trillion dollars for the Bush 8 years.  This is not a 1 or 2 year thing it's every year spending more than they take in but yet they expect people not to live beyond their means when the gov't does it more than anyone.

I am sure the democrats will also have deficits (especially now if they inherit this economy) but if you look at the chart someone posted which I will try to find, the deficits go down dramatically with the dems.  It's worth it to me to pay a few more dollars in taxes now then my grandkids paying a whole lot more later because of our selfishness.

[cheropride]

The deficits go down, because in general, democrats raise taxes.

The tax cuts that are currently in place, will expire after Bush leaves office, that alone will increase taxes.  When the ecomony, and people are struggling as we are now, it is not the time raise taxes or increase spending. 

Some where, I have it all written down, Obama's proposed "new" spending, and without even counting healthcare, it is just over a trillion dollars.  And most of that money is either going to more entitlement programs, or countries like Pakastan.  Speaking of Pakastan, Obama states on his website, "The War We Need To Win", whereas we need to end to war to in Iraq, so we can get on the right battleground.  Pakistan and Afganistan.  And at the same time, we wants to increase "non-military" funding to Pakistan. 

Obama's proposed increased taxes on Small Business and Corporations.  That concerns me.  Obama says, his tax increase will only apply to 5% of Small Business; I find that hard to believe, and know that not to be true.  His tax increase will apply to the company that my husband works for; therefore, will affect us.  If tax is raised to 25 - 28%, that's a persons salary.  That means for that company to continue to make profits, they are going to have to cut jobs, and the more profits that company makes, the more jobs they will have to cut.  How does that make since.  This also applies to the company my neighbor works for, they fall into this category, that Obama says is only 5% of the small business. 

Instead of raising taxes on small business; I rather see that additional 10 - 15% stay within the company, so that company can continue to pay their employees, and create more jobs.  On top of that, Obama wants to raise the minimum wage to $9.15 hour, which is fine, but you can't do that on top of raising taxes.  It will put too much of squeeze on small business.

Raising taxes on Corporations, is just going to make more Large Corporations, move out of the Country, how is that going to help the economy.  As a Country, we need offer incentives for these large companies to come back into the US, not chase more out by raising their taxes. 

Just my opinion.....

[KAW3604x4]

READ AND THEN THINK ABOUT THIS ONE

*/Whether you agree or not, whether you are a Democrat or a Republican,
this is a very interesting article and should give everyone in this
country something to think about , mull over, discuss./*

* *545 PEOPLE
*By Charlie Reese *
**
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and
then campaign against them.

Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and the Republicans
are against deficits,  WHY do we have deficits?

Have you ever wondered why, if all the politicians are against inflation
and high taxes, WHY do we have the inflation and high taxes?

You and I don't propose a federal budget.   The President does.

You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on
appropriations.   The House of Representatives does.

You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.

You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.

You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme
Court justices  545 human beings out of the 300 million  **are directly,
legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems
that plague this country.

I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem
was created by the Congress.   In 1913, Congress delegated its
Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally
chartered, but private, central bank.

I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason.
They have no legal authority.   They have no ability to coerce a
senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing.
I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash.
The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the
lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine
how he votes.

Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that
what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con
regardless of party.

What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive
amount of gall_*.   For instance, no 'normal human being' would have the
gall of any Speaker of The House to stand up and criticize a current
President for creating deficits .   _The President can only propose a
budget.   He cannot force the Congress to accept it._

The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole
responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and
approving appropriations and taxes.    Who is the Speaker of the
House?  The leader of the majority party.  **He_/__She and fellow House
Members, not the President, can approve any budget they want._**   If
the President vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to
do so.

*_It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot
replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of
incompetence and irresponsibility.   I can't think of a single domestic
problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people.   When you
fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the
federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they
want to exist.
_
*If the tax code is unfair, it's because they made it unfair**.

If the budget is in the red, it's because they put it in the red.

If the Army & Marines are in IRAQ , it's because they put them in IRAQ .

If they do not receive **social security but are on an elite retirement
plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way
(and believe me, they do!) *
*There are no insoluble government problems.

*_Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they
hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and
advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to
regulate and from whom they can take this power.   Above all, do not let
them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical
forces like 'the economy,' 'inflation,' or 'politics' that prevent them
from doing what they take an oath to do

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

They, and they alone, have the power.

*They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are
their bosses _provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own
employees_.*

Why don't we just vote ALL of them out of office and clean up their
mess!
                               
*What you do with this article now that you have read it is up to you,
though you appear to have several choices.*
* 1.     You can send this to others, and hope' they' do something about
it. *
*2.     You can agree to 'vote against' everyone that is currently in
office, knowing that the process will take several years.*
*3.     You can decide to 'run for office' yourself and agree to do the
job properly.*
*4.     Lastly, you can sit back and do nothing, or re-elect the current
bunch.*
**

 

[cheropride]

Great post!!!!  Something surely needs to be done!!!