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« on: September 17, 2008, 08:51:05 AM »

I got back my first algebra test today. I got a 55-F, which I thought was the wierdes thing, so when the prof. went over the test, turns out he magically mixed in my scantron with a different test form. Anyways, it turns out I got a 90-A. Thats not what this is about this, but its leading to it. One of the questions I did get wrong was, -5 squared. I was taught since middle school and a negative squared turns into a postive. Either the stereotype about public school is right, or my teacher is nuts, because he said -5 squared is negative 25, not positive 25.

Just venting, but seriously wth, I've never seen it solved that way.
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« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2008, 08:59:00 AM »

You are looking at it as -5 * -5. That does equal positive 25.

Algaebraicly it is written like this.

-(5 squared) = -25     So the negative is applied after 5 is squared.

I hate algebra. I failed it in high school.  Angry
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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2008, 09:55:58 AM »

It never made sense to me either. Logically thinking/speaking, Whe you multiplyor square a negative then you are just going deeper in the hole. Think of it this way. I write 5 checks for $5 each and have a 0 balance in my account. Well, I'm now $25 in the hole.
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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2008, 10:29:12 AM »

It never made sense to me either. Logically thinking/speaking, Whe you multiplyor square a negative then you are just going deeper in the hole. Think of it this way. I write 5 checks for $5 each and have a 0 balance in my account. Well, I'm now $25 in the hole.

Good Lord!!  What hole?  Write a check to JoeDirt for his generator. Brows

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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2008, 10:32:46 AM »

Its just funny that now its explained to me. In highschool they always taught us a negative times a negative gives a positive, same with exponents. I mean, when you put -5 squared into a calculator, even that gives you a positive 25.
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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2008, 10:51:50 AM »

Its just funny that now its explained to me. In highschool they always taught us a negative times a negative gives a positive, same with exponents. I mean, when you put -5 squared into a calculator, even that gives you a positive 25.

Not sure what kind of calculator you have, but you may want to buy one that gives you the right answers. Huh

-5 squared in my calculater gives me an answer of -25. Wink
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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2008, 11:08:37 AM »

put the (-5) in parentheses then square it and see waht you get
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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2008, 11:30:37 AM »

Its just funny that now its explained to me. In highschool they always taught us a negative times a negative gives a positive, same with exponents. I mean, when you put -5 squared into a calculator, even that gives you a positive 25.

Not sure what kind of calculator you have, but you may want to buy one that gives you the right answers. Huh

-5 squared in my calculater gives me an answer of -25. Wink

Is that the same calculator you used to charge me for my deck?  Grin No wonder your price was sooo good.


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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2008, 12:04:05 PM »

Is that the same calculator you used to charge me for my deck?  Grin No wonder your price was sooo good.


That'd be the one! Shocked No wonder I didn't make any money on it! Huh Grin Grin Grin

And yes (-5) squared produces 25 on my calculater. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2008, 01:14:59 PM »

Is that the same calculator you used to charge me for my deck?  Grin No wonder your price was sooo good.


That'd be the one! Shocked No wonder I didn't make any money on it! Huh Grin Grin Grin

And yes (-5) squared produces 25 on my calculater. Roll Eyes

You would think that you would have realized something was wrong when you were paying Keeter for the pleasure of building his deck.  Grin
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« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2008, 01:15:08 PM »

It never made sense to me either. Logically thinking/speaking, Whe you multiplyor square a negative then you are just going deeper in the hole. Think of it this way. I write 5 checks for $5 each and have a 0 balance in my account. Well, I'm now $25 in the hole.

Well I know my bank charges $35 for bounced checks.  So wouldn't that leave you $25 in the hole, plus $175 in bounced check fees?  Wink Sad
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« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2008, 01:23:40 PM »

You would think that you would have realized something was wrong when you were paying Keeter for the pleasure of building his deck.  Grin

Yep! You'd a thought! Sad
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« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2008, 02:39:10 PM »

Is that the same calculator you used to charge me for my deck?  Grin No wonder your price was sooo good.


That'd be the one! Shocked No wonder I didn't make any money on it! Huh Grin Grin Grin

And yes (-5) squared produces 25 on my calculater. Roll Eyes

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« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2008, 02:56:17 PM »

I call it friendship dues.   Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley

That's funny, 'cause, I call it "LESSON LEARNED" !!!!! Shocked  Tongue Tongue Wink Grin Grin
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« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2008, 02:57:31 PM »

It never made sense to me either. Logically thinking/speaking, Whe you multiplyor square a negative then you are just going deeper in the hole. Think of it this way. I write 5 checks for $5 each and have a 0 balance in my account. Well, I'm now $25 in the hole.

Well I know my bank charges $35 for bounced checks.  So wouldn't that leave you $25 in the hole, plus $175 in bounced check fees?  Wink Sad

lol.... Yeah, see, Even more in the hole now.
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I call it friendship dues.   Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley

That's funny, 'cause, I call it "LESSON LEARNED" !!!!! Shocked  Tongue Tongue Wink Grin Grin


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« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2008, 03:55:12 PM »

I will make it up you on the next job.  PROMISE Wink  I have a couple of projects in mind.   Bow Bow Bow Thanks again

 Grin Grin Grin Grin How much will that cost me?  Shocked Grin Grin Grin Grin

I was kidding about "LESSON LEARNED"! Turned out to make a good friend! Thanks Keeter! Wink
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« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2008, 03:56:34 PM »

You are just going to have to break it to your professor that he is wrong. -5 squared is positive 25. I'm in Calculus.
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« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2008, 05:02:18 PM »

  (-5) x (-5) = 25

  -5 squared = -25

different but the same, the same but different.
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« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2008, 05:04:52 PM »

Google Speaks.

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« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2008, 06:05:43 PM »



Damn it! My calculator does work!!  Wink Wink Wink Then why am I losing so much money? Sad
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« Reply #21 on: September 17, 2008, 06:18:29 PM »

Yep.

-(5) squared = -25
-5 squared = 25

Parentheses first Wink

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« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2008, 07:10:10 PM »

the same rule applies. the negative outside the parenthesis is considered a number, negative 1.
 
so -1(5 squared) = -1(25)=
  -1    times   25    = -25
  (neg)  times (pos) = (neg)  Lecture
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« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2008, 07:21:11 PM »

do it in reverse, " the square root of -25 = -5"
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« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2008, 09:09:35 PM »

do it in reverse, " the square root of -25 = -5"
Its impossible to take the square root of a negative number. Unless of course you take into account the Unreal numbers and the variable i. Think of it like this, a negative times a negative gives you a positive, and a negative times a positive gives you a negative. But trying to take the square root of -25, -5 x +5, you get two different numbers. Therefore, there is no one number that is the square root of a negative, unless you use 5i, which is a whole other story.
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