Sick isn't it?

[big-daddy]

third: pee-wee-herman. Was arrested for ####ing off in a porn theatre. and number 4 is Mr.Rogers
Sure he seems nice...But whats up with that fricking world of make believe??WARNING TO ALL PARENTS:Keep your kids away from this psychopathic,child molesting perv!!!!!!!!

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[big-daddy]

number 5 is bigb... guest why his screen name is bigb?

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[bigb]

guest why? i don't get it.



hahahahaahahahahaha, that is a funny pic though.

[TRX350_On_The_Rack]

Boy needs a belt

[big-daddy]

big butt  hehehehe  just getting even

[Seabee]

I will never understand why some people will argue over something they are obviously uneducated about.

[bumblemoose]

UP FOR SOMETHING MORALY STRAIGHT CONSIDERS ME A LUNATIC.
IN THE WORDS OF VANSANT"I WOULD RATHER BE HATED FOR WHO I AM ,THAN LOVED FOR WHO I AM NOT!"

What drama, I wish I had a violin.

[gaydirt]

... it appears that some that lack Christian morals also lack better things to do with their time.  But I'll make and intelligent reply to such an obvious attempt an an inflammatory remark.

When someone tries to defend homosexuality, for example, I will simply remind him or her that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you cain73 , however, regarding some of the other laws in Leviticus and Exodus and how to best follow them. To wit:

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Leviticus 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. How should I deal with this?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as stated in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Leviticus 15:19-24). The problem is, how can I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Leviticus 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Canadians, but not Mexicans. Can you clarify?

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

A friend of mine says that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Leviticus 10:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

Leviticus 20:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?



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[gaydirt]

...
Lev 20:13   If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them. ...



So we should also follow these laws form the bible?

   1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

   2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

   3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness (Lev.15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

   4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians?

   5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

   6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this?

   7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

   8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die?

   9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

  10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev.24:10-16) Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

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[big-daddy]

that it I moving to Texas

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[gery350]

i have no problem with homos, but like bigdaddy said push your agenda somewhere else. change your logon crap and talk about atvs. that way when little kids get on the site us straight dads dont have to expalin what "gay"is  to our little boys and girls.. oh and by the way i  am perfect the blood of crist made me perfect.

[big-daddy]

Bigb is ok in my book... I am not Gay or Anti gay, Just protecting my son from different view.

[cain73]

See how some can attempt to twist the words to say what they want and ignore the overall meaning of the book itself?
I did offer advice. My intent was to have an intelligent conversation expressing my views.however, I never have nor will I claim to have all the answers to the Bible. How vain would that be? To think that we could know all that God knows, or to assume that we are entitled to every answer that we might ask. He owes us nothing. He created us, loves us, cares for us, even sent his only Son to die for us. And in return he gets self righteous sinners spouting doubt and discontent? You need to do more than look for a few passages that might loosely be misconstrued by you to allow yourself the unwarranted self reassurance that your lifestyle is OK to our Lord.
I shall indulge you in a small way:
1. Would you worry about the human neighbors born of and engaged in sin or what God wants? Should you smite them? No. Vengance is mine sayeth the Lord.
2. the reference is made as to indentured servants which is a practice that was even performed much later in time. it was not to keep a people down, but to allow them to provide for themselves by serving others. After a certain amount of time they were to go free without debu unless they chose to stay.In this day and age we are under the New Covenant and should act accordingly. Where does it mention indentured servants or slavery in The New Testament?
3. If you can't figure it our on your own, simply practice abstinence. I am sure God would prefer you select that over homosexuality. If you can't remember try using a calander.
4. Why not reference LEV. 25:35 where it says if someone becomes poor that you should help him out without making him pay interest? Did you only want to pull out small portions that might be misleading when viewed alone? Again we are under the New Testament. Maybe you shold look into it. It basicall sets forth the terms for a new set of laws by which we are to live.
5. How about we let God deal with sinners shall we? I don't go to San Diego and burn it to the ground liek Sodom and Gomorah do I? God dealing with sinners is one thing, attempting to be a good Christian and lead sinners to God, redemption and everlasting life is a totally different ordeal.
6. Under the Old Testament we were not to eat shellfish or pork. It's a good thing they have been made clean and ok for us to eat under the New Testament. I don't recall the passage, but someone had recurring dreams in the Bible about animals and he would not kill and eat them. Eventually God asked why he would not partake of what God had supplied for him. If God says it's ok to eat, I'm free to eat it.
You should be more concerned with what you put in your mouth.
7. Lev. 21:23 ...."he must not go near the curtain and so desecrate my sanctuary. I am the Lord, who makes them holy" If God said not to walk down the street unless you do it backwards, you won't see my fact anymore. Again you search for a pasage in the Old Covenant to try to make a point. Back then there were different rules and humans were to obey them. Why are you so worried about minute things when you have yet to accept Jesus to save your very soul. Some fundamental things jin the Bible have remained our duties into the New Covenant some have been changed by Jesus. How can you focus onsomething that no longer applies when you neglect the vary notion of religious responsibilities?
This has become tiresome  so let me lump 8,9, adn 10 together with 7 and ask that you look into the New Testament and accept Jesus in to your life insead of attempting to generate discord with you sarcasm.
I haven't asked how you could possibly find someone of the same gender attractive or how you could possibly live without God in you life or how you would have loved living in Sodom before God had the angels destroy it. why do you spend your time looking for some rinforcement that you are living the way you should be? I have no problem withwhat you or other do inthe privacy of your bed rooms, but I don't have to approve of those same disgusting things either. I will do as I suggested to you and let God judge you. If you don't mind why should I? I know where my eternal soul is goig when I die. Do you know where yours is going? If you're Ok with that then so am I. If however you wish to achieve peace and everlasting life as well as the happiness of serving our Creator, Lord and Savior, then please don't hesitate to ask me. Again I don't claim to know everything, but I know the answer to that and would be happy to point you in the right direction.
If you want detailed info on the history of mankind and the previous Covenant with God, then maybe you should ask Chuck_Norris or someone that has studied the Bible as a scholar, as I have not. I have formally studied psychology, and would be willing to lend a hand in that capacity if you should like help in dealing with some of the issues in your life.
Just like in society at large, the people (majority) here think what you do in your room is your business, but don't want you pushing your preference for homosexuality upon us. So maybe you should take gery350's advice. It's amazing how people can act out against other and when a response is rendered they claim the attack is coming from the respondents. We didn't come to you and sk your sexual preference, simply don't tell us. But don't expect us as the majority in this forum or in society to accept you deviant ways just because you find them satisfying.

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[bigscrub79]

Well said Cain i completely agree. 

[Chuck_Norris]

See how some can attempt to twist the words to say what they want and ignore the overall meaning of the book itself?
I did offer advice. My intent was to have an intelligent conversation expressing my views.however, I never have nor will I claim to have all the answers to the Bible. How vain would that be? To think that we could know all that God knows, or to assume that we are entitled to every answer that we might ask. He owes us nothing. He created us, loves us, cares for us, even sent his only Son to die for us. And in return he gets self righteous sinners spouting doubt and discontent? You need to do more than look for a few passages that might loosely be misconstrued by you to allow yourself the unwarranted self reassurance that your lifestyle is OK to our Lord.
I shall indulge you in a small way:
1. Would you worry about the human neighbors born of and engaged in sin or what God wants? Should you smite them? No. Vengance is mine sayeth the Lord.
2. the reference is made as to indentured servants which is a practice that was even performed much later in time. it was not to keep a people down, but to allow them to provide for themselves by serving others. After a certain amount of time they were to go free without debu unless they chose to stay.In this day and age we are under the New Covenant and should act accordingly. Where does it mention indentured servants or slavery in The New Testament?
3. If you can't figure it our on your own, simply practice abstinence. I am sure God would prefer you select that over homosexuality. If you can't remember try using a calander.
4. Why not reference LEV. 25:35 where it says if someone becomes poor that you should help him out without making him pay interest? Did you only want to pull out small portions that might be misleading when viewed alone? Again we are under the New Testament. Maybe you shold look into it. It basicall sets forth the terms for a new set of laws by which we are to live.
5. How about we let God deal with sinners shall we? I don't go to San Diego and burn it to the ground liek Sodom and Gomorah do I? God dealing with sinners is one thing, attempting to be a good Christian and lead sinners to God, redemption and everlasting life is a totally different ordeal.
6. Under the Old Testament we were not to eat shellfish or pork. It's a good thing they have been made clean and ok for us to eat under the New Testament. I don't recall the passage, but someone had recurring dreams in the Bible about animals and he would not kill and eat them. Eventually God asked why he would not partake of what God had supplied for him. If God says it's ok to eat, I'm free to eat it.
You should be more concerned with what you put in your mouth.
7. Lev. 21:23 ...."he must not go near the curtain and so desecrate my sanctuary. I am the Lord, who makes them holy" If God said not to walk down the street unless you do it backwards, you won't see my fact anymore. Again you search for a pasage in the Old Covenant to try to make a point. Back then there were different rules and humans were to obey them. Why are you so worried about minute things when you have yet to accept Jesus to save your very soul. Some fundamental things jin the Bible have remained our duties into the New Covenant some have been changed by Jesus. How can you focus onsomething that no longer applies when you neglect the vary notion of religious responsibilities?
This has become tiresome  so let me lump 8,9, adn 10 together with 7 and ask that you look into the New Testament and accept Jesus in to your life insead of attempting to generate discord with you sarcasm.
I haven't asked how you could possibly find someone of the same gender attractive or how you could possibly live without God in you life or how you would have loved living in Sodom before God had the angels destroy it. why do you spend your time looking for some rinforcement that you are living the way you should be? I have no problem withwhat you or other do inthe privacy of your bed rooms, but I don't have to approve of those same disgusting things either. I will do as I suggested to you and let God judge you. If you don't mind why should I? I know where my eternal soul is goig when I die. Do you know where yours is going? If you're Ok with that then so am I. If however you wish to achieve peace and everlasting life as well as the happiness of serving our Creator, Lord and Savior, then please don't hesitate to ask me. Again I don't claim to know everything, but I know the answer to that and would be happy to point you in the right direction.
If you want detailed info on the history of mankind and the previous Covenant with God, then maybe you should ask Chuck_Norris or someone that has studied the Bible as a scholar, as I have not. I have formally studied psychology, and would be willing to lend a hand in that capacity if you should like help in dealing with some of the issues in your life.
Just like in society at large, the people (majority) here think what you do in your room is your business, but don't want you pushing your preference for homosexuality upon us. So maybe you should take gery350's advice. It's amazing how people can act out against other and when a response is rendered they claim the attack is coming from the respondents. We didn't come to you and sk your sexual preference, simply don't tell us. But don't expect us as the majority in this forum or in society to accept you deviant ways just because you find them satisfying.

There is  nothing I can add to that. VERY WELL SAID CAIN....you hit just about everythng I could. It would do go good to go into theroy of the Bible unless there is a willing party
to receive HIS word. I am by Far a Bible Scholar but God will only hold me responsible for the knowledge I do have and use according to HIS will. I am also donre with this topic, If you want answers about the bible you need to open it and read. IF YOU WANT TO WALK ON WATER, YOU FIRST HAVE TO GET OUT OF THE BOAT

[LIV2RIDE]

I've asked several other learned people before and they would only say "You just gotta believe". Here"s my question... If Cain was banished for killin Able and that only left Cain and his Mom and Pop.... then how is it that when Cain next visited the scripture he had a Wife and Family?

The Bible does not specifically say who Cain’s wife was.  The only possible answer was that she was his sister or niece or great-niece, etc.  The Bible does not say how old Cain was when he killed Abel (Genesis 4: 8 ).  Since they were both farmers, they were likely both full-grown adults, possibly with families of their own.  Adam and Eve had surely had more children than just Cain and Abel at the time Abel was killed - they definitely had many more children later (Genesis 5:4).  The fact that Cain was scared for his own life after he killed Abel (Genesis 4:14) indicates that there were likely many other children and perhaps even grandchildren or great-grandchildren of Adam and Eve at that time.  Cain's wife (Genesis 4:17) was a daughter or granddaughter of Adam and Eve.

 

Since Adam and Eve were the first (and only) human beings, their children would have no other choice than to intermarry.  God did not forbid inter-family marriage until much later when there was enough people that intermarriage was not necessary (Leviticus 18:6-18).  The reason that incest often results in genetic abnormalities in children is that when two people of similar genetics (i.e. a brother and sister) have children – genetic defects are far more likely to result because both parents had the same defects themselves.  When people from different families have children – it is highly unlikely that both parents will have the same genetic defects.  The human genetic code has become increasingly “polluted” over the centuries as genetic defects are multiplied, amplified, and passed down from generation to generation.  Adam and Eve did not have any genetic defects, so that enabled them and the first few generations of their descendants to have a far greater quality of health than we do now.  Adam and Eve’s children had few, if any, genetic defects.  As a result, it was safe for them to intermarry.

[gtnwood]

Thank you, good answer or at least in depth.

[big-daddy]

Like I said. It started with Adam and Eve.... Not Adam and Steve!

[Chuck_Norris]

[Just wondering Chuck, you quote Revelations a book basically written about the Roman tyranny and depicted the Roman Leaders as Demons, used for a religion, Christianity, that was pretty much the only one against Roman rule because it said everyone was equal including slaves unlike the Roman leaders who believed there God or God's looked only upon them. The question is "Do you think Revelations will happen in our lifetime or are you just being prepared?"

Let’s prove the Bible is true and that we are nearing the end of the last generation before Christ returns.

1.      The Jewish people would be scattered worldwide; yet Israel would become a nation again-ref Isa 66:8; Mic 5:3.  Prophecy fulfilled.  This happened exactly as predicted on May 14, 1948.  That’s 1 out of 1.
   Note: Israel was destroyed in approximately 721 B.C. and Judah about 135 years later.  For the last 2500 years, approximately fourteen different peoples have possessed the land of Israel.  Nevertheless, the Bible showed that the day would come when the nation of Israel would be reborn.
   The rebirth of Israel was a key sign, indicating we had entered a time period called the latter days.  It was the beginning of a countdown leading to the Tribulation and culminating with the Battle of Armageddon and the return of Jesus immediately after.  Along with the fulfillment of this crucial event are over 360 prophecies that would all come together, so we might recognize that the Tribulation is very close at hand.  Twenty nine of them are listed here.
   Yet the Bible foretells that most people would not believe these things, despite the overwhelming evidence of the fulfillment of the signs from God’s Word and the incredible rebirth of Israel happening exactly as predicted.  As people refused to believe the flood was coming in Noah’s time, so people today willingly choose to disregard the signs of the times.

2.      Israel shall be brought forth in one day, at once-ref Isa 66:8.  Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948.  That’s 2 out of 2.
   Note: On Nov. 29, 1947, the General Assembly of the U.N. approved a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine.  On the morning of May 14, 1948 (the last day of the British mandate), a meeting of the People’s Council took place in Israel to decide on the name of the state and to finalize the declaration.  At exactly 4pm, the proclamation ceremony began at the Tel Aviv museum.  The 979 Hebrew words of the Scroll of Independence were read.  All stood, and the scroll was adopted.  The notorious White Paper, issued by the British in 1930 restricting Jewish immigration, was declared null and void.  Members of the People’s Council signed the proclamation.  David Ben-Gurion rapped his gavel, declaring, “The State of Israel is established.  This meeting is ended.”  Israel was brought forth as a nation in one day, at once.  It happened exactly as predicted.  At midnight, the British soldiers and high commissioner would leave.  President Truman was swift in announcing U.S. recognition of Israel.  The following morning, on May 15, Israel was under armed attack by the Egyptians, Syrians, Lebanese, Jordanians, and Iraqis.

3.      The rebirth of Israel would happen after many days.  It would occur a long time in the future after the prophecy was made and at the time the bible calls the latter days-Ezek 38:8.  Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948.  That’s 3 out of 3.
   Note: It is estimated that this prophecy was made around 580 B.C.  Approximately 2500 years later, in 1948, this prophecy was fulfilled. 

4.      Israel would be brought forth (or reborn) “out of the nations.”-Ezek 38:8.  Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948.  That’s 4 out of 4.
   Note: As previously stated, on Nov. 29, 1947, the General Assembly of the “United Nations” approved a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine.  This prophecy was perfectly fulfilled.  Consider, for centuries the land of Israel had been occupied by many nations.  Israel was “brought forth out of the nations”—the children of Israel from many nations were returning to their ancient homeland.

5.      Israel must regain the city of Jerusalem-Joel 2:32; Isa 28:14; Ezek 22:19.  This happened just as predicted in 1967.  That’s 5 out of 5.
   Note: The Bible gives us two methods so we would know we are in the last generation.  One is by Israel’s rebirth.  The other, by a precise line of events that would all come together at one time.  Israel was reborn on May 14th, 1948.  The Bible indicates that from Israel’s rebirth a generation would not pass till all be fulfilled.  A Jewish generation is figured from the age of 20 to 60 (1968).  We are not setting any date, but it seems clear that we are living in that generation now.

6.      The Christian church at the time of the end would be lukewarm, neither cold nor hot for Jesus.  Prophecy fulfilled.  That’s 6 out of 6.
   Note: God will spew them out.  Many church leaders and people that call themselves a Christian and are sure they are saved will not be going to heaven.  The Bible tells us—you have acquired wealth, but your true condition is wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked and you don’t know it-Rev 3:14-22.  This is today’s church.  Most churches preach very little Scripture, but lots of worldly stories.  Many sing a great deal, but put very little emphasis on repentance, obeying, serving, and fearing God, the fruits of the Spirit, Bible prophecy, water baptism by immersion, and studying your Bible faithfully every day.  Many are only entertainment centers that teach what their members want to hear.  People will not endure sound doctrine-2 Tim 4:3.  They turn away from the truth-2 Tim 4:4.  Many church members are so lukewarm or dead, they don’t even bring their Bibles with them to the house of God.  Many ministers think this is the best church age ever, yet the Bible clearly shows it is the worst and most deceived.

       7.       The Bible gives us over 50 descriptions about the people at the time of the end.  Here are some:
         A.

 Some would depart from the faith and go into devil worship-1 Tim 4:1.  This is perfect.  Reportedly in Great Britain alone, there are about 35,000 professing witches.
B.  People would have no conscience-1 Tim 4:1,2.
C.   People would mock about the last days and not believe-2 Pe 3:3; Jude 18.
D.   People would become lovers of themselves-2 Tim 3:1,2.  Remember the TV commercials—“I do it for me”? 
E.  People would be disobeying their parents-2 Tim 3:1,2.
F.   People would be grateful for nothing-2 Tim 3:1,2.
G.   Homosexuality would increase-Lk 17:28,30; ref Gen 19:5; Ro 1:24,26,27. H.  People would be without self-control in sex-2 Tim 3:1,2,6; Rev 9:21, Lk 17:28,30; Jude 7.  Is this not the great sex generation?
I.    People would be untrustworthy, friends would betray friends-2 Tim 3:1-3.
J.


 People would love pleasures more than God-2 Tim 3:1,2,4.  This is true.  Shall we go on a picnic, watch football, or sleep.  Church?—we can go another time.  Our American motto “In God we trust” has become a joke.  Remember, these were all predicted centuries ago as part of the signs that we are at the time of the end.
K.  People would be taking drugs-Rev 9:21.  The Greek word for sorceries, in Rev 9:21, means pharmaceuticals or drugs.  God’s Word is 100% right on every one.  That’s 7 out of 7.  How could you have any doubts at this point?
  Note: Fifty years ago, many people never locked their doors at night.  People could leave their keys in their car.  Merchants could leave their merchandise on the sidewalk without guards, and there was no profanity on television, radio, or in the movies.  One of the biggest problems in public school was gum chewing.  Those days are long gone.
 

8.      There would be weapons that could destroy the world-Mk 13:20; Rev 6:8; Rev 9:18; Zech 14:8,12.  This prophecy is true.  That’s 8 out of 8.
   Note: When in our history would anyone have ever thought this possible?  It is estimated that the combined nuclear arsenals of the USA and Russia (as of the year 2000) could kill every living thing on earth 6 times over.

9.      There would be an increase in earthquakes-Mt 24:2,3,7; Mk 13:8; Lk 21:11.  This prophecy is correct.  That’s 9 out of 9.
   Note: One might think as the earth settled over a period of time that earthquakes would decrease like ripples in the water.  Yet the Bible indicates the opposite is true. In this last generation, research from the U.S. Geological Survey, National Earthquake Information Center reveals that major earthquakes of a magnitude of 6.0 or higher have remained relatively constant during this century.  However, the total number of earthquakes in recent years appear to be rising.  For example, it was reported that in 1986, the total number of earthquakes was 12,718.  In l990, it was 16,612.  In 1994, it was 19,371.  This will culminate during the Battle of Armageddon, AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS.  At that time, there will be an earthquake that will shake the world.  The cities of the nations will fall.  Every island will flee away.

10.    At the time of the end, there would be famines in various places.  Food shortages would still exist in some places-Mt 24:3,4,7; ref Mk 13:8; Lk 21:11.  This prophecy is accurate.  That’s 10 out of 10.
   Note: In this last generation, many are starving in the world.  Poverty and crop failure, due to severe weather, drought, or insect infestation, are often a factor.  Many people are born, live, and die on the streets, in alleyways, or railroad stations in some countries of the world.  Multitudes live in mud houses with grass or palm branches for a roof or have no place to live at all.  Billions have no electricity.  In some nations, good drinking water is almost nonexistent.  Senseless wars have left millions of people with no place to go.  Refugee camps exist in many places where people live under conditions that are almost indescribable.  They are hungry.
   One such person was asked, as I recall, “What would it take for you to consider yourself rich?”  His reply was, “I would consider myself rich, if I could have a roof over my head that did not leak, and if I could know what it is like to go to bed at night with a full stomach.”
   It has been estimated that 60,000,000 people a year die from starvation around the world.  This prophecy is accurate.

11.    The Gospel must be published in all the world-Mk 13:10.  This prophecy is exact.  That’s 11 out of 11.
   Note: In this last generation, to our knowledge, the Gospel is being published (or is about to be published) in the primary language of every nation of the world or “among all nations.”  Yet when this prophecy was made, the possibility of such a thing would have seemed impossible.  There was no printing press or any means to do such a thing.  In addition to this, the Gospel should be available by short-wave radio to listeners anywhere in the world.  We have just reached the point that seemed impossible—11 perfect predictions—yet with God nothing is impossible.

12.    In the latter days when Israel was once again a nation, there would be a great military power to the extreme north of Israel in the land of Magog (which is modern-day Russia)-Ezek 38:2-4,8,15,16.  Incredible.  That’s 14 out of 14.
   Note: How could the Bible have foretold such a thing?  It told the location of this nation, facts about its military, and even the time period it would come to pass.  As was already said in Lk 24:25-O FOOLS, AND SLOW OF HEART TO BELIEVE ALL THAT THE PROPHETS HAVE SPOKEN.  Certainly, at this point, even the biggest skeptic in the world can see that the Bible is true, there is a God, and we are very near the time of the end.

Here are just a few more prophecies briefly given, out of the 365 that exist, regarding this latter day generation.

13.    In the last days, people would be hoarding gold and silver.  True.  It began in the late 1970’s.

14.    There would be a nation to the far east of Israel, to the end of the earth.  This nation would have an army of 200 million.  This is absolutely astounding.  It is estimated by some that the population of the entire world at the time of Christ was only about 200,000,000.  How then could the Bible have ever told the location of a nation and given such a figure as the size of its army nearly 2000 years ago?  China has boasted that they could field an army of this exact figure.

15.    The currency in Israel at the time of the end would be the shekel.  The currency had been the Israeli pound until June 1980, when it was changed to the shekel.  The Bible is flawless.

16.    There would be an economic alliance of the nations of the Old Roman Empire.  It would have a military capability.  This is a perfect description of the European Economic Community (the EEC), which is in the process right now of adopting the one-currency system for many of their member nations.  It is written, IN THE DAYS OF THESE KINGS (these nations, which is now) SHALL THE GOD OF HEAVEN SET UP A KINGDOM-Dan 2:44.

About 29 prophecies in 16 sets have been given, all perfect and all written centuries ago.  The chance of any person writing 29 perfect prophecies 2000 years into the future is not possible.  The Bible is the Word of God, and we have just proved it.  Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.  Repent and get baptized by full immersion.  Read and obey the Gospel.  God loves you.  He is not willing that any should perish.  The Rapture is close.  Most people are not ready and will not be taken.  However, “YOU” cannot say you did not know.  Know and understand, Mt 16:26-WHAT IS A MAN PROFITED, IF HE SHALL GAIN THE WHOLE WORLD, AND LOSE HIS OWN SOUL? OR WHAT SHALL A MAN GIVE IN EXCHANGE FOR HIS SOUL?

[gtnwood]

Unfortunately prophecies are much like statistics, a person can make statistics say whatever they want them to say and the person reading them can/will gleen whatever conclusion they prefer.
Just my 2 sense. I think I'm up to about a buck fifty 2 by now.

[TRX350_On_The_Rack]

[Just wondering Chuck, you quote Revelations a book basically written about the Roman tyranny and depicted the Roman Leaders as Demons, used for a religion, Christianity, that was pretty much the only one against Roman rule because it said everyone was equal including slaves unlike the Roman leaders who believed there God or God's looked only upon them. The question is "Do you think Revelations will happen in our lifetime or are you just being prepared?"

Let’s prove the Bible is true and that we are nearing the end of the last generation before Christ returns.

1.      The Jewish people would be scattered worldwide; yet Israel would become a nation again-ref Isa 66:8; Mic 5:3.  Prophecy fulfilled.  This happened exactly as predicted on May 14, 1948.  That’s 1 out of 1.
   Note: Israel was destroyed in approximately 721 B.C. and Judah about 135 years later.  For the last 2500 years, approximately fourteen different peoples have possessed the land of Israel.  Nevertheless, the Bible showed that the day would come when the nation of Israel would be reborn.
   The rebirth of Israel was a key sign, indicating we had entered a time period called the latter days.  It was the beginning of a countdown leading to the Tribulation and culminating with the Battle of Armageddon and the return of Jesus immediately after.  Along with the fulfillment of this crucial event are over 360 prophecies that would all come together, so we might recognize that the Tribulation is very close at hand.  Twenty nine of them are listed here.
   Yet the Bible foretells that most people would not believe these things, despite the overwhelming evidence of the fulfillment of the signs from God’s Word and the incredible rebirth of Israel happening exactly as predicted.  As people refused to believe the flood was coming in Noah’s time, so people today willingly choose to disregard the signs of the times.

2.      Israel shall be brought forth in one day, at once-ref Isa 66:8.  Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948.  That’s 2 out of 2.
   Note: On Nov. 29, 1947, the General Assembly of the U.N. approved a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine.  On the morning of May 14, 1948 (the last day of the British mandate), a meeting of the People’s Council took place in Israel to decide on the name of the state and to finalize the declaration.  At exactly 4pm, the proclamation ceremony began at the Tel Aviv museum.  The 979 Hebrew words of the Scroll of Independence were read.  All stood, and the scroll was adopted.  The notorious White Paper, issued by the British in 1930 restricting Jewish immigration, was declared null and void.  Members of the People’s Council signed the proclamation.  David Ben-Gurion rapped his gavel, declaring, “The State of Israel is established.  This meeting is ended.”  Israel was brought forth as a nation in one day, at once.  It happened exactly as predicted.  At midnight, the British soldiers and high commissioner would leave.  President Truman was swift in announcing U.S. recognition of Israel.  The following morning, on May 15, Israel was under armed attack by the Egyptians, Syrians, Lebanese, Jordanians, and Iraqis.

3.      The rebirth of Israel would happen after many days.  It would occur a long time in the future after the prophecy was made and at the time the bible calls the latter days-Ezek 38:8.  Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948.  That’s 3 out of 3.
   Note: It is estimated that this prophecy was made around 580 B.C.  Approximately 2500 years later, in 1948, this prophecy was fulfilled. 

4.      Israel would be brought forth (or reborn) “out of the nations.”-Ezek 38:8.  Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948.  That’s 4 out of 4.
   Note: As previously stated, on Nov. 29, 1947, the General Assembly of the “United Nations” approved a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine.  This prophecy was perfectly fulfilled.  Consider, for centuries the land of Israel had been occupied by many nations.  Israel was “brought forth out of the nations”—the children of Israel from many nations were returning to their ancient homeland.

5.      Israel must regain the city of Jerusalem-Joel 2:32; Isa 28:14; Ezek 22:19.  This happened just as predicted in 1967.  That’s 5 out of 5.
   Note: The Bible gives us two methods so we would know we are in the last generation.  One is by Israel’s rebirth.  The other, by a precise line of events that would all come together at one time.  Israel was reborn on May 14th, 1948.  The Bible indicates that from Israel’s rebirth a generation would not pass till all be fulfilled.  A Jewish generation is figured from the age of 20 to 60 (1968).  We are not setting any date, but it seems clear that we are living in that generation now.

6.      The Christian church at the time of the end would be lukewarm, neither cold nor hot for Jesus.  Prophecy fulfilled.  That’s 6 out of 6.
   Note: God will spew them out.  Many church leaders and people that call themselves a Christian and are sure they are saved will not be going to heaven.  The Bible tells us—you have acquired wealth, but your true condition is wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked and you don’t know it-Rev 3:14-22.  This is today’s church.  Most churches preach very little Scripture, but lots of worldly stories.  Many sing a great deal, but put very little emphasis on repentance, obeying, serving, and fearing God, the fruits of the Spirit, Bible prophecy, water baptism by immersion, and studying your Bible faithfully every day.  Many are only entertainment centers that teach what their members want to hear.  People will not endure sound doctrine-2 Tim 4:3.  They turn away from the truth-2 Tim 4:4.  Many church members are so lukewarm or dead, they don’t even bring their Bibles with them to the house of God.  Many ministers think this is the best church age ever, yet the Bible clearly shows it is the worst and most deceived.

       7.       The Bible gives us over 50 descriptions about the people at the time of the end.  Here are some:
         A.

 Some would depart from the faith and go into devil worship-1 Tim 4:1.  This is perfect.  Reportedly in Great Britain alone, there are about 35,000 professing witches.
B.  People would have no conscience-1 Tim 4:1,2.
C.   People would mock about the last days and not believe-2 Pe 3:3; Jude 18.
D.   People would become lovers of themselves-2 Tim 3:1,2.  Remember the TV commercials—“I do it for me”? 
E.  People would be disobeying their parents-2 Tim 3:1,2.
F.   People would be grateful for nothing-2 Tim 3:1,2.
G.   Homosexuality would increase-Lk 17:28,30; ref Gen 19:5; Ro 1:24,26,27. H.  People would be without self-control in sex-2 Tim 3:1,2,6; Rev 9:21, Lk 17:28,30; Jude 7.  Is this not the great sex generation?
I.    People would be untrustworthy, friends would betray friends-2 Tim 3:1-3.
J.


 People would love pleasures more than God-2 Tim 3:1,2,4.  This is true.  Shall we go on a picnic, watch football, or sleep.  Church?—we can go another time.  Our American motto “In God we trust” has become a joke.  Remember, these were all predicted centuries ago as part of the signs that we are at the time of the end.
K.  People would be taking drugs-Rev 9:21.  The Greek word for sorceries, in Rev 9:21, means pharmaceuticals or drugs.  God’s Word is 100% right on every one.  That’s 7 out of 7.  How could you have any doubts at this point?
  Note: Fifty years ago, many people never locked their doors at night.  People could leave their keys in their car.  Merchants could leave their merchandise on the sidewalk without guards, and there was no profanity on television, radio, or in the movies.  One of the biggest problems in public school was gum chewing.  Those days are long gone.
 

8.      There would be weapons that could destroy the world-Mk 13:20; Rev 6:8; Rev 9:18; Zech 14:8,12.  This prophecy is true.  That’s 8 out of 8.
   Note: When in our history would anyone have ever thought this possible?  It is estimated that the combined nuclear arsenals of the USA and Russia (as of the year 2000) could kill every living thing on earth 6 times over.

9.      There would be an increase in earthquakes-Mt 24:2,3,7; Mk 13:8; Lk 21:11.  This prophecy is correct.  That’s 9 out of 9.
   Note: One might think as the earth settled over a period of time that earthquakes would decrease like ripples in the water.  Yet the Bible indicates the opposite is true. In this last generation, research from the U.S. Geological Survey, National Earthquake Information Center reveals that major earthquakes of a magnitude of 6.0 or higher have remained relatively constant during this century.  However, the total number of earthquakes in recent years appear to be rising.  For example, it was reported that in 1986, the total number of earthquakes was 12,718.  In l990, it was 16,612.  In 1994, it was 19,371.  This will culminate during the Battle of Armageddon, AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS.  At that time, there will be an earthquake that will shake the world.  The cities of the nations will fall.  Every island will flee away.

10.    At the time of the end, there would be famines in various places.  Food shortages would still exist in some places-Mt 24:3,4,7; ref Mk 13:8; Lk 21:11.  This prophecy is accurate.  That’s 10 out of 10.
   Note: In this last generation, many are starving in the world.  Poverty and crop failure, due to severe weather, drought, or insect infestation, are often a factor.  Many people are born, live, and die on the streets, in alleyways, or railroad stations in some countries of the world.  Multitudes live in mud houses with grass or palm branches for a roof or have no place to live at all.  Billions have no electricity.  In some nations, good drinking water is almost nonexistent.  Senseless wars have left millions of people with no place to go.  Refugee camps exist in many places where people live under conditions that are almost indescribable.  They are hungry.
   One such person was asked, as I recall, “What would it take for you to consider yourself rich?”  His reply was, “I would consider myself rich, if I could have a roof over my head that did not leak, and if I could know what it is like to go to bed at night with a full stomach.”
   It has been estimated that 60,000,000 people a year die from starvation around the world.  This prophecy is accurate.

11.    The Gospel must be published in all the world-Mk 13:10.  This prophecy is exact.  That’s 11 out of 11.
   Note: In this last generation, to our knowledge, the Gospel is being published (or is about to be published) in the primary language of every nation of the world or “among all nations.”  Yet when this prophecy was made, the possibility of such a thing would have seemed impossible.  There was no printing press or any means to do such a thing.  In addition to this, the Gospel should be available by short-wave radio to listeners anywhere in the world.  We have just reached the point that seemed impossible—11 perfect predictions—yet with God nothing is impossible.

12.    In the latter days when Israel was once again a nation, there would be a great military power to the extreme north of Israel in the land of Magog (which is modern-day Russia)-Ezek 38:2-4,8,15,16.  Incredible.  That’s 14 out of 14.
   Note: How could the Bible have foretold such a thing?  It told the location of this nation, facts about its military, and even the time period it would come to pass.  As was already said in Lk 24:25-O FOOLS, AND SLOW OF HEART TO BELIEVE ALL THAT THE PROPHETS HAVE SPOKEN.  Certainly, at this point, even the biggest skeptic in the world can see that the Bible is true, there is a God, and we are very near the time of the end.

Here are just a few more prophecies briefly given, out of the 365 that exist, regarding this latter day generation.

13.    In the last days, people would be hoarding gold and silver.  True.  It began in the late 1970’s.

14.    There would be a nation to the far east of Israel, to the end of the earth.  This nation would have an army of 200 million.  This is absolutely astounding.  It is estimated by some that the population of the entire world at the time of Christ was only about 200,000,000.  How then could the Bible have ever told the location of a nation and given such a figure as the size of its army nearly 2000 years ago?  China has boasted that they could field an army of this exact figure.

15.    The currency in Israel at the time of the end would be the shekel.  The currency had been the Israeli pound until June 1980, when it was changed to the shekel.  The Bible is flawless.

16.    There would be an economic alliance of the nations of the Old Roman Empire.  It would have a military capability.  This is a perfect description of the European Economic Community (the EEC), which is in the process right now of adopting the one-currency system for many of their member nations.  It is written, IN THE DAYS OF THESE KINGS (these nations, which is now) SHALL THE GOD OF HEAVEN SET UP A KINGDOM-Dan 2:44.

About 29 prophecies in 16 sets have been given, all perfect and all written centuries ago.  The chance of any person writing 29 perfect prophecies 2000 years into the future is not possible.  The Bible is the Word of God, and we have just proved it.  Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.  Repent and get baptized by full immersion.  Read and obey the Gospel.  God loves you.  He is not willing that any should perish.  The Rapture is close.  Most people are not ready and will not be taken.  However, “YOU” cannot say you did not know.  Know and understand, Mt 16:26-WHAT IS A MAN PROFITED, IF HE SHALL GAIN THE WHOLE WORLD, AND LOSE HIS OWN SOUL? OR WHAT SHALL A MAN GIVE IN EXCHANGE FOR HIS SOUL?

I can see now why you feel that way, but I prefer to think that the Earth will be here for future generations. Life is complicated and in my opinion and cannot be simplified by one book. If I saw life like the way you posted I would just lock myself indoors and only leave my house on Sunday for church. It's just too morbid for me. It's like getting the news that you only have 6 months to live from your Doctor. Nostradamus predicted things also, like the great fires in NY and they could be disputed. Maybe your right, maybe not, only God knows, but for now I will just keep looking towards a happier future, retiring in a cabin on a lake, fishing and riding my ATV.  

Chuck, I appreciate you taking the time to respond in an intelligent format. We may differ on some of our views, but you're cool in my book.

[bigb]

so god wants us to starve, then he's gonna destroy the world......right.

[bumblemoose]

Chuck, your reasoning seems flawed. I really don't want to get into the subject because there is no point in arguing, but just looking at the first four points you are refering to the same event.

Then, I looked up the references you sighted and found them ambigous at best.

Example: "1.      The Jewish people would be scattered worldwide; yet Israel would become a nation again Isa 66:8"

ISA 66:8 says "Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? [or] shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children."

This is just the first one on your list compared to the first reference, some have no corillation that I could make out.

Number 6 is just a matter of opinon
"6. The Christian church at the time of the end would be lukewarm, neither cold nor hot for Jesus.  Prophecy fulfilled."

As for the rest, I will just quickly state that anyone that has ever taken a bio class will tell you that the earth has never and will never be geologically stable, homosexuality has been going on since the beginning of mankind and happens in the animal kingdom, there is less famine today than there was 2000 years ago, and people have been hoarding gold and silver for thousands of years.

Personally I need harder proof, but if it makes you happy more power to you.

[Robert4570]

Chuck, your reasoning seems flawed. I really don't want to get into the subject because there is no point in arguing, but just looking at the first four points you are refering to the same event.

Then, I looked up the references you sighted and found them ambigous at best.

Example: "1.      The Jewish people would be scattered worldwide; yet Israel would become a nation again Isa 66:8"

ISA 66:8 says "Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? [or] shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children."

This is just the first one on your list compared to the first reference, some have no corillation that I could make out.

Number 6 is just a matter of opinon
"6. The Christian church at the time of the end would be lukewarm, neither cold nor hot for Jesus.  Prophecy fulfilled."

As for the rest, I will just quickly state that anyone that has ever taken a bio class will tell you that the earth has never and will never be geologically stable, homosexuality has been going on since the beginning of mankind and happens in the animal kingdom, there is less famine today than there was 2000 years ago, and people have been hoarding gold and silver for thousands of years.

Personally I need harder proof, but if it makes you happy more power to you.

Hey bumblemoose ,
Done your homework i see .
Not bad for an athiest.
Preach on brother .