They Can't Spin These Numbers Anymore

[digginfool]

Any death is a tragedy however it appears that the Main Stream Media is not presenting a fair picture.
Instead of distorting the number of deaths they should be heralding the improvements in armor, medical care, weaponry, communications and detection equipment that has decreased the combat deaths of American troops.
Where was the outcry during the Clinton years?
See the facts below.


Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
> Military Losses, 1980 thru 2007
>
>
>
>
> Whatever your politics, however you lean, and
> however you feel about the
> current administration, this report should open
> some eyes. Military losses,
>
> 1980 through 2007.
>
>
> As tragic as the loss of any member of the US Armed
> Forces is, consider
> the following statistics: The annual fatalities of
> military members while
> actively serving in the armed forces from 1980
> through 2006 - by any cause.
>
> 1980 .......... 2,392 (Carter Year)
> 1981 ......... 2,380 (Reagan Year)
> 1984 .......... 1,999 (Reagan Year)
> 1988 .......... 1,819 (Reagan Year)
> 1989 ... ....... 1,636 (George H W Year)
>
> 1990 .......... 1,508 (George H W Year)
> 1991 .......... 1,787 (George H W Year)
> 1992 .......... 1,293 (George H W Year)
> 1993 .......... 1,213 (Clinton Year)
> 1994 .......... 1,075 (Clinton Year)
> 1995 .......... 2,465 (Clinton Year)
> 1996 .......... 2,318 (Clinton Year)
> 1997 ......... 817 (Clinton Year)
> 1998 .......... 2,252 (Clinton Year)
> 1999 .......... 1,984 (Clinton Year)
> 2000 ...........1,983 (Clinton Year)
> 2001 ............. 890(George W Year)
> 2002 .......... 1,007 (George W Year)
> 200 3 .......... 1,410 (George W Year)
> 2004 .......... 1,887 (George W Year)
> 2005 ............. 919 (George W Year)
> 2006.............. 920 (George W Year)
> 2007............. 899 (George W Year)
>
> Clinton years (1993-2000): 14,107 deaths
>
> George W years (2001-2007): 7,932 deaths
>
> If you are surprised when you look at these
> figures, so was I. These
> figures mean that the loss from the two latest
> conflicts in the Middle East are
> LESS than the loss of military personnel during
> Bill Clinton's presidency;
> when America wasn't even involved in a war!
>
> And, I was even more shocked when I read that in
> 1980, during the reign
> of President (Nobel Peace Prize winner) Jimmy
> Carter, there were 2,392 US
> military fatalities! From what? How?
>
>
>
> I think that these figures indicate that many
> members of our Media and our politicians
>
> will pick and choose the information on which they
> report. Of course we all know that >
> they present only those 'facts' which support their
> agenda-driven reporting. But why
>
> do so many of them march in lock-step to twist the
> truth? Where do so many of them get
> their agenda? Obviously there is one shared agenda.
> Could it be from the most powerful
> Democratic family of the decade?
>
> Do you want further proof? Consider the latest
> census of Americans. It
> shows the following FACTS about the distribution of
> American citizens,
> by race:
>
> European descent ..........................69.12%
>
>
> Hispanic.......................................12.5%
> Black ....................
> ........................12.3%
>
> Asian.... ........................................
> 3.7%
>
> Native American............................1.0%
>
>
> Other................ ............................2.6%
>
> Many media lead us to feel the military death ratio
> is off balanced compared to the
>
> distribution by race in America. Here are the
> fatalities by RACE over the past three
>
> years in Iraqi Freedom. Do the comparison yourself.
>
>
> European descent (white) ...........74.31%
>
> Hispanic....................................10.74%
> Black .........................................
> 9.67%
>
> Asian........................................ 1.81%
>
> Native American....................... 1.09%
>
> Other........................................ 0.33%
>
> I was surprised again. Our mainstream media
> continues to s pin these figures
>
> (for political gain). Nothing more. It's all abo ut
> politics .
>
>
> I hope that during the time between now and
> November, intelligent
> Americans can decipher:
>
> the facts from the spin,
>
> the spinners from the leaders,
>
> those who seek even more power from those that
> seek justice,
> and the dividers from the uniters.
>
> Over the next months let's be good listeners and
> see and hear who tries to divide
>
> our nation; and who wants to unite our nation. Who
> wants to control how our money
>
> is spent and who wants our money spent the way we
> would spend it. Who seeks
>
> power and who seeks justice? Who spins the facts
> and who is genuine.
>
> (These statistics are published by Congressional
> Research Service, and
> they may be confirmed by anyone at:
> http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf
>
> "History does not entrust the care of freedom to
> the weak or timid." -
> Dwight D. Eisenhower
>
>
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>

[rdm225]

Which comic book did these figures come from?

[trx#9]

Which comic book did these figures come from?

He's Mr. Right Winger! His sense of reality is off in outer space. Only fools twist the facts.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/deaths.asp

[FishaHallic]

I sure don't mind a good political post but most of these right wingers post half-truths, partial quotes and out right lies to try to prove there points and they want to call themselves the moral compass of this country....give me a break.  Good catch  rdm225  and trx#9

Another example of how low the right wing will go to hold onto power.

Digginfool was also the same guy saying about 6 months ago about how great the economy was doing.  Another problem with these right wingers, they can't see past their nose on their face.

[digginfool]

I stand corrected.  I did not catch the mis-represented numbers when I followed the link nor did I whip out the old trusty calculator.  My bad.  The numbers in the report (not the email), however, is a testament to American military technology that wounded and deaths are not any more than they are, especially when compared to prior conflicts.  When I have time, I'll check out the actual percentages to see if it is as it appears.  I really wasn't paying as much attention to the comparison between GW and Slick Willy as I was about the breakdown between the races.  It does dispel the myth that an inordinate amount of minorities are dying in battle compared to whites.  It actually works out that the numbers fall pretty much in line with the actual makeup of the population, as it should.  So, trx, you can finally mark one up for yourself.

[digginfool]

Fish, I don't know which thread you're talking about.  The only thing I can think of is that about 6 months ago I made comments about the unemployment rate in Florida and how, if things were so bad and there were so many people out of work, why was it I couldn't even get people to answer my help wanted ads, let alone find someone to hire.  In my industry, things continue to go at a feverish pace; there is more work being bid right now than I've seen in many years.  Now, to be fair, that has a lot to do with the cost of money and the fact that companies have flocked to Florida for that very fact (so much work out for bid).  Competition has grown, prices have plummeted and the owners are taking advantage of the situation.  You can't blame them too much; if you can get a dollar's worth of work for fifty cents, let's get as much done as possible.  For those that are doing the work that cheap, they're too stupid to realize all they are doing is prolonging the pain. 

[FishaHallic]

I don't know how to do a search but I believe it was you that was saying the economy was good.  We discussed the stock market, unemployment, the housing crunch and so on.  It might have been in the one about where they were discussing a bailout of homeowners with variable rates but I am not sure.

If it was not you I apologize.

[digginfool]

The thread you are referring to was titled "What I Don't Like About Our Current President..."  Nowhere in there did I state that the economy was going great.  The only comments I made that could even remotely have been construed as that was my comment about not being able to find anybody to hire and a comment about the stock market being in a consolidation phase.  Both were valid at that time.  Times have changed.  At that point, the big story was the housing crises.  The price of fuel was just beginning to become an issue and none of my comments are pertinent in today's context.  Funny, but that's just how time works. 

[Anoriginal]

Doesn't really matter now. Depending on which idiot we elect to office this time (Barak Hussien or McCain) things are likely to get worse.

The two party system needs to be abolished. Now days, common sense has given way to toeing the party line at all cost. Sad but true.

[digginfool]

Doesn't really matter now. Depending on which idiot we elect to office this time (Barak Hussien or McCain) things are likely to get worse.

The two party system needs to be abolished. Now days, common sense has given way to toeing the party line at all cost. Sad but true.

I agree to the extent of toeing an arbitrary line for argumentative sake.  There are Republicans that would cringe at the thought I'm in their party and plenty of Democrats that are willing to lynch me.  For what purpose?  That being said, you can't deny the basic philosophy of each party exists and is played out accordingly when one party or the other controls.  As I've stated in the past, I believe socialization needs to be held in check.  The entitlement mentality must be reigned in.  It's quite magnaminous to want to lift the poor and down-trodden from their depths of despair.  The reality is it doesn't come cheap, it doesn't help and it doesn't create productive members of society; it just makes some people feel all warm and fuzzy inside when they lay their heads down at night.  Of the two choices, at this time in history, we need a centrist and Glama Bama just isn't.  McCain hasn't been popular with either party for years because he does walk the middle ground and has shown a steady position on almost all issues.  McCain has proven experience and is not afraid to state his agenda.  Obama has virtually no experience and has yet to state any type of detailed agenda.  I'm still waiting for Obama to do something other than say he's all for 'Change.'  The only 'Change' I've heard of is his change of position everytime it becomes inconvenient. 

[digginfool]

My point exactly!

[FishaHallic]

You right Diggin about the thread I was talking about and here is what you said
"Quote from: FishaHallic on December 05, 2007, 09:01:09 PM
We have had almost 7yrs of these fantastic tax cuts for the rich,  that should be enough time for these tax cuts to work there way down thru society but they are not.  If these tax cuts are so good for the rich and society as a whole then why is the stock market flat and has been for years?  Would not all this extra money floating around into the little guys hands help the housing market also? 

The economy sucks, and it is a reflection of your beloved president, not the democrats.

Don't even try to tell me about the morals of republicans and GW in particular because I know better.  Most politicians I believe are morally corrupt but the republicans are the ones with the holier than though attitude not the Dem's.


OMG!!  You really don't have a clue, do you?  Have you ever looked at the growth of the stock market over the last 5 years?  Do you realize historical records have been smashed and by many analyst opinions, we are in a period of consolidation, poised to make another run towards new historical highs?  And as far as the housing market goes, I have no pity on anybody who is suffering through the so-called housing crises.  Nobody but the mortgagee signed those papers.  People making $60,000.00 per year have no business trying to purchase half-million dollar homes.  They gambled and lost.  Yeah, it was tempting to get into the thrill of the deal, but unless you were in and out early, and made intelligent decisions, you most likely got burned.  That's the way of the world in an open economy.  It's become so typical in America these days.  People make bone-headed decisions, usually based on greed, and then refuse to accept blame for their predicament.  Can you really look in the mirror and take yourself seriously when you say it's GW's fault that these dickwads bit off more than they can chew and now want to blame everybody else?  Do you really believe that all the people who used their brains should now bail out the greedy bassturds that got caught with their pants down?  Is that what you truly believe?  If so, you're a bigger fool than I ever thought you were and you represent everything that is wrong in this country today.  Nobody accepts responsibility for their actions anymore.  "It's not my fault!  I was taken advantage of!  Somebody's got to do something!  Lower my taxes, lower my interest rate, pay my mortgage!"  Hey, moron, that money has to come from somewhere!  It just doesn't disappear because somebody imposes a moratorium.  And here's something else for you to ponder, dimwit.  IF the economy sucks as bad as you say it does, why the hell is unemployment so low?  Do you know anybody who's trying to hire workers these days?  The only people that don't have jobs are the ones who don't want one in the first place.  I'm offering all time highs in hourly rates just to get people in the door to fill out an application.  Half the time, they don't even show up!  You listen to the Democratic rhetoric and you just automatically assume it's true without doing any research on your own.  The Dow was in the range of 8,300 in December 2002.  It closed today at 13,445.  I would hardly call that flat.  And if you need perspective, the Dow didn't break 2,000 until 1987 and today's closing is 3,000 points higher than the peak of the Internet bubble and the vaunted economy (in your eyes) of Bill Clinton (the Dow went up by 7,000 points during Clinton's term in office but much of that gain was due to the tech bubble and that corrected itself in 1999/2000.  It also had much to do with a Republican dominated legislature that helped foster strong economic growth that continued once George Bush took office and the shock of 9/11 wore off).  The housing market was another bubble just like the tech bubble; it was driven to highs that had no basis and when the truth came out, there was a correction.  It's not politics; it's economics.  The whole thing was driven by greed.  You want to blame somebody, blame the guy down the street that owns a $500,000.00 mortgage on a house that is now worth $275,000.00 and was only worth $190,000.00 four years ago.  Speculators are to blame, not George Bush.  So, if the 'mortgage crises' does cause a major market correction (which I don't believe will happen until after the election, if at all, and is a phenomenon with historical basis), you can blame the greed of your neighbors, not this administration.  As far as the trickle down effect of tax breaks for business goes, it does go into the hands of the little guy.  All that money floating around went into the hands of the little guys in the form of loans they now don't want to repay.  It went into the little guys hands in other ways, as well.  I gave a 10% (yes, 10%!!!) across the board raise to every employee in my company this past year and some of them have received more in the form of performance bonuses and additional raises.  So yes, the money I saved in tax breaks did trickle down to my employees.  Furthermore, through networking with my colleagues, I know we are not alone.  Nearly every company I know gave across the board raises.  Again, your whining about being held down by the establishment is typical.  Nothing is ever enough.  You want to be Daddy Big Bucks?  What the hell were you doing when you were supposed to be applying yourself in school?  When did you ever lay your nuts out on the line by signing the dotted line for millions in loans, putting your entire future in jeopardy, because you had faith in your business plan?  When did you ever even sit down and develop a business plan of any sort?  That, careful planning, execution, sacrifice and some God-given luck is what makes a succesful business and the right to receive breaks from the government so you can pass it down to your employees and/or reinvest in your company so that you can try to make their lives even better.  I've been in business for myself my entire life; I've never worked for somebody else, other than my customers, since I was 20 years old.  I've seen every economy and I've suffered and I've prospered but I never blamed anybody.  I took it like a man when it was bad and I spread it around when it was good and I've lived a prosperous life.  That's the difference between victims and victors, mice and men.  It's pretty clear what column you fall into. "

I stand by my earlier statement about Diggin thinking the economy was good.  The signs have been on the wall for almost 2 years if would just care to read them. 

I would also like to thank someone who will remain "unkown" to you guys for sending me this thread link.
 

[gtnwood]

I dont think you get it, but most Dems dont so your in good company

[trx#9]

Sign say's no long hair hippie people need not to apply.

[digginfool]

I stand by my earlier statement about Diggin thinking the economy was good.  The signs have been on the wall for almost 2 years if would just care to read them. 

I would also like to thank someone who will remain "unkown" to you guys for sending me this thread link.
 

Again, show me where I said the economy was good.  You are taking my comments out of context and they were all valid at the time.  I will go on to expand on it and say that we are currently witnessing another bubble, this time the 'Energy Bubble' and when it corrects, there will be even more wailing and gnashing of teeth by those caught with their pants down.  There will be Congressional investigation into collapsed retirement funds and people losing their homes because they can't cover their hedges.  And all of them will be looking for the government to bail them out.  The biggest drain on the economy right now is the cost of energy and until it corrects (I like Newt's plan), there isn't much to do except sit back and watch the carnage.  You can try to blame anybody you want but the major reason for the run up is in the world's commodity exchanges.  As far as finding the link, it doesn't take a genius; just a little know-how and leg work (or should I say 'mouse' work).  

[trx#9]

It's them oil companies with there own speculators driving up the price. Same problem we had before the great depression (speculators) and until the Gov. steps in nothing going to change. I bet the Dow Jones drop another 1000 this month too.
Capitalism run a Monk!
And now that Bushes term almost finished, he now gives the big 3 oil companies contracts to drill in Iraq. I guess its time for the kick backs. 

[FishaHallic]

I stand by my earlier statement about Diggin thinking the economy was good.  The signs have been on the wall for almost 2 years if would just care to read them. 

I would also like to thank someone who will remain "unkown" to you guys for sending me this thread link.
 

Again, show me where I said the economy was good.  You are taking my comments out of context and they were all valid at the time.  I will go on to expand on it and say that we are currently witnessing another bubble, this time the 'Energy Bubble' and when it corrects, there will be even more wailing and gnashing of teeth by those caught with their pants down.  There will be Congressional investigation into collapsed retirement funds and people losing their homes because they can't cover their hedges.  And all of them will be looking for the government to bail them out.  The biggest drain on the economy right now is the cost of energy and until it corrects (I like Newt's plan), there isn't much to do except sit back and watch the carnage.  You can try to blame anybody you want but the major reason for the run up is in the world's commodity exchanges.  As far as finding the link, it doesn't take a genius; just a little know-how and leg work (or should I say 'mouse' work).  

I admit I am somewhat challenged by computers, sure I can surf the web pretty good but when it comes to searches in forums I fall flat. 

[digginfool]

It's them oil companies with there own speculators driving up the price. Same problem we had before the great depression (speculators) and until the Gov. steps in nothing going to change. I bet the Dow Jones drop another 1000 this month too.
Capitalism run a Monk!
And now that Bushes term almost finished, he now gives the big 3 oil companies contracts to drill in Iraq. I guess its time for the kick backs. 

Call it what you want but the deal is only returning rightful ownership to the companies that invested huge sums of money to develop those fields in the first place.  These companies (Exxon Mobil, Shell, BP, Chevron and others) lost tens of billions of dollars in infrastructure and developmental costs when Saddam Hussien nationalized the oil fields.  Nationalization is where a country's government walks in and basically says 'thanks for all the hard work, this facility (or industry) is now ours.  now get out.'  This is nothing new.  I've said this in several posts in the past.  The United States was never going to stand back and be taken advantage of in that manner.  As long as everybody played nice and continued to sell us the oil we found and developed, our government was willing to look the other way while the local politics played out.  Once that changed, we went took back what we invested so heavily in to begin with.  I suppose you could say that those countries made a deal with the devil (as they like to call us) but nobody twisted their arms to make them either. 

So, it's interesting that you would make the comments you have.  You say 'until the government steps in blah blah blah,' well, guess what; they're stepping in, doing something about the oil supply by issuing these contracts, leaning on Saudi Arabia to increase production, opening up all types of oil drilling in North Dakota, and your still not happy.  You say 'it's time for the kick backs.'  Gee, I wonder what Whitewater was about (or any number of crooked deals Slick Willy was involved in).  I guarantee there will be some palm greasing going on; that's Washington and has always been.  How do you think Presidential Libraries get built?  GW and Cheney certainly didn't invent it.  As far as the stock market goes, be careful what you wish for.  You just might get it.  And finally, it's run amok, not 'a Monk.'  Geez, you really crack me up.   

[trx#9]

It's them oil companies with there own speculators driving up the price. Same problem we had before the great depression (speculators) and until the Gov. steps in nothing going to change. I bet the Dow Jones drop another 1000 this month too.
Capitalism run a Monk!
And now that Bushes term almost finished, he now gives the big 3 oil companies contracts to drill in Iraq. I guess its time for the kick backs. 

Call it what you want but the deal is only returning rightful ownership to the companies that invested huge somes of money to develop those fields in the first place.  These companies (Exxon Mobil, Shell, BP, Chevron and others) lost tens of billions of dollars in infrastructure and developmental costs when Saddam Hussien nationalized the oil fields.  Nationalization is where a country's government walks in and basically says 'thanks for all the hard work, this facility (or industry) is now ours.  now get out.'  This is nothing new.  I've said this in several posts in the past.  The United States was never going to stand back and be taken advantage of in that manner.  As long as everybody played nice and continued to sell us the oil we found and developed, our government was willing to look the other way while the local politics played out.  Once that changed, we went took back what we invested so heavily in to begin with.  I suppose you could say that those countries made a deal with the devil (as they like to call us) but nobody twisted their arms to make them either. 

So, it's interesting that you would make the comments you have.  You say 'until the government steps in blah blah blah,' well, guess what; they're stepping in, doing something about the oil supply by issuing these contracts, leaning on Saudi Arabia to increase production, opening up all types of oil drilling in North Dakota, and your still not happy.  You say 'it's time for the kick backs.'  Gee, I wonder what Whitewater was about (or any number of crooked deals Slick Willy was involved in).  I guarantee there will be some palm greasing going on; that's Washington and has always been.  How do you think Presidential Libraries get built?  GW and Cheney certainly didn't invent it.  As far as the stock market goes, be careful what you wish for.  You just might get it.  And finally, it's run amok, not 'a Monk.'  Geez, you really crack me up.   

Damn, You can sure BS with the best of them. Your so caught up with crooked business you think its alright, I'm sure you run your Construction business like this. Its wrong and you support it, greed is whats taring this country apart. It's now apparent that the world knows that Sandia Arabia the country that finance the murder of thousands of American's. For some reason the Bush adminstation covers this up. Why is it ethical to finance thousands of murders and not be lieable. Can i do it, no can you, i think not. Diggin if your family would have been in one of those towers on 9/11 You would maybe then see the light. On top of thing you agree with Bush to sell arms to the Saudies, I'm sure as you did when Reagan sold them to Iran! Then on another post you say lets charge the Saudies 150 bucks for a barrel of hay, well jackass lets not sell those basturds lazer guided bombs to them for half price!!!!!!!!!
Tell me how many people did whitewater kill? I really don't care about slick willy I'm neither a Dem or a rep so i hold no affiliation with the party's. I do admit he balance the economy much better than Bush. Were in a hostile market now and its only going to get worse. Anyways you crack me up!
 
 

[digginfool]

Damn, You can sure BS with the best of them. Your so caught up with crooked business you think its alright, I'm sure you run your Construction business like this. Its wrong and you support it, greed is whats taring this country apart. It's now apparent that the world knows that Sandia Arabia the country that finance the murder of thousands of American's. For some reason the Bush adminstation covers this up. Why is it ethical to finance thousands of murders and not be lieable. Can i do it, no can you, i think not. Diggin if your family would have been in one of those towers on 9/11 You would maybe then see the light. On top of thing you agree with Bush to sell arms to the Saudies, I'm sure as you did when Reagan sold them to Iran! Then on another post you say lets charge the Saudies 150 bucks for a barrel of hay, well jackass lets not sell those basturds lazer guided bombs to them for half price!!!!!!!!!
Tell me how many people did whitewater kill? I really don't care about slick willy I'm neither a Dem or a rep so i hold no affiliation with the party's. I do admit he balance the economy much better than Bush. Were in a hostile market now and its only going to get worse. 
 
 

Where's the crooked business deal?  What part of it don't you grasp?  The oil infrastructure belonged to American and British companies that spent tens of billions developing those oil fields.  All those assets were stolen from them by Saddam Hussien.  That property is being returned to it's rightful owners.  Would you rather Iran, China or Russia take control of these oil fields that were discovered and developed by mostly American companies using American dollars?  What alternative do you suggest?  I really would like to hear how you would have dealt with 9/11, Saddam Hussien, Iran and Big Oil.  Who knows, you might be smarter than all of us (let me beat you to the punch line - "I'm smarter than you!"   ).  My bet is that you'll only provide us with a good laugh, at best.  The facts are the oil fields are being turned back to the companies that developed them, they will extract the oil that lies within them, the Iraqi people will get the royalties and the companies will finally, after 36 years, get the return on investment they had in those oil fields.  It's business and the business is oil.  Plus, at the end of the day, to the victors go the spoils.  The facts are, no matter who was in office, after 9/11, we were going to the Middle East and it would not have stopped at Afghanistan.  Remember, Democrats have a proven record of aggression (remember Vietnam, Korea and WWII?).  Which brings up a very good point; neither Vietnam nor Korea ever invaded the U.S., a mantra that seems to be repeatedly espoused from the likes of you when trying to rationalize why the U.S. had no right invading Iraq. 

As far as the Saudis go, I'm still waiting for you to provide proof that the Saudi government financed 9/11; something other than that left-wing radical tripe you posted a couple weeks ago.  We sell arms to the Saudis for at least two very good reasons; one, if we don't, someone else will (better to keep the right friends, in this case, the friends with oil) and two, there is a growing menace just a few hundred miles across the Persian Gulf and we need to make sure our friends are capable of defending themselves, which at the same time, defends our own interests in the area (oil).  That's just the way it is.  Unless you wish to become a Third World country, then I suggest you either come up with a better plan or shut your yapper.  So far, you sound like the little girl down the street saying "My boyfriend can beat up your boyfriend."   

[trx#9]

Damn, You can sure BS with the best of them. Your so caught up with crooked business you think its alright, I'm sure you run your Construction business like this. Its wrong and you support it, greed is whats taring this country apart. It's now apparent that the world knows that Sandia Arabia the country that finance the murder of thousands of American's. For some reason the Bush adminstation covers this up. Why is it ethical to finance thousands of murders and not be lieable. Can i do it, no can you, i think not. Diggin if your family would have been in one of those towers on 9/11 You would maybe then see the light. On top of thing you agree with Bush to sell arms to the Saudies, I'm sure as you did when Reagan sold them to Iran! Then on another post you say lets charge the Saudies 150 bucks for a barrel of hay, well jackass lets not sell those basturds lazer guided bombs to them for half price!!!!!!!!!
Tell me how many people did whitewater kill? I really don't care about slick willy I'm neither a Dem or a rep so i hold no affiliation with the party's. I do admit he balance the economy much better than Bush. Were in a hostile market now and its only going to get worse. 
 
 

Where's the crooked business deal?  What part of it don't you grasp?  The oil infrastructure belonged to American and British companies that spent tens of billions developing those oil fields.  All those assets were stolen from them by Saddam Hussien.  That property is being returned to it's rightful owners.  Would you rather Iran, China or Russia take control of these oil fields that were discovered and developed by mostly American companies using American dollars?  What alternative do you suggest?  I really would like to hear how you would have dealt with 9/11, Saddam Hussien, Iran and Big Oil.  Who knows, you might be smarter than all of us (let me beat you to the punch line - "I'm smarter than you!"   ).  My bet is that you'll only provide us with a good laugh, at best.  The facts are the oil fields are being turned back to the companies that developed them, they will extract the oil that lies within them, the Iraqi people will get the royalties and the companies will finally, after 36 years, get the return on investment they had in those oil fields.  It's business and the business is oil.  Plus, at the end of the day, to the victors go the spoils.  The facts are, no matter who was in office, after 9/11, we were going to the Middle East and it would not have stopped at Afghanistan.  Remember, Democrats have a proven record of aggression (remember Vietnam, Korea and WWII?).  Which brings up a very good point; neither Vietnam nor Korea ever invaded the U.S., a mantra that seems to be repeatedly espoused from the likes of you when trying to rationalize why the U.S. had no right invading Iraq. 

As far as the Saudis go, I'm still waiting for you to provide proof that the Saudi government financed 9/11; something other than that left-wing radical tripe you posted a couple weeks ago.  We sell arms to the Saudis for at least two very good reasons; one, if we don't, someone else will (better to keep the right friends, in this case, the friends with oil) and two, there is a growing menace just a few hundred miles across the Persian Gulf and we need to make sure our friends are capable of defending themselves, which at the same time, defends our own interests in the area (oil).  That's just the way it is.  Unless you wish to become a Third World country, then I suggest you either come up with a better plan or shut your yapper.  So far, you sound like the little girl down the street saying "My boyfriend can beat up your boyfriend."   

I'm sure i can beat up your boyfriend anytime.

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So far, you sound like the little girl down the street saying "My boyfriend can beat up your boyfriend."   

I'm sure mi boyfriend can beat up your boyfriend anytime.

Finally coming out of the closet and admitting you're a little girl.  Good for you!!  I'm sure you will finally learn to come to grips with your new found identity.   

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Are these tricks of your trade or your party?

Here's a good lesson 6 years ago, damn he's smart!

Here's Diggins favorite people the saudia's


In your prior post admit that were Iraq to liberate the oil companies "huh". Thank god for the oil companies to get there oil land back, I felt so bad for them.
The one thing you said about China going into Iraq to get the oil was twisted, we would be much better off having them retrieve the oil then our oil companies. They would get it much cheaper than us and sell it a lot cheaper. And on top of things OPEC wouldn't have to supply China anymore.
Please stop typing before you need a shoehorn.

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This is great. I'm going to get some pop corn.Be right back.

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In your prior post admit that were Iraq to liberate the oil companies "huh". Thank god for the oil companies to get there oil land back, I felt so bad for them.
The one thing you said about China going into Iraq to get the oil was twisted, we would be much better off having them retrieve the oil then our oil companies. They would get it much cheaper than us and sell it a lot cheaper. And on top of things OPEC wouldn't have to supply China anymore.
Please stop typing before you need a shoehorn.

Now that's damn funny.  You post the first video as an apparent expose on GW's failure.  Look at the date and listen to it again.  If it was 6 years ago, GW had just taken office and most of the recent affronts the speaker admonishes all occurred during Clinton's watch.  So what's your point?  Sure, he makes sense.  But, obviously, there were 500 some people on Capitol Hill that weren't listening to him because they almost unanimously agreed to go to war against Saddam.  I can't tell who the speaker is but I would like to know his name.

The other video doesn't prove your argument that the Saudi government financed 9/11.  I have no doubt there are individuals in many Middle Eastern countries financing anti-American subversion.  It still doesn't link the government to al-Queada.  Finally, your last rant just proves you're a dolt.  Your comment about China goes beyond foolish.  Other than it's a never ending source of amusement (you make it so easy), I don't really know why I waste my time with you.