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« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2008, 08:17:27 PM » |
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Ive got a call into the guy on the wptv story & we will speak tomorrow. If its $1200 installed Im in and if it works well I would look for a distributorship
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JackL
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« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2008, 08:19:52 PM » |
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If you read he suggests using KOH for the electrolite KOH is potassium hydroxide . Also we have overcome most of the Iron bloom problem using Steam distilled or Rain water You have a choice of 3 different mixes you can use. White distilled vinegar and water Baking soda and distilled water Or KOH if you wish The baking soda will disapate over time where the KOH will not Amp draw is determined via strength of mix to get a 8 to 9 amp cold amp draw In most cases this is 1 to 2 teaspoons of baking soda in 1 gal of water as a starting point! 50/50 vinegar water or 1/2 teaspoon of flakes of KOH If you can catch Rain water that is the best! -- Dang that page reads like spam..haha I would think RO water would be the best. I almost want to try and build something that resembles it out of PVC like he warns about not buyin just to see how much gas it can pump out and try it with some small engines first. You know more about it and have a lathe. Check it out for us will ya!
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« Reply #27 on: May 08, 2008, 08:28:50 PM » |
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If you read he suggests using KOH for the electrolite KOH is potassium hydroxide . Also we have overcome most of the Iron bloom problem using Steam distilled or Rain water You have a choice of 3 different mixes you can use. White distilled vinegar and water Baking soda and distilled water Or KOH if you wish The baking soda will disapate over time where the KOH will not Amp draw is determined via strength of mix to get a 8 to 9 amp cold amp draw In most cases this is 1 to 2 teaspoons of baking soda in 1 gal of water as a starting point! 50/50 vinegar water or 1/2 teaspoon of flakes of KOH If you can catch Rain water that is the best! -- Dang that page reads like spam..haha I would think RO water would be the best. I almost want to try and build something that resembles it out of PVC like he warns about not buyin just to see how much gas it can pump out and try it with some small engines first. You know more about it and have a lathe. Check it out for us will ya! how do you think I know so much about it already.
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Mudneck
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« Reply #28 on: May 08, 2008, 08:34:36 PM » |
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« Reply #29 on: May 08, 2008, 08:50:16 PM » |
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« Reply #30 on: May 08, 2008, 08:50:50 PM » |
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I sure am eager to hear the results of the test to see if there is an rust in the engine from the salt.
I doubt it do to all the moving parts. Unless your car sets for awhile.
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« Reply #31 on: May 08, 2008, 11:20:47 PM » |
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hmmm considering that all the engine blocks in cars and trucks now are aluminum, I think that it would take some time for those to rust..
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« Reply #32 on: May 09, 2008, 10:13:49 AM » |
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i think i would rather spend the cash on the kit to make biodiesel. i have seen some bad reviews on that kit and a few good ones, i doubt it would save enough to justify $1200.
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JackL
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« Reply #33 on: May 09, 2008, 08:00:57 PM » |
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i think i would rather spend the cash on the kit to make biodiesel. i have seen some bad reviews on that kit and a few good ones, i doubt it would save enough to justify $1200.
Where are you going to get the used cooking oil to convert?
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Mudneck
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« Reply #34 on: May 09, 2008, 08:10:07 PM » |
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i think i would rather spend the cash on the kit to make biodiesel. i have seen some bad reviews on that kit and a few good ones, i doubt it would save enough to justify $1200.
Where are you going to get the used cooking oil to convert? True dat,unless you personally know a diner or chinc food place......good luck. That market is pretty tight. The people with the used grease actually have services that PAY them for it & supply them with all the storage containers. Back to the HHO Im in touch with a guy and will have one on my diesel soon one way or another.
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« Reply #35 on: May 09, 2008, 08:36:07 PM » |
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Just a warning HHO does not work well in multi stage injection systems such as the Ford Super duty's engine. you will see almost no difference in milage.
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« Reply #36 on: May 09, 2008, 08:39:46 PM » |
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here is an example taken right from an HHO devise manufacturer web page.
Will Work On fuel injected . Or carbureted.
or Diesel
On the smaller diesels like in the jetta and on reefers we have seen dramatic gains as much as 44%
But you have to have space to install and in some small diesel vehicles space is limited
If you are installing on a Gas fuel injected engine you will need an O2 extender on the front O2 sensors and in some cases what is called an EFIE so the O2 sensor will NOT see the extra oxygen from the HHO generator
There is 2 gas engines that see very little gains from a HHO unit they are the V10 dodge and the Toyotas with the Hi output V8. the reason being is the engine computer defaults to a fixed fuel ratio.
Also the Power Stroke Fords 6.0 and 7.3 see very little gains due to how they inject the diesel fuel in a 2 part process Most all other engines see app 20 to 40% MPG gains
and a noticeable increase in power!
What is happening is you are introducing Hydrogen and Oxygen in to the air stream of you vehicle.
The Hydrogen and Oxygen Not only is adding supplement fuel to your engine. Making it a HYBRID. But the extra oxygen is helping your normal fuel burn more complete
Raising Power. Better Mileage.
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JackL
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« Reply #38 on: May 09, 2008, 09:52:15 PM » |
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$1200 to make my 3/4 ton 4WD Suburban get 30MPG? I am finding all this hard to believe. I wonder why the auto manufacturers aren't using this to achieve the mandated MPG with giant new cars and trucks?
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« Reply #39 on: May 09, 2008, 10:01:56 PM » |
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$1200 to make my 3/4 ton 4WD Suburban get 30MPG? I am finding all this hard to believe. I wonder why the auto manufacturers aren't using this to achieve the mandated MPG with giant new cars and trucks?
Probably because the consumer has to keep up with the water usage and mix the sodium in it. Some people, are just gas and go people. Its gotta be a simple process. This you have to maintain (keeping it full of the water and sodium mixture) or it won't work. I'm not sure what would happen if you let it run out of water also.
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« Reply #40 on: May 11, 2008, 08:10:53 PM » |
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Anyone have any updates on this? I'm really tempted at only 389~!
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Mudneck
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« Reply #41 on: May 11, 2008, 09:14:31 PM » |
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Im working on it
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« Reply #42 on: May 12, 2008, 08:49:52 AM » |
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lets not forget the electrolysis factor on all aluminum parts that salt can cause.
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JackL
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« Reply #43 on: May 12, 2008, 08:57:22 AM » |
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lets not forget the electrolysis factor on all aluminum parts that salt can cause.
That would be confined to the generating canister. So long as H and O2 don't cause corrosion I can't see how this could actually hurt anything.
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« Reply #44 on: May 12, 2008, 09:07:58 AM » |
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id really need to know exactly how this works in far more detail than just "it retunes your computer" becasue i will be completely retuning my ecm myself and i need to understand the effect this water4gas thing would have on my air fuel ratio and stuff like that... seems like a bunch of crap to me, xylol is just methanol with harsh chemicals in it that will literally destroy any kind of rubber gasket or seal that it gets on, trust me i used it as methanol once and it destroyed my methanol injection pump...
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« Reply #46 on: May 12, 2008, 03:31:13 PM » |
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My grandfather has a system like this on his Delta88 that he pulled a travel trailer with and it works.
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« Reply #47 on: May 12, 2008, 03:32:39 PM » |
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I could see how this 1200 dollar system could possibly pay for its self in the long long run.....
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Mudneck
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« Reply #48 on: May 12, 2008, 04:12:48 PM » |
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L@@k at it on e-bay , a lot less costly & seems simple enough to make. I'm building one. I actually seen one this past weekend working. Very impressed. My diesel dually has been getting 15mpg city,03 f-350 6.0 stock. Worse case scenario I can plug the hole back up where the gas goes into & abandon it cheap enough to build. Waste more $$$$ in booby bar
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« Reply #49 on: May 12, 2008, 06:42:56 PM » |
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Let us know how it works!
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