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GregsRancher
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« on: February 26, 2005, 09:50:46 AM »

Hey yall this is not exactly my first oil change but my first one while Iv owned this fourwheeler and it will be the first oil change on a fourwheeler iv done.

Few basic questions...What kind of Oil and filter should I use? Any little things I should know ?

Thanks yall
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« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2005, 12:37:58 PM »

read the manual.. it should recomend what type of oil. look around about fuel filters i dont know what would be the bstt
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« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2005, 02:33:18 PM »

Honda says that you should use honda motorcycle oil because of the transmission. I know people who have had problems with the transmission from using car oil.i also have a friend that has used car oil for 8 years and had no problems at all. you can get a filter at the honda shop. I think for the 3 quarts and filter it is $20.
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« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2005, 02:45:57 PM »

Don't use car oil, Get 4 stroke oil.
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« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2005, 06:04:48 PM »

what the diff between the oils mike
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« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2005, 06:27:12 PM »

Use Honda Oil because they say the clutches are senstitve.
and any honda oil filter, just go to your closet bike shop and they should have it.
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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2005, 07:10:49 PM »

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what the diff between the oils mike


4 stroke oil has an additive to help the tranny run smoother.. Kind of like tranny fluid mixed in the oil.
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« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2005, 08:51:17 PM »

well basically i went in a lot of water and the bike still runs fine but im changing oil just to be safe and i reckon i should do it anyways. any other fluids i should change just to be safe and to get it out of the way. thanks
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« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2005, 04:28:24 AM »

*Viscosity*
Viscosity is a measure of the "flowability" of an oil. More specifically, it is the property of an oil to develop and maintain a certain amount of sheering stress dependent on flow and then to offer continued resistance to flow. Thicker oils generally have a higher viscosity, and thinner oils a lower viscosity. This is the most important property for an engine. An oil with too low a viscosity can shear and loose film strength at high temperatures. An oil with too high a viscosity may not pump to the proper parts at low temperatures and the film may tear at high rpm.
The weights given on oils are arbitrary numbers assigned by the S.A.E. (Society of Automotive Engineers). These numbers correspond to "real" viscosity, as measured by several accepted techniques. These measurements are taken at specific temperatures. Oils that fall into a certain range are designated 5, 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 by the S.A.E. The W means the oil meets specifications for viscosity at various low temperatures depending on weight, and is therefore suitable for Winter use. 5W is tested at -25C, 10W at -20C, 15W at -15C, and 20W at -10C.
*Multi-viscosity*
Multi viscosity oils work like this: Polymers are added to a light base(5W, 10W, 20W), which prevent the oil from thinning as much as it warms up. At cold temperatures the polymers are coiled up and allow the oil to flow as their low numbers indicate. As the oil warms up the polymers begin to unwind into long chains that prevent the oil from thinning as much as it normally would. The result is that at 100 degrees C the oil has thinned only as much as the higher viscosity number indicates. Another way of looking at multi-vis oils is to think of a 20W-50 as a 20 weight oil that will not thin more than a 50 weight would when hot.
*Choosing your oil!*
Multi viscosity oils are one of the great improvements in oils, but they should be chosen wisely. Always use a multi grade with the narrowest span of viscosity that is appropriate for the temperatures you are going to encounter. In the winter base your decision on the lowest temperature you will encounter, in the summer, the highest temperature you expect. The polymers can shear and burn forming deposits that can cause ring sticking and other problems. 10W-40 and 5W-30 require a lot of polymers(synthetics excluded) to achieve that range. This has caused problems in diesel engines, but fewer polymers are better for all engines. The wide viscosity range oils, in general, are more prone to viscosity and thermal breakdown due to the high polymer content. It is the oil that lubricates, not the additives. Oils that can do their job with the fewest additives are the best.
Very few manufacturers recommend 10W-40 any more, and some threaten to void warranties if it is used. It was not included in this article for that reason. 20W-50 is the same 30 point spread, but because it starts with a heavier base it requires less viscosity index improvers (polymers) to do the job. AMSOIL can formulate their 10W-30 and 15W-40 with no viscosity index improvers but uses some in the 10W-40 and 5W-30. Other multigrade synthetics may not use VI improvers either. The full literature available from the oil company should include this information. Follow your manufacturer's recommendations as to which weights are appropriate for your vehicle.
*Viscosity Index*
Viscosity Index is an empirical number indicating the rate of change in viscosity of an oil within a given temperature range. Higher numbers indicate a low change, lower numbers indicate a relatively large change. The higher the number the better. This is one major property of an oil that keeps your bearings happy. These numbers can only be compared within a viscosity range. It is not an indication of how well the oil resists thermal breakdown.
*Flash Point*
Flash point is the temperature at which an oil gives off vapors that can be ignited with a flame held over the oil. The lower the flash point the greater tendancy for the oil to suffer vaporization loss at high temperatures and to burn off on hot cylinder walls and pistons. The flash point can be an indicator of the quality of the base stock used. The higher the flash point the better. 400 F is the minimum to prevent possible high consumption. Flash point is in degrees F.
Pour Point (Fahrenheit)
Pour point is 5 degrees F above the point at which a chilled oil shows no movement at the surface for 5 seconds when inclined. This measurement is especially important for oils used in the winter. A borderline pumping temperature is given by some manufacturers. This is the temperature at which the oil will pump and maintain adequate oil pressure. This was not given by a lot of the manufacturers, but seems to be about 20 degrees F above the pour point. The lower the pour point the better. Pour point is in degrees F. S
sulfated Ash
% sulfated ash is how much solid material is left when the oil is reacted with sulfuric acid and burned. This is used to quantify the amount of metallic antiwear and detergent additives in the oil. Zinc dithiophosphate is a common detergent and antiwear additive that is reflected in this test.
*Zinc*
% zinc is the amount of zinc used as an extreme pressure, anti- wear additive. The zinc is only used when there is actual metal to metal contact in the engine. Hopefully the oil will do its job and this will rarely occur, but if it does, the zinc compounds react with the metal to prevent scuffing and wear. A level of .11% is enough to protect an automobile engine for the extended oil drain interval, under normal use. Those of you with high reving, air cooled motorcycles or ATV's might want to look at the oils with the higher zinc content. More doesn't give you better protection, it gives you longer protection if the rate of metal to metal contact is abnormally high.
The Data: (Note: this data is mostly from 1991 and is for SG rated oils. Some of the data is current, and I am working on collecting the most recent data. I have found over the years that the "better" oils remain the "better" oils. It is still valid as a place to start in your own search. The formulation of oils is constantly being updated and subject to change by the manufacturer at any time. The best thing to do is collect data on the oils you are interested in directly from the oil company.)
All Oils are 20W-50W Brand Visc. Index Flash Pour % of Ash % of Zinc
Amsoil 151 507 -45 N/A N/A
Amsoil Series 2000 155 474 -47 N/A N/A
Castrol GTXHavoline Formula 122 440 -15 .85 .12
Chevron Supreme 140 428 -17 1.0 N/A
Exxon High Performance 119 419 -13 .70 .11
Havoline Formula 3 125 465 -30 1.0 N/A
Kendall GT-1 129 390 -25 1.0 .16
Pennzoil GT 120 460 -10 .9 N/A
Quaker State Perf. 121 440 -20 N/A N/A
Valvoline Synthetic 146 465 -40 1.5 .12  
All Oils are 15W-40W Brand Viscosity Index Flash Pour/deg.(F) *% of Ash % of Zinc*
Amsoil 165 462 -49 N/A N/A
Castrol GTX 134 415 -15 1.3 .14
Exxon XD3 Extra 135 399 -11 .95 .13
Kendall GT-1 135 410 -25 1.0 .16
Quak. State HDX Plus 148 420 -25 1.37 N/A
Valvoline Turbo 140 420 -10 .99 .13
All Oils are 10W-30W Brand Visc. Index Flash Pour/deg.(F) % of Ash % of Zinc
Amsoil 154 520 -60 N/A N/A
Castrol GTX 140 415 -33 .85 .12
Chevron Supreme 150 419 -27 .9 N/A
Exxon Superflo Supreme 133 400 -31 .85 .13
Havoline Formula 3 139 430 -30 1.0 N/A
Mobil 1 160 450 -65 N/A N/A
Quaker State  140 410 -30 .9 N/A
Valvoline Synthetic 140 450 -40 1.4 .12
All of the oils above meet current SG/CD ratings and all vehicle manufacture's warranty requirements in the proper viscosity. All are "good enough", but those with the better numbers are icing on the cake.
The synthetics offer the only truly significant differences, due to their superior high temperature oxidation resistance, high film strength, very low tendancy to form deposits, stable viscosity base, and low temperature flow characteristics. Synthetics are superior lubricants compared to traditional petroleum oils. You will have to decide if their high cost is justifed in your application.synthetics can be run two to three times the mileage of petroleum oils with no problems. They do not react to combustion and combustion by-products to the extent that the dead dinosaur juice does. The longer drain intervals possible help take the bite out of the higher cost of the synthetics. If your ATV or bike is still under warranty you will have to stick to the recommended drain intervals. These are set for petroleum oils and the manufacturers make no official allowance for the use of synthetics. Some oil companies, AMSOIL being an example, offer their own engine warranties. If the oils are used in compliance with the company's recommendations (including extended drain intervals) and a problem is caused by the engine oil, the company will pay for the repairs. Check with the company for specifics of any warranties offered.
Oil additives should not be used. The oil companies have gone to great lengths to develop an additive package that meets the vehicle's requirements. Some of these additives are synergistic, that is the effect of two additives together is greater than the effect of each acting separately. If you add anything to the oil you may upset this balance and prevent the oil from performing to specification.
The numbers above are not, by any means, all there is to determining what makes a top quality oil. The exact base stock used, the type, quality, and quantity of additives used are very important. The given data combined with the manufacturer's claims, your personal experience, and the reputation of the oil among others who use it should help you make an informed choice.
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