Round 2 L cross!

[trx#9]

Eric

Take Hwy 60 to Yeehaw Junction. Go South on 441 @ Yeehaw Junction. When you get to the town of Okeechobee go West on 78. Entrance to the property is about 12 miles. Better be looking for the small sign on the right.....very easy to miss........@ least it was last time. Follow dirt road to the back of property.....don't run over the cows

There are hotels and restaurants in the town of Okeechobee.

#12/T.C.'s dad
Tom

Thanks tom, so 441 faster than going 27.

[TM Motorsports]

Team TM Motorsports will be there.

Jack N.
Giovanni C.
Blake G.
Josh K.
Shelby Y.
Chris J.
Billy L.
Jason S.
Shawn C.
Jammie J.

[RTN]

Eric

Take Hwy 60 to Yeehaw Junction. Go South on 441 @ Yeehaw Junction. When you get to the town of Okeechobee go West on 78. Entrance to the property is about 12 miles. Better be looking for the small sign on the right.....very easy to miss........@ least it was last time. Follow dirt road to the back of property.....don't run over the cows

There are hotels and restaurants in the town of Okeechobee.

#12/T.C.'s dad
Tom

Thanks tom, so 441 faster than going 27.

Yeah........once you get past Bartow there's not much to slow you down

Good luck to all the riders this weekend.

T.C. and his mom will be there cheering you guys on. As for me I'm going to finally get in some hunting while I can!

 

[k-town quad boy #5]

its ben raining over there today so the track is going to be wet and supposed to rain again tomorow. so you wont catch me there paying $30 for a wet track and might come for the race.

[LostCause]

Just finished talking with L-cross.  They have only got 1/4 in of rain and everything looks good.  See everyone in the morning.  Practice starts at 10:00.

[TOY_DOCTOR]

It sounds like a bunch of winers on here, if you can't afford to race then take up kniting or something, $15.00 a day is chump change if you consider how much expense there is in making and maintaining a track not to mention buying the property, one piece of equipment is probably more than most make in a year. I am sure that l-cross as with any other track are not doing it because they have nothing better to do, it is a business and most business are susposed to make money...This is just part of the sport and I am sure everybody on here realizes what they are getting into when they bought a bike and started dumping lots of $$$$$$$ into it to be competive........

I just hope we have a good safe race and that the rain stays away.......

KEN

[racingbroke]

We are here, it's raining lightly but the track is still in good shape.  I think it will be fine - they haven't had any rain here since the FTR race in November.  The rain will help the dust.

[trx#9]

It sounds like a bunch of winers on here, if you can't afford to race then take up kniting or something, $15.00 a day is chump change if you consider how much expense there is in making and maintaining a track not to mention buying the property, one piece of equipment is probably more than most make in a year. I am sure that l-cross as with any other track are not doing it because they have nothing better to do, it is a business and most business are susposed to make money...This is just part of the sport and I am sure everybody on here realizes what they are getting into when they bought a bike and started dumping lots of $$$$$$$ into it to be competive........

I just hope we have a good safe race and that the rain stays away.......

KEN

Good I'll pass this on to the other tracks.

[R450_Chick]

Hmmm...may be some people don't get the basics of business and making a profit....ha ha ha  .............May be if you look at my earlier post.........I can't really break it down anymore.  lol.   The thing is.....whether 50 entries show up this weekend or 170 entries show up, the track will have the same fixed costs!!  Ambulance, flaggers, port-a-potties, trash cans, extra personnel, and concession stand(*cough cough*  track usually doesn't pay for that because it's someone else coming in and making money :-) )      I don't think L-Cross is going to rush in some extra port-a-potties if more then 60 entries show up  HA HA HA.   But who knows, charging that per person plus practice....they may have some on call :-).   If you understand what I'm saying here, it's pretty basic.  Whether the track has 50 entries or over 170 entries, their fixed expenses will be the same!!!!!!!!  Only thing I can see changing is more people=more trash so may be a little more money on trash pick up.  No matter what, it costs the same to get the port-a-potties rotated out, cleaned out, etc.  There will be the same amount of flaggers and an ambulance or paramedic if they're not so cheap they don't pay a medical guy to be out there for us :-) (which is a big No No not to have some type of emergency help there). Again, go ahead call us WHINERS or CHEAP or the more money you have the faster you will be (HA HA HA, it's who gets over the finish line first though the extra $$$ does give you a nice push) or super rich racers that like wasting our money (wealthy people don't squander money)or whatever other name you want to say..............but if you look at the basics of it.....it doesn't make sense for you to argue for the $30 gate fee.  That equipment you speak of, wasn't just purchased for this weekend.  And as for the use of real estate issue.......it is in the middle of nowhere!  They are a business and smart....running a track while sitting on a real estate investment!   All that surround those lands are small towns and sod farms for now.  They are pleasing guests by being gracious and letting us pay to enjoy their land, but it is a business.  But I’m done repeating myself.....if you don't get it...read my earlier posts.  The track will lose money and business by charging that gate fee.  Hope everyone has a safe and fun weekend :-)....and the rain holds off.... 

[PowerStroke 7.3]

well guess what!! all of you who bitched about the gate fee are still there right now huh? lol so 170 riders at 30 dollars is more money than 170 riders at 20 dollars.It dont matter if they charge $40 guess what? everyone will still go if your in a series and doing good your not going on strike and staying home!

Think about the money they are making!  thats not very much money to make that every couple months! plus the cost of everything gas,parts, etc has gone up so  therefore the track owner has to pay more out of his pocket.Maybe  they should just keep the price  the same so they can loose money then just shut the track down?  dont  think anyone wants that so just pay the money and ride! and be happy. There not going to change it because  a few people think they should.

Yo Brandon, Clear out your inbox...

[TOY_DOCTOR]

Well like I said before $30.00 for a 2 day event is nothing, If you were to cheap to show up then you missed some good racing. 

Had a good turn out and no major accidents.  the weather today also turned out pretty good.....

Hope to see everyone at the next round..........KEN

[A.T.P. RACING]

WHAT A DAY !!!!

 Congrats to everyone !!! And congrats to the ATP Racing riders and customers !!!

There was a lot of great racing out their today. If you didnt come, you missed out.

Lets keep up these great turnouts. Heck ya never know, we might actually become a real quad series or somthing, LOL

Mike

[pk250]

i never heard a total number today.  hope it was good it seemed good but that place is spread out we had a great time and as far as the cost that was the cheapest to date for a family of 4 2 adults 2 kids under 12 $70.00 for two days keep up the good work lcross we will be back to practice

[Patricia Pearce]

 

Great race, Great event!! Hope everyone had a good time!! Thank you for letting us host your event! Look forward to many more. Don't forget the FTR Hair scramble
in January for those of you that are interested the dates are January 4th-5th. Racing on both Saturday and Sunday. Hope everyone has a SAFE & HAPPY HOLIDAY!!!

Thanks,
Mark and Patti Pearce

[Mrs.Nightbreed]

i never heard a total number today. 

I don't know about gate entries, but I was told 111 race entries 

[LostCause]

There were 108 entries.

That is just about double from what we did at their last race.

[ltr450qr]

To: Everyone who has read this post, everyone who posted on this post and the Pearce family.

Please watch the attendance #'s for the rest of the series. No one who spends 10-20-100k or even more a year to race or for their kids to race is going to get upset about 10,20 or 100 dollars. It's the principal of the whole feeling like you were taken for a ride. If I was given one opportunity for 1 complaint, it would be making my 4 year old son sign a waiver of his rights which he can't do because HE CAN'T READ!!!!!!!! The judge who ruled the 8 year old that was killed at the other track "should have signed their own rights away because they're old enough to understand" is an idiot, should be removed from the bench and will be overturned on appeal (hopefully). 4,8,17, doesn't matter the age, if you're under 18, you can't waive any rights you have and that's why police can't question a minor suspect, even in a murder investigation w/o a parent's presence. For all of you wishing for a large attendance to prove Brett's point, you may just get what you want w/o getting your wish. Large attendance #'s at other, more competitively priced tracks will prove the point and maybe that's what needs to happen.
Emily has given an economics lesson that no one it seems has paid much attention to. Let me expand on this example:
Supply and demand;
The most basic of all economic laws which govern business, the larger the demand, the smaller the supply, the higher the price. The smaller the demand, the larger the supply, the smaller the price. So which end of the spectrum is the best for a business owner and the economy? Neither, it's the middle. Every business owner, conscious of it or not wants to realize the greatest profit in money, not in a % point. I don't know about you but I've never eaten a % and don't really want to try unless things get really bad. Somewhere in that "happy medium" is the greatest profit. With that being said, it takes some trial and error. Do you think Randy Yoho started this yesterday? He's the example of largest amount of riders @ the lowest price but I'm sure he's confident in the fact that that serves a greater purpose (ad revenue, sponsorships, kids going pro and getting your publicity for facilitating that, etc.,etc., etc.) and I'm positive he's reviewed the pricing @ his track many times over the years and has a strong belief that his plan is best for him. Just one example.

You get what you pay for;
There is another basic principal in economics, maybe not a law but if you look @ the way it works it's simple and effective. If you don't get what you pay for, you're not very willing to come back. This is very much a matter of opinion but relevant. If you do get what you pay for you should be more than willing to return for repeat business or to refer others. If you get way more than what you payed for, you can't wait for the opportunity to repeat the experience w/ that business owner. This principal however is very lopsided as it is emotional and opinion driven ("Treat me great and I'll tell 10 people, maybe 1 of which will listen. Treat me poorly and I'll tell 100 w/ a majority at least not willing to even try it and give the advice blindly to others.") and as a business owner, this is a hard lesson to learn; Try your best and hope you are rewarded, pi$$ a couple of the wrong people off and watch them attack like "Dog the Bounty Hunter" got his. Now he has to take little black kids out Chrismas shopping that just 2 months ago he was calling "little n's". Like I said, "tough lesson to learn".
So what's the point?
The point is, L-Cross may have gotten it wrong. Do you get what you pay for? Sure do, if you take advantage of it. Most didn't though and instead of making everyone who practiced buy a membership, charge everyone an insurance surcharge "due to a spike in recent MX related fatalities and serious injuries". Just a suggestion on how to word it so people are happy. You can still charge the same amount but differently, the way car dealers charge the"lowest price", then beat the rest of your money out of you in the "box" w/ ad fees, dealer fees, prep fees, surcharges, etc.

Our attendance will be weighed, like it or not, by several factors:
#1, How did we act as a group compared to other events that L-Cross puts on.
#2, Did the event turn a profit and is there a potential for a greater profit in the future.
#3, How much work went into planing this event.
#4, If there was a profit, was it worth the effort?
#5, What are the liabilities or potential liabilities for putting on such an event?

These are just a few of the considerations but some of the greatest. Just remember that a promoter can use their emotion to overrule business logic too. It's just as easy for a promoter to say no to a race or series as it is for a person to say "I'm not coming because of...". Although very little consideration should be made by what's said on here or in other forums, the fact remains that it could. My opinion, after consideration of what our experience was and what others have said, was an overall positive. 2 seasons now, 2 races total and no ambulance rides out? Maybe it's because no one wants to ride out on their back down that road to the highway, maybe it's because of the start, maybe it's a safe track? I don't have the answers but we will be back either way.
A few suggestions;
#1, Talk to the Flamingo Motel about a track discount, I don't think anyone would have a problem staying there (and I still can't understand why it's a Motel, not a Hotel?).
#2, Get the grading under control.
#3, Advertise!!! That doesn't mean spend money but on the web site the race was not even listed along w/ the whole month of December being listed as "To be announced" the day before the race, while the event was known months ahead of time. Learn from AmpXtreme. Those people promoted their own track and our event together and we had people from all over the Southeast US there to race.
#4, Don't clean the porta potties for at least an extra week. I went on a turd counting expedition and found very few and I personally think they could go an extra week. You could save a bit of money that way. Good job though, they were the cleanest ones I have ever been in and I've been in a lot.
#5, Stop whistling at people, we're not cattle dogs and dont respond to high pitched coded commands.
Thanks to all who expressed their opinion here or in person in helping me to formulate my own.

John W. Holliday #68 Adult Stock
Hunter Holliday #1 Still racing the "Special Olympics Class" where "everyones a winner" 50cc stock 4-6