changed**** when will someone win the raffle for the rhino at l-cross????

[greenmachine]

I am waiting for the "We are providing a place to ride & have fun, we will shut it down if all this b****ing keeps up, and it will be all of y'alls faults" speech from Lcross.
The whole place is shady IMHO.

Makes me glad I never went to any of their events.

[MudMan]

And still no response from them.....go figure. 

I went to one of their adult events and the owner's son's girlfriend was awarded 1st prize for the wet t-shirt contest.......LOL.    I'm sure they'll do the same with this infamous "raffle"

[kawGIRL]

She was Last Active:  November 14, 2007, 10:14:00 AM 

[Young Gun]

Whats her username?

[kawGIRL]

Patricia Pearce

[outtolunch]

And still no response from them.....go figure. 

I went to one of their adult events and the owner's son's girlfriend was awarded 1st prize for the wet t-shirt contest.......LOL.    I'm sure they'll do the same with this infamous "raffle"

First off, would like to see some pictures of said wet t-shirt contest.

Secondly, I have never been to L-cross, would I go now knowing about the raffle mishap?  Probably not, nor are the 10 other guys/gals that I ride with in our area.  I would like to hear the other side of the story, but as witnessed probably ain't going to happen.  So I wish all those involved in the raffle good luck in recovering your monies.

I saw on their website that they still need to sell 100 golden tickets.

[greenmachine]

To cap this whole thing off, we need to see a pic of the owners daughter after the wet tshirt contest driving her new rhino that she won with her single ticket purchase yesterday....

Kind of strange how the owners would allow their daughter to enter a contest likek that. Was the father there watching, that is just plain f'd up if so. Maybe thats how the roll in "Chobee....

[Mudneck]

Just checked with my sister who works for the State attorneys office.She was informed by one of the States attorneys we need to file a complaint in the County of occurrence. I don't know if it is Glades or Hendry county.Also may have to file a police report to get the ball rolling.Also mentioned filing complaints with the better business bureau.

The one think that the attorney explained to her is basically "The auction is a promise to give whatever is advertised for that auction to a winner at a predetermined time & date" also " If there are raffle tickets with a prize listed on them than that is the "PROMISE of that Raffle,If they decided to change the PRIZE than the old raffle she be null & voided & refunds issued or replacement tickets given for the new raffle.

So from what I gather L-cross should be responsible for the prizes for both raffles.
1st being a Prowler xt 650 & 2006 Arctic cat
2nd being a 2006 660 Rhino

[greenmachine]

Question: on the first tickets it said Prowler xt650 & 2006 arctic cat.


2006 Arctic cat what?  The Prowler is an Arctic Cat. Seems like they had a typo. They may show up with a 2006 arctic cat 90 ,which is a kymco in disguise, and put a Prowler decal on it .....confusing.

[Rick16b]

I don't know if it is Glades or Hendry county.

Glades County

[trey82]

Maybe someone would want to email her the link to this topic....

patriciabpearc@aol.com

[dynodon]

Maybe someone would want to email her the link to this topic....

patriciabpearc@aol.com

A moderator has already stated that she( or someone logged in on her computer) has seen this thread, So I am sure they see whats happening.
 I am REALLY curious to see the outcome of this whole thing, although I did not purchase any of the tickets personally, Those who have bought have been BAM BOOSELED

[561rincon]

maybe locking their name until they notify a mod that they wish to respond to this thread before they can advertise their events. i know if you do people wrong and then try to advertise with news paper they wont for bad PR.??

[Bleedsblue]

If they make any future posts about events I say put a link to this thread in it. Most people would re-think attending an event when you have the owners pulling stuff like this.

[HVYHLR53]

I think everyone here is being a little too hard on them. They obviously didn't know the laws when they decided to have the raffle and I'm sure they didn't deliberately set out to screw anyone. I'm a ticket holder and don't mind waiting until they pull themselves together, because I may be the winner of a new machine.

Even with their raffle screw up, I will still attend there events. There organized, safe and have plenty of security keeping the idiots low key. Mark and Patty aren't hiding from anyone, they are always at the front gate when I roll in Friday night and usually by the stage on Sat night during the concert. A guilty person would be invisible to all.

Not trying to be a smart ass, but If you don't want those tickets and want to cash out, why not offer them for sale to people who don't mind waiting with a chance to win a $10,000 machine for $10, $20 or $30 bucks. (in a different tread of coarse)

Half of you people griping about the tickets probably don't even have tickets.

Lets talk about more productive things, like who is going to bring a lawnmower to the next L-Cross event? I usually bring 4 quads on the trailer, 1 65 gallon water tank and 4 coolers in the bed which leaves no room for the mower. The last adult event we had to use a weedeater, which was a pain in the rear. Any constructive input?

[renmus]

Lets talk about more productive things, like who is going to bring a lawnmower to the next L-Cross event? I usually bring 4 quads on the trailer, 1 65 gallon water tank and 4 coolers in the bed which leaves no room for the mower. The last adult event we had to use a weedeater, which was a pain in the rear. Any constructive input?

I would think if they are offering areas to camp after taking your entry money that they use a bushhog to go over the specified camping area.  Takes very little time and I am sure as legitimate ranchers they own at least one mower and tractor.  Just sayin...

[JackL]

Lets talk about more productive things, like who is going to bring a lawnmower to the next L-Cross event? I usually bring 4 quads on the trailer, 1 65 gallon water tank and 4 coolers in the bed which leaves no room for the mower. The last adult event we had to use a weedeater, which was a pain in the rear. Any constructive input?

I would think if they are offering areas to camp after taking your entry money that they use a bushhog to go over the specified camping area.  Takes very little time and I am sure as legitimate ranchers they own at least one mower and tractor.  Just sayin...

Drunks with push mowers sounds far more entertaining.

[550superquad]

Lets talk about more productive things, like who is going to bring a lawnmower to the next L-Cross event? I usually bring 4 quads on the trailer, 1 65 gallon water tank and 4 coolers in the bed which leaves no room for the mower. The last adult event we had to use a weedeater, which was a pain in the rear. Any constructive input?

I would think if they are offering areas to camp after taking your entry money that they use a bushhog to go over the specified camping area.  Takes very little time and I am sure as legitimate ranchers they own at least one mower and tractor.  Just sayin...

exactly, if you pay to camp the least they can do is mow the damn place personally i bought 5 tickets ( hopefully i still can find them  ) i know i have seen at least 3 tractors on site   STEP UP MARK & PATTI  

[suzukitrash]

They obviously didn't know the laws when they decided to have the raffle and I'm sure they didn't deliberately set out to screw anyone.

This is a business they are running and it is their responsibility to find out the laws before hand, PERIOD!!!!! Seems like several laws have been broken here with nothing done to correct it. They are lucky that nobody has gotten a lawyer or the state involved. I'm guessing that the state will not be too happy about an illegal raffle. Oh and how about the IRS.

[Kaw3604x4 Princess]

Since when has the excuse "I did not know the law" worked for anyone? They know what they are doing or they would have stepped up by now. Their lack of action speaks volumes about their business practices.

[ScooterB]

I think everyone here is being a little too hard on them. They obviously didn't know the laws when they decided to have the raffle and I'm sure they didn't deliberately set out to screw anyone. I'm a ticket holder and don't mind waiting until they pull themselves together, because I may be the winner of a new machine.

Even with their raffle screw up, I will still attend there events. There organized, safe and have plenty of security keeping the idiots low key. Mark and Patty aren't hiding from anyone, they are always at the front gate when I roll in Friday night and usually by the stage on Sat night during the concert. A guilty person would be invisible to all.

Not trying to be a smart ass, but If you don't want those tickets and want to cash out, why not offer them for sale to people who don't mind waiting with a chance to win a $10,000 machine for $10, $20 or $30 bucks. (in a different tread of coarse)

Half of you people griping about the tickets probably don't even have tickets.

Lets talk about more productive things, like who is going to bring a lawnmower to the next L-Cross event? I usually bring 4 quads on the trailer, 1 65 gallon water tank and 4 coolers in the bed which leaves no room for the mower. The last adult event we had to use a weedeater, which was a pain in the rear. Any constructive input?

I tend to agree with the post above. I have attended several events and they are well organized. As for the raffle I bought 2 tickets and still have them.

I would like to more large land owners provide a safe organized riding area.


my .02 

[Mudneck]

But come on guys.....going on 2 years this Febraury.....How much longer lets be real here. Oh its OK whenever they get around to it is fine with me.....

Its a cool place to go & ride & have fun,and I AGREE......But bloody hell 2 years for a raffel.......


How you like to buy tickets to go to an adult event & they say we havent sold enough tickets maybe in a couple months we will open up & let you in. Only if we sell enough though?

[Da_Mtg_Man]

My opinion is that they never even planned on having a raffle, They simply had everyone pay for half (or more) of their Rhino....

[Mudneck]

Not trying to be a smart ass, but If you don't want those tickets and want to cash out, why not offer them for sale to people who don't mind waiting with a chance to win a $10,000 machine for $10, $20 or $30 bucks. (in a different tread of coarse)
 Any constructive input?

http://www.atvflorida.com/forum/index.php/topic,29347.msg354067.html#msg354067     

[Anoriginal]

I've kept my mouth shut on this one for a while now. However, I've received numerous PM's and E mails from several different people about this issue asking for my professional and personal opinion.

I'll start by saying that the L-Cross representatives need to respond to this thread completely and quickly. In this case, silence is not golden.

Florida's laws on raffles are extremely clear and governed by Chapter 849 Florida Statutes (2007). I do not know the entire story behind the raffle or whether or not L-Cross met all of the qualifications necessary to conduct the same. So, it's impossible for me to determine the legality of the situation. However, assuming all the criteria was met, L-Cross would be clean. If not...well that's a different story.

Again, a reply from L-Cross would likely go a long way to resolving any concern. Two years seems like a long time to me. Had I purchased a lot of tickets, I would be upset and shaking the tress for results.