changed**** when will someone win the raffle for the rhino at l-cross????

[bbf]

someone has already done that and no responce

[Mudneck]

I just sent her a pm and asked. We shall wait and see.

[dynodon]

WOW, no response from Lcross folks yet huh???

When we held a " worst kitchen" in Citrus county for our cabinet design center, we had to have a specific date that a winner would announced, and had to publish it in the chronicle!!!
 Maybe its just an "oversite" but I doubt it, especially if its been over 1 1/2 years...... Thats BAD business.....
 Hopefully all who purchesed tickets will get some restitution for their loss.

[Da_Mtg_Man]

someone PM her the link to this thread

she might not come on here except to post upcoming events and then leave

She's seen the thread...... Just hasn't responded...

[dynodon]

HMMMMMM, late in the afternoon on saturday and still NO response yet !?!?!?!?
 That kinda makes ya go HUMMMMMM

[CABLEGUY1]

For them to not even respond speaks volumes. When and if they respond is meaningless at this point because their taking so long. It suggests their getting their story straight. Or lie straight depending on how you look at it.I would not be surprised if they announce that it has been won by some mysterious person " friend of the family" just to make it look like it was legit. They got what they wanted. YOUR MONEY AND PUBLICITY.

[Busta Nutt]

You guys should quit picking on Mark and Patty.

[greenmachine]

You guys should quit picking on Mark and Patty.

They take good peoples money & use this site to attract people for free & make tons of money off of it & we should leave them alone. They are clearly dishonest in their practices. They will have a "winner" soon I am sure just to save face. I think the damage is done & we may never hear from them on this forum again, which will speak volumes like it already does from their lack of response to their obvious scam which never followed the laws governing "raffles" anyways. They deserve whatever they get IMHO.
Just go to C&R & call it a lesson learned.

[SWAMP_DONKEY]

You guys should quit picking on Mark and Patty.

They take good peoples money & use this site to attract people for free & make tons of money off of it & we should leave them alone. They are clearly dishonest in their practices. They will have a "winner" soon I am sure just to save face. I think the damage is done & we may never hear from them on this forum again, which will speak volumes like it already does from their lack of response to their obvious scam which never followed the laws governing "raffles" anyways. They deserve whatever they get IMHO.
Just go to C&R & call it a lesson learned.

 Yea they will have a winner....someone they know and will never get the rhino..SCAM!!! They make 100's of thousand a year off us, no need to cheat the folks that made them rich....Very Dishonest.

[AmericanRobster]

People are so dishonest latley. That really sucks to all of the people who bought raffle tickets for this thing.

[yfz122]

I am pretty sure this is illegal.

[Mudneck]

Who holds tickets & what are your numbers?

I hold 110-118

I own 2 rhinos & I know you can get them retail out the door for just under 10K.I am sure this Rhino is a bare bones edition. So figure dealer cost maybe $7500?

How many tickets @ $10 have been sold?

Who owns the highest # ticket?

How many more will need to be sold?

Where is a specified account for the raffle located who holds it? I am sure commingling funds for a specific raffle should not be allowed to be put in a general account.

Why is there not a end deadline date for the raffle?

Just to let everyone know I have held these since February 2006 Where the prize was supposed to be a Prowler XT 650 & 2006 Arctic cat as printed on my ticket.I'm sure it was probably 1 or the other but that is how it is printed so I assume that both should be the prize. This is the only ticket I could scan since they were in my truck visor they are so sun faded you cant hardly make them out anymore.

How did it go from these 2 machines to 1 Rhino?

I am asking for my money back in open forum now.

Enough is enough,I think its time to contact the authorities.Anyone have an idea where to start? Perhaps a class action for the ticket holders?

Is there any lawyers on this site who could comment?

Again L-cross is a great place to go and it has been greatly improved and I'm sure will continue to do so. BUT!!!!!! This is a business I have paid for a raffle which has not taken place any other business on this forum would be criticized.There is a LOT of lookers & lurkers.Speak up the L-cross folks need to know your opinion on this matter.It is not a personal attack it is the truth & we are entitled for a truthful answer.If only out of RESPECT for the purchasers of the tickets and all who go to support their business/livelihood

[yfz122]

I only have one ticket. I didn't know about the other machines. I don't remember any disclosures or fine print. They can't just switch the prizes.

[dynodon]

To me it reads that BOTH machines are to be awarded, By the & sign between the two listed.

Also, I am assuming that the " Florida power sports" is a dealership Correct ?? If so I would contact them as well to see what part they have in this being their name is on the tickets. They might also be able to say if the machines have been purchased, or who the account for the raffle money is held at ( what banking institution), That would then give you some place to start

[yfz122]

I bought my ticket at the rally (the only rally that ever cost me $20 to attend) and it does not even look like that. I am now wondering if I bought a counterfeit. When I find it a picture will be posted.

[Da_Mtg_Man]

It is being looked into......


I'm not a lawyer but I did stay at a Holiday Inn express last night.....

Seriously though, I've heard that someone (a lawyer) is looking into it.

[kawGIRL]

We have ticket number 106, and it looks like Bushwacker's..... maybe when they changed from the Prowler to the Rhino they changed the tickets too?  That should not be legal either.....when you by a raffle ticket for a specific item they can't change their minds on the what to raffle off   Granted I would prefer a Rhino over the Prowler but that's NOT the POINT! 
I do like the looks of that Green Prowler...just saying I already have a Rhino

[SWAMP_DONKEY]

I have held Several Raffles over the years and they have to be registered with the state and the winner must also be announced. ALL raffles MUST have a start and end date, that ticket is illigal with the win date to be announced. As I said before if you dont sell enough to cover the expence you still have to raffle the item.

[Mudneck]

Here is statute read the bottom that is underlined and then come back up and read section 3-d that is underlined.
(849.0935 Charitable, nonprofit organizations; drawings by chance; required disclosures; unlawful acts and practices; penalties.--

(1) As used in this section, the term:

(a) "Drawing by chance" or "drawing" means an enterprise in which, from the entries submitted by the public to the organization conducting the drawing, one or more entries are selected by chance to win a prize. The term "drawing" does not include those enterprises, commonly known as "matching," "instant winner," or "preselected sweepstakes," which involve the distribution of winning numbers, previously designated as such, to the public.

(b) "Organization" means an organization which is exempt from federal income taxation pursuant to 26 U.S.C. s. 501(c)(3), (4), (7), (, (10), or (19), and which has a current determination letter from the Internal Revenue Service, and its bona fide members or officers.

(2) The provisions of s. 849.09 shall not be construed to prohibit an organization qualified under 26 U.S.C. s. 501(c)(3), (4), (7), (, (10), or (19) from conducting drawings by chance pursuant to the authority granted by this section, provided the organization has complied with all applicable provisions of chapter 496.

(3) All brochures, advertisements, notices, tickets, or entry blanks used in connection with a drawing by chance shall conspicuously disclose:

(a) The rules governing the conduct and operation of the drawing.

(b) The full name of the organization and its principal place of business.

(c) The source of the funds used to award cash prizes or to purchase prizes.

(d) The date, hour, and place where the winner will be chosen and the prizes will be awarded, unless the brochures, advertisements, notices, tickets, or entry blanks are not offered to the public more than 3 days prior to the drawing. (e) That no purchase or contribution is necessary.
(4) It is unlawful for any organization which, pursuant to the authority granted by this section, promotes, operates, or conducts a drawing by chance:

(a) To design, engage in, promote, or conduct any drawing in which the winner is predetermined by means of matching, instant win, or preselected sweepstakes or otherwise or in which the selection of the winners is in any way rigged;

(b) To require an entry fee, donation, substantial consideration, payment, proof of purchase, or contribution as a condition of entering the drawing or of being selected to win a prize. However, this provision shall not prohibit an organization from suggesting a minimum donation or from including a statement of such suggested minimum donation on any printed material utilized in connection with the fundraising event or drawing;

(c) To condition the drawing on a minimum number of tickets having been disbursed to contributors or on a minimum amount of contributions having been received;

(d) To arbitrarily remove, disqualify, disallow, or reject any entry or to discriminate in any manner between entrants who gave contributions to the organization and those who did not give such contributions;

(e) To fail to promptly notify, at the address set forth on the entry blank, any person, whose entry is selected to win, of the fact that he or she won;

(f) To fail to award all prizes offered;

(g) To print, publish, or circulate literature or advertising material used in connection with the drawing which is false, deceptive, or misleading;

(h) To cancel a drawing; or

(i) To condition the acquisition or giveaway of any prize upon the receipt of voluntary donations or contributions.

(5) The organization conducting the drawing may limit the number of tickets distributed to each drawing entrant.

(6) A violation of this section is a deceptive and unfair trade practice.

(7) Any organization which engages in any act or practice in violation of this section is guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. However, any organization or other person who sells or offers for sale in this state a ticket or entry blank for a raffle or other drawing by chance, without complying with the requirements of paragraph (3)(d), is guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable by fine only as provided in s. 775.083.

( This section does not apply to the state lottery operated pursuant to chapter 24.

[greenmachine]

If everyone who bought a ticket takes them to small claims court to get their money back, they would get it back. The point here is, I think, they would have to pay all court costs when they are proven to be dishonest & that would cost them a couple hundred dollars for every suit.

ex: 150 ticket buyers x $250 court fees = $37,500.00

LCROSS better step the hizell up pretty soon.

At this point even if they held the raffle at the next "event", it would be questionable. They would need to have a neutral party involved to have any creedence. They probably have a bucket with a few hundred of the raffle tickets in it & one of the owners or their employees will pull out a predetermined number of a close friend who wont actually receive the UTV(notice I didnt say rhino or prowler) It might be one of those chinese imports with a custom paint job & rhino graphics installed b4 its all over.
I never liked the sound of this place from day 1 when peoples atvs were getting stolen overnight at their events & their "security" missed it.
This is a place full of underage drinking & hellraising as well as, I am sure decent people from all over actually having fun.

Oh well, looks like they only have to pay a fine, which is most likely been paid & cost a lot less than they made off of you guys.

[Joedirt]

Yes they changed the tickets to show the Rhino as the single Prize. I think it is Refund time!!

[Mudneck]

The fine being a misdemeanor would be a joke,however the amount of monies they have collected puts them well over I think it is grandtheft,OVER $2500?

I want a refund aND TO BE DONE WITH THIS NOW!

[KAW3604x4]

I have a ticket and as soon as I can find it, I'll join the lawsuit!! 

[TRX450R_Racer]

Here is a copy of mine that I bought at the Rally. I'm ready to join in also. I cut the ticket # off. Also can somone explain the legal stuff in plain english?

[raca65]

Just a Thought has anybody ever considered the I.R.S. lots of unaccountable cash being collected out there