Re: Riding at Underhills

[gofastmatt2]

This is exactly why people don't let us use their land, because of jerks like these. We need to get control of people like these and let them know they are messing it up for all of us.

[tvman]

This was a very disturbing thread to read..

I hope that Mr. Underhill bans these people from riding there.

Littering is not tolerable, but destroying personal property, burning someones camper...and vandalism is just not acceptable... These people need to have their a**es beaten.

If the people in PSL find out that this is how their property will be abused then you can surely understand that all of JD's  efforts to find a new place to ride will disappear..

Maybe some friendly warnings from us ATV Florida people will help enforce some of these rules..

tvman    

[jimofwestpalm]

Ass kicking is not the answer,,Also directions are from West Palm is west on SR710. Just before Okeechobee county line is a road that goes east. i think its 714 or 716. Go east about 5 miles. On the left hand side is his property. He has about 5 poles up with flags on them. Just pull in and stop at the office.

Heres the answer,, we need to just go out there and help. If you ride there pick up some other trash besides your own. Report to Mr. Underhill what you see. Lets try to make it better for everybody.

[jimofwestpalm]

I want to clarify the fact that the trailer itself was not burned. It was the contents that was burned. I'm still going to take my son out there. Its a fun place to be. With time everything will work out. With all of us discussing this and aware of whats going on, its bound to change.

[tvman]

Did I actually read here that somebody thinks underage drinking is "acceptable"...??

The response I read is "yeah, that's what they do out there, but a t least they're off the streets".

What's this world coming to?? I'm a single Dad with a 12 year-old son and I would never approve of serving him alcohol. The reason these people up there are out of control and making noise all night is because they are too young to be drinking.. They have no sense of being responsible...

If the "Man" gets wind of this Mr. Underhill will have more problems than he already does up there...He could be the next Michael Jackson case...

tvman  

[jimofwestpalm]

we have been using the same argument for not being able to drink but yet die for our country since Vietnam. Its nothing new. Actually in 73 they changed the drinking laws to 18 and then after several years changed it back. Keep in mind that not everyone gets fake ID's and starts drinking at an early age. Many people don't. Besides thats not even the point. Underhills is for everyone. There is not a problem with anyone drinking and or getting drunk until infinges upon the rights of others. To argue if you don't like it don't go is not the answer. The issue at hand is one of safety and keeping the place clean. I don't think that you can really argue the point that a drunk 18 year old driving fast through the mud next to campsites at 1 in the morning is not a safety issue. All I'm saying is be safe, be clean, respect the rights and property of others. Personally, I think that just falls under being a decent person

[PBSO_ATV_Deputy_4]

If some of you are wondering why riding areas are being lost, just read some of the comments made on this thread. Not only does the "man" monitor this site, environmentalists, conservationists and the general public also monitor it. Supporting unlawful activities such as underage drinking, fighting, and destruction of property/woodlands portrays a VERY NEGATIVE image of off-roading. The owner of such property who charges admission and knowingly allows underage drinking is subject to arrest, along with a number of fines. Unfortunately, this is why Palm Beach County has an aggressive approach concerning ATVs/4x4s and formed a specialized off-road unit for enforcement.

[PBSO_ATV_Deputy_4]

Common sense needs to be used when dicussing such things on a public forum. Some things are better left unsaid......This website can be a valuable tool for organizing efforts to secure properties for family oriented off-roading. Don't let it be any less than that.

[PBSO_ATV_Deputy_4]

 The public and property owners here demanded enforcement. We have many out-of-state property owners request no trespassing be enforced on their properties, due to damage and liability. We know 90% of the rider's are family oriented, law abiding and want the best for the sport. It's the other 10% I deal with on a daily basis.

[YFZ450AndyH]

PBSO, in reference to the fake ID's, its also a nice fat felony to possess one.  

In regards to the 90% good riders, and the 10% that vandalize, litter, etc.- thats a tough situation.  The 10 percenters are the kooks that would try to start problems if you called them out on what they are doing.  A fistfight looks worse than litter.  

As far as underage drinking mixed with ANY type of vehicle usage, I am strictly opposed.  The media would have a field day with the story of a drunk underage ATV operator killing or hurting himself or another.  

[PBSO_ATV_Deputy_4]

Furthermore, the law enforcement community has no desire to restrict riding areas that are legal. Having more areas to ride in will keep riders safely off public roadways. I applaud Mr. Underhill and any other property owner who provides areas for off-roading. We only do enforcement on private properties at the owner's request. We are obligated by law to enforce Natural Areas and traffic laws.

[PBSO_ATV_Deputy_4]

Your Right AndyH....I just hope the right people get together and "fix" things at Underhills before it's to late. Not only does the loss of a riding area effect the sport, as you know, it also effects the community and those doing the enforcement. Trespassing, roadway riding and traffic crashes increase as areas to ride decrease.

[tvman]

Hey there PBSO and others:

Thanks for taking some time to read this thread. I somehow knew you would get to it and be appalled.

I read the responses to my post and was somewhat shocked that the focus was only on the issue of underage drinking...The issue was that of safety and respect for someone's private property and the "sober" people that ride there with kids and families. We are entitled to be there as much as anyone else...

AS for the people on this thread that support this activity:
To infer that my 12 year-old son will be drinking very soon is ridiculous. It's not the point, and let me assure you that I would not have him riding ATV"s drunk at Underhills late at night at any time soon

If your choice is to drink and drive..go for it, but when it infringes on the rights of others to the point that it endangers their lives...or kids lives, I have a major problem with that...and so will the overwheming majority of the ATV-riding community and law enforcement, and Mr.Underhill for that matter..

I appreciate your opinion and point of view, but cannot respect or support it. I hope you're not one of the 10%.

tvman (by the way I represent the media)

[LIV2RIDE]

Common sense needs to be used when dicussing such things on a public forum. Some things are better left unsaid......

[PBSO_ATV_Deputy_4]

Well said tvman.

[bftclub]

atv deputy,,do you ride on weekends for sport or just for your job?if so,,where do you ride??

[PBSO_ATV_Deputy_4]

Like most of you, I grew up riding. I went from a go-cart at 10yrs old to racing motocross in high school. I sometimes ride a Yamaha TTR 250 in my spare time when I have any. I usually spend 30-40hrs a week patrolling on my work ATV, which is Polaris Sportsman 500. No, it's not stock......I sold my ATV, because riding one all week for work is more than enough ride time for me. Unfortunately, it's not "fun" riding when we patrol. We ride very conservatively, as we are in the public eye and set an example.

[inked4life87]

just to set the record straight ed dose not charge people to ride on his land he is asking for donations,there is a difference.