"Confederate Heritage" license plate?

[Joedirt]

You mean it was not made up by Novelty T-shirt Company?

[Loven It]

This is one of the most entertaining threads in a long time.

Hey, anyone know the real story behind the flag? (Hint....It certainly isn't called the "rebel" flag)

Another hint......The flag everyone is referring to is not the actual confederate flag nor the "stars and bars".

Its the Battle Flag isn't it???

[Anoriginal]

The orginal flag flown by confederate forces was the "Bonnie Blue". Essentially, this flag was blue with a single star in the center said to reference the removal of any one state's star from the union.  (The Bonnie Blue originates from the wars of 1810 when Floridian Dragoons took over Baton Rouge and imprisoned it's governer...but that another story).

The actual confederate flag was the "stars and bars" which had three stripes red-white-red and a blue square at the top mast with originally seven stars and eventually 13 representing the 11 states of the confederacy plus Missouri and Kentucky. (Missouri and Kentucky attempted to succeed but never made it.)

The flag everyone associates with the south is the original battle flag of the army of Virginia. This flag contains the cross of St. Andrew (the apostle who was martyred by being crucified on an X-shaped cross), and is commonly called the "Southern Cross." Much of the population in the South was of Scottish and Scotch-Irish decent. St. Andrew was/is the patron saint of Scotland. Robert E. Lee fought under this flag.

In the end, the flag of the confederacy included the southern cross at the top mast 1/4 with a white back ground and a verticle red stripe a the open end of the flag. Think shrinking the southern cross to the area that is the stars in the american flag, then making the striped area all white with a verticle red stripe at the very edge.

[gery350]

southern cross

hey thats a crosby steeles and nash song.

[Loven It]

Here's a bonus question... Anyone know what the civil war was about? (Hint......slavery was only a small part.)

didn't it have something to do with cotton plantations and slavery?

Slavery was actually what caused the civil war to start on the particular night it started. There was discussion about wether or not slavery should be permitted in the western territories..

[Inyourdraft2000]

I was hoping someone would come through w/ some real educatinal value concerning the flag.
Thanks.....
As for the original question of the post, for the right to be able to purchase this License plate one should be required to pass a 15 or 20 question exam on the history of the flag. This would get rid of the uneducated following that generally prevails when trying to keep up w/ the new trends.......

[Anoriginal]

Here's a bonus question... Anyone know what the civil war was about? (Hint......slavery was only a small part.)

didn't it have something to do with cotton?

In a round about way....yes. The population in the north was growing at an exponential pace compared to that of the South. In addition, the North relied upon the south to support it's textile industry with raw materials. The South had very little say or influence in the newly formed centralized federal government which was now taxing the South, attempting to mandate the manner in which the South did business and how it governed itself on a state by state basis.

Don't forget, the South was made up more of recent immigration to North America than the North. The majority of the South's population came here to avoid an overburdensome rule by a centralized federal government/ruler. The Southern population saw the overreaching northern federal government as a continuation of the oppression they faced in Europe. Basically, the North favored a loose interpretation of the United States Constitution. They wanted to grant the federal government increased powers. The South wanted to reserve all undefined powers to the individual states.

The North also wanted internal improvements designed to primarily assist the north, sponsored by the federal government. This was more roads, railroads,
and canals. The South, on the other hand, did not want these projects to be done at all if they only helped the North. Also the North wanted to develop a tariff. With a high tariff, it protected the Northern manufacturer. It was bad for the South because a high tariff would not let the south trade its cotton for foreign goods. The North also wanted a different banking and currency system and federal subsidies for shipping and internal improvements primarily aimed at benefitting Northern interests. The South felt these were discriminatory and that they favored Northern commercial interests.

Concerning slavery, it was definitely an issue and a heated one at that. However, the majority of the South was made up of people who were too poor to own slaves. Granted, the cotton industry was born on the backs of slaves but, the majority of the Southern slave owners realized slavery was on its way out by virtue of ongoing technological developments in agriculture. What's ironic is that many of the Northern industrialists had vast holdings in the expanding west, primarily in timber. Originally most of the harvesting was done via slavery. However, once technology caught up, these former (now extremely wealthy and empowered) northern slave owners jumped onto the emancipation band wagon. Obviously, the south saw this as but another slap in the face by hippocritical northern industrialists.

[greenmachine]

This is getting good.

[Anoriginal]

This is getting good.

Economics and the law might be my educational background. However, American history (primarily the Civil War) is my passion.

[Loven It]

I was hoping someone would come through w/ some real educatinal value concerning the flag.
Thanks.....
As for the original question of the post, for the right to be able to purchase this License plate one should be required to pass a 15 or 20 question exam on the history of the flag. This would get rid of the uneducated following that generally prevails when trying to keep up w/ the new trends.......

I could not agree with you more...ask half of the people you see with confederate flags on their shirts, hats, cars & trucks etc....they don't even know the flag came about during the civil war, let alone what it stands for.

To many people associate the confederate flag with slavery and racisim...and that really pisses me off! That is not what the confederate flag is about.

Not to mention the fact that as anoriginal stated this is not even the 1st confederate that was inducted. (the one being spoken about)

[Loven It]

This is getting good.

Economics and the law might be my educational background. However, American history (primarily the Civil War) is my passion.

I can't say its my passion but after to many people I knew (key word knew) associated the confederate flag as a "racist" thing I chose to learn as much as I could about it, so that people would be educated on it instead of make an ass of themselves.

[Anoriginal]

This is getting good.

Economics and the law might be my educational background. However, American history (primarily the Civil War) is my passion.

I can't say its my passion but after to many people I knew (key word knew) associated the confederate flag as a "racist" thing I chose to learn as much as I could about it, so that people would be educated on it instead of make an ass of themselves.

To me, it's one of the saddest, yet influential and creative periods in American history. The conviction of both sides was amazing. It makes me wonder just how much we could accomplish today if people still had that type of conviction and willingness to devote to making this country even better.

[Able]

When did I say I wasnt a racist? Im pointing out that some of you have racist qualities. If you want to call me a racist based on my beliefs then go ahead, I wont argue about that.

Jewbacca is a funny name, chewbacca from star wars. The fact I dont like Jews from my own personal experiences acctually has nothing to do with the name.

Ive seen countless threads on this site in the past where you guys complain about illegal immigrants, mexicans stealing jobs, not speaking english, etc. Those same things piss me off too. And Im the only "racist"?

You're just to ignorant to understand that identifying a problem in our country such as illegal immigration and lack of enforcement for a single language within our borders is not racism. racism is one hating an entire race for no reason other than the race or ethnicity. If someone posts that they hate people that don't speak English in America it isn't racist at all. If someone posts they hate illegal immigration that's not racist at all. For someone to say they hate the Rebel flag just shows their ignorance and predudice. and to say you hate an entire religion is not only prejudice it's down right stupid.

[Able]

This is getting good.

Economics and the law might be my educational background. However, American history (primarily the Civil War) is my passion.

I can't say its my passion but after to many people I knew (key word knew) associated the confederate flag as a "racist" thing I chose to learn as much as I could about it, so that people would be educated on it instead of make an ass of themselves.

To me, it's one of the saddest, yet influential and creative periods in American history. The conviction of both sides was amazing. It makes me wonder just how much we could accomplish today if people still had that type of conviction and willingness to devote to making this country even better.

As opposed to remaining lax in almost every venue except ones that directly benefit ones self serving needs. We're basically a society on coast. we're still reaping the benefits of our founding fathers and doing very little in contrast to our abilities. People today (for the most part) fail to earn or deserve respect due to their laziness and greed. You're right, if the citizens in our nation decided to better our country instead of laying around trying to soak the system dry we'd all be much better off. And all the while the lazy ones and the ones unwilling to lift a finger are usually the ones b!tching about what's wrong with the country not realizing how much they contribute to the problem.
Anoriginal - you're a smart guy, I don't care what these people here tell me  I can't wait til we get to debate on opposite sides of an issue again 

Cain

[gery350]

i remember in junior high my sociology teacher compared our priorites to that of japan and it went something like:

america- family, job, country

japan- country, job, family

[Anoriginal]

Cain:

Thanks for the compliment. I always appreciate and respect a good debate. It's a mental exercise that should be enjoyed.

I totally agree with your comments. I for one get tired of supporting the lazy and listening to them complain.


~ Matt

[gtnwood]

Here's a bonus question... Anyone know what the civil war was about? (Hint......slavery was only a small part.)

didn't it have something to do with cotton?

In a round about way....yes. The population in the north was growing at an exponential pace compared to that of the South. In addition, the North relied upon the south to support it's textile industry with raw materials. The South had very little say or influence in the newly formed centralized federal government which was now taxing the South, attempting to mandate the manner in which the South did business and how it governed itself on a state by state basis.

Don't forget, the South was made up more of recent immigration to North America than the North. The majority of the South's population came here to avoid an overburdensome rule by a centralized federal government/ruler. The Southern population saw the overreaching northern federal government as a continuation of the oppression they faced in Europe. Basically, the North favored a loose interpretation of the United States Constitution. They wanted to grant the federal government increased powers. The South wanted to reserve all undefined powers to the individual states.

The North also wanted internal improvements designed to primarily assist the north, sponsored by the federal government. This was more roads, railroads,
and canals. The South, on the other hand, did not want these projects to be done at all if they only helped the North. Also the North wanted to develop a tariff. With a high tariff, it protected the Northern manufacturer. It was bad for the South because a high tariff would not let the south trade its cotton for foreign goods. The North also wanted a different banking and currency system and federal subsidies for shipping and internal improvements primarily aimed at benefitting Northern interests. The South felt these were discriminatory and that they favored Northern commercial interests.

Concerning slavery, it was definitely an issue and a heated one at that. However, the majority of the South was made up of people who were too poor to own slaves. Granted, the cotton industry was born on the backs of slaves but, the majority of the Southern slave owners realized slavery was on its way out by virtue of ongoing technological developments in agriculture. What's ironic is that many of the Northern industrialists had vast holdings in the expanding west, primarily in timber. Originally most of the harvesting was done via slavery. However, once technology caught up, these former (now extremely wealthy and empowered) northern slave owners jumped onto the emancipation band wagon. Obviously, the south saw this as but another slap in the face by hippocritical northern industrialists.

Wow, very comprehensive explanation. I would've just said commerce mostly and left it at that. Oh and did'nt it have something to do with the French and the Mississippi River hmmm?

[#32YammiMan]

...ask half of the people you see with confederate flags on their shirts, hats, cars & trucks etc....they don't even know the flag came about during the civil war, let alone what it stands for.

That is the whole reason behind my postings, People dont know what it really stands for. All they see it as being a redneck flag, the rebel flag, where it or put it on your truck and your cool.  

The racism argument came after that, the flag isnt about race although some people view it as that. Some people waive the flag in spite of blacks, mexicans, etc  

and if anyone thought that was really a picture of me then your an idiot

[greenmachine]

Oh hell yeah yeah Im getting one of these, Im a crazy redneck and I got a big truck I love the rebel flag. GIT-R-DUN  honkey tonk badonkadonk, Im putting one on the roof, one in the front, 3 in the windows, and Imma hang one from the rear view. General Lee all the way, the south will rise again! Ima a cowboy through and through, I only listen to country music and I wear wrangler jeans and drink budweiser and jack daniels. YEEHAW!!!

Do you actually have a mouth on both sides of your face?

[#32YammiMan]

Oh hell yeah yeah Im getting one of these, Im a crazy redneck and I got a big truck I love the rebel flag. GIT-R-DUN  honkey tonk badonkadonk, Im putting one on the roof, one in the front, 3 in the windows, and Imma hang one from the rear view. General Lee all the way, the south will rise again! Ima a cowboy through and through, I only listen to country music and I wear wrangler jeans and drink budweiser and jack daniels. YEEHAW!!!

Do you actually have a mouth on both sides of your face?

Do you not understand the reason behind that comment?

[Thrumud]

ello ebree body, me name es Carlitos Gomes n want to no wer I find de rebel flag for me astro van. Me like to put a rebel tag next to my mexican flag becus i love america and me n my lady are from de south to.

[Da_Mtg_Man]

ello ebree body, me name es Carlitos Gomes n want to no wer I find de rebel flag for me astro van. Me like to put a rebel tag next to my mexican flag becus i love america and me n my lady are from de south to.

You crack me up 

[greenmachine]

I understand that in one post you come off as a racist jackazz & in the other you poke fun at people just like yourself. So which is it? Oh yeah, since the original post asked if you would get one, why or why not? You have only insulted rednecks, mexicans, cubans & puerto ricans, not answered the post question yet?

[94Hardbody4x4]

You all have such an easy solution. LEts just send all the illegal immigrants back home. I;m sure if you snap you fingers and wiggle your ears it'll happen overnight.

What happends to our Orange groves? Construction? Manufacturing? Etc? Even white trash wont do some jobs. Thats why God made certain people.

[Thrumud]

Just to smooth the topic up a little, last year I was at the "SWAMP GABAGE" in Palmdale and I saw the most beautiful thing .... A white lifted Dodge with a rebel flag on the front bumper, two rebel stickers on the back window and a huge rebel flag on a pole on the corner of the truck's bed. The best part - 3 Mexicans were driving and 5 were in the bed.  Gotta love that one.  I have the picture somewhere if I find it I will post it.  

OK .... Continue to argue !