rifle, scope combo

[Fox17]

with Christmas comin, i am asking for a hunting rifle. i need some opinions.

first, the rifle. what do you think about, Sako, Remington, Winchester, Ruger, Mossberg, Savage, and any other you can think of? also what caliber, anything important when choosing one. i was leaning toward a Tikka (by Sako, imported by Beretta) T3 Lite rifle in .308.

as for the scope, the rifle i want comes with scope rings and mounts. so i was lookin at a burris fulfield 2 scope in 3-9x40. is that good?

[LakelandQuadRnR]

Before anyone can give you a good opinion you really should tell us how much money you are willing to spend.  That has a lot to do with it.  And also where and what you will be hunting.  In florida you can get away with a smaller calliber.  But anywhere else you need something with plenty of power for the bigger animals.

[Fox17]

it will be in florida and maybe tennessee and some southern states too. if i move out of florida i want a good enough gun there too. i want to spend between 600-1000. most of those guns are in the 500 to 600 dollar range (msrp). the scope i want is 200. so that is round 800 unless i find one on sale or somethin. would a .308 take down a elk or moose? and how far is their range?

[Kawa3]

I like my 270, has served me well. I wouldn't go smaller than a 270 here in fla with the hogs if you hunt them. Any size gun will take down an elk or moose if it is a well placed shot. I like the 30-06,270,7mm mag and 300mags. I have a savage and it has done great with no problems at all. I love rugers and that would be my next rifle, but my next gun will be the 500 S&W revolver most likely (<that can do it all also)

[Fox17]

well i guess my question bout caliber is, will a .308 take down any game in the U.S. that i want to hunt? i wont hunt bear just deer and hogs with it. or deer like animals.

[Kawa3]

I like to drop hogs where they are at and not have to trail them. For pretty much anything in the North america the 30-06 270 7mm mag and 300mag will get the job done. 308s im not to filmilar with so im not for sure, but if i remember right is sorta like a 243 which is more for long distance more than knock down power.

[xr100racer]

44 mag, almost as long as a rifle. then you can ask the hog if he feels lucky

[digginfool]

.270 is a nice caliber; not too much recoil but definitely lacking in power.  It's a great round for women and children or those who are a tad gun shy.  30-06 or 7mm Rem Mag are probably the two best calibers for overall general purpose hunting.  I chose the 7mm Rem Mag because the recoil is handled a little easier and there is a wide range of bullet weights to choose from.  The higher velocity makes long shots a lot easier to make (less drop to compensate for).  This comment will probably irritate some others because there are quite a few different calibers to choose from but the two I mention are generally regarded as the best for all around hunting.

[Fox17]

well the .308 is a short action bullet, and it will shoot like 300yds with little drop. my friend killed a deer from a lil over 200 yards with one the other day.

xr100racer, i carry the 44 on my side for protection from bears and such. need somethin a lil more accurate.

digginfool, does a 7mm rem mag kick less than a 30-06?

[digginfool]

IMO, yes.  I have a Remington Model 700 in 7mm Rem Mag and it is a fine shooting rifle.  I have also hunted with the Model 700 in 30-06 and I definitely prefer the 7mm.

[Fox17]

will they shoot as far as 300 yards?

[Kawa3]

.270 is a nice caliber; not too much recoil but definitely lacking in power.  It's a great round for women and children or those who are a tad gun shy. 

270s don't really lack in power and the recoil is about the same as a 30-06, might have got it mixed with 243? but mine has dropped everything i have shot with it(3pigs one that was almost 400lbs)

[Fox17]

i have really almost decided what rifle to get but not a scope. anyone have or had a burris fulfield 2?

[digginfool]

I highly recommend the Burris Fullfield 2 in 3.5x10-50mm.  It is what I use on my Model 700.  It's light gathering capability and crystal clear optics makes this a fine scope, particularly when you consider the price point.  One thing to consider, the .30-06 has been around forever and you will find that ammo at almost any store that sells any kind of ammo.  That may not be true for some of the more exotic calibers.  Even as popular as the 7mm Rem Mag is, I have been in stores that did not carry bullets in that caliber.  Granted, we're not talking major sporting goods or hunting shops, but sometimes you have to take what you can get.  If you do go with .308, .300 or 7mm, just be sure to buy your ammo before you get too far from civilization.  BTW, .270 is nearly the decimal equivalent of 7mm.  Stand the two shells next to each other and you will see why the 7mm Rem Mag has so much more power than a .270.  One thing to be aware of, a .270 will chamber into a 7mm Rem Mag rifle but will explode in your face if you fire it.  The 7mm Rem Mag will not chamber into a .270 rifle.

[singleshot]

Burris makes good quality scopes.   The .308 is a fine caliber choice for a rifle and its ballistics are close to a 30-06 due to a more efficient cartridge design.  It will work on any game in North America, but is considered underpowered for Elk, Moose and Grizzly by today's standards.

[Hawgin4x4]

i have to agree with kawa, my 270 has served me well. ive dropped about 10 pigs with it, Some big ole porkers. And a buck with it. I havent came across anything yet that the 270 wont take care of. I also have an 30 06 that has served me well. I would say find a friend with the rifles you like or go to a range and shoot the different rifles and see wich one u like better.

[Anoriginal]

Fox 17, you have a PM

[live2mud]

I wouldn't waste my time with a 270.I have a model 700 7mm.i have had it for 30 years have killed 97 deer,1 mule deer,3 elk,most of the deer were 300+ yrds,some 400+yrds.308 not a bad round i have a assault rifle in that round. 

[Fox17]

what brand assult rifle? i would love a .308 like that.

[Fox17]

i need some expert advice: which (.308 or 30-06) one of these shoots a flatter, longer trajectoyr (i think i screwed that word all up)? i am gonna get one of those calibers so i need the best most accurrate easiest to shoot one. im not worried bout where to get ammo. there are 3 gun shops pretty close and i frequently visit bass pro.

[Anoriginal]

Here's the skinny on the 30-06 vs the .308 based upon both shooting a 150gr. boat tail accu-tipped bullet:

First, Velocity in feet per second:

Muzzle- .308 = 2820, 30-06 = 2910
100yrds - .308 = 2533, 30-06 = 2617
300yrds - .308 = 2009, 30-06 = 2083

Second, Energy in ft-lbs:

Muzzle - .308 = 2648, 30-06 = 2820
100yrds - .308 = 2137, 30-06 = 2281
300yrds - .308 = 1344, 30-06 = 1445

Third, long range tragetory based on 200yrd zero:

100yrds - .308 = +1.8", 30-06 = +2.0"
250yrds - .308 = -3.4", 30-06 = -3.2"
300yrds - .308 = -8.8", 30-06 = -8.2"


Hope this helps. Have a good one!

[scamutz]

I highly recommend the M16A2 Service Rifle. 

Sir, the M16A2 Service Rifle is a 5.56mm Lighweight, Magazine Fed, Air Cooled, Gas Operated, Shoulder Fire Weapon, Capable of Firing Either Semi-Automatic or Three Round Burst.

The Maximum Effective Range of the M16A2 Service Rifle is 2682 feet at an area target, and 1604 feet at a point target.

Sir.




Oohrah!

[Fox17]

I highly recommend the M16A2 Service Rifle. 

Sir, the M16A2 Service Rifle is a 5.56mm Lighweight, Magazine Fed, Air Cooled, Gas Operated, Shoulder Fire Weapon, Capable of Firing Either Semi-Automatic or Three Round Burst.

The Maximum Effective Range of the M16A2 Service Rifle is 2682 feet at an area target, and 1604 feet at a point target.

Sir.




Oohrah!

well if you can get me one ill buy it.

Here's the skinny on the 30-06 vs the .308 based upon both shooting a 150gr. boat tail accu-tipped bullet:

First, Velocity in feet per second:

Muzzle- .308 = 2820, 30-06 = 2910
100yrds - .308 = 2533, 30-06 = 2617
300yrds - .308 = 2009, 30-06 = 2083

Second, Energy in ft-lbs:

Muzzle - .308 = 2648, 30-06 = 2820
100yrds - .308 = 2137, 30-06 = 2281
300yrds - .308 = 1344, 30-06 = 1445

Third, long range tragetory based on 200yrd zero:

100yrds - .308 = +1.8", 30-06 = +2.0"
250yrds - .308 = -3.4", 30-06 = -3.2"
300yrds - .308 = -8.8", 30-06 = -8.2"


Hope this helps. Have a good one!

thanks alot. where did you find that? very helpful.

[Fox17]

Anoriginal, did i send you a pm about a assult rifle? i thought i did. if i didnt, let me know so i can send it again.

[digginfool]

The skinny on 7mm Rem Mag Ballistics

Federal Premium 7mm Rem Mag 150gr Nosler

First Velocity:
muzzle        3110 fps
100yds       2913 fps
200yds       2724 fps
300yds       2544 fps
400yds       2370 fps
500yds       2203 fps

Second Energy:
muzzle       3221 ft-lbs
100yds      2826 ft-lbs
200yds      2472 ft-lbs
300yds      2155 ft-lbs
400yds      1871 ft-lbs
500yds      1617 ft-lbs

Third Drop w/200yd zero:
100yds      +1.3 inches
200yds          0
300yds      -6.0 inches
400yds      -17.3 inches
500yds      -34.9 inches

As you can see, the 7mm Rem Mag shoots flatter with more velocity, and thus, more energy, than either the .308 or the .30-06.  In fact, the 7mm Rem Mag has more velocity and energy at 500 yds than the other two have at 300 yards.  These results are for all three calibers firing a 150gr bullet.    Furthermore, IMO, the 7mm Rem Mag is an easier shooting round than either of the other two.  You would rarely find someone shooting 150gr in .30-06 or .308; usually up around 180gr and higher, where recoil becomes even more of an issue and ballistics, in some respects, fall off more rapidly.  You can find the ballistics for any caliber at the following link: 

http://www.federalpremium.com/ballistics/Ammo_Search.aspx?act=choose&firearm=1&s1=1