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Fox17
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i might get a 250R in the beginning of the year and need to know if they can be used in FTR events and at mx tracks. please help. thanks in advance.
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Quote from: Fox17 on September 24, 2006, 10:28:01 PM
i might get a 250R in the beginning of the year and need to know if they can be used in FTR events and at mx tracks. please help. thanks in advance.
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i dont have one yet but im really interrested in flat track racin. it looks extremely fun. i might just give it a try when i get one. it will be a 450R or a 250R i havent decided.
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For the money you can spend on a new 450 plus getting it setup for whatever your doing you can get an awesome 250R that is ready to roll and still have some $ left over. Heck even the CRF/YZF hybrids are getting dirt cheap lately. Unless your buying new strictly for a warranty I dont think you can go wrong with a 250R or one of the hybrids. Just my opinon
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I second that! I still really like my '88 250R. It has always been a good bike.
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September 24, 2006, 11:16:39 PM »
are they as fast as a 450 and are they legal for FTR and mx races? im not sure cause of 1 it is a 2 stroke and 2 they are loud. can you get quiet pipes for them to meet FTR and AMA regs?
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September 24, 2006, 11:31:13 PM »
A 2 stroke is gonna be way quieter then 450 if its piped. They have just such a low tone to them it carries and is just over all louder.
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September 25, 2006, 09:44:39 AM »
are they still legal for those events though? im gonna be usin it for FTR mx races and quad scrambles probably. my cousin races and he wants me to race with him. i have one year to get in peak physical shape and get a bike in great shape set up for next season.
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September 25, 2006, 05:20:54 PM »
The quads made on or before 1988 or 1989 I think are exempt from the sound testing that FTR is doing now so you wont have to worry about the DB issue....
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September 25, 2006, 09:33:22 PM »
are they as fast as a 450? and what is the best year?
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September 27, 2006, 10:42:13 AM »
Quote from: Fox17 on September 25, 2006, 09:33:22 PM
are they as fast as a 450? and what is the best year?
I think so, but it really is a matter of preference. For MX you NEED bottom end power and I would suggest a Paul Turner "Race 2003" pipe with a 350cc powervalved engine and 14/36 gearing. Get the suspension tuned in right and you have a very good MX machine. I don't know if they are still legal for MX races but they are still fast. The best years are '88-'89 models but really the 86-87 are so close that you can't really go wrong.
You see that I still race flattrack with my old '88 250R. It really is a great bike, and I will stay on it until it is no longer competitive. By that time, I will be old and it will probably be me that is not competitive anymore...LOL
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September 27, 2006, 01:36:45 PM »
it will be more for trails and quad scrambles. im thinkin the torque and smoothness of the 4stroke will be better.
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I see you have never ridden a 250r before...
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September 27, 2006, 05:01:11 PM »
well............no. i havent ridden a cr250 either. im not the biggest fan of 2 strokes. i have always ridden 4 strokes. the only 2 strokes ive ever ridden were a pw 50 (lol) and various 80s and 85s. im willing to give a 250R a try though cause its not a bike. i love the thrill of the power band when it hits you but i also like the smoothness of a 4 stroke. i would love to ride one b4 i buy but i dont know anybody with one.
anyway im probably goaan get one cause of price for one thong and ive always wanted a 250R to have as a collectors item one day.
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September 27, 2006, 09:02:55 PM »
250r's RULE!!!
They are still the best thing out there. I have owned quite a few. My son has a Roll Design Lobo II with a 295 powervalve, and I have an 88, converted to a no link rear with a 330. We keep a couple of stock engines for spares, just in case. The problem with them is they are like Daddy's teen age princess. They liked to spoiled and carressed. In other words, they are high maintenence. But the rush from a top performing 250r is worth it. When you start putting alot of power into the engine is when you start spending alot of time working on them. A good suspension will make you faster and more comfortable when you race. I have won races with the "OH MY GOD" horsepower, and with a bone stock engine. I also have spent countless hours working on them. If you are not mechanically skilled, find a good friend or mechanic who is. I think the 250r is funner than my YFZ. If you are a 4 stroke person, you will have a learning curve with a 2 stroke. You can't drive them like a tractor. It's throttle pinned.
In the quad scrambles, you can race in the AA, 0-400 A,B, or C classes, womens, beginner, or in one of the age classes. Wherever you fall into. At the last quad scramble, there were a handfull out there. There were a few stock framed, and a couple aftermarket framed. As for the noise issue, my son's 295 came in at 95 db with a Paul Turner quiet silencer at the end of the race. The FMF Q Series will probably be even quieter. I hope I didn't get too carried away here for you. I just have a passion for 250r's. I hope to see another R out there.
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September 28, 2006, 11:14:12 AM »
like what kind of maintenance? rebuilding them often or what?
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September 28, 2006, 01:14:28 PM »
High maintenence? Um...somethings wrong here...
I rarely work on any of our 250r's and 2 strokes are the easiest engines to work on...
"a alot of time working on them" is your boy blowing them up all the time or what?
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September 28, 2006, 01:24:47 PM »
Quote from: HondaATC on September 24, 2006, 10:48:16 PM
For the money you can spend on a new 450 plus getting it setup for whatever your doing you can get an awesome 250R that is ready to roll and still have some $ left over. Heck even the CRF/YZF hybrids are getting dirt cheap lately. Unless your buying new strictly for a warranty I dont think you can go wrong with a 250R or one of the hybrids. Just my opinon
What are some of the names of hybrids you are refering to? What was the last year the Honda 250R was produced? Thank you
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September 28, 2006, 01:38:50 PM »
1989 was the last year Honda made the 250Rs but the aftermarket has been very strong in reproducing almost everything up until a year or two ago.
The hybrids are just customs, dirtbike engines in either factory ATV chassis (like a 250R or 400ex) or the high dollar specially made ones from companies like Walsh Race Craft, Laegers, Lone Star Racing, Arens, Roll Design, etc. Some common hybrid engines are Honda CRF450, Yamaha YZF400/426/450 Suzuki DRZ400, KTM 520. They were made by relatively small racing shops back before the factories were making the 450s like they are now.
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Quote from: Hoosier Daddy on September 28, 2006, 01:14:28 PM
High maintenence? Um...somethings wrong here...
I rarely work on any of our 250r's and 2 strokes are the easiest engines to work on...
"a alot of time working on them" is your boy blowing them up all the time or what?
wheres scott and derek?
Chris,
I don't get that one either. My '1988 250R has the original bottom end (18 years old) and the crank replaced in 1997 (9 years old, raced ALOT) and the Top end will be 2 years old if it makes it to December (Piston/bore) The 330 Kit has been totally reliable, never breaks, but is not a "Oh my God Horsepower" engine. I don't want one that is taken that for, just far enough to be competitive, which it is. My results so far should prove beyond any question that 250R's are competitive with the new 450's. Just ask anybody who races me if they think my 250R is no good, and I'm sure (Outside of Gary..because he hates 2 strokes..
..Just kidding man) they will tell you they are competitive bikes.
Not a reflection of all 450's, but my 450R had a brand new head, piston...ETC. Blew up on its first race ever. So I don't think there is much difference in reliability between the 2. Get whatever you want, they are both great bikes, so take it for what its worth, this is just my $.02.
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Gee, no wonder I do not comment here much. Try to give a person some advice and the wolves come out to mark their trees. Our 250r's were built to run to the limits, and that is just what we do with them. If you are going to race one of these, or any other quad, and be competitive, expect to work on it and maintain it. Maintenence includes every nut, bolt, fastener, bearing, bushing, the shocks, and every other part. Not just the engine. It is no fun to drive 300-400 miles to a race and find you had a bad axle bearing in practice and you can't race. They will last a long time if you ride them and race them occasionally, or if you have not mastered a full throttle. I am thrilled a few of you can get longevity out of your R's. I have had one of mine since '94 and it still runs great. FOX17, best of luck on your decision.
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thanks man. i wont be racin it all the time. more just to have fun with the family on and go fast in the woods. i like the WOT thing. i never mastered it on a big 2 stroke but on other bikes i have. im leanin towards one now but we will have to see.
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Quote from: RJ on September 28, 2006, 08:47:43 PM
Gee, no wonder I do not comment here much. Try to give a person some advice and the wolves come out to mark their trees. Our 250r's were built to run to the limits, and that is just what we do with them. If you are going to race one of these, or any other quad, and be competitive, expect to work on it and maintain it. Maintenence includes every nut, bolt, fastener, bearing, bushing, the shocks, and every other part. Not just the engine. It is no fun to drive 300-400 miles to a race and find you had a bad axle bearing in practice and you can't race. They will last a long time if you ride them and race them occasionally, or if you have not mastered a full throttle. I am thrilled a few of you can get longevity out of your R's. I have had one of mine since '94 and it still runs great. FOX17, best of luck on your decision.
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Quote from: Teej on September 28, 2006, 01:24:47 PM
Quote from: HondaATC on September 24, 2006, 10:48:16 PM
For the money you can spend on a new 450 plus getting it setup for whatever your doing you can get an awesome 250R that is ready to roll and still have some $ left over. Heck even the CRF/YZF hybrids are getting dirt cheap lately. Unless your buying new strictly for a warranty I dont think you can go wrong with a 250R or one of the hybrids. Just my opinon
What are some of the names of hybrids you are refering to? What was the last year the Honda 250R was produced? Thank you
Teej
I was asking as I know a kid that has a 99' 250 sitting in a shed. A teen messed up the engine and this kid picked it up thinking he could fix it. He got an estimate from Honda of $1000 to rebuild the engine. Not wanting to spend that much, this 250 has been sitting in a shed for a couple of years. I can pick it up rather cheap. A 99' 250, would that be an ES? What would you do with this engine? Rebuild it? Put another engine in it? Would a 250R engine swap in there easily? What can I put in it without having to switch out alot of other parts?
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it would be either a recon or a 250ex. i have no idea what you could do to it though.
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