Posting here so maybe I'll get some answers.

[Anoriginal]

Joedirt:

Very good points. I think you're hitting it right on the head. Pretty bizzare how things are handled. I know the RRPOA board members read this yet they do not respond. Why? Come on guys! Here's your chance to show you're legitimate.

Sombch:

I totally understand the positions you take on the issue. You just want to ride and don't care about the details. I can appreciate that. However, this stuff needs to be stirred now with answered reached before the attacks start coming from the land acquisition folks. Opening up a discussion, getting good answers in place and bringing things to the open verses keeping them secrete and not answering anyone will only help us in the future.

[greenmachine]

I go to ride there as a total last resort. It may be the best riding for ute's, but show up out there on a sport quad & you get the evil stares like you are intruding. I truly dont even care to take my quad out there we just ride the buggy.

[garym]

Is America great or what?  RR is what it is.  It is basically a big co-op for all land owners to use.  You get a camp site for private use.  You get 70,000 plus acres to ride and hunt.  You have people employed who offer security, street maintenance, and fire services for a piddley $120 per year.

Find me another place like it and you will get my attention.

[Joedirt]

Is America great or what?  RR is what it is.  It is basically a big co-op for all land owners to use.  You get a camp site for private use.  You get 70,000 plus acres to ride and hunt.  You have people employed who offer security, street maintenance, and fire services for a piddley $120 per year.

Find me another place like it and you will get my attention.

I agree 200%...I truly do....I just do not know why pee-ons like myself have to speculate as to the reasons why...

[Anoriginal]

I do not doubt for a minute that it's a good deal for the money. However, my concern is keeping it long term.

[garym]

Nothing is ever definite.  If the government wanted to come take your property, they could today but would have to pay for it. Same with RR except that property is on their radar screen versus yours isn't (I think)

[Anoriginal]

Nothing is ever definite.  If the government wanted to come take your property, they could today but would have to pay for it. Same with RR except that property is on their radar screen versus yours isn't (I think)

RR is absolutely on the screen and being considered. There is a surplus of funds for acqusition. RR is a top category parcel in the Bombing Range Ridge plan.

[garym]

bummer....at least they have to pay us a fair price (market price) for the property per emminent domain regs.   

[Smoknbanshee]

You might be suprised.  because what is fair to you and the market, is not always what is fair to the government.  the government will pay what they want no matter what.

[MadMudder]

Yeah I pretty much agree with Gary. Along with cableguy1 im way on the outside looking in with a telescope cause I live in Jacksonville and the only thing I know is what i have read. But it sound like a pretty good deal. I can see the whole not building because then you would have your little postage stamp to ride on and nothing else unless you gathered up 1,000s of easements to ride around on. As far as the management goes, im sure they are just in it for the money. But that is how the world runs. Its all the power of a dollar. So you can fight the government and orginzatons and everyone else but in the end, you alone are not going to change anything. Mabye if a bunch of people really started complaining then something might get done but you alone are pretty much just an extra 120per year. Its sad but true. But if you really start poking the bear with a stick it might just turn around and bite you and then it could be gone. So your best bet is to take the M&J approach and STFU and ride. Try an see if you can get some support at the rally.


       Bottom line: Dont be a hero and show up May 19th and try to get more support then just you.

[LeBlanc Outdoors]

OK, surmise this.  RRPOA decides next week dues are now 1200.00/yr, OK I have a large investment, its still all good.  They take your money and the next day they tell you your approved campsite now has a yearly maintenence fee of 5000.00 and a yearly lease of 5000.00, and you are not allowed to re-enter until you pay.  Do you have legal rights to your personal property and your lot. Or is it vigilante justice, you know, just shut-up and go with it, its the way it is?    Again I ask M&J Lands/RRPOA step up to the plate and give us some answers.  When you thought you had a consensus in your favor on Anoriginals other post, you were quick to post a pathetic good ol' boy answer.  How about some real backbone to put aside all the conjecture and assumptions, and give us the way it is. 
    RR seems like a great place, lets do what it takes to protect it for the future for us to have a place to retreat from the asphalt and steel which is quickly encompassing our state.   Thanks

[Anoriginal]

bummer....at least they have to pay us a fair price (market price) for the property per emminent domain regs.  

Actually, if all the "members" transferred their property over to the RRPOA, the RRPOA gets the money.

Leblanc's - They're not going to respond. I find it incredibly irresponsible.

Madmudder - The "bear" sure isn't the RRPOA. The bear is the state and federal land acquisition folks. As far as the rally goes, I have no intention of bringing it up but, will vehemently participate if the topic arises. I'd enjoy some constructive discussion on the topic.

[qt314nfla]

For those that would like to see the property stay out of the governments hands.  To the best of my knowledge the way to do this is to purchase land and sign the conservation easment papers.  As for what they would pay us if they took the land.  Sorry gary but you're gonna be lucky to see 1/4 of what you paid for your deed.  That property value is very low which is why we only pay $12/ year in taxes on it.  It is valuable to those of us that use the land the way it is for recreation.  But for any other purposes it's not very valuable and is wetlands.

Just my .02.  Not sure how accurate I am this is what I've gathered.

[Anoriginal]

The "conservation easement" will do absolutely nothing to keep the government from enforcing its eminent domain powers. When they implement a taking of a large parcel of property they do not look at a so called "conservation easement". Instead, they look at the improvements to your actual parcel of property (not the parcel assigned to you in a so called camping area). The current use combined with the historical use (sometimes) is what is considered. Nothing more.

Sorry, but that conservation easement is in my opinion just a way to make people feel better while at the same time granting more power to a rogue organization.

[cycole]

     I had a great time there this weekend

                                Cheers,CyCole

                                     
                                                   

[Anoriginal]

     I had a great time there this weekend

                                Cheers,CyCole

                                    
                                                   

I hope you can continue doing so for years to come.

[greenmachine]

The saga continues.....still no answers. Kinda like Cool Hand Luke, "Thank you sir may I have another". RR basically is saying, pay me this & you can go here & if you dont like it then just Shut Up & deal with it!

[Anoriginal]

The saga continues.....still no answers. Kinda like Cool Hand Luke, "Thank you sir may I have another". RR basically is saying, pay me this & you can go here & if you dont like it then just Shut Up & deal with it!

It's very sad and extremely irresponsible but, it looks like it's true.

[SomBch]

Actually Cool Hand Luke was "yes sir boss" , "Thank you sir may I have another " was Animal House . Incase anyone was wondering.

[SomBch]

The "conservation easement" will do absolutely nothing to keep the government from enforcing its eminent domain powers. When they implement a taking of a large parcel of property they do not look at a so called "conservation easement". Instead, they look at the improvements to your actual parcel of property (not the parcel assigned to you in a so called camping area). The current use combined with the historical use (sometimes) is what is considered. Nothing more.

Sorry, but that conservation easement is in my opinion just a way to make people feel better while at the same time granting more power to a rogue organization.

You forgot to include future use and potential economic benefits to the area if use is changed.

[CABLEGUY1]

Actually Cool Hand Luke was "yes sir boss" , "Thank you sir may I have another " was Animal House . Incase anyone was wondering.

I thought I may have been the only one who noticed that so I didn't say anything. Animal House."That was a classic"

[Anoriginal]

The "conservation easement" will do absolutely nothing to keep the government from enforcing its eminent domain powers. When they implement a taking of a large parcel of property they do not look at a so called "conservation easement". Instead, they look at the improvements to your actual parcel of property (not the parcel assigned to you in a so called camping area). The current use combined with the historical use (sometimes) is what is considered. Nothing more.

Sorry, but that conservation easement is in my opinion just a way to make people feel better while at the same time granting more power to a rogue organization.

You forgot to include future use and potential economic benefits to the area if use is changed.

Bottom line, the easement does ZERO.