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Along4theride said her 3 brothers and their wifes was riding in ocala this weekend, stop to watch some guys riding in mud, while watching one guy sprayed mud on them so he asked if they would chill out, next thing he knew a beer bottle got broken over his head and several others jumped in end result was some broken ribs, losts of bruises and one of the girls teeth knocked loose. These guys beat up on the woman aswell. This is not right to have to in counter this out having fun to end up in this condition. this a short version of the story but short or long still sucks.Any one else has any info let her know to help her brothers out. Thanks  

THANK YOU BIGWORM...

PLEASE IF ANYONE KNOWS ANYTHING LET ME KNOW...
marthadowning2004@yahoo.com

-martha- [smiley=Ouch.gif]

That really sucks !!  Sorry to hear.

Im sorry to hear something happen like that.

(Any one else has any info let her know to help her brothers out. Thanks )

I like your idea....   [smiley=EvilSmile.gif]

any Idea what they were riding.

Very sorry to hear that.  :(

What were they riding and what part of the forest were they in ?

You know.... what kind of man would hit a woman?
I just cant understand that..
The world we live in is a pretty scary place, the past 50 years has changed so dramaticly..

That totally sucks and I cannot think of ANY reason in the world for that to happen...WTF?
Obviously they were drunk...or on the way to being.

man it would sure suck for one of them guys if a stray bullet "suddenly came thru the woods" and hit one of them...

gee officer, I don't know why some hunter was using a 9mm

u know..someone mistaking the swingin beer bottles for antlers..

Man that sucks, no one should have to put up with that kind of s**t. I work with a guy that lives in Ft. McCoy, he has lived in that area and around the ONF all of his life. If you can let me know what they were driving I might be able to get a line on them and let the law handle it. This kind of stuff makes me real  >:(.

That really SU@KS! :o
I hope all will be OK.
So where were the Game Officers?  All you have to do is go off the trail for 5 mins and there they are, but not when you need them the most!
And I thought playing in the mud is a BIG NO-NO? :-/
I'm with Thrasher if it was us... I'm afraid some lead would be flying!

WORM Please try and get as much info about what they were riding, what they were wearing and what part of the woods they were in. Sounds like hopefully out of staters. If people knew more they could ask around up at scrub and so forth to see if anyone remembers them.
Hope y'all get better and we don't see this happen again. It will only add fuel to the tree huggers trying to close down more riding areas.

THANKS EVERYONE FOR RESPONDING .. TO ANSWER QUESTIONS .. WE DONT KNOW WHAT KIND OF ATVS ,BUT... ONE OF THE GUYS WAS DRVING A SILVER SILVERADO BRAND NEW WITH 22 'S ON IT... THEY WERE IN A PLACE CALLED THE PITS BY SOME WATER.. IM NOT REALLY SURE,I WASNT THERE. MY BROTHERS ARE THE ONES THAT WERE THERE AND GOT BEAT UP.. I FOUND OUT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED...  
THE JERK WITH 22'S GOT HIS TRUCK STUCK IN THE MUD,AND MY BROTHERS FRIEND BRIAN,HAS A TOYOTA WITH LIKE 35'S OR 38'S ON IT.. AND THE JERK WANTED BRIAN TO PULL HIM OUT AND BRIANS TRUCK HAD THE FRONT AXLE BUSTED SO HE TOLD HIM HE WOULDNT BE ABLE TO PULL HIM OUT AND THEN THE GUY GOT PISSED AND WENT INTO THE TRAILS WHERE ALL HIS BUDDYS WERE AND THE STARTED CIRCLING THEM AND SPINNING MUD ON THEM .. MY BROTHER ASKED THEM TO STOP .. AND THATS WHEN THEY JUMPED MY BROS. THERE WERE 15-16 OF THEM WHO JUMPED MY BROS.. 3 ON 1 OF MY BROS. BRIAN GOT KICKED TO THE GROUND AND THEY STOMPED HIS FACE SO BAD THAT BOTH JAWS ARE WIRED SHUT EVERY BONE IN HIS FACE IS BROKEN (HE EATS THROUGH A STRAW) [smiley=Unhappy.gif]AND THERES SO MUCH MORE ..... BUT YOU KNOW IT TAKES SOME PRETTY F@CKED UP PEOPLE TO BEAT PEOPLE LIKE THEY DID MY FAMILY... ONCE SOMEONE IS ON THE GROUND YOU STOP , YOUVE WON YOU DONT KICK SOMEONES FACE IN BECAUSE THEY DONT DO SOMETHING YOU WANT.. YOU LEAVE IT ALONE.OH  AND ......FROM WHAT MY COUSIN SAID THEY WERE NOT THE ONLY ONES THAT DAY ANOTHER GROUP GOT JUMPED TOO... THESE PEOPLE WHO DID THIS WERE NOT OUT THERE TO HAVE FUN ,THEY WERE THERE FOR OTHER REASONS.. I JUST WISH THAT PEOPLE COULDGO PLACES WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH SH*T LIKE THIS ... PLEASE IF ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING LET ME KNOW ....
THANKS ALOT -MARTHA IN JAX  [smiley=Angry.gif]

 :-[

this kinda stuff really gets under my skin. This sounds like some punks that prolly live around the area and hang out there often. Maybe we need to take an all guy group ride to ONF. We'll see how they like being out numbered when it's 250 on 15.  ;)

A fight is a fight, but neing jumped and kicked once you're down is completely unbelievable.  :( Everone be careful if you're in the forest and if you see anything similar to this just leave the area!

Just curious,how did your brothers and there freind get back to camp? Were they able to ride? They should have called the police while the guys truck was still stuck in the mud or at least gotten a tag number. I have ZERO respect for people who gang up on one person. That just shows that there really pu$$ies if they cant fight you one on one.Some one who will continually stomp on your face even after you got your a$$ beat and are on the ground is someone that has no dignity,morales,class or character for that matter. The only way he can fight is to jump you because he is to much of a coward to go one on one.And I'm pretty sure if he had the other scumbags would have jumped in if he was losing anyways. My youngest brother is a tough S.O.B. if this had happened to him and they were caught he would stalk everyone of them and approach them one by one when they were alone and beat them until there mothers couldn't recognize them. That is if me and my other two brothers didn't get them first.Sorry to ramble but it just makes me sick to know that people could do that.They deserve whatever they get and I really really hope that you find out who they are.I'm a firm believer of the justice system but if this happened to my brothers I wouldn't rest until  I got to see each one of them involved in the jumping get there a$$ beat severly. Remember there cowards so I doubt they will show there faces at Big Scrub for a long time . Sorry that had to happen to your brothers.

cable guy
thanks alot .. i know they are cowards .. it takes a real d*ck to jump a woman and they did .. but trust me they will find them and justice will be served the right way...  [smiley=Ouch.gif].....and to answer your question about the police, they didnt have a cell phone and they were just trying to get out of there.. they had to walk back to where they were... hopeing that there wasnt more out there about to jump them ...one of my bros has seizures really bad and they just wanted to get him out of there before they came back...
i dont understand how or why people do sh*t like this ya know.. i mean and the fact that they stomped brian's face so bad , just shows that they are not sane people .. they are psycho....

martha- >:(

This really pisses me off-and it is an everyday thing in Florida(i can not wait to get the hell outa here).I know i don't know anyone on here and this is my son's login,but,i really do feel bad for your family and also for everyone else-they will shut it down before they do the right thing and find the people who did this!!!that's the way they handle it-don't ride on the roads or else-but you are welcome to get your face kicked in and we will do everything we can to stay out of the way!!!! this mentality has to stop-these are the reasons we have no place to ride and have to go 2 hrs in any direction and sneak into a wooded area.I am from Maine and we take care of our places to ride,and each other.I wish everyone in florida was that way-like everyone on this message board seems to be,sorry about the rant but tired of losing places to ride because of criminal idiots and neglect-we all need to stand toghether before they take it all away(including our bikes).as said in a previous reply maybe the people who make money off of us should get involved-if they can sell it to us then maybe it would be in their best interest to help as well-sorry to hear that this happened to your family and hope they get through this well and able to ride again!! and of course if any of us see this truck make the authorities do something-they won't do it their own!!!! [smiley=Angry.gif] [smiley=Angry.gif]

Why are people like this brought into our wolrd ???



Its reason like this that people now think they need to bring A gun everwhere they go  >:(


This is also the same I Reason I get scared to go riding out by myself :'(

Some of you may be familier with my situation. I was also a victim of a senseless act of crime. You can read more about it in the thread link below. I can really feel for you guys that got hurt. These are nothing more  Then thugs. Unfortunately in these times it seems that its "cool" to be a thug. I mean look at GTA the game. What the hell are these game teaching our kids. My 15yr old wants allot more then he is alloud to play just for morality sake. Some of these games make fun of robbing and piliging and beating innocent peole and its funny to the kids. Well what about in reality. Don't you think some of these thought that are piped into there brains as they sit in front of the tube for days on end stick. I would love to be part of a possee to go out looking for these slime. It is a total shame that we must arm ourselves to enjoy a sport that we love or even drive down the street in my case. Get well soon.!! and take your story to the media.!

I think its time to organize the ATVFLORIDA TRAIL PATROL. just to tell the green trucks, how we intend to inforce the law, lol

Sorry to hear about this misfortune. Its ashame that we cant even go to the woods and ride without problems anymore.

Yeah, I agree with some of the video games being inappropriate, especially for the younger kids, but they dont make people hurt people. A child/person should be able to diferentiate between fantasy and reality. I taught preschool for 3 years and kids tend to be able to grasp that concept around 5-6 (of course with the help and guidence of thier parents). So as far as I'm concerned, it all leads back to BAD PARENTING and LACK OF MORALITY/COMMON SENSE/COMPASSION.

I hate to say it but the world is full of assholes like that, sorry you had to me some of them.

true, but why do they all have to live in Florida?!   ???

I agree with others on this post... I was born and raised here and am tired of seeing this place go to crap. Anytime you leave Florida it's always better.  I'll admit, I live in South Florida and it's really bad here, but man the ratio of idiots/animals to humans in Florida really stinks in comparison to other states.  
Anyways, don't give up! Let's get these idiots and 'have them removed' from society.

Lets just say its because we live close to the water.

Hate  to  here  what  happend.  I  live  in  Ocala  and  go  out  to  ONF  all  the  time.  I  hate  to  admit  it  but  there  are  a  bunch  of  backwards  ass  inbred  jackass  morons  that  live  out  in  the  forest.  To  stupid  to  tie  there  shoes  but  mean  enough  to  jump  you.  Trust  me , I  will  keep  my  eyes  open  and  ask  around  and  see  if  I  can  find  out  who  they  may  have  been  and  just  maybe  do  a  little  ass  whoppin  myself  for  ya !!! [smiley=Angry.gif]

Damn Inbreds

I agree with skyhigh. Those games are based on the invironement, (GTA San Andreas is based off of how it is in San Andrea) (GTA Miami is based from Miami) This is supposed to be the life there and in that area. The people are the ones its based off of and the people were doing these things before the games ever came out. I am 40 years old and I play these games sometimes and have played games most all my life and I would never think of harming someone in this manner. I also think its funny when I play these games and be the person but it would never cross my mind in doing it in real life. Its called entertainment. It all goes back to PARENTING, and with the laws today some people are afraid to discipline their children.

This is kind of off the topic, but can you bring a gun into the forest (outside of hunting season) if you have a concealed weapons permit?

 "NO"  I have a CW permit, and that is a big NO-NO.
No State forest, parks, buildings, etc.  [smiley=Disapprove.gif] It's a shame, that's why i don't ride ONF to much.

Hey Kawgirl:

Wow!! What a story to read. I'm shocked and scared at the same time..

Guess this is not a place to just go riding with MX Mike. What happened to patrols out there??

Sounds like the streets of NY...

tvman

lol.. its not quite that bad! But that is still a scary situation nonetheless. I havent personally ran into much trouble out there.. just the usual hunting season mishaps. You know the kind I am talking about... roofing nails in the trails and parking areas, wire across the trails, etc... It kind of makes it like an obstical course ;) There are patrols out there, but ONF is a BIG area. There is no way they could hire enough to patrol everywhere... people just need to grow up and be mature enough to handle thier anger/frustration properly.. I know... thats a lot to ask, I'm sorry  ::).

This is dispicable. These guys should be hunted down and beat to sh*t. ALL OF THEM! Guns may not be legal in ONF but after hearing this, I just may have to bring mine in incognito. Ridiculous. Hope your family recorvers well man.

I ride with cops  ;D

another 8 months or so and I'll be a cop ;D

plus I'm getting my CWP in a week. Cant ride with it in the forest but everywhere else I go I'll be legal. I'm alone 99% of the time....wether riding or just doing everyday things. In this day and time you cant be too safe! Too many stupid people out there!

Hey Quad and rnk,I live out in the forest,take it easy on the words.My yard borders the ONF and its great to ride from the yard.We don't have any to many people with 22s.Just alot of rednecks but I lived by busch gardens for 25 years and I'll take these forest people over tampa people any day.Laters Brian

oh by the way I dynojetted,k&n and HMF my kodiak 450 great performance boost

Didnt  mean  everybody  living  in  the  forest  were  bad  folks  but    there  are  quite  a  few  shady  ones  that  live  out  there.  I  can  say  that  cause  ive  known  a  few. ;)

QUAD32X

THANKS ,IF YOU SEE THEM LET ME KNOW GET  A TAG NUMBER OR SOMETHING ,I CAN FIND OUT WHO THEY ARE VERY EASILY,BY THAT..  


ONCE AGAIN THANKS FOR ALL THE COMMENTS  ::)

That is a horrable story I am sorry about what happened along4theride.

Well, I don't like to hear that story either.  My hubby is a cop and he always brings a gun when we ride.  It makes me nervous....I don't like guns.  But, I guess if were got into that kinda situation it would come in handy....or cause a gunfight, either one!  

I, obviously, am from Maine too! I am involved with an ATV club there. You are correct when you say that the trails are better taken care of. Two of the biggest differences between FL and ME when it comes to off-road is the willingness of people to put forth TIME to maintain, secure, and protect trails. The second major difference is MONEY. People in ME are willing to put their MONEY where their MOUTH is. It takes lots of money to maintain trails (drags, bridges, dinners for private landowners to help show appreciation). They raise money through corporate sponsors, raffles, flea markets, etc.

In general people here want free places to ride. Want to put no effort to keep these areas open and in general act like idiots when given a place to ride. I have said it before. We are our own worst enemies.

Want more places to ride in FL? Start a club... have the club become part of Florida Trail Riders. FTR is very vocal for 2 wheeled and 4-wheeled RACING issues but haven't done anything for the trail riding public. A local club aligned with FTR could push FTR to help with what we want. The more local clubs the more FTR could be pushed. FTR already has people in Tallahassee. They, Tallahassee, are the ones that open new riding areas for people like us. Getting on here and complaining does nothing.

The last time I looked there was over 15 million dollars in the capitol to open new riding areas. What has been done with this money? If you have bought a new machine or "done the right thing" and gotten a title for your machine.... you paid towards this.

Until people band together on a local level so that a push can be made on a state level this is what you will get.... nothing. Or even less than nothing...

Look at the facts; Just last year Maine opened 800 + miles of OHV trails. ATV (which in ME means anything with tires) trails... snowmobile trails and combnation trails (ATV and snowmobile). These trails are 90% on PRIVATE LANDS! The 10% of state lands opened have been EASY compared to private land openings. They still do it. My club in ME is opening a new 20 mile trail this year that connects our trails with our neighboring clubs trails. We will have 150 miles of trails between the two clubs. Now I should mention the Interconnected Trail System (ITS). This is a seperate trail system for snowmobiles only. It covers the whole state. You could get on a trail in southwest Maine and go to Canada.

Now lets look at Florida: Scotsmore... restricted and closing, Northport.... closed. Prarie... closed. and the list goes on.

What will happen? I predict that we will be left with a couple of areas to ride over the next 5 years. They will be privately owned areas where "like-minded" people own land and allow each other to ride on that land. These areas will become so congested with people that the inevitable accidents and deaths will happen. Some (many?) people will give up riding. Then eventually the state will take over these large areas of open land to "let them be natural". They won't pay you for your land. They will just come in and tell you... we are in control of this area now. You will still be allowed to go to your land, you can walk there and camp in a tent. Don't leave any turd or trash behind. Watch the birds all you want. DO NOT hunt. Animals get hurt when you hunt. Like the trees? Hug them all you want... but be careful of the sensitive bark.

Think that is all crap? Have you ever heard of "less than fee" land purchases? The state gives it this name when they take control of your land and don't pay you for it. Ever heard of Florida Forever? You better read up about land acquisitions by FF. http://www.dep.state.fl.us/lands/acquisition/FloridaForever/default.htm

As I have said before we need local clubs to work together at a state level. We need less talk and more work. Start a club in your area. If you need help I have some very good resources for reference for items like club setup, by-laws, membership, boards, etc. All you have to do is ask.

I wouldn't ride anywhere un-armed by the sounds of this topic. If you don't show it who will know? If I were jumped like this and felt in fear of my life and couldn't get away... BANG BANG. Go ahead and charge me with a misdemeanor weapons charge. I'll be alive to pay the fine!

Id rathered be tried by 12 then carried by 6. insured by SW 45
BLACKTALONS :o

I carry a 9mm in a waterproof box up under my quad. All I have to do is roll off the back and grab it and your dead!

No but there are ways around it legally. As long as it is some kind of Gun season, which is 75% of the year be it small game, general gun etc. as long as you have a WMA permit you can legally carry a gun with you in the forrest. Although most of the wardens will not hassle you anytime for being armed in the forrest as long as your not doing something stupid. They could if you pissed them off though.  ;D

I wouldn't advertise that I may be packing, cuz you don't know who is reading this and you can see who is writing this

Exactly

I believe only Law enforcement can carry conceled in these places. Im in law enforcement in Miami-dade and even we have a saying i heard earlier. I'd rather be jundged by 12 than carried by 6. I really dont give a F#ck who is reading this This kind of stuff shouldnt be happening. You dont go into the forest to ride your bike and have a nice day to get the dog sh&t beat out of you. I really hope that these morons either get busted or one day run into someone out there that brings a gun to a bottle fight ! That is so cowardous it rediculous. 3 on 1 it really bullsh*t. I would bet that if it was 1 on 1 the story would have been different. I hope your brother is better for the next group ride maybe we could do some riding.

"Rememver !!!! When you live by the sword you normally get killed by someone carring a gun"

Agreed. Maybe some of the people that did do this cowardly act are reading and should know we will be armed from now on. Like the man said. I would much rather be judged by 12 when defending me and my families life than carried by 6 and dug away forever never to help my family again. PHUCK THAT! I will not go down fighting against 3 or 4. I know I can take 2 but 3 or 4??? Been there, done that. I aint as fast as I used to be. Fast enough to draw the iron though. I am a family man and hope to one day see the day where we dont need or want guns for protection. But in this day and age, you almost have to be ready for anything.

A good thing to carry around with you, and law enforcement knows this, is O.C. spray. You hit someone with that stuff, and they wish they were dead. I recommend the 15% fogger type.

The best defense is a good offense. Time to get a concealed weapons permit & a gun rack.

               I LIKE BELT FED....FULLAUTO   HE HE HE HE 8)

Nah, they don't all live in Florida. I have met some great people in this state, but the negative sh**t gets the publicity. I used to carry a 5 shot .38, but will upgrade to my 9mm from now on. That stuff scares me. They could have killed someone easily. My thoughts and prayers are with your brother and his friends. Makes me want to go on a "group ride"  ;) with you guys.
Kurt

9mm are ok but maybe you should look into the .40 S&W. Its sorda like a 9mm with the stopiing power of a .45ACP. The ballistics were at about 1100 FPS and with the size of the RND ive seen them do there dirty work on a trip to the morgue some time ago. YUCKY!!!!

I like the .40, but I already have a 9!

I've got a S&W 357 magnum with an 8" weighted barrell!  A round of hollow points should do the trick...[smiley=Wacko.gif] [smiley=box.gif]  If not, I've got a Remington 870 12ga that shoots 3.5" shells, with a full turker choke to keep a tight pattern or a Mosseberg 12 ga, or for the far away shots...little 243 rifle or semi auto 30/06 and a few other shotguns like 4/10 pump, 20 ga single shot...so on...lol

Sorry to hear about your bros troubles.  I can't believe those pu$$ies did that!  I actually have a camp in Ocala, in Hog Valley.  There are some pretty bad ass people that live in the Valley.  But I am sure those punks came from somewhere else, ESPECIALLY if they have 22's on their Silverado.

I am all up for an "A$$ kicking" ride to the forrest!

Mike

The best way to avoid a confrontation is a visible show of force. A 12Gauge in the gun rack can work wonders at making punks behave.

Excellent point.

This is why I like to bring along my friend Walther.

im game anyone finds out who they are ill go

That's why I carry a concealed weapon, with permit

I would have unloaded on those motherf_ckers.

Give it time my friends, someone will talk, trust me.   They will talk.    Someone knows someone, etc, etc.  It'll get back to you.  Before you know it you'll know who did it, get a first/last name, search public records and hunt them down.

you so very right  any man and i mean any man that would do that  is no man at all

that is very jaw dropping  sory to hear