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I have read through all of the posting about Sandmountain. I have also read that the operators of Sandmountain are taking a look at what we are having to say about their track.

Ourselves as family and as a race team love the facility. Everytime we go, I cant say that we have ever had a bad time there. I do have to say that if anyone would like Sandmountain to change anything, I believe that everyone needs to post professional suggestions, not improper negatives about what who rides or what level so and so is. I would have to say that, under the roof of ATP, we have about the most verse levels of riders in one place. We have everyone from my 5 year old future PRO rider ;) ;D  , to the absolute fastest riders in the state from production A to PRO production.

I do believe that what they have at Sandmountain as a layout in my opinion is one of the best in the state. I do think that with input from some of the riders that we have under our roof, and other riders that have many years of riding experience like TRX9, as well as the input from your everyday riders, that there could be changes made to any of the tracks in the state.
I have learned a lot personally about jumping since I have been going to sandmountain. I am defiantly an average rider. I think that some of the faces of the jumps should be groomed and or angled a bit better and I also agree that if there where some changes made to the step up, it would make it a lot more friendly of a jump. I as an average rider have tried the step up, and made the jump, but I have only done it once because if you don't land perfectly, it will not be a pretty site.

I have sent Sandmountain a pm in the past, and extended the help from our team if they would like input or help from them. One of our riders is a heavy equipment operator, and has the experience to go out and groom the track.

I still extend the offer. If you guys are willing to have us out and let us work with you, we would be more than happy to help.


Thanks,
ATP Racing

Not bad for a mechanic!!! ;)

Very well said, Mike.  As I said earlier, if the track were groomed a little better it would make a great improvment.

As for Hardrock, as bad as its groomed its still better taken care of than SM.  Last time we rode there about three weeks ago all the jumps were very well groomed.  That makes a big difference.  I personally would not try the water tower no matter how groomed it was.  I like my ars were it is. 

As far as insisting that the step up is safe, I can personally vouch that the young  man who just about broke his back, is a better rider than 95% of any of us on this forum.  We have ridden with him several times at Bithlo and he is good.  Please explain what happen to him. A mistake, lack of experience.  I dont think so.  It could happen to anyone, but after ridding so many tracks, I cant recal a jump that has kicked so many arses.  Not even the water tower. 

Once again I will say it,Tim Farr himself said it was a tough jump.  WHICH ONE OF YOU ARE A NATIONAL RIDER?  WHICH ONE OF YOU CAN EVEN KEEP UP ENOUGH TO SMELL HIS EXHAUST?  HE MADE IT CLEAR, I HAVE TO HIT IT HARD TO CLEAR IT.  ITS NOT EASY.  I am not saying its not do able, but it sure is not safe.

Have a merry Christmas and God bless.

i think we all agree that the track is very hard to ride!
for some of us that is a good thing; so we can practice for the nationals!
for some of us it is bad because we dont have the high dollar suspension to help with the big impacts!
for some of us it gives us room to improve!
for some of us it scares us away!

I TOO AM WILLING TO HELP the Sandmountain crew make the subtle changes that can keep us all happy ;) i feel that all you need is a dozer and about 4 hours to fix it! no dirt needed.

thats exactly why i go there. to get ready for the nationals. i know im not going to like all the tracks im going to race at and all there jumps are going to be just as if not bigger than sandmountain.

as for the high dollar suspension you can talk to the maverick about that he has rode that track many times with stock suspension on a rappy 350 and jumped every jump there including the step up not making it all the way and coming out fine maybee it was luck i dont know.

i love sandmountain and i think its the best track around. and yes they need to groom the track alittle better. but i will continue to go there no matter what they do.

i just hope this stuff wont decrease the turnout for the group ride. because this is a great place.

thanks SM.

                                                                                           ~Jake

These were some of the points that I was trying to make all along. I raced my 1st race at SandMountain and had it not been for their TT track I wouldn't have learned some of the things I did last year. I rode on the MX track the very 1st day it opened and it was fun... but it beat the hell outta me and I saw guys wrecking left and right. My main concern is with that stepup. A very dear friend of mine (he knows who he is) got hurt pretty bad but it coulda been alot worse. All I'm asking as a paying customer is that they make that landing safer than what it is. Not for me... for all quad riders. I was seeing Natalie constantly lock his rear brake and manuever his bike b/f landing to set that thing down just right. Not many of us on this site can do that. I doubt that it's going to get changed until someone or more than one gets seriously hurt.

Great input everyone. I think this has already turned to a more positive direction.

Our number at the shop is, 407-880-3171.

If any of the Sandmountain family would like to get a group of us together to come out and help please give us a call anytime. I would be more than happy to get some of the team riders out there. We could bring the quads out and go over the track one jump at a time.

Thanks Everyone.
ATP Racing

We hear all of you and my wife just went to bed because I wont shut up about it. So give us some time to get togther and we will let everyone know.
I talked to Dale for about a 30 min. tonight and about 2 hours to other people
we will do our best to find a happy medium. So of you think we dont care this site has great things to offer if you need to take a poll (those that dont think we care or if you think we take to long) then do so no hard feelings this is what makes thinks work. All of this gets to my family and we do talk about it. Thank you all.........

Thank you for taking the time to even read an consider some of these issues that everyone has brought up. For myself being a business owner, that says a lot for your family. It shows that you do care about what your doing.

All of my crew will contiue to come to Sandmountain as long as you will let us in the gate, lol, and if we can help make it grow, we will also do what we can to help

Thanks,
ATP Racing

OK!  You know Im gonna throw my .02 in!  
We were out there for the very first race Sand Mountain ever had! And have been to almost every event out there since!
We were also very involved with helping give ideas about building the TT Track and very involved in promoting it publically!  These are the nicest, most modest, and family valued group of individuals I've ever seen as track owners!  They will listen!  

The MX track is very big!  And it is very challenging!  Its very hard to build a track to suit both quads and dirtbikes!  The thing we have to remember is that it is very lucrative to service both!  And when you've invested the kind of money that Dale has (In building the track and fighting to keep it open) you definately want to maximize your return. I can promise you, he hasnt come close to doing that yet!  Its also very hard to service both quads and dirtbikes!

So, this is my suggestion!  Because the track is so big, there are portions that could be bypassed, and there are portions that could be added! That way you have the ability to still have the track the way it is for dirtbikes, and still not have to necessarily change too many things!  Ive seen this work wonderfully in the past for other tracks!

Any comments on doing that??? :)

I must agree that you are the nicest track owners that me and my family has ever met.  We have a ball on the TT track and my son just got his first trophy there.  It is special to my family like it is to many others families.   The bottom line I believe is MAINTANING the jumps and making the STEP-UP landing a little more user freindly or maybe allowing you to double it instead of tripling it. 

Example:  Gator Back cut  its famous Elevator jump from 110' to 70' to make it managable.  Whats the point of having a jump that only very few can make and the rest die trying.  Its landing is flat on top and not a peak to get over.

Example:  Hardrocks water tower  can be doubled. tripled, or bypassed altogether.  This way everyone has fun on the same jump.

Expample:  Waldo's Mnt Waldo has a 30' to 40' step up but the landing is not so steep and is around 100' to 120' long.  The step up at SM could be made to be the same by pushing dirt around and I promise 90% of riders would make it.  Your hang time is still the same and just as much fun.

Every other jump at SM is fine if you just took care of the faces a bit more.  The overall track is fun just very rough.  Last time there were pot holes the size of man holes. 
             
The bottom line is RTR is right, its impossible to make everyone happy.  Dale has   a valuable investment into the track and I agree that he has not seen that back yet.  If you agree to make small changes than great, if not thats ok too.  You know what your customers want  nothing else needs to be said.                                             

Im completely satisfied at this point to know that the sandmountain family is definatly considering our suggestions! it is the 2nd closest track to my house(bithlo is the closest) and that is why id like to see some changes. my son is 6yrs old and will soon be looking to ride a bigger track but as of right now i will not let him on a track of that caliber. however with a few changes i could possibly be spending alot of time there ;)


COULD SANDMOUNTAIN BE KNOWN AS THE PEOPLES TRACK 8)

You guys are crazy, and for sandmountian being the people track, If they try that their crazy. Their head will be spinning around until it blows up. :banghead.gif :cursing.gif :K Just my 3 cents.

I would like to start out by saying that SandMountain has done a great job at running a non-drama track(that is until Dreth decided he is god of the mx tracks).I am tired of everyone complaining,you guys are going to shut these tracks down by trying to bury them in requests.I also know that the track is alot better than most of the tracks in this area and they are more supportive to all of us.Everytime i have been out there it was more quads than bikes.Everyone needs to back off of these guys.If you don't like the jump don't hit it!You are not the mx track authority and do not have the right to point fingers or threaten these in anyway-The only people that will not enjoy themselves or kill themselves are those that ride stupid!!!!And if you realize that you are going to shut down the welcomes we have for quads-trust me we goto tracks that don't want us there and it is not fun!!!! I vote for a new mx king and please just stop with the complaining!!!!!!!!

 



I think your a COWARD! Nahh, I KNOW YOUR A COWARD. A real PUSS... You create a false profile to call someone out so that noOne knows your real identity ::)   .

im glad you finally realized that Iam the mx king! and as king i sentence thee to a lifetime of eating my dust :R  as for your vote............you dont get a vote! you lost that vote when you created a new name to say what you are not man enough to say on your own. now go to your room like a good little girl :lecture.gif














Sandmountain would not be crazy to please people at all! in fact, it is in their best interest to listen. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, lets see, do i want 50 riders or do i want 150 riders? thats to easy, $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$! cha ching :Fp

First of all to you Dreth-only in your mind are you the King-You are not the best rider and your opinon is not that of all of us just you and your believers.Ithink that you are trying to do what you did with Sunshine,I don't like so i am going on here to keep everyone alse from liking it.That is real sad!!!You should just stay quiet.I did not see Natalie or Farr crash on it-so that means it is not impossible-just because you and one other person messed up on it does not mean it is unsafe and that is the only jump that is impossible the whole rest of the track is more than makable.On quads-So maybe your problem is you are not as good as you think you are!
I did not want this to be personal and the only reason i mention your name is because you are the one who started all of the complaints and ultimadums.I just want to be able to ride at places instead of being forced to ride trails and yoou and your clan keep bashing these tracks then that is what we will have left-they said they would look at everything and make a judgement your ultimadum was not warranted.I hope you see what i am saying and at least give the track a break-you guys can call me whatever you want-i only replied to this because i am pissed off about your lack of respect to sandmountain-i also know that people that i am friends with on this sight will get blamed for this and treated like crap so i chose to not let that happen-i have seen you guys do it and i am going to keep it from happening to my friends on this site.If you think calling me names is going to make me upset then you are wrong,call me whatever you want to just leave the track alone-they are happy to have us there and if you don't like it don't ride it!!!!!

And by the way Dreth,
    Nice post and if you new anything you would know that i am a new member and only read this site before.I used to enjoy seeing the posts of how people enjoy the
local tracks but you could not do that could you!
    They might make money if people who can ride would say good things about them
or maybe even people who are not so good but ride there would say these things in a polite way or if a complaint privately-but then i guess if you were any of the person you claim to be then we wouldn't be going back n forth would we!!!!!!!!
    Last time i checked you don't own this site and The track has never done you wrong-you just can't ride so you go on here and make stupid comments because you had to watch a real rider hit the jump you can't!!!!!!

there,
is that personal enough for you-you guys are really going to bring our sport down!!!!

i dont see the track going from 50 people to 150 just because you change the big step up and if you change the whole track to be set up all for quads then youll lose the dirtbike riders so youll still be at 50 what they need to do is keep up on watering the track which last time i was there they did a excelent job at that the watering truck was out every couple hours.

didnt i tell you to go to your room little girl :Clap.gif

Alright who's got the beer and popcon.  I looks like someone's alittle insecure about their identity.   I wish he would get some big brass one's and man up. 

I already got through half a bowl of my popcorn ;-)

Id@

ida mann you are the man! hahahah i love the hat hahahaha keep them comming!!!!hahaha

I loved that hat,,,,lasted me two years before it started to fall apart,,,,can't ask much out of a hat you got free at Margaritaville for new years huh?

Maybe I'll find another one and glue it to my helmet.

Id@

i would like for yall to see how I , dreth, single handedly shut down sunshine mx

http://www.atvflorida.com/forum/index.php/topic,2609.0.html

with my mighty hand

http://www.atvflorida.com/forum/index.php/topic,1759.0.html

looks like this is starting to get personal and that is pretty sad. we all love doing the same sport and we should stick together and try to figure out a solution to the problems. I have read all the posts and I see where some changes could help. The main change would be the landings. It does not matter weither you ride 2 wheels or 4 if the landing were beter it would help both parties. As far as the faces  they are going to get rutted up from both and it takes a lot to maintain. I went to the track the first day it opened and yes is was a little difficult, but as time went on they have made changes to help. And I am sure SM will continue to make changes some for the good and I am sure some for the bad. And that is why we are all here to let SM know what we think and feel. SM has come a long ways in a short time and that takes a lot of effort. They have devoted all of their spare time and I'm sure $$$ into giving us all a place to ride and I would like to thanks all of them for that. We need to focus on the good and not the negative. As far as THEDEMON if you can't say what you want to someones face don't hide behide someone elses name. I am not saying that Dreth is the KING but he damn sure tries alot of things the rest of us have not. It looks like he knows what he is doing. And if you ask him for advise he would gladly help you in any way he could. That is my .05 4 now.

Wayne..

you hard-hearted so and so you.

Id@

i believe that was all i could dig up of me trashing sunshine mx but............................i did find this!

http://www.atvflorida.com/forum/index.php/topic,570.0.html



now who is doing the trashing? looks like some 53yfz450 guy! maybe you thought that i was that guy! hes the one your after

dont you dare put blame on jake! that is not him and i know that for a fact! i dont even want to hear anything about jake ever to come out of your mouth again!!!!!!!! >:( jake is an innocent kid with a great attitude and great work ethic!! you can only wish you kid is going to have the same charcter as jake!!!!!! i have been watching what has been going on this thread and now you brought me into it when you brought jake into it!!!!!! you better watch your effin mouth!!!!!!!!!! >:(

 and is this mr. yz85 himself saying that a jump has trouble written all over it!

http://www.atvflorida.com/forum/index.php/topic,8027.0.html

scroll down till you see a quad all crooked in the air.

the way i see it is sand mt is there the way the owners build it so if you dont like it then dont go they payed to build the track the way they want and if anybody wants a track set up totally the way they want then open your own track i hate parts of alot of tracks but thats the way it is and i have to deal with it and in the end it only made me a better rider.

im saying that jump has bad luck ritten over it cause it was a picture of jake hiting a jump there and hes tottaly side ways and crashed so please stop puting words in my mouth.

Hey Dreth-are you that dumb-The way i see it 53yfz450 is one of your fans so  why are you blaming him for my opions-like i said the reason why i posted the way i did is because of the way you do things on this site-I AM NOT 53YFZ450 and i think you owe him an apology!!!

more popcorn.....

Id@

i didnt blame anybody for anything! i just posted a link for everyone to see who wrote what!!

as for me watching my effin mouth................................i believe that your the one with the potty mouth :dunno.gif

i never said you were 53yfz450! i said that it looks like he is the one that was talking bad about sunshine mx.  i dont even know who 53yfz450 is!!

your right! it is personal now ;D

i no that the motocross maverick is a real nice guy but whenever i post something you (dreth) has to act like your opinion is the only one that matters so i cant say the same about you.

53yfz 450 talking bad about sunshine! ya right! then how is it that he and i ride sunshine every wed and sat! we must not like it to much right! get a life and befor you do all your research you should know what you are talking about!!!!!

if you will click on the above link and READ you will see the facts.

hey ida mann throw another bag of popcorn in the microwave this could take a while!!

IM SORRY ! IT WAS HIS DAD TALKING TRASH!

 Re: Sunshine MX, Voice Your Opinion, I Did!
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2005, 10:46:20 AM »   

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The reason why we say that is because all of the things in that letter are over stated and some down right lies-that was the point of the last comment-For the last 4 weeks 12 or more atv's have been showing up-(paid atv's) and she says 7-9-she does not groom the track and she states that she grooms it every thursday,she says that nobody pays attentsion to the track and thats why people get hurt-well if you groom the track then people don't get hurt-she does not pay extra for insurance-one premium one policy-that does not change because you add a day of buisness and lots of other things in that letter and to top it off-this weekend she didn't even have the flaggers flag the atv's-she told them not to bother and she has never had flaggers on fri night-that is why!! I am tired of fighting with people who don't do anything to help but get on this sight and tell everyone how to do things or i told you so-sorry for the rant-just really fustrated that there are people and places that are still acting like they are in grade school-
BY THE WAY THIS RAPTOR350's dad

facts! fact of the matter is you dont know your a$$ from your elbow! because i know the facts personally! that is a litte more substanital than your little post you drug up!!! you can go on sunshines site look at the races and you will see that we are there frequently!

be mindfull that mods are watching, watch youreself on the language.

Id@

what the heck is all this crap about me. >:(

i posted something about sand mountain on what they need to change and did not call no one out and my name gets on here.

i dont know and dont care who thedemon is and would like everyone to stop talking about me.

i never talk bad about any one on the site (even raptor700r and honda250ex) and my name pops up like i talk bad about people everyday.

i get back from riding all day and coming home to share what i did today and i look and my name gets on this arrgument. im not going to talk bad about anyone and would like the same in return.

P.S. thanks eric for backing me up you always where a good freind.

What I think is sad is that one COWARD has brought out the worst in all of us... Including myself. Here we are a few of us trying to look out for the safety of the rest of our ATV peers and it's being construed a whole different way. Myself, I love SM but I mostly ride their TT track. I could care less if I ever rode their MX track again in my life. There are 3 other tracks w/in 20 miles of my home. I think for the most part the majority are asking for changes b/c we don't want to see peeps getting hurt. I've ridden w/ Jake and he's Damn good! I rode w/ him at Mulberry with a broken collarbone then and it took some good riding just to get around him. The kid is good but I don't wanna see him get hurt at the expense of jumping on a step up that is not exactly safe. But hey... Like I said if you wanna continue risk your health by making that jump then goodluck.

If I recall this thread was started in an effort to help the situation and all of you have turned it into a childish rock throwing joke. It should be deleted....


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thanks alot, adn i hope to ride with you again. i will be at bartow tomorrow. 8)

I BEG TO DIFFER! This thread layed dormant for 2 days until thedemon reared his ugly head!

waaaa cry us all a river!!!!! :'(

 :N To much reading, I need a beer break!!!!!

waaaa cry us all a river!!!!! :'(
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dont cry me a river! he is the one with the ugly head :M

I for one have been encouraged to go to SandMountain,,,,I more than likely will not go on the MX track,,,but that's because when it comes to any MX track, I'm a wuss and I admit it,,,,however I think the TT track is calling my name.

now I sit back with more popcorn,,,I'm not gonna need dinner tonight if this keeps up ;-)

Id@

 :-\

Dont make the KING get on here and sort you boys out! 8)

The quality of conversations need to turn in the other direction so here it goes!

SM will and has made promises to listen!  But I promise you that it is discouraging for them to read stuff like this!  there are several ways to accomodate everyone!  This IS their first time, you know! 

All of your suggestions have been taken into consideration.  They will make changes.  But they wont make everyone happy.  For the ones that want to keep the track the same, It wont hurt you guys to have it changed a bit!
For the ones that do want a few changes, you are the ones that are more concerned about safety! Not the ability to ride the track faster!
Safety is a huge conern for the SM crew, so dont worry, they will address them!

Now, on a lighter note!  Has anyone seen the front of my quad!?
I didnt think so!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)

IDA, bring your but out! Im tired of hearing you talk about it!!!!! ;D

I can't belive this thread has turned into yet another hijacked someone bashing someone off topic mess. I started the thread for a PROFESSIONAL place for everyone who has concerns about a track to post their ideas.

If I must say this, if there is a bad apple to post in the bunch, then let it be. The bigger person is the one who over looks a bunch of junk typed on a keyboard and makes useful posts about the topic.

If everyone cant keep on topic, Iwill have the thread deleted and you all can ramble this useless nonsense else where. START YOUR OWN THREAD !!!!

TO: Sandmountain,
 I hope you will overlook some of the off topic posts and see through to what it was all about in the first place. I will say this, if you guys dont move so much as a grain of sand, my family will come to your tracks as long as the gates are open and we have a few dollars in our pockets to get there.

Keep up the good work !!

ATP Racing

I BELIEVE WE WERE






YOU MEAN LIKE THAT ONE!!!!


To all who have had to read this garbage I do appologize! Those that know me  already know that was way out of my character. To those that dont know me, well, if you did, then you would not have said the things you said!  I was very offended by thedemons remarks towards me! I never made ultimadems or demands or said anything bad about sandmountain! I just asked for a few changes that i felt would make the track safer for inexperienced riders. REGAURDLESS of any of that I still should not have responed to thedemons remarks towards me and for that I am sorry once again! 53yfz450, trx9, 74 yz85, and motorcross maverick I also appologize to you as well because you got caught up in the crossfire!

Sandmountain Family,
                        Like you already know from my PM that was sent I am sorry if this has caused you any greif. MERRY CHRISTmas to your family!

Now whos the MAN .  Merry Christmas everyone and please be safe.

Wayne

Although I've never been to Sandmountain, I think we should hold a group ride there. Get people of all skill levals there ranging from the everyday guy on the site, to the fast guys on the ATP race team, and see if we can get everybody happy. An expert quad rider will make any jump that an expert dirtbiker will make, there are circumstances, but for the most part is true. Thundercross used to have some big jumps, but all were do-able, and guys with stock suspension could make them, but the track was still able to please everybody! You guys up for a group ride at Sandmountain to try and help out as a community?

http://www.atvflorida.com/forum/index.php/topic,9470.0.html   ;)

Ahh, thanks for clearing that part up, guess all I gotta do is show up now! Let's get some more replies in the group ride thread! Enough arguing, we're all on this site for one reason  8)

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     Re: John Natalie Jr rips up SandMountain today...
« Reply #111 on: December 23, 2005, 10:46:49 PM »   

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My son is the one that wrecked on the step-up Sunday.  We were training with John.  The nasty messed up arm was not broken?  He did break his neck though.  He can finally move his hand and fingers.  He made a couple of laps on Wed. and then needed to hit the ice packs.  I would like to thank the Sandmountain family for everything they did for us this week.  These are some of the nicest track owners I've ever met.  Donny Banks is another.  He gave us Echeconne for the weekend to practice.  The owners of Sandmountain were amazing.  They asked what needed to be changed or refined on the track.  They told us to take the dozer and change anything we wanted.  We will help make some changes when John gets back next week.  Thanks again to the whole Sandmountain family.  Thank Kyle for riding with my little ones.

No hard feelings Dreth, I like people with a strong opinions even if they don't agree with mine. I didn't know you that you got hurt out there either. I think were just going to wait and see what SM wants to do and except their decision.    Merry christmas everybody!! :Hug.gif

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Thanks Dreth for posting the accident.  He has no problem with SM at all.  My son has hit the step-up hundreds of times with no problem.  He was doing the BIG triple in the front before they changed it.  He still cleared it as a single to table.  He came up about 2 inches short on the step up on Sunday when he was training with Natalie.  The problem with that jump is not the landing, it is the take off.  The take off is to steep.  When he crashed, the bike bottomed out on the take off and scrubbed to much speed.  That is the same problem on the big single to table in the front.  We race nationals and that jump is not any different than any other big jump.  If you can't clear it, then don't jump it.  He needs big jumps like those to get ready for the nationals.  He doesn't blame the jump, he blames himself for coming up short.  The owners of SM are the nicest family we met in a long time.  We went back out during the week to train with Natalie and my son was back on the bike to help heal his injuries.  Please don't think bad thoughts about me for allowing him to ride with a broken neck and mangled arm.  The broken neck is not life threatening and can't damage his spinal cord.  The doctor said resume (normal) activity ASAP to help with healing.  She knew that this was normal for him.  Natalie is helping him train to hopefully become national champion someday.  John says only after he retires though.  Anyways, back to my point.  The owners of SM asked for my sons and Johns opinion on the track and what needed to be changed.  We have several ideas and they were very open.  They even gave me the keys to the dozer so John could change whatever he wanted.  When John comes back to Florida this week, we will be out training and try to make some changes for everyone.  Just remember, you can't please everyone.  What John and my son are capable of doing and what they are looking for in the track may not be what everyone else is looking for.  Do know this, the owners of SM are GREAT people and they have spent  a ton of money on the track for US.  Please be patient with them.  Help them help us.  They are listening to all of you.  I made them aware of some of my concerns, like some of the take offs and landings.  John and I will do our best to make some changes.  Thank you listening to me ramble on.

Everyone keep in mind that that this track is for all and we ask for everyone,s input we talked about this yesterday with the whole familly we just want to hear all that ride the track to tell us what they think. We dont expect to make all happy but we do hear you and some of you that are new think we dont. We moved the cars to TT off weekends that is anothother day of work for us but some of you told us they mess the track up so it is done. Anyway we at Sand Mountain hope you had a Merry Christmas we will be there to talk none of us are unreachable some of you have our cells and our home numbers and there is atvflorida.com and our site. Thanks for everything. Sand Mountain Familly       

Mr. Your not for real are you, Letting your son ride with a broken neck and a mangle arm. You better take a good look in the mirror and ask yourself is it really worth it. Letting your 15 year old son risk his life, and your doctors story is a BS story, because no doctor would say that.  look back at your first post on this topic you said he's just getting feeling back in hands and fingers. Rome wasn't built in a day, and either was your son. I can't believe nobody on this site replyed to this. Remember your sons a B rider he shouldn't even be trying these jumps yet. I already lost a friend to a A.T.V. accident in 1994 RANDY HOWARD.  I don't want to see another rider go.    And SM your crazy for letting this kid ride there so soon.

Those jumps at SM are no more difficult than some of the jumps at the nationals.  He was hitting them on a 300ex.  He has hit and will hit any jump that one of our pros will do.  You are only as good as the people you ride with.  It is always best to ride with the fastest people in the country.  How are you going to get where they are if you don't do the things they are doing???  My son knows his limits and I believe in his talents.  Most of his past injuries came from the silly things that you never expect, not the big jumps.  Like I said before, that jump is very easy.  I blame myself for not having the rear shock set up correctly and he blames himself for wrecking.  Thanks again SM for all your support.  Great job!!!!

I can't believe nobody on this site replyed to this.

Nobody replied because its none of our business!

That is my business Jacka$$ because if he wrecks into me because his hand goes numb from a lack of feeling I'm going on a butt kicking spree,  Want to sign up!!!

Wow brother!!!  The name calling wasnt quite called for!  Thats OK though,  Im sure you will have a good explanation for why you did it when I ask you about it at the track!!

DONT WORRY THOUGH!  ILL ASK NICELY!!

Im not much of a butt kicker! ;)  But if your starting a list, then put me at the top!!  I might be able to give it a try after we talk!!  Im just a little wimpy guy!

Hey brother, just looking out for myself and other riders. Shouldn't have said a stupid remark like ( because its none of your business ) think before you type. Other than that I was cool, sorry for being a little to tough. ;)

Why does that make him a dumba$$??   He only gave his opinion.  My son is at 85% after the wreck and is trying to get to 100% for the first race at Glen Helen CA in one month.  He is 110% commited to his goal.  He knows his limits and comes off the track when his body has had enough.  If you have ever watched him practice then you know he practices alone.  He makes sure there is no other riders around him.  It shouldn't matter though because he is ONLY A B RIDER and you should be way ahead of him.  What does only a B rider mean.  There are alot of very fast B riders.  He would run A in 2006 but he only started racing in Oct 2004 and lacks some experience.  He has along way to go yet.  Hopefully with alot of hard work, Natalies training and the help of great track owners, we can someday bring a national championship to Florida.  I was practicing SM last week with him, my 11 and 6 year old and they were all jumping better than me and I was on Natalies old bike.  I admire all of you that can do those jumps. 

Anybody  seen  my  beer ? :S  Bunch  of  the  Short  Bus  crew  will  be  there  sunday.  Stop  by  and  say  hi ! ;) ;D

Will do brother!  ;D  You bringin' your quad to race or ride!?

Might  try  out  GASGASMANS  KTM  550  and  see  how  it  does. :o ;D

Sorry to let you know Rodney Gentry, Carey Jones, and I brought home national championship for florida check your history.  I wish you and you son luck but becareful, injury's are for ever sometimes. I screwed my back up when I was 16 year old kept on riding thought I was superman, it caught up with me though. Cost me my riding career back then. So I'm just saying becareful don't do a time table it will never work.  :dunno.gif