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I purchased a quad off of this site a little over a month ago.  I bought it from "seminolewind" and I paid him $4600 for a 2005 TRX450R.  I paid it all by paypal in three payments.  I picked up the quad on 10/16.  I drove about three hours north to meet the guy.  When he got there, he said that he had forgotten the bill of sale and that he would get it to me immediately...along with the manual that he had forgotten at home.

Well, on November 1st, I received a PM from him saying that he had been out of town and he needed my address and he would get the bill of sale out immediately and as soon as he received the title, he would sign it and send it to me.

Well, I have tried to contact him many times with no response.

Someone please advise what I can do!  I need a title or something.

Please!

Mike

You dont pay over the web. I'd go to his house if I were you. Call the cops in his town.

He lives like 7 - 8 hrs away...but that is a good idea.

Mike

Here is his info incase any of you know him.

Mr Bones please help!

Mike

Something interesting that I found...

 
 Vehicle Information Check 
 
 Vehicle Information
     
 Vehicle Identification Number:  xxxxxxxxxxxxx  (not showing this) 
     
 Year/Make: 2005 HONDA
 
     
 Previous Title State:   
     
 Registration Expiration Date:   
 
     
 Title:  92832348
     
 Title Issue Date: 04/06/2005
 
     
 Odometer Reading/Status:  0
 
     
 Odometer Date:   
 
     
 Color:   
 
     
 Vehicle Type: OFF-HIGHWAY
 
     
 Title Status:  ACTIVE
   
 Owner Information: 1 owner 
 
 
 
     
 Brands:   
   
 
 
 Lien Information
         
 Name: GE MONEY BANK  Address: 332 MINNESOTA ST STE 610   Date: 03/24/2005
 ST PAUL, MN 55101-0000 

i would go to his house and call the cop becouse he still owes on that bike enless the bank hasnt updated the state that he paid it off or he just took your money and didnt pay the bank.

To late now,but when you met him and he didn't have a bill of sale,you should have written one on a peice of paper and had him sign it. If he didn't pay off the quad and you call the police they may take it and let the bank repo it. Not sure how that would work. 

Moto, I hate to say this but you may be losing your bike. He still owes the bank. He probably didn't pay off the bank and doesn't care because he already has crappy credit or the note is in someone elses name. The bank will be loooking for the quad to repo and will report it stolen. Granted, That is worse case but it looks like it's heading that way.

I would contact the seller and in a polite voice tell him that you really don't want to have to drive all the way to Pensacola to get this cleared up. Maybe if he thinks you're serious he'll take responsibility.

Something I learned is to never meet anyone and buy anything. If you meet them somewhere to buy something and you do not meet them at their house you never really know where they live. He could have stolen the quad and you purchased it and do not have a clue as to who he really is or where he lives. I purchased one and met the person at a parking lot to make the sale much easier for the both of us and come to find out it was stolen. I did get the guy arrested because he tried to sell me another one after I found out but I still did not get my money back. I would almost say that the quad is not his. Another thing is that you can get the vin. number and run it through FDLE to see if its stolen but in my case, I did that but the owner did not know that it was stolen until a week later because she had it stored at a relatives house so that does not always work either.

Thanks for everyones help.  I ran the vin and it is not reported stolen and I have had the bike for over a month now so if it was going to be reported as stolen you would think that would have already happened.

Mike

Just to let you know, the FDLE site only searches in FL i think.

it sucks that people would scam someone like this i dont even look at a bike unless they have a title but hopefully you will get to keep your quad.

Mike this is what i have found so far.

This is where his work number was traced to.

Molino Office
213 W Garden St
Pensacola, FL 32502-5728
(850) 434-2735

It doesnt do you any good now but I bought my Rhino from a guy in Ga. he only had it a few months and at the time new ones were hard to get. I took him 2 cashiers checks. One made out to him and one made out to the leinholder for the payoff. That way I knew the machine would be paid off. I also picked it up from his house and we made out a bill of sale.
  I had something similiar happen to me a long time ago and I know the sick feeling it gives you. Good luck, hope it works out for you.

Well he Pm'd me.  And the stuff is in UPS headed my way.  He shipped the manual, bill of sale and some other stuff he had for the bike, so it seems all is well.  He said he still hasn't received the title, but that is understandable!

Thanks!
Mike

That sounded like it was going in the bad, but I'm glad it worked out for you. In the future, never take anything from anyone without writing some kind of bill of sale. I sold my car to an associate of mine and he disappeared for three months without a trace. I had to file a small claims suit against his mother cause he put the car in her name. But if I didn't write out a bill of sale, he coudl've screwed me out of the deal.

Lesson Learned     -     *etching this in my brain!  ;D ;)

Mike

Sucks that there are poeple out there who have to operate like this at other people's expense.  They say buyer beware.  I hope it all works out for you in the end Mike.  Did you sell your 250R, or am I remembering this wrong?

Thanks!

Yeah, I sold the 250r but I see it every few days.  :'(  Its such a beaut...although my 450r is looking pretty sweet now with the new LT suspension. :P

Mike

good deal..happy it worked out for you.... 8)

Well, so far.... ;)

Thank you everyone for your help.

Today I received, by UPS, my owners manual, a motion pro twist throttle and MY BILL OF SALE!!!  He says that he should have the title in the coming weeks as there was a little more owed than he was told.

Thank you again!
Mike

Hey motomike thanks for putting all my personnal information on the site I appreciate it. I told you I had some personnal problems going on but you bashed me anyway on the site I told you I would send you all your paperwork but you couldnt wait instead you trashed me on the site, for everyone who reads this the bike is not stollen the reason he has not recieved the title is I sold him the bike for less than I owed on it and I still have to finish paying it off.

man just relax....no one called u a schmuck......
 
           he was just alittle worried
                 
             
   
                  if the you were in his shoes you would be too.
   
                            merry christmas
 
                                                       
                                                        bluesman

You should have been up front with him with the situation in the beginning, I think you both learn a lesson on this one! ???

Sorry it had to go down like this and sorry you are so upset. 

But let me break this down for everyone...I PM'd you and emailed you on the 13th of Nov because I had not received anything and you said on Nov 1st that you would get it right out.

I again PM'd and emailed you on the 17th and I had been calling you for over 2 weeks with no response.  I felt I was being ignored.  Not until I posted this on ATVFL did I receive anything from you.  On Nov 19th I received a response from you saying that it was going out by UPS.  I got everything a few days later and was very happy that it finally worked out.

Now, I will say sorry that I did not remove your personal information sooner...to be honest, I completely forgot that I had posted it or I would have removed it as soon as I got your PM on the 19th.  I have now removed it as it does NOT need to be posted on the internet.  You have to understand, I picked up the bike on the 16th of Oct and didn't receive a tracking number for the stuff until the 19th of Nov...that is over a month and a little long.

I am very sorry about your family problems, as I expressed in my PM, I feel for you as I am going through a similar situation with my wife's grandfather.

Please understand, this was not an attack on you or way to "bash" you on the internet but I was very concerned that I had a stolen bike OR you took the money and ran....which as I know now, is not the case.

Thank you!
Mike

Happy to see things worked out!...now pics of the quad?

Bump...just in case.

Don't want this thread to get removed due to inactivity.  I am still waiting on the title but per seminolewind, he only owes another $200 and he will be getting the title.  I explained that I needed it asap because I am going to either sell the quad or trade, as I have lost interest in sport quads.

All I have is a bill of sale, what rights do I have?

Mike

You've got to be freaking kidding. This bum still hasn't sent the title. If it were me, I would be traveling up north and  getting this settled.
You have absolutely no leg to stand on whatsoever. If the loan is not paid off then the bank will come for the quad. Your only chance is to pay the bank the $200 and get the title. Then take it out of his hide.

I don't think the bank will go after the quad especially for 200 bucks they will go after the name on the loan papers.

We'll see  ;)

I think it should be a crime to sell something you have if you don't have the title IN HAND!!! Im not saying this guy is scum of the earth, but its pretty messed up of him to sell it and not pay off the loan right away. Seems to me that YOU are helping him out of a mess he got into by financing the quad and selling so soon.

I'm thinking it was kinda dumb to leave the site of the sale without some sort of title or reciept of sale. You did get a reciept for he money you gave him right?

Yeah, I got a receipt (bill of sale) a few weeks later.  Well, here as of late he has been very fast to return my PM's so I am happy about that.  He said he will pay it off on Monday and I will get my title.  Can't wait...

Thanks for all your help guys.

Mike

Most decidedly an informative and eye opening lesson for all.

So, where is my award for "Idiot of the Year, 2005"?  ;)

Mike

Still haven't gotten the damn title!!!!  I am so pissed right now!!!!!!

Mike

Nope

This guy is a joke. A man is only as good as his word, and this guys word is worthless. You need to get the cops involved or something.

I sold stuff on e-bay for a while.If you paid via paypal there is Buyer Protection to some extent.It may be to late but if you file a complaint & the guy has money tied to his paypal from bank account CC or other they may withdraw the funds & hold them while the dispute is settled.If not this time hopefully there wont be a next!

Good Luck

If you paid via Paypal, buyer protection would not help you in this case (unless you purchased this at the time), you can dispute these transactions though. If he has some or all the money in his paypal account (which is doubtful - but worth a try) it is very simple to do and it would be very easy to recover your money.

Log into your paypal account and click the resolution center tab and then click the link to "file a claim" and follow the instructions.

Other options (well financial ones) depend on how you funded the paypal payments. If it came from a bank account - or was transferred from someone else's paypal account then the above action is all paypal can do for you, if however you funded the paypal transaction via a regular credit card, you can initiate a chargeback through them too.

I hope this helps, if you need some assistance with this you can pm me anytime.

Paul_S

I filed a complaint with PayPal some time back and they couldn't do anything.  If I don't get it soon, I am going to take him to court.  I have all of the documentation from conversations.  I told him today that I was going to take him to court if I don't get some action and he then replied.  I have PM'd many times with no response, now he says, it take 30-60 days for the company to release the title, but assures that it is on the way to him and he will overnight it to me.

Mike

FYI, it is absolutley against the law to sell a vehicle/machine whatever with a title that has a lien on it...When you go the DMV you sign a waiver stating their are NO liens of any nature on the said property.Check it out.I'm 110% positive..

FWIW, I purchased a vehicle from a member on here(QuadFaja) and he had to pay FAR more than this kid had pay on top of it to settle the loan.He did it right off the bat...Ya gotta be careful...It's your problem should they flake out.

On the other hand, it does take some time for the banks to "get around" to sending a title out that is paid off..They could careless.You could call for verification though..piece of mind at least.

If someone selling a anything and they do not have the title because a bank or finance company has the title, then the business in posission of the title owns the quad. The person with the bike, but not the title has no right to sell the bike. They do not own it, whoever has the title owns it.

I just went to the tax office and registered for title 3 quads. The one I got used from a guy recently. The very first thing that happened on the DMV computer was a pop up on the screen asking for the date that the lein was paid off.

When and if this guy ever gets the title, he will also get a letter from the finance institution stating that the loan or lien has been paid off.

YOU NEED TO GET A COPY OF THIS STATEMENT FROM HIM ALONG WITH THE TITLE. Also, you will not be getting a title, but a "certificate of origin" from the manufacturer. If he does not send you this lien paid off statement, you need to request from him the date it was paid off.

As you have the loan company info and this guys name, I suggest calling them and explaining your situation. I doubt they will come after the bike, but will get on this guy or advice you.

Teej

It only took 2 weeks to get my new title for a boat that I bought used. NEVER EVER leave a situation without a written bill of sale, you can write it on notebook papare & it will hold weight. If it were me I would have met him at the bank or the Honda shop he bought it from & you could have made sure of the payoff & title to be sent to you asap. You said he met you halfway, well that extra tank of gas isnt looking so bad now. He may be telling you the truth, but the price you paid sounded to good to be true & now we all know it was. If it were me I would drive up there & pay the bank the extra $200 & get the title & write it off as a lesson learned. good luck. SEMINOLEWIND, get the man his title, he didnt meet you all that way with that much cash to get hosed by a liar. Make it right.

Still nothing, this guy has some nerve man!

Mike

Mike, go with the court. It is the only way you may get anything out of him.

seminole wind:

       last active : feb 15, 2006

        last post : nov 27, 2005

it sucks man. still hoping it works out for ya. better late then never.

gery350

Got the title today!

Mike

Its about time!!! lol;

I have been reading your posts on this topic on here.
At least, all this hassle is done for,and you can enjoy riding your quad for now!!

I won't even buy a quad on ebay,I rather buy it byowner or at used atv dealer
nearby here.But I'll check into titles next time i buy a quad.

Thanks, for posting this great  wonderful topic on here
and  next time i'll  buy used quad check into for bill for sale,so i won't fall into traps.  :deal.gif :wink.gif