ATV Florida Forum

the grizz family informed us this weekend that they are leaving the site. the reason is they have been recieving negitive personal comments from another member on this site. feeling like i do as it takes 2 to make an argument they chose to leave the site than to make a big deal over it. this in my opinion is bad for the site as the grizz family helped bring a lot of enthusiasm and interest to the site especially during the rodman rides. how many miles of trails did they help open up after the huricanes last year? they helped with the clean up day at rodman and have promoted the site as much as anybody and way more than most. how many people have they helped out on the trails? the grizz's are not the kind of people we want to be leaving the site.
i think an effort should be made by mr bones, the moderators and every member that they (the grizz's) have befriended on this site to get them to come back. i also think this harrasment should stop. its one thing to harras some smart mouth punk but not someone thats trying to make a positive impact. i talked to them about this all day saturday but couldnt change thier minds. maybe if they here it from more of us it will make an impact. i'm done.

jeff

i hate to see them leave the site, they are such nice people.  please come back

They will be missed, Would be great if we could get them back though

I agree 100% w/ what jjamesbar has already said.  I'm some what new to the site and have had the opportunity to meet and ride w/ the Grizz's.  They are great people who always have positive things to say.  We don't find them in the middle of the rest of the drama that's been going on lately.

Losing them is a great loss to our family.  Please help to bring them back!

Man that sucks they are awsome , fun loving people and I allways have fun when riding with them. I will miss them

I had the pleasure of meeting them last weekend and enjoyed talking to Mamagrizz. Hope to ride with them again.

ditto,wheeliedad

wow the mods should see whos been bothering them and ban them. The seem like good people

What he said!

I asked Mama Grizz why she was leaving and she named name(s). If the mods want to know, they can contact me directly and I'll tell them what she said.

I don't know what happened but I have not met a nicer family, they are great people and add alot to the sport. Don't let anybody come between you and the friends you have made here Claude, I have strayed away from the site lately due to the BS and just now heard of this. I truely hate to see you go but I do understand where you are coming from. Next time you come up to ONF let me know I have a blast ridin' with you guys. You should reconsider leaving the site, I think yall are liked and respected by the majority of the people here. Hey Budman you need to stick around Too. It's a shame that it's the good people that lose in these situations. Hope to see you guys on the trail.

Mark

Ive never met them in person, but on the site they have always been very nice and helpful.  I'd like to see them back on the site, hopefully they'll still come back if we solve the problem(s).

rl.

keepem coming guys. the mods know the deal from what ive been told. i want to see the issue resolved.

jeff

Again I couldn't say it and better.  I agree!

I can remember when I first joined this forum, Claude was the first member to welcome me. I was green, just bought my first bike and knew very little about the sport. Claude answered a lot of my questions, showed me the local riding spots, and our families have been riding and camping together ever since. When the personal attacks started, I was out of the Country for almost 3 weeks and was out of touch with what was going on. By the time I got back, the damage was done. I was shocked. 

There are no bigger advocates for ATVFlorida.com than Claude and Marjory. They have flags, banners, signs, stickers and anything else you can imagine all over their trailers, ATV’s and more. They have done so much for so many of us. Strangely, they have also done more than any Moderator or even the Site Administrator. They are the ATVFlorida poster children.

I made a choice to stay out of all the childish behavior on the site and hold myself to a higher standard. So did Claude as he refused to lower himself to the level of his attacker. Even now, attacks are still being made and we see no action from the Administrator of this site to stop it.

I am watching several of my friends, Grizz, Mama Grizz and Budman, be driven away and it upsets me. From the posts being made on this thread, it is obvious that many others feel the same.

So, I encourage everyone to join in and help me with this appeal:

Mr. Bones, where are you? Get involved. Forget your Moderators, some issues have to be dealt with by the boss. This cannot be delegated away. You know the problem, solve it and encourage Claude,  Marjorie and Budman to come back. The health of your website is at stake as everyone sees the deterioration. Claude and Marjory do not deserve the treatment they received, they have earned your support many times over and it is time for you to act.

Gerald     

I am glad that I can add my 2 cents in on this thread. When I joined this site a couple of years ago there was never any bashing of any kind going on. The site was informative and showed alot of pictures of great riding areas through out the state ( most of the pics were from the Grizz ). I have since gone on some of the group rides with the Grizz's and I can tell you that these people would give you the shirts off there backs. You cant find nicer people anywhere. I think the person responsible for the lame and hurtfull comments should stepup and be a man and make the well deserved apologies that he needs to make. I just hope that the Grizz's will come back and help make this site great again. Because without them it wont be half as good.

BONES YOU NEED TO FIX THIS!!!!!!!
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thats realy sad to see them go i herd about how nice they r and wanted to ride with them hope u guys come back

please dont let people bother you guys
you guys have been great!!!
 
             mr bones  plz do something??

I will say the same as above.. the grizz family really are some great people...

on the first rodman ride we went on, not knowing anyone reallly just from there post on here
my son got seperated from us and stayed with grizz, no doubt grizz made sure that he got back to rodman without a scratch for that i will never forget,,,,!!!!  Thanks to grizz again.

Great people and a big lost to atvflorida.com

seems to me when they added the different catagorys for threads thats when most of the sh&t hit the fan.....

Ditto, I met them only once but they have contributed greatly to the sport and this site. truely an asset

I MET THE GRIZZS FOR THE FIRST TIME TIME LAST WEEKEND THEY WERE AWESOME. THEY WERE KIND OFFERING PEOPLE FOOD, WATER AND WOULD TALK TO YOU LIKE THEY HAVE KNOW YOU FOREVER.   THEY WILL BE MISSED

It sucks that people can be so mean in this world. I hope the Grizzes come back. I have not met any of them but have met most of you all and that is good enough for me. 

Someone needs to correct this immediately! 

first mike and now claude and marjory......it's sad times for atvflorida...

thanx for all ya'll have done for the site...and for me personally.....

i'm not sure what else to say.....all this kinda has me in shock.

Come back Grizz's!!!
(THE RESPECTED MEMBERS OF THE SITE)

Very Sad  :'(
Don't let anyone run you off....STAND TALL....That's who you are!

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This site isn't about get caught in the middle of some family fued. If threats are being made to another user, I suggest you call the police. I'll cooperate in any way I can by providing user information to the best of my ability. I have not seen any threats posted publically or any evidence of such a thing. Simply PMing me that you think someone did this or think someone did that doesn't give me much to go on. I investigate and find no evidence to the accusation so nothing is done. If I act without evidence then it becomes very easy for someone to manipulate the system and it would be better to ban both parties invovled. I don't want to do that as it seems unfair.

A lot of this so called "drama" pops of from users trolling and trying to bait others into a flame war. I found this great article on this topic that can help identify this situation.
http://curezone.com/forums/troll.asp (http://curezone.com/forums/troll.asp)

Myself and the moderators of this site have put in place a warning system and 3 strikes and your out rule for unruly posts and offending users.

I tried to install an Ignore user option to help with the situation but it was incompatible with the forum's latest upgrade. I can only wait for an update for that modification.

A number of users keep posting about the down turn of this site. Sorry, but I don't see it. I see 200 new users and 15,000 posts monthly with this number growing every month. I see 14 pages of items for sale in the classifieds that's all posted for free. In the Photo Gallery I see numerous groups rides with people having a blast and many more planned in the Group Ride & Events section. The Where to Ride section is packed full of locations along with the Croom GPS map I posted that's an interest for anyone on an ATV. Plus, an Ocala map is in the works. All the other setions not mentioned are full of great threads for us all to enjoy and participate.

So lets get over and move on from these types of posts and enjoy it for what it was and still is, a place for Florida ATV enthusiasts to share ideas, plan rides and talk about good times, past, present and future.

i agree...

Please come back grizzes...it's because of people like you that I'm here.

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more drama = more hits...........more hits = more advertising revenue......

Hmmmmm, Isn't that what he does for a living?  >:(

Thanks Mike, my point exactly. Who cares what people are doing to each other.....hit count is up!  >:D

You simply have no idea what it takes to manage almost 4000 people and be expected to fix, find or delete everyones post that feels they were targeted.

Budman,

Don't you insult me saying I don't care about the users of this site, because I do, deeply. I have been working on this site everyday for 3 years and will continue to do so even when my hands hurt so bad I can hardly type from carpal tunnell. Riding and working on ATVs and motorcycles is the only therapy I have for this condition outside of surgery of which I want to avoid at all costs.

So consider this a warning to you to stop personal attacks that you perpetuate all by yourself of which you said you were leaving the site for in the first place.

If you and your neighbor get into a shouting match do you call the police to come and moderate your disagreement? No.  Grown mature men can talk to one another and work things out. I don't think it is the moderators job to handle these issues either. I was not privy to what happened to the Grizzes but I hope they do come back. A moderator should be here to cut out the cursing and make sure the site is running smoothly. They are not referees. That is my take on it.  

Most bulletin boards do not allow personal attacks on members, and have harsh penalties to deal with abusers:
You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, adult material, or otherwise in violation of any International or United States Federal law.

I'm gonna chime in here like it or not. This site has certain outstanding individuals that contribute to different aspects of OUR COMMUNITY!!
GRIZZ, DRETH< Bones<Ida DA_MTG etc etc....and I can go on. The Grizz really enjoys this sport and he and mamma are kind enough to share there experiences with us. That's not taking in to account all the help he (THEY) have given when needed to we individuals. I don't know what was said but it must have been pretty bad for an easy going guy like the Grizz and mamma to walk away. Who else shares they're experiences up in the snow and all over the US. Who ever made the comments needs to make a public apology and maybe delete there account. Or maybe we need a POLL god forbid. Bones your correct this site is growing, but maybe it needs a little guidance. I would think that mamma and grizz are watching to some extent what's going on and for all of us that REALLY REALLY APPRECIATE there presents and contributions would like to know what was done,said or threatened. The MORAL MAJORITY seems to agree. WTF I do everything I can to help ANYONE weather I know them or not to help in ANY way possible with what ever. This is total BS. Getting over it and sweeping it under the carpet does one thing, like politicians, it quiets everyone down.
I FOR ONE WON"T stand for it. With ALL RESPECT BONES (because you have helped me) help us keep them or get them back for OUR SAKE. Every site has stars like a great football team. And we just traded off  two great players to epees a few.
CAN I GET A HELL YEAH?????????
I was so happy for the Grizz's when they got the new bikes and looked forward to seeding them ENJOYING THEM. NOW I'll BE LUCKY TO RUN IN TO THOSE GREAT FOLK ON THE TRAILS.
IF THIS OFFENDS OR TICKS ANYONE OFF TOO d**n BAD,  :gr
WE are adults and it should have been worked out. Maybe it wasn't one incident maybe it was all the childish stuff that has been goin on. That's what Yahoo or Msn or AOL are for  NOT HERE.
THIS IS ATVFLORIDA A FAMILY SITE!!and I love and apprciate this site. Many of you helped me through some very very hard times lately and I thank all of you for the support, you know who you are.
Even if there is irrepairable damage done the concerned members desere to know.
If this was a paying site it would be different but posting here is a privlage. 
IF YOU DISAGREE WITH SOMETHING ITS NOT PERSONAL, CHANGE THE CHANNEL!

Mr. Bones, I know this is off topic but surgery is not your only option for carpal tunnel.  Check out a chiropractor. Whether you believe or not it often times does work.

Hey thanks. I'll check it out. I've got plenty of back problems, too. I don't jump my ATV nearly as much as I used to since it only aggrevates it.

Or you could try the old glaucoma medication route.  ;)

Hummm.....something happened here :o





PAIN PILLS Mr. Bones  :ThumbsUp.gif

i dont want to be mean, but im pretty sure there was a sticky about "thread hijacking", and from what i understand that means getting off topic.  so lets get back on topic. somehow we've gotten way off.

MrBones and the moderators can only do so much, if its threats that are coming from a user/multiple users on the website the grizz family should private message mrbones and have him banned, and ask for the IP and ISP (internet service provider) of the user(s).  With that information you can call the ISP (or the police) and if you provide them proof you can get the user(s)'s personal information, and sometimes even have their internet canceled for violating the ISP's AUP (acceptable use policy), depending on the situation.  With that information i would then call the police and file a report or whatever needs to be done.

If its offsite threats, but the user just happens to be on the website, MrBones and the moderators can't do anything about it, sure they could ban people just for the heck of it but thats just not right.  So unless the personal threats are being made using the ATVFL forums then they can still only do so much about it.  MrBones and the mods aren't police, they cant take the guy to jail for threatening people, they can only ban them and provide very little information.

Dont get me wrong i think the grizz family are nice people.  I'm just saying what i know.

rl.

Just coming in late on the whole storm but seems like its more like online
Jerry Springer lately.I know there is no way humanly possible to police all
of site.Folks let get back to basics why we all enjoyed this place.Love of
riding and people of different backgrounds and social status who loved the
same thing.All the threads  on  political and religious and personal lifestyles
have just about ruined it for me.As for the Grizz and family anyone who
has never met or interacted with them you should.I met Claude at the LMK
ride and camped next to him and the guys.He had just met me and in less
than 20 min made me feel welcome.Also great guy to drink a cold one and
fire up the grill with.It is a sad loss of such an open hearted giving person
and caring family.As well as representative of how we all should be toward
each other.Shame to lose members like them do to some @#$$

WOW!!! This seems like quite a hostile place for being an  ATV discusion forum.

We are in the process of changing that. Bear with us.

did you read the thread, AT ALL?

rl.

not looking for any drama on this thread just would like the grizz's to know they're appreciated by most members of the site. this is a great site and the "members" help keep it that way. if it wasn't for us ya'll wouldn't have anything to moderate.  ;D

jeff

I hope they dont let a couple people ruin their experience on ATVFL.  Have them get the IP(s) from MrBones and report them to the police!

rl.

 not sure it needs to go that far but both parties involed should mend thier differences and move on. even if they agree to disagree.

jeff

Which forum was the Grizz harrassed on.  I can't find it.  Was it through private email on here or what?  If it was on private email I can't even believe were talking about it.  I've never met the Grizz but he sounds like an outstanding person for all the things he's done for the ATV community and by his posts on here.  He will surly be missed and I hope he comes back.

I'm with ya too darryl, We all had a great time then, Claude and Marj were (and still are) very nice people.  Hopefully, the bad apples will drop off and we will keep all the good ones, not the other way around.  I hope they reconsider, as they will be missed.

For old times sake, Claude in action....  :)

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I can't believe the GRIZZ is leavin. We will miss you man. We need you man. We love you man. Every ugly old woman I ever dated left me and now even an old goat has left me. I guess a mans' gotta do what a mans' gotta do. So, I guess I will have to go to your BIRTHDAY BASH this weekend and help you celebrate your birthday and drink your beer.               HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO THE GRIZZ

  MAN! I miss all the good people!
  If someone has access to the Grizz.......tell him I
said "Hey" (He'll know what you mean).
  Hope to meet you someday Grizz.....with all the good
things said about you....you must be pretty cool (or 
you know allot of liers). ::)

I wondered why I haven't seen his posts in a long time. That sucks, when I first joined the site the Grizz was king, and still is!