ATV Florida Forum

Ok most of you know me. Im 15, 16 aug 3rd. For the past year i have had my heart set on a pre 97 f250 powerstroke diesel. Well today mone of my coworkers had a lil 4x4 yota pick-em-up truck. We loaded that things bed down full of broken concrete to haul. It had to go up a hill to. That thing pulled it like it was nothin havin the arse end saggin. I think it was on 33's. Not sure. Now for the dilemna. Im thinkin hey this isnt to shabby of a lil truck. Im gonna be getting a truck but im not sure if i should go fullsize or not. Im sure before im 16 ill pass the 6 foot mark. Will i be cramped in a yota? Should i go with a fullsize truck? I am going to be mudding, trails and what not with it along with hauling the quad. So give me ideas on trucks to get, and WHY. No "get the ford" type of responses. Have at it.

I have had both. I love my full size truck. The only down side is gas mileage. A smaller truck will be easier to feed.

think of gas man the way they r now the yota would be great

I've seen those yota's go through some serious stuff.  They run forever and like everyone else said the gas mileage will be much better.  It would suck to have to spend all your spare time working to afford the gas on a bigger truck.  You have your whole life ahead of you to get something bigger when you can REALLY afford the expense of keeping it up.  I say go for the yota and if you don't like it then you can always move up.

you said you want a truck right? then get a chevy.

prices can go down in a year.

rl.

Also, sicne i was in a hurry to get that post done ill give you my reasons. I wanted the F-250 because its a "mans truck". A yota seems like a lil pos mexican transporter(racism not intended). The f250 being diesel means the older i go and the more miles there are the older you go, the miles wont matter as much as on a gas engine. A diesel will run well over 300k and the trucks im looking at will be at about 150k.

Also i dont want posts like
Ford-First on race day
or like "Dont get a chevy, can hear every valve rattle on long extended road trips."
Please
 Thanks in advance,
    Kid

I love having a full size truck, but the gas mileage is killing me right now. Im getting about 12 miles to a gallon. but when you think about it, most mid sized trucks get about 17-18, and dont have near the power or space of a fullsize truck. To me it's worth the 5-6 mpg to have the space and power of a fullsize. not to mention the sound of my chevy 350 with glasspacks.  ;D

You just have to decide which you would rather have power and space or better mileage and less room/power

Mans truck? thats funnies thing I've ever heard. I mean, it is a tuff truck, infact my brother who is a marine has one. but Dude yotas kick ass. Plus your a kid, remeber You'll probaly end up wrecking..

dont go with a diesel i saw it cost 3.50 a gallon. I am acutally considering getting a toyota lifted pickup. What do you type in as the modle?

Diesal was cheaper then the cheap gas a month ago, so don't go by what the fuel costs. I'd say go with whatever the funds can provide.

Also, there is no "spending limit." I will save how ever much i need.

i wanted a big truck and we got one and my mom drove it to the mud pits and she let me drive in the mud and it was fun but the gas is a pain and when u got a big truck u brake stuff faster  and it cost more we sold it but my mom has a 2wd yota on 33s and its a nice truck its a 2002 its the v6 its realy cool it has good room to but my dad is 6,4 and he is cramped in the back and its kind small for him if i was u i would go for the yota and if u keep care of it it will last u a long time

Sorry bro, but didnt even bother to read after i didnt see 1 period!

You need to think about maintanence and upkeep. Anything can go wrong with ANY 150,000 mile truck but if you have a diesel and something happens, get ready to pay Diesel prices for parts and labor. If the injectors or any other major parts go out you cannot work on it and its gonna cost ya. Then it will cost more for oil changes and services also. Twice as much oil and other stuff. If you let it run out of fuel,(because you are young and may not have much money) You will need to prime the system to get it going and may not know how to do it. If you accidently put gas instead of diesel in it (It has happened many time, even to people who has driven them forever.) Get ready ti junk it or buy another engine and Diesels are far more costly then Gas engines.

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That's a tough one, LMK.

I had a Toyota pick up. Great truck. Runs forever. Cheap to fix. Great mileage.

BUT...

The Ford has gobs of torque, lots more room, and when you wreck (you WILL wreck it), you'll have more protection around you. I'm no Ford guy, but that Powerstroke is a great motor.
I also had an older Suburban diesel with 250k on the odometer. It was ALWAYS something. Radiator, water pump, brakes, wheel bearings, and when the trans had to be rebuilt for a grand, enough was enough. But man, I could live in that thing it had so much room.

I have a F350 diesel and its great but if I was 16 though and wanted to ride quads I'd get the 4x4 Toyota. They are bullet proof trucks and will treat you right. If you buy a older powerstroke and the turbo, injector pump, transmission, etc go out it will cost you a years worth of part time pay to fix it.

yea i agree im 15 on the 8th and im trading my bigger truck for a jeep and a quad because that truck eats up some. gas and its too hard and also for mudding\ the big truck will do it but u dont wanna baja it down a trail because its too heavy..

but its all ur peronality pretty much i think and what u like..

well then, i guess the real question is, when i get to be 6'2 or bigger, will i be ok? Will my knees be hitting the steering wheel? Also since i know ill wreck, what is the safety of a yota like? Thanks for all the serious responses.

one of my buddy's had a toyota. he's 6'2" and he loved it. drove cross country with it and never had a problem. he sold it to another one of our friends who is 6'5" and that guy still drives it. 1992 toyota 4x4. i needed room for the family so i got the dodge quad cab with a 6' bed.

I was fortunate enough to get a full size chevy pick up with 90k on it. It will definitly go over 200k. Maintainace is key on the life of anything you have. Yoda's are nice trucks, i would love to have one, but im not going to trade my truck for one. smaller trucks are good for really woody trail riding and trail blazing (as long as they have torque and enough weight) trying to get my truck through some tight trails has cost me quite a few dents and scratches, but hey, its a truck. get a yoda, have fun off road, beat it up a bit, THEN get a fullsize and take really good care of it. Those trucks hold up like you wouldnt believe. Anyway, good luck with whatever you get! You'll like either one.

I am around 6'4" and i dont fit in the toyotas too well. I could drive one but near as comfortable as a full size. I got 98 GMC Z71 with only 50000 miles on it. Just keep looking and you will find something you like. I wouldnt make up my mind because you might find something you didnt think of. Just look at all the possibilities.

I'm 6'3" and I would say go with the F250 Super Duty Crewcab Power Stroke Diesel. I love that truck and plan on getting a new one soon. Toyota does make a dependible truck, no doubt, but I find them too small for my height, plus with minor mods to a Power Stroke Diesel you can spank stock Mustangs and Corvettes while trailering Quads. I know this from experience  :)

THis is a very good point something that I think YUNT2 and I can agree on, If you drop and injector in a Power stroke or more commonly if you have a High pressure oil pump the pump alone is $800.00 dollars so maintance is the key if you still consider a diesel

Also on the Duramx diesels the injectors are 700 a piece and there are 8 of them so thats 5600 for the parts alone. My dad has had to replace his twice, fortunately it was under warranty but the next time they go out it wont be.

The injectors were expensive when they first came out but the cost of them has come down quiet a bit. I don't think there no where near that now.

The first time was over a year ago, thats when he got that price. The second was just a month or so ago. Dont know what they are at now.

You have to be very careful when buying a used diesel. You have to think what people do with those trucks. They usually haul heavy things (trailers, bikes, horses) which puts a lot of wear and tear on the mechanical parts of the truck. Diesel parts are also a lot more expensive.

if they were that expensive.... that honestly sucks for chevy people.... the diesel option from the factory is usually 5-6 grand... i dont see injectors costing that much.... hell... for the cummins (not chevy i know) you can get a whole set of injectors for $300-$400


diesels are awesome if you take care of them.... they usually don't have problems (well i know the cummins usually doesnt).... oil changes do take atleast a gallon or 2 of oil... but it lasts atleast 6000 miles... no spark plugs to replace... no spark plug wires.... no distributor... etc

i'm a big ford guy..... but i'd rather get a dodge because of the cummins engine...


do some reasearch on both vehicles.... you'll find that both probably have a fair share of problems... for now... i'd go with the yota... it will be cheaper(hopefully) which will allow you to have money to play with.... yeah havin a big diesel powered ford would be awesome(i wanted a 99-02 when i was lookin for a truck) but i wouldnt have any money to go out and do sh*t with.... get the yota... have some fun.... get out of school... get a decent job and get a better truck.... that's the way to do it.... cause you'll have fun the whole time (well except at the job maybe... lol)

Ok checked with my service man. The injectors on the 2001 and 2002 model Duramaxes have a 200,000 mile warranty and the 2003 model and up have a 100,000 mile warranty so it may be under warranty. There is a lot of work to replace all 8 of them but you should get another quote if it was $5600. I would need for them to figure all the gaskets and everything to get an exact figure. But first check your miles and see if it may be under warranty.

I would get the diesel if you have the money for it. If your going to take it in the mud i would get the toyata because why would you spend alot of money ona truck if your gonna take it mudding. Also maybe you should look at a 1500 or f150 because it would still get pretty good gas mileage and have alot of room inside it.

I can tell you from years of experience,the Toyota truck,if properly maintained,will be very dependable and it will last a very long time. If you want the best of both worlds(full size truck and Toyota reliability) you could consider a Tundra. The down side to a Tundra, as a first truck, is that even usedones  with high miles they can sometimes still be a little pricey.

Thanks for all the feedback, diesel is now out the window. Toyota is not riding shotgun. Now the question is, should i go manual or auto? Im in the city but im still tied between them both. My sister has a stick and i do fine in it. Its a celica but still.

I am 6'4" and drove my girlfriends Tacoma around all week last week. It had enough room, but wasnt near as comfortable as my fullsize chevy. I also think the cab has something to do with room. Hers is Ext Cab so it is roomier than a Single cab yota. Also if you are going to lift it and can't find one lifted the 1992 style yotas can fit 35" tires on 15x12 rims with just a 3inch body lift. Thats alot cheaper than lifting the Ford.  Get an AUTO, the standards are fun to drive, but they get old quick especially when on the cell phone or something.

Get a F250 but make sure it is a 2004 and up because it has 325 horses not like your 250 horses.

Sorry i cant have daddy buy my truck..........or my own business at 12 either. ::)

Why?

Cause we aint rich like dem white folks

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go with an auto truck.

right now I want a chevy z71 not the new one the older one like this.

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=189805160&dealer_id=56958220&car_year=1997&model=CHEV150&bkms=1128963107318&lang=en&isp=y&start_year=1981&certified=&search_type=both&distance=300&make=CHEV&min_price=1&address=34202&advanced=&end_year=2006&max_price=5500&cardist=185#vdptop

or this.

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=170468571&dealer_id=55204017&car_year=1992&search_type=both&make=CHEV&transmission=&distance=300&model=CHEV150&address=34202&make2=sel_one&certified=&advanced=y&max_mileage=100000&max_price=5500&bkms=1128963399357&min_price=1&end_year=2006&color=WHITE&start_year=1984&drive=&color2=&isp=y&engine=&doors=&fuel=&lang=en&cardist=173

I like the two door better even though the 4 door is more useful. I guess my friends will be sitting in the bed along with the machines. Do the z71s only come in 8cylinder?

what about a ranger, s10, dakota something like that
just an idea

I had a 90 Toyota p/u 4x4.  It had the 6-cylinder 3vz engine.  what a piece of crap.  they were known for blowing headgaskets.  in my case 3 headgaskets, each time the motor overheated, and 3 rebuilds resulted.  if it had a different motor, I'd probably think differently because everything else about the truck was fail-proof.

Something to consider if you're looking at the full size diesel, the new ones are getting almost double the mileage as a gas.  I know a bunch of guys with diesels getting 20-22 mpg.  But diesels hold their value...i'm told you can get 110% of the cost of the diesel option back on resale.

For your first truck and income you cannot beat a Yota. It will get the job you need done.