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Title: Survival/Emergency supplies
Post by: backinsaddle on May 19, 2005, 12:43:31 PM
Over the last few months I've been doing some research on survival/emergency gear.  I figured it's better to be prepared than to be stuck somewhere in the middle of the night with a broke down machine.  I've put together the following list of items that should help my family and I survive if we're stranded.

If you think I'm missing something, please let me know.  (And beer is not considered an emergency item, it's considered a necessity which falls under a different list  ;))

I thought about including one of those personal locator beacons, but their still in the $400-$1,000 range depending on the model.  Maybe someday when I have the extra cash.

I also have this list is excel, with vendors and prices, if anyone is interested.  Let me know and I'll email.  Or if you just want to discuss the list, send me a p.m.

Clothing      
Qty      Description      
1      Camel Bak HAWG w/3 liters water      
1      Camelbak Rain Cover S/M      
2      Military Jungle Hat-Blue      
3      Gloves      
3      Socks      
2      Rain Poncho      
3      Disposable Sunglasses      

Communication            
Qty      Description      
1      Make appropriate notifications of trip      
1      Leave note on Dashboard      
2      Chatterbox GMRS X1   5-mile range      
1      ChatterBox FRS     2-mile range      
1      Oregon Scientific All-Hazards NOAA Emergency Radio
2      Charged Cell Phone      

Fire            
Qty      Description      
1      Coghlan's Waterproof Fire Sticks (4)      
1      Windproof/Waterproof Matches in Protective Case
1      Magnesium Fire Starter      

Miscellaneous/Multipurpose            
Qty      Description      
1      U.S. Armed Forces Survival Guide edited by John Boswell      
1      Leatherman Wave      
1      Smiths Pocket Diamond Sharpening Stone-Med/Fine
1      Coghlan's Pocket Saw      
1      Pocket Chain Saw
1      Light-weight Axe or Machete
1      Texsport Action Adventure Gear Mini Pick/Shovel
2      Rags
2      Diaper Wipes package
2      Garbage Bags
2      Ziploc Storage Bags
6      Caribeners
1      Emergency Sewing Kit
2      Aluminum Foil
1      Rite in the Rain® Shirt Pocket Memo
1      Fisher Space Pen Co. All-Weather Writing Pen
2      Flat Pack Duct Tape
1      Tear gas
1      Gun
1      50' Parachute Cord

Navigation            
Qty      Description      
1      Garmin GPSMap 76CS       
           City Select North America
           US TOPO 24K National Parks, East
     Topo Maps-US Forest Service      
1      Star Compass      
4      GPS Batteries-Two AA      

Signaling/Lighting            
Qty      Description      
1      Surefire E2E Executive Elite  Flashlight      
1      Mag Lite -  2 AA's Flashlight      
1      Pocket Rocket 300' Aerial Flair (3)      
1      ACR® Hot Shot Signal Mirror with a float and whistle
1      Coghlan's Survival Signal Mirror      
4      Omniglow Lightstick 6 In      
1      ACR® C-Strobe Light      
2      Smoke Screen      
2      Flashlight Batteries-Surefire-Two lithium 123A 3.0 Volt      
4      Flashlight Batteries-Mag - Two AA      

Shelter & Protection            
Qty      Description      
1      Emergency Tube Tent      
2      Coghlan's Emergency Blanket 52" x 82.5"      

Food/Water            
Qty      Description      
2      Emergency Germicidal Drinking Water Tablets      
1      MiniWorks® EX Microfilter Removes bacteria, protozoa (including crypto and giardia), and particulate.      
1      Emergency Fresh Water Fishing Kit      
8            Weights, assorted
12            Hooks, assorted
5            Swivels, assorted
3            Flies, assorted
2            Jigs, Feather
4            Safety Pins, assorted
2            Safety Razor Blades
4            Leaders
1            Trotline
10            Bait
1            Bobber, small
2            Main Fishing Lines, 50', 50-lb. & 20-lb.
1            Tin Foil
1            Salt & Pepper
1            Fire Starter
1            Small Vial & Large Bobber
1            Instructions
1            Large Vial Container
1      Gill Net      
1      SaltPepper
     Tabasco      
     Beef Boulien      

Medical/Personal & Body Protection            
Qty      Description      
1      Atwater Carey First Aid Kit      
1            Latex Gloves
1            Small Gauze Wrap
1            Compound Benzoin Tincture
1            Medical Tape-1/2" X 2.5yds.
1            Tweezers
4            Ibuprofen - 200mg
4            Acetaminophen - 325mg
1            Diphenhydramine Hydrochloride Antihistamine 25mg
2            Triple Antibiotic Ointment Squeeze Package
1            Povidone-Iodine Ointment 0.05oz.
6            Benzalkonium Chloride Antiseptic Towelette
1            Wet Prep Green Soap Sponge
2            Small Butterfly Bandages
1            Sting Relief Medicated Pad
4            Small Bandages
6            Medium/Large Bandages
2            Large Butterfly Bandages
2            Curad Telfa Covers Large Surface Cuts
6            3X3" - 12 ply Sterile Gauze Pad
           First Aid Instruction Book
1      The Extractor for Snake, Bee, Spider and Other Bites      
1      Ace Bandage      
6      Excedrin Migraine      
1      Pain Killer      
4      Zantac      
5      Razor Blades      
1      Waxed Dental Floss      
1      Lotrimin      
1      Vaseline      
1      Sunscreen      
1      Lip Balm      
1      Zinc Oxide Sublock      
1      Dial Antibacterial Small Soap Bar       
1      Toilet Paper      
1      Tampons      
1      Ben's Max 100 Insect Repellent (Lotion)      

Tools/Parts            
Qty      Description      
1      CruzMetrix      
           6 Metrix Allen Wrenches
           32" Mechanics Wire
           12mm x 13mm Open End
           14mm x 15mm Open End
           8mm x 10mm Open End
           6-in-1 Reversible Screwdriver
                 Small/Medium Phillips
                 Small/Medium Straight
                 8mm/6 or 7mm socket
           8" Adjustable
           Cable Ties (Assorted pcs.)
           Electrical Tape
           Spark Plug Gap Gauge
           6" Vise Grips
           Permatex® Threadlocker
           Plug Socket Straps
           Shop Towel
           WD-40®
1      PackWrench™ 3-Way T-Wrench -8mm, 10mm, 12mm
1      Fuel Line 4'      
4      Spare Spark Plugs
           1-yfz NGK 1275 CR8E  0.028-0.031 gap
           1-250ex NGK DPR8EA-9 0.03-0.04 gap
           2-Eton NGK 7321-BPM7A   (GET GAP MEASUREMENTS)      
1      Spark Plug Wrench      
1      Sand Paper-200/400/600 grit wet/dry      
1      Tow Rope      

Tire Repair            
Qty      Description      
1      Stop & Go Pocket Tire Plugger & C02 Inflation      
           Nozzle
           Tire Plugging Device
           (4) Steel Canisters containing 16 grams each of 100% pure high-velocity CO2 gas
           Probe Tool
           Reamer/Rasp Tool
           Allen Wrench
           (15) Mushroom Plugs (5/16" diameter shaft x 3/4" length stem)
           Retractable Razor Knife
           Extra Zip Lock Bag
           Tire Valve Adapter with brass fittings
           Instructions for use of CO2 inflation system
           Vinyl Zippered Pouch (8" x 5" x 1")
     Patches      
     Glue      
1      TirePro™ 2-Piece Tire Lever Set       

Hope this helps someone,

Mark


Title: Re: Survival/Emergency supplies
Post by: EDT on May 19, 2005, 01:13:46 PM
looks like a lot of gear to carry.


Title: Re: Survival/Emergency supplies
Post by: backinsaddle on May 19, 2005, 01:19:43 PM
It actually isn't that bad.  I have a fender mount bag that I carry the tools and heavy stuff in.  The rest is light and I carry in the Camelbak.  One of these days i'm going to weigh it, but the total package including tools can't be more than about 20 lbs.


Title: Re: Survival/Emergency supplies
Post by: Ida_Mann on May 19, 2005, 01:36:28 PM
I carry(when I carry)

2-3 capri-sun drinks
2 cans of slim-fast(dont laugh,,,lots of vitamins and a complete meal in a can)
1 small hatchet
6' cable lock(in case I need to leave the quad locked to a tree)
1 travel package of baby wipes
small first aid kit
GPS and two sets of batteries
1 mini maglite(2 AA size)
4 AA batteries
Nextel with two extra batteries

thats about it because if you think about it, in ONF where I ride, I'm never more than 10 miles from some kind of civilization where I could at least flag someone down on the highway if I was desperate.

Id@


Title: Re: Survival/Emergency supplies
Post by: 96 warrior on May 19, 2005, 01:44:18 PM
i take a leatherman and a pocket knife :o

if i where you i would take extra toilet paper and motor oil


Title: Re: Survival/Emergency supplies
Post by: gery350 on May 19, 2005, 01:46:57 PM
TRUSTY LEATHERMAN AND ROPE AROUND THE BUMPER.
OH AND SOMETIMES WATER.


Title: Re: Survival/Emergency supplies
Post by: backinsaddle on May 19, 2005, 01:54:31 PM
slimfast, cable lock, motor oil...great ideas.

already have toilet paper, they make those little packages of pre-moistened paper that leave you feeling oh-so-fresh

If you ever see me on the trail, you'll know it's me cause I'll be the one with the yfz450 gypsy wagon.


Title: Re: Survival/Emergency supplies
Post by: big-daddy on May 19, 2005, 06:05:20 PM
I carry a snap on tool box in my front rack and a pop up camper in the back rack. ;D j/k  :-/ Too much gear for me to carry on the quad. Big cypress is the worst to ride if you break down. an then a bring extra water, gas, bug spray and a tent, if I have to spend the night out there.


Title: Re: Survival/Emergency supplies
Post by: LakeMaryKid on May 19, 2005, 07:16:09 PM
im curious, how do you pack all this stuff on a YFZ!?  :o


Title: Re: Survival/Emergency supplies
Post by: Ida_Mann on May 19, 2005, 07:32:43 PM
I'm gonna throw the tent on my rack one of these days and go out in the woods for a night or two.

Id@


Title: Re: Survival/Emergency supplies
Post by: qt314nfla on May 19, 2005, 07:34:24 PM
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I'm gonna throw the tent on my rack one of these days and go out in the woods for a night or two.

Id@

Now that sounds like a fun trip.  Let me know if/when you do it.


Title: Re: Survival/Emergency supplies
Post by: backinsaddle on May 19, 2005, 07:44:52 PM
It's really not as much stuff as it looks.  I specifically choose items that were lightweight and compact.  I have a fender bag that's about the size of a kids lunchbox that fits the tools/tire repair and some of the heavier stuff.  The gps is a handheld that mounts on the bars.  The radios are helmet mount.  The rest of it fits in the camelbak believe it or not.  This stuff is all small.  All the fishing gear is in a container about the size of 2 d-cell batteries.  The tent is the biggest item, and it's about the size of a folded up magazine, the blankets are smaller than a cigarette pack.  Rain ponchos are cheap $.99 specials that will probably break putting them on, but they'll keep some rain out for a while anyway.  The first aid kit is a small one that includes all the items listed below it.  The pick/shovel would almost fit in a sandwich bag, as well as would the water filter.  sunglasses are made of card stock and dark uv film.  Each group of items below was put in a 1 quart ziploc bags with plenty of room left over, and then squeezed down to get all the air out.  So I guess theres 4 or 5 quart-size ziploc bags of items in the entire pack.  It fits.  you wouldn't think so, but it does.


Title: Re: Survival/Emergency supplies
Post by: CAOSPOP on May 19, 2005, 11:06:22 PM
Anyone every wonder. We ride in the woods a lot. If ther was a fire these things spread kinda fast! Back how about you add a fire blanket. And also would you keep this stuff on the quad all the time ? or do you have a way to remove it for the small ride ? I'll send you a pic of my quad see what you think of the back box.


Title: Re: Survival/Emergency supplies
Post by: devildog55 on May 19, 2005, 11:59:37 PM
i can uderstand the gun but tear gas and 2 smoke screens, sounds like your going into battle, mabye you should pack a flackjacket and kevlar. by the way what type of gun aare you carrying that fits in a camle pac with all that other stuff


Title: Re: Survival/Emergency supplies
Post by: stump66 on May 20, 2005, 04:41:49 AM
I think thats an inventory list for a Hummer in Iraque.
???

Oh and maybe I missed it after gun but is bullets there?


Title: Re: Survival/Emergency supplies
Post by: VForcedave on May 20, 2005, 06:01:22 AM
Im with you "66". If your riding with some buds and making time everything should be fine. Water and a rope. I do't want to think that hard when its riding time.  


Title: Re: Survival/Emergency supplies
Post by: backinsaddle on May 20, 2005, 07:55:32 AM
I don't carry all this stuff all the time.  Not local rides or when with the guys on a day trip.  I plan on doing some trips into the big parks in the near future with the family...i.e. hatfield mccoy and others.

I'm more concerned about my wife and young sons.  My wife never spent any time in the woods growing up, and she's really starting to like riding.  My concern is that we break down late at night in the middle of nowhere.  Without some way to keep dry/warm, she'll freak and never want to ride again.  Even at ONF, althought I may not be more than 10 miles from civilization, I'm sure not going to walk out at 11:00 at night carrying two kids in the dark.  What could start as a nightmare, hopefully will end up as a nice, peaceful night in the woods in relative comfort with the family.

As for tear gas and gun, serves a lot of purposes...protection, food.  Camping one time, we had a bear rocking our camper back and forth.  A little tear gas should scare them off, or anyone else not invited in the middle of the night.  Smoke screen is for signaling planes.

CAOSPOP, I'd love to see a pic of your back box.


Title: Re: Survival/Emergency supplies
Post by: CAOSPOP on May 20, 2005, 01:29:01 PM
i'll try and take some closer ones this weekend it plastic and its lockable !


Title: Re: Survival/Emergency supplies
Post by: Bigscrb15 on May 20, 2005, 10:05:38 PM
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1      Surefire E2E Executive Elite  Flashlight      
1      Mag Lite -  2 AA's Flashlight ......


Hmm, is there a reason you need a $95 flashlight and then a $7 one. Might as well get this one http://www.basspro.com/servlet/catalog.TextId?hvarTextId=55776&hvarDept=350&hvarEvent=&hvarClassCode=9&hvarSubCode=4&hvarTarget=browse lol.


Title: Re: Survival/Emergency supplies
Post by: CAOSPOP on May 21, 2005, 08:51:42 AM
I'm a flashlight guy i got 2 in my truck charging all the time.
I guess you can never have enough light when your in the dark.

About the pepper spray ? im not sure if it will work on an 800lbs animal ? Ive seen it not work on a 150 woman. UGLY sight i might add. but I guess it counldnt hurt. you can at least spice up the food with it. ;)

















Title: Re: Survival/Emergency supplies
Post by: SWAMP_DONKEY on May 21, 2005, 05:30:52 PM
4 cans of "SPAM"
2 tins of sardines
1 pkg crackers
2 cans of skoal
2 24 packs of BUD LIGHT

only kidding. thank you for some of those ideas B.N.S. I always like to be prepared but some of that stuff i would have never thought of.


Title: Re: Survival/Emergency supplies
Post by: stump66 on May 21, 2005, 06:39:19 PM
You forgot the MOST IMPORTANT!!!!   :o

ONE TALL DARK AND LOVELY
OR
SHORT SWEET AND CUDDLEY
YOUR PREFERENCE.
I LIKE GOOD THINGS IN SMALL PACKAGES,LOL  ;D
BUT THATS A PIPE DREAM CAUSE ME AND SWEETS BEEN TOGETHER FOR 28YRS AND I'M ONLY 43 Would never change a thing. LUV YA BABE!
BUT IF YOUR SOLO WHOOO HOOO!!!! THE WORLD IS YOR OYSTER, JUST RAPP IT BEFORE YOU ..... welll you know.


Title: Re: Survival/Emergency supplies
Post by: backinsaddle on May 21, 2005, 07:19:22 PM
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Hmm, is there a reason you need a $95 flashlight and then a $7 one.


Actually, there is.  the surefire is extremely bright, but only lasts an hour or so.  It's as bright as a 4-d cell battery, and is smaller than a 2 AA cell mag lite.  It's beam is focused very narrow as well.  Great for signaling at night...planes/helicopters, etc.  Not great as an all around light though, because of the short life.  The other thing about the surefire is that it's light is regulated.  it stays the same intensity throughout the entire hour, and then you have about 15 minutes of fading light.

The mag lights are great little indestructible lights that i consider all-purpose for setting up a camp and will last a fairly long time.

CAOSPOP-love the sig.  my philosophy as well.  as for the pics, if you have a name/model, I can easily look it up online, rather than have you go through all the trouble of pictures.


Title: Re: Survival/Emergency supplies
Post by: atvdad6 on May 23, 2005, 02:01:58 PM
one thing you forgot, under fire- that is awind proof lighter. It will light under any condition and at high altitudes if you buy a good quality one. They have adjustable flames which is great on wet windy cold nights. Be sure to buy the 12 hour glow sticks that way you have light all night in the winter. You can buy these for under a buck a piece at gun shows. Be sure to check the experation date along the side of them. Also if the foil seal has been broken they will go bad.


Title: Re: Survival/Emergency supplies
Post by: backinsaddle on May 23, 2005, 02:20:31 PM
thanks atvdad.  thought about the lighter.  most of the ones i seen were expensive, $60+.  Know of any cheaper ones?  

And i have the 12 hour glowsticks, good idea about the gun shows, it kills me to pay a couple bucks a piece for these.


Title: Re: Survival/Emergency supplies
Post by: Anoriginal on May 23, 2005, 02:48:20 PM
The best piece of mind is a sat phone. The are getting more and more affordable. I am currently narrowing my decisions on models and plans and expect to purchase one within the next 2-3 weeks. A good sat phone and a GPS and you are as good as home.

Combine the GPS and sat phone with some basic MRE's, water and matches and you are good to go. Nothing like being prepared.


Title: Re: Survival/Emergency supplies
Post by: backinsaddle on May 23, 2005, 03:05:20 PM
Anoriginal, if you don't mind, let me know what you eventually purchase and how you like it.


Title: Re: Survival/Emergency supplies
Post by: Bigscrb15 on May 23, 2005, 03:05:20 PM
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thanks atvdad.  thought about the lighter.  most of the ones i seen were expensive, $60+.  Know of any cheaper ones?  

And i have the 12 hour glowsticks, good idea about the gun shows, it kills me to pay a couple bucks a piece for these.

 I agree with you on the flashlight, I wasn't thinking about the short life span at the time. But if you are going to spend $100 on a flashlight, I think $60 for a lighter is well worth it considering it will keep you alive and fed.


Title: Re: Survival/Emergency supplies
Post by: devildog55 on May 23, 2005, 05:09:20 PM
the mre are a good ideathey never go bad. but make sure you eat the gum other wise you wont be going to the bathroo the hole time your stuck in the woods.


Title: Re: Survival/Emergency supplies
Post by: atvdad6 on May 24, 2005, 07:18:01 PM
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thanks atvdad.  thought about the lighter.  most of the ones i seen were expensive, $60+.  Know of any cheaper ones?  

And i have the 12 hour glowsticks, good idea about the gun shows, it kills me to pay a couple bucks a piece for these.
The best ones I have found are made by a company called windmill and they are sold by  Essential gear Inc 413 772 8948. They have an unbreakable viewing window in the center which allows you at a glance to know how much fuel remains. The cap has an O-ring which provides for a water tight seal I have 3 of them and they work great. They also carry a life time warrenty and only take 3 days to return it to you. Another thing I have found to be useful is a suture kit. They are a lot sharper  than the ones in your sewing kit and work a whole lot better. I know because a buddy sewed  my ear basck togeather in ONF on a camping trip w/ his wifes sewing kit


Title: Re: Survival/Emergency supplies
Post by: devildog55 on May 24, 2005, 10:11:11 PM
dang how did that happen


Title: Re: Survival/Emergency supplies
Post by: Anoriginal on May 25, 2005, 09:48:55 AM
Backinsaddle:

Globalstar offers some real nice packages that are flexible. The phones from most manufacturers run in excess of $500.00.

Iridium is another company I'm considering. It seems that the sat phone pricing and capability changes almost daily. It is getting more and more affordable. I'll let you know which one I end up with.

Devildog:

Yeah, those MRE's don't really lend themselves to normal digestive action.  ;)


Title: Re: Survival/Emergency supplies
Post by: atvdad6 on May 25, 2005, 10:57:17 AM
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dang how did that happen

We were canoe camping in Ocala and had gone to get firewood. What we would do is push over small dead trees, drag them back to the truck,and saw partially through them. Next we would lean the partially sawed log onto another log and jump on it breaking it in half. We would cut them into 4-5 ft lengths and load them into the canoe. The last branch that I jumped on had about a 2'' branch sticking out of it. When I jumped on it, the other end flew up and struck me in the head. The branch pierced through my ear and into the back of my head.  I saw stars for a moment. My buddy came back, took a look at me and said I think you need to go to the hospital. I was still in a fog  and asked why? He said your ear is split open and it needs to be stiched. We went back to camp and cleaned it up. I asked his wife if she had one of those hotel sewing kits w/ her? She did, so Mike handed me the bottle of Tequila-thats two sips for me and a splash on the ear to disenfect. Mike proceeded to sew me up using the white thread. I had kept ice on it until he started to sew which kept the ear partially numb.  If you look close, all you can see is a tiny scar


Title: Re: Survival/Emergency supplies
Post by: backinsaddle on May 25, 2005, 06:36:09 PM
atvdad6, thanks for the info.  I did a search, and seems you can find the windmill lighters in the $30-$45 range.  I'm going to add to the list.  As for the suture kit, I can sharpen the needle from the sewing kit with my sharpener.  Maybe not as good as a suture kit, but as you have proven, it will sure make due.  You reminded me of one other item to add: a couple shots of tequila :)

Anoriginal, thanks for the info, I'm going to check them out...and good to see you posting again.


Title: Re: Survival/Emergency supplies
Post by: VForcedave on May 26, 2005, 06:09:05 AM
Sat phone information: I work in the marine communication business and have contacts at Stratos in FT Lauderdale. CAll Cheri at Stratos and tell her Big DAve sent you. Get prices and service costs  for the portable handheld sat phones. They also have lease deal for extended trips. Her cell is 954-914-5489. They have the best deals I believe. Good luck.