ATV Florida Forum

The new paved Centennial Trail Head is nearing completion.  I will be working tomorrow to actually install the finishing touches and get it open for use.  It is located just south of FL HWY 40 on National Forest Road 13.  The old temporary THs will be going away.  The Temporary North TH (on FR09-gas pipeline) will close immediately due to the proximity of the new one.  The Temporary South TH will close probably in the next few months.  An idea is being kicked around to designate a parking/unloading area at Big Scrub campground to allow those who wish to park there to ride and only pay the rider fee, not the campground fee.  I will notify when that change is in effect.  Currently to park and ride at Big Scrub campground, you are required to pay the rider fee and the campsite fee due to occupying a site in the campground while parked.

I hope to do a Grand Opening on the new Centennial Trail Head on Saturday, April 28th, 2012.  I will be there to answer questions, check children for proper riding gear and certificate, and promote volunteer and visitor opportunities on the Ocala National Forest!
Please ask away if you have any questions and I will attempt to answer them in a timely fashion!  Also check out the Centennial Trail facebook page at www.facebook.com/pages/Ocala-Adventure-Trail-Centennial-OHV-Trail/215649611865753 (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ocala-Adventure-Trail-Centennial-OHV-Trail/215649611865753)

-Kris

I haven't been to onf since my son was born. I have a 4 year old and a Polaris ranger crew. Aside from permitting what gear is required. Last I was there helmets were not required on side by sides. Thanks

According to the Florida State Statutes, only the operator, if under 16, must wear a helmet, eye protection and over-the-ankle boots.  I would then assume that on a side-by-side, as a passenger, a child would be legally allowed to ride without helmet.  However, I advise strongly against it due to the unknown skill level of other riders and possible hazards you may encounter on the trail.  Ultimately it is your responsibility as the visitor to the National Forest for safety and knowing the rules.  If you would like to know exactly what the Statute says: http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0200-0299/0261/Sections/0261.20.html (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0200-0299/0261/Sections/0261.20.html)

I hope you do come out soon and that you have a great time!

-Kris

The New Trail Head, located on Forest Road 13 (old 588) just south of HWY 40 is now open for riding.  A Grand Opening will likely occur on April 28th.  The Fee Kiosk is in place next to the bathrooms and has all of the regulations, map, important info and other tidbits of information.  Please take a second to read the board before going out.
Also, prior to next Saturday's proposed "Grand Opening", I will be making an entire ride of the trail to clear any downed trees...of course it never fails, as soon as I finish, another falls the next day!

Please remember that "double-riding" is against the law and carries a fine, (unless your machine specifically states it CAN carry a passenger)!

Have Fun!
-Kris

Thanks a bunch. As soon as we can get some time off from work we will be making a trip

sweet..farther than croom but...my 6 yr old can ride his with the course cert right!

That's correct...certificate, helmet, eye pro, boots and let him have fun!
-Kris

so basically the same as croom then..we''re gold

Kris I just got home from a ride on Centennial and parked at the new trailhead and all I can say it is AWESOME !!!!!!!! I renewed my yearly pass and after seeing the new trailhead I am glad I did it. It is the nicest trail head i have seen in FL. Way to go Kris and your team.
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unless the weather is terrible on Sunday, I plan on riding the centennial trail.  Couple questions:
1.  I have been down 40 before and stopped at FR13.  I thought that was a trailhead with the bullitin boards but when I turned in one day I could not find the pay station.  Is this where the new trailhead is?
2.  How far down a dirt road do you have to drive to get to the new trailhead?
3. We usually park at the trailhead down the road from Big Scrub.  Is this the one that will be going away soon?

Thanks

Yeah, you wanna go down HWY 40 again and turn south onto FR13.  The new trailhead is now complete (minus a few signs).  If you have been on FR13 before, you remember it is paved for about a half-mile then turns to clay as it continues south to Big Scrub.  The new trailhead is on the left before the pavement ends...bout a 1/4 mile from HWY40.  The North temporary one on FR09 off of HWY40 is already closed.  The South one on FR09 will stay open for awhile (maybe 90-180 days) before closing it.  So, basically, the New TH on FR13 and Big Scrub will eventually be the only ways to access the Centennial Trail, barring any change in plans.  Hope this info is helpful.

-Kris

Zephyr,

Were you the one with the single truck and quad there on Friday?  If so, I pulled up with another employee to inspect the fee tube...the jets were flying over.  Anyways, glad you enjoyed the new TH!  Throughout this summer, I will be getting days to be on the trail to continue to groom it and trim it.  I have a few volunteers that will also be on it every week or so.  I hope to make the trail mirror the nice new TH is quality!  We have already trimmed a lot back near Big Scrub (about 5.5miles or so).  Its a slow tedious process to trim the way we are, but the reward is well worth it.  Please continue to come out and support us, and pass the word along.  I plan on being out at the New TH next Saturday the 28th with a lot of information and such as sort of a Grand Opening!

-Kris

yes that was me. and thanks for your hard work the fly by was neat

Just a reminder, the State of Florida Double-Riding law has been in effect since July 2008 and is enforced on the Ocala National Forest.  You are restricted to one person per ATV unless the manufacturer's plate on the ATV specifically states that you can carry a passenger.  An aftermarket seat alone does not qualify your machine for this exemption.  Please plan accordingly!  Being caught by an FPO or LEO on the forest more than likely will result in a ticket somewhere in the vicinity of $75...along with an end to your passenger's day.  We don't want to ruin anyone's fun time on the Forest so please know and follow the rules!

-Kris

The last time I was out there there were 2 A-10s doing straffe runs with there 30mm cannons.  It was freakin awesome

No to mention to safety factor of riding double. It changes the center of gravity and responsiveness of the ATV. Lets keep it safe at that will help in keeping the riding areas open

What is the best way to get to Big scrub coming from Jacksonville. Also, does anybody know what what the rules are for generators there.

You can run generators at Big Scrub until 10pm (quiet time).  If no one else is in the campground, or if you are far enough away from other campers AND if they do not mind, you may run them later.  Be a good camper though and check with your fellow campers.  If they complain after 10pm, the correct thing to do is shut it down. 

From Jacksonville, you will want to get onto HWY19 anywhere between Jax and Palatka and continue south until reaching HWY 40.  If coming from I95, continue south until reaching HWY 40.  From either you will want to travel west on HWY 40, past HWY 19 for about 5-8 miles.  Forest Road 13 will be on your left and there will be a couple Forest Service signs for Big Scrub.  If you pass the fire observation tower you have gone about a mile too far.  Turn left (south) on Forest Road 13 and continue for about 12 miles.  Big Scrub campground is on your right just before the intersection of FR13 and FR14.

For any other questions about Big Scrub, shoot me a message.

-Kris

we have been there and run them all nite ...no issues

weekends we have been invaded by people comin out to party...i dont mean people camping i just mea a bunch of people showing up at midnite being rowdy a-holes

if ya leave yer fire burning after you retire expect the sheriff to come beat on yer door..dont open it with a pistol and he wont give ya as much chit as he gave me at midnite

we rode up on a black bear sleeping in the middle of the trail once..that was cool..cept it was twice as far as we had to go to go back the way we came..but i aint messin with no bear...specially with a 4 yr old and a bunch of teenagers

gary

All I can say is wow! The new trailhead is awesome.  We rode yesterday and had a great time.  For the most part the trails were great except for 2 down trees that we could not move but were able to get over them.  The paking lot was a huge surprised being paved.  Kris, any news on what the new trailhead at big scrub will look like?  It was a great thing not having to wash the truck after riding. I'm sure FR13 will not be paved to get to big scrub. Living near tampa, I will defiantly drive the extra miles to go to the north trailhead.  A big thank you to the department of agriculture for what they do for us riders

Thanks for the info. I take it the main gate closes at 9 pm as specified on the website and do you recommend making reservations or can you just drive up and get a spot onsite. Have bears been an issue in the campground?

we personally havent seen em in the campground but on the trials...fox and coons in the campground tho

i think we need to ride the new trail...whats the mileage round trip..if i missed it somewhere../

It is around 47-50 miles. The wife and i rode it last summer while the kids were at the grandparents. It is a nice ride. We started at the north trail head, stopped at blue sink and just took our time. No (my thumb hurts) as the kids were not with us. It is enjoyable but several spots were kind of confusing due to missing markers. Highly recommend a GPS, water and spare gas can.

Hey Kris the sticker that is used for Kroom can it be used there at ONF? Do we have to purchase a different one? If so how much is it?

So, I've missed a few posts so I'll try and catch up.

Big Scrub gate stays open - Just show up, pick a site and put your cash or check in the fee tube. $12 per night.

No bear issues in the campground in a very long time - there is a Food Storage order in effect, you must store your food properly when not around it.  Has to be in a closed, hard structure like an RV or car, not your tent and not out in a cooler...this keeps the racoons, fox, bears etc from finding any food rewards.

The total trail mileage is just around 47 miles, the bottom loop (ScrubJay loop is exactly 20).

I am working to remark the trail where it is missing markers, however, take a trail map with you from the trail head and pay attention to the worn path and the markers that are up and you should have no problems.

Starbuc71, I was actually out there the same time you were, clearing trees.  Myself and an intern cleared the entire outer loop of  impassable trees, we sometimes leave the smaller diameter ones that are on the ground there as obstacles and to slow down rider speeds...as long as they appear passable by a novice rider.  Glad you enjoyed your ride.

Dieselbeef is for the most part right, although it is in the rules to turn generators off after 10pm, if they are quiet/or do not disturb anyone it tends to go on fine, if another camper complains of noise, it should be turned off if during quiet hours.

I have a meeting tomorrow to discuss improvements to Big Scrub, and I can say that GOOD change is coming, however I doubt paving is anywhere close to one of them.  We are looking into a parking/unloading area in the campground right next the trail entrance, but it takes a ton of "approvals" to get this sort of thing done.  I am almost certain a youth training area, some corralled sites, and a small day use area is imminent...oh, and a bunch of trees, finally!

I don't really know too much about a Croom sticker.  What the National Forest requires is that your machine be titled in accordance with State regulations...most have a square green sticker on the quad somewhere that we look for.  The most important is that you pay the operator fee of $10.  This is categorized as a special-use fee and does not qualify for any discounts.  We have to have this in order to purchase signs, materials, trail head improvements, etc.; as well as maintaining the heavy burden placed on trail equipment while attempting to keep the trail as smooth as possible and trimmed back.

Easiest way to have a good day on the Ocala is to bring some cash (enough to ride, camp or both), safety gear (required for children 15 & under), a good attitude, and just a small amount of time prior to your ride to read the info on the Kiosk Board.  Follow that board and there isn't much you can do wrong!

Thanks everyone for coming out and please spread the word.  The more use Big Scrub and the Centennial Trail receive, the more improvements I can make to it.  If everyone comes out often and brings friends and family, I WILL make every effort I can to make the Centennial Trail system meet and exceed its potential.

-Kris

yer awesome man...wish all the rangers were as cool. we were just talking this morning bout going to ocala...croom is alot closer...we do both...awesome places to go ride

pave smave..dont care bout the camping area be blacktop..really...we are camping...true we got a toyhauler but balcktop...fergetaboutit....

dont know when were gonna git up there but i hope to meet ya...sounds like yall been busy since our last visit last spring

gary

Kris Thanks for the taking the time to answer my question. I don't think I have the green the sticker that is required by the National Forest. I do have the bill of sales for all three of my atv's. I live in Broward County (Ft Lauderdale area) so pretty far hike to come there to ride and risk not able to ride. I would love to come there one weekend to check it out if somebody will assure me that I would be able to. I have "CASH" as said you to bring for camping and riding. If we need to make an extra donation I would be willing to do that too... If you can't let me know on the post I can be emailed at horacio.f.moreno@gmail.com I really appreciate your time.. Have a great day!!!

Got some stuff that came up at work today, so I am pushing the "Grand Opening" of the New Centennial Trail Head back to sometime in mid-May!  More time to plan will be good anyhow!  I will answer any questions later in the weekend.

MTBATVRIDER:  You'll be fine.  Just plan a weekend and come on up.  Make a copy of your bill of sale and bring it with you just in case if you want.  I'll try to get up with you while youre here and make sure we get you on the right track!

-Kris

 ;D Kris thanks for the reply back. I will be making plans soon to come there. I already have copies of the bill of sales which are also notarized. So we are set with that. I will let you know when we come up. Hopefully it will be soon. Thanks again Have a great week!!

I live in south florida... Never been to ocala... What Do I need to bring as far as paperwork??? Whats the price? Do i need my atv inspected before I can ride? Helmet? Thanks for the help. Might want to go up this weekend. But its a 4 hour drive...

Sorry, been on vacation for a week.  You need proof that the machine is yours, it may be required to be titled according to State law, check with a tag office.  These two items are not show stoppers, but are technically required to ride and will usually result in a warning of some sort, unless it is a repeat offense in which a ticket could be issued.  More importantly is the $10 operator fee for adults and $5 for children 15 and under.  This is payable at the trailhead by cash or check using a fee envelope and following instructions on the information kiosk.  Adults are not required to wear protective gear, but I recommend it.  Our trails are two-way and while accidents rarely happen, I shade on the side of caution.  Children 15 and under are required by law to have helmet, eye-protection and over-the-ankle boots.  Anything else, just ask!

-Kris

kris i dont know you but may God Bless you for your hard work and your post to keep us updated!

Kris it was good meeting you and finally able to put a face with a name. Thanks for all the info. BTW there is a large tree down blocking FR37 just south or the trail crossing(road is 3/4 blocked) bring tractor and large chainsaw. also two smaller tree blocking the trail just west of 37 approx 1/2 of a mile ;D ;D

Kris, we are planning to come up to Ocala this weekend. The last time we were there they told us our tires were too aggressive and there was a trail speed limit of 25 miles an hour. Is this still correct? It has been a while since we have been there. Are there any certain rules we should be aware of? Thanks Scott

Absolutely!
...and thanks for the info, I'll take care of these trees as soon as I can!
-Kris

Scott,
The tires can be "too agressive", however, this infraction is not a major one unless you are driving your machine in such a way that it is tearing the tread of the trail apart since the trail is actually Nationa Forest Resource and we do not want to destroy it.  That is the reasoning behind the tire tread depth.  If you have aggressive tires on your machine, we ask that you do your best to not rip up the trail tread.  This can be a ticketable offense, however, again it is not high on "my totem pole".  As for speed limits, the Centennial is posted at 20mph.  In most parts of the trail getting above this speed is dangerous due to lack of visibility.  You are riding at your own risk, if you get my drift.  If you come out for the weekend, pay the required fees at the campground and trailhead, depending on what all you plan on doing; stay off the roads; don't double-ride; and keep good intentions...no one should bother you, myself included!  We want everyone to have a good time and leave the area in such a condition that the following rider can have the same great experience!
-Kris

Kris, thank you for answering all of my questions. We just got back from the centennial trail and we loved it. Very nice job with all the trails!! are the other trails like that and how do you get to them?

Do u know when the 316 trailhead opens

Welcome to the forum Dalem352!!!  I use the Trail Head on CR316 when i ride the North trail system.  If I remember correctly the Trail Head is open 1 hour after sunrise & closes 1 hour before sunset.

Its been closed for paving i was out their 2 weeks ago delancey loops is closed to i parked at rodman dam to avoid the campground cost

Thanks Dale!!  Was thinking about heading up this coming wkend. Wish they would have left it dirt. I might have to ride Centennial Trail instead!!!!!!!

Thats a nice ride out their at centinnal takes me 5 to 6 hours to ride the trail i like the 20 mile perhour layed back riding

I'm with you on 20 mph layed back riding. Usualy pack a lunch, stop @ Blue sink & eat, go for a swim. Make a day of it!!!!!!!!

That my kinda ride their i got a 2011 arcitcat 300 utility i made a 30x12x12 cargo box for the back rack an put 2-           1 1/2 gallon kolpin side mount gas cans on it  an i allways head out for a good day

dalem352 and SMP63,

Glad you guys are enjoying the trail systems!  I'll get with the Tech running the North end trails and ask he has an expected date for both Delancy Loops TH on HWY19 and the CR316 TH?  As I understand it is supposed to be by the end of June, but weather could delay a little longer.

-Kris

Hi kris are u the guy on the little bulldozer i saw out at delancey few  weeks ago i like how  the trails are being graded out

Hey all,
  Rode the centennial trail on Sunday and had a good time. Came across 2 downed trees but had enough friends with me to move them off the trail.  There are probably about 2 trees that fell over the trail that SxS will not be able to get under but quads could.  We parked at FR 13 TH and headed clockwise around the loop.  The only bad parts of the trail were probably 3 miles past big scrub to about 2 miles before reaching the TH.  Very whooped out, but still had a great time. Met 2 rangers at the picnic area by the lake.  2 real nice guys.  I voiced my concerns about having the loop one way trails since we only saw one other vehicle that day and I happened to be leading and came across a RZR on a blind curve.  We stopped about 2 feet from head on crash.  The rangers agreed a one way trail system would help a lot and that we should voice our opinions about it to the higher ups.  The North Trails would be difficult to have one way due to so many trails crossing each other, but centennial is more of a laid back ride where I would like to take the family but don't want the risk of the head on's.  Kris, how can we push this issue?  I think it would be easier than trimming back everyturn so you could see oncoming riders.  Afew "do not enter signs" and "one way traffic signs" and we would all be a bit safer.  Keep up the great work on the trails

really?!?!? i dont wanna sound like a thingy here but it is a trail ride. whooped out? comon..ya want it paved next? maybe we oughtta put up stop lights at the trail crossings and make sure we have mirrors at all the curves so ya can see around em.

i get it really i do..some p[eople ride with total disregard...my friend broke his collarbone in a head on on a trail at croom...we still rode there tho...

 dont over regulate it and if the trail is only one way how will my 5 yr old be able to ride it? maybe i dont wanna go on a 4 hr ride..so i turn around and go back

geez man comon..yer riding in the woods...on a trail in the forest...yer lucky ya even got that


go ahead and bash...

gary

I had a long conversation with a ranger about this. If they make the trail one way & some body
rides it the wrong way & a collision with injuries occures it puts the Forestry Service @ fault for not inforcing it!!!!!!! This happened in another state & a big payout was awarded in which the Forestry Service had to pay. After this they shut the trail down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't want to see this happen here.  People have to realize that the trails are not a closed race coarse & they are the only ones riding them. If they want to ride WFO go to a track & ride!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You can't fault a guy for saying a one way trail would be safer. It would, period. However diesel makes a good point about it becoming a longer trail with no out. In this case, maybe a cut through trail would be beneficial. I'm sure there aren't any one way trails in the works anytime soon, as that would require a LOT of changes.

One option I think would be good for everyone is adding one way trails off of the main two way loop. A lot of parks are going this way, and it's a great option. I will ride Ocala whether it one way or two way. But I would probably go every week if there were one way loops added eventually. Keep up the good work and giving us a place to ride!

I am headed to centennial trail tomarrow f/r 13 trail head.i think that a lot of riders think the trails are motocrosss track i think they should take out the bad banked turns do a little rerouting i been hit to times from others coming in to bank the turn

Yippie, I get to bash.  If you have been following this thread like I have, you would know we all help each other to let the rangers know where the trails are rough and trees are down.  I totaally under stand the deal with your 5 year old not wanting to ride the whole 42 or so miles...and now for the rude response from your rude responses, wait til you 5 year old gets hurt fro a head on or something then lets see what you think of safety.  Lack of 2 way trails is why my 6 yo does not ride Ocala.  This thread has been awsome for us riders.  Don't be a smart a$$ and speak about paved trails and mirrors

There are always pro and cons to the one way trails.  I totally see the states point of view.  If it would jepordize our riding trails, keep them 2 way.  I have to say, even on the blind turns if you are driving normal speed, you could still have a good collision.  Thank God we have never ran into anyone riding like a motocross race as of yet

I agree with Diesel about not being able to turn around with no out.  I actually never thought of that.  Probably the best part of his bashing me post...lol  I did hear a while back that there used to be a clearing somewhere  that kids could ride and have fun kinda like the pit at croom.  I know on the north trails at the TR on 19, there is a small kids area. 
  I love riding Ocala and never want to loose it.  I just don't want to end up terribly hurt over 100 miles away from home due to someone elses stupidity.  I also appreciate all the hard work Kris does to keep this trail maintained hence why I mentioned the whoops.  Some people need to chill out here and keep it a great source of info for all of us

its the best..well ride it n matter what..soon i hope

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Totally Agree but "you can't fix stupid"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That big pit like area was up around Roddam Reservoir.

I can't speak of there current trails as I haven't been to Ocala in way too long. You see, I am a sport rider, as are most of my friends and we like to ride them as they were intended. Would I rip around in 3-5th gears at Ocala? Now that's just stupid. That's why I also like the idea of one way trails (or loops off the main trail like I mentioned before). And that's also why I would go there more often if that ever happened. It is NOT safe to ride as fast as I like to at Ocala, 5A, or pretty much any other place I frequent, because you just don't know who may be coming your way on the other side of the turn. The comment about going to the track makes sense, but it's very hard to find a place with one way XC style trails. DFA is having problems as we speak. Is anyone who doesn't use common sense while riding an idiot? Yup. Doesn't matter what they are on.

So anyways... I see things a little differently than some of you because of my 'need for speed', but there is a time and place for it. Finding that place is the hard part. Since this is where we post suggestions, tips and express our thanks, I think this is fitting!

Oh, the other reason I haven't been to Ocala is because a few of my buddies don't have their bikes registered. Has anyone gone without troubles under the same circumstance? I read Kris said it would be ok, but it's an hour and half drive. I'd hate to leave them waiting in the parking lot all day  :L

http://www.tampabayridindirty.com/forum/showthread.php?s=6430ab77c84f93da6dd94122f65c6260&t=5657 (http://www.tampabayridindirty.com/forum/showthread.php?s=6430ab77c84f93da6dd94122f65c6260&t=5657)

Tell all of your "friends" to bring their unregistered bikes to ONF and let us know the date, we'll make sure they get a warm welcome!  ;)

Enough said, one way trails don't sound that bad after the post on that link.  We'll see what is said here when one of us is the one screaming to the ER in pain after a nasty head on due to a stupid a$$ is racing on the trails.  I just hope it's never a child that gets hurt

tat happened to a friend of mine at croom and he got a plate in his collarbone to remember it by....it happens...when people are F'IN STUPID >:(

Really? That would be awesome! Only reason I haven't been in a long time is because they're afraid it'll be a wasted trip for them, so I have no one to go with. It's only an hour and half trip, I used to do it EVERY Saturday a few years back before all the changes. (nothing against the changes! My riding group sort of fell apart)

Blue sink trail block

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Hello All,

Sorry I've missed many conversations.  I have been at annual training for the National Guard.

I will be out on the trails this coming week to work on and access needs.

The one-way arguement.  Due to "liabilities" the Ocala NF will probably never go to "one-way" trails.  We cannot enforce/monitor this properly.  The issue arises when we mark it as one-way and then someone decides to turn around and head in the wrong direction for any number of reasons, good-intended or not.  When a collison occurs in this situation, the Govt can be held liable for not stopping this individual from doing so.  Obviously very hard to do as we cannot be on every mile of trail at all times.  We have signs on the highway for speeds and traffic laws, but they are not always obeyed.  A sign on our trail would seem to be no different. 

As for cutting out corners, we are still working on that for employee/volunteer benefit since we have to ride the trails towing equipment that takes our observation away sometimes, it is safer for us to see through a turn and then navigate it with the equipment.  A collateral benefit is that the riding public can now see through these curves as well.  I hope everyone understands this concept.

Our trails are designed for slow-riding, enjoyment of nature and the Ocala National Forest's ecosystems.  Not for speed and excitement.  There are other systems in the State that offer those thrills and we encourage you to use them!  We welcome anyone to our trails and hope that they enjoy a relaxing and fun ride with family and friends, or just the calm solitude of riding by yourself.  I will continue to monitor this site and improve the trail as often as I can.

Thanks,
Kris

just curious since yer here..whats the unofficial.... if the ranger catches me..... policy on firearms? i have run up on a bear more than once and at one time considerably closer than i would have wanted to be. thankfully the bear didnt seem to care and just walked off. we were on a marked trail i add.
i have no intention of using it for any purpose except poss self defense is if needed. fleeing would def be my first defense. im sure the bear can outrun me..as well as my wife and 5 yr old..
i have a carry permit and it would be out of sightin all likely hood. i would not ifre it unles i was def in fear for someones life
so what exactly would the ranger say if he was to happen to see me with it..inadvertantly

thanks..i know its off topic but easily answered here.
gary

Once again Kris, thank you for all you do.  I totally understand the liability of the one way trail and the number of hairpin turns on the trail system to be thined out.  I guess having a close call with a head-on last week, it freaked me out.  no trail system will ever be perfect and in my opinion, Ocala is the best Florida will ever have.  I totally agree that the trail system was designed to liesurly ride and enjoy the "old" Florida.  Keep doing what your doing and if you don't want reports of whooped out trails or trees down, let me know.  I hate sounding like a priss or pre-maddona on here to some.  Just want an enjoyable ride for everyone and a safe one

well i like the way the trails are coming along knocking down the banks is good clearing the trees out 4 a good view i like now some tables 4 rest stops would b cool on a few of the cleared bends.I just started riding again i rode out on both trails systems in 07 8 an 09 an it has changed a lot like the sharp bends got real bad banked i like the kicked back ride an all day ride.

 :Clap.gif :Clap.gif Yes thank you Kris!!!!!!!!!!!  I realy don't care what others think about me posting problem areas of the ONF trails here Starbuck. It makes Kris's job easier to keep the trails in his area more rideable & to pass along info to others about problems in there sections!!!!!!   If you can remember where those trees are down Dalem352 post it up, it will make it easier for Kris & his Crew to find & remove them!!!!

Thanks for agreeing with me SMP63. One of these I'm sure we run into each other in Ocala

well now that i have an axe i can do more i cant aford a chain saw i ride once a week mostly near the weekend so i will do what i can to help keep the trails clear the one posted of blue sink was a bad block i had to chop my way thour whit a hammer claw.

the downed trees i posted was just b 4 blue sink on the west side

You have a carry permit, as far as I am aware, you are fine.  Good intentions and the right licensing are the important things here.
-Kris

Thanks all for the updates.  I will make a loop on Monday afternoon to check for trees.  Remeber when you guys are out there if you notice something that you think may help me out, don't hesitate to post it on here.  Constructive criticism and obvious hazards such as trees down are always welcome!
I will see about some "tables" for rest areas. 
Also, I have an intern working with me for a few weeks as well that should help out. 
I'm looking into an "Adopt-a-Trail" program where individuals or groups could adopt sections of the trail to help keep clean and trimmed when possible.  I'll keep everyone posted.

-Kris

I find this comment rather ironic. Lol

lol... I realized the same thing I after I posted it :)

Its all good. I need to hurry up and get a 2nd quad so I can ride ONF.

Good catch Iggy!! LMAO!!!   If we do I hope we are both going slow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

UPDATE:

Becuase of impending inclement weather, it looks like I wont make the tree-clearing rounds on the Centennial until probably Thursday.  These rainstorms really take their toll on the Sand Pines in the Scrub Ecosystem.  The Sand Pine has a very fragile and weak root system and they tend to fall in light winds and rain.  Be careful riding!

-Kris

Has anyone rode the centennial trail since the storm passed through? I'm going up there in probably 2 weeks.  I will bring my saw and try to clear some downed trees.  I'm sure they will all be cleared by then.  How muddy is it now?  Any trails washed out?

soon as i get my cat back i going to centennial this week i hope new belt only had the quad sence apr. 14 got it new

I cleared the 20-mile loop of the Centennial last Thursday.  Haven't heard of many complaints from the other part so must be clear (for the most part).  As for trail condition, the 20-mile loop is pretty flat and dry.  Some small portions are whooped out, but this will be taken care of soon.  The rain did the trail real good! 
-Kris

Road centennial today and fire burned all the way around farles lake

3 trees down on the shortcut trail

Had a  great ride, then got to talk to to of the nicest rangers. Filling in for Chris.
They installed a trash container at blue sink and the rangers are in the process of cleaning up the area. Also show the rangers where the trees were down and they said they were going to start clearing them on Sunday
The NEW trail head is awesome pavement all the way includind the parking lot no more dirt roads If you have not checked it out you need to
 :) :) :)

centennial this thursday 7/26/12 anyone riding  ???

Just to let everyone know...the 316 TH is open now on the north end of the Forest.

-Kris

cool i was out their last week an it was still closed i going to ride centennial this thursday

I might be able to make it, the earlier the better.  What time will you be riding? 

i would b their round 8:00 it would b better at the new trail head off 40 for u

hope u ant ridding that big cat out there.

no i found that pic on facebook looks like it mite b to wide for some of the trails in o/n/f

I dont see anything to stop me now, will let you know for sure this afternoon.  Anybody else coming?

your the only 1 that replyed so i will check  back later oh let me also know where u would want 2 put in at it only takes me 35 to 45 minutes to get their

Pretty good clip for me, but I am thinking at 8:00 AM at the new trailhead just off (south) of 40.

ok cool i will b their silver dodge green cat

See ya at 8:00.  White on red old school F-250 + Green grizz 450.

what a ride mingy came out today we had to cut and move 8 trees  on the trail but it was still a good ride

we did not have to cut the trees i just like to help out on the trail an mingy jumped rite in their to

I will bring a chainsaw next time, of that you can make no doubt.

i believe that would b good after what we did

Any new updates on the centennial trail?  We were supposed to ride yesterday but the storm had us staying home (just in case). Hope to get out there soon

I was hoping to get out there on Labor Day weekend, most likely Saturday AM.  Nothing on my schedule that would stop me but I do not want to ride alone.

i rode centennial friday and their was 7 trees down had to chop 3 of them whole trail is passable nice ride friday 2  i am riding mud muckers friday taking the girl friend with me

went to centennial today they closed the o9 trail head and opened a free parking lot just passed big scrub campground where the little house an shed are

They closed the FR 09 trail head when they got the new trail head on FR13 finished!!!!!!!!!

i been parked their on 09 till aug 24th they did'nt close it till they were sure they would open the one by the campground

Had to crop it to get it posted here they closed it aug 31st i almost drove up to 09 today but went to the camp groung an saw the new sign

Had to get a better pic!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the info Dalem352!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is a little off topic with the Centennial trail but what about this Salt Springs Connector Trail.  Im going to Salt Springs Camp Ground over Thanksgiving and was wondering does it go into the campground or ??.  Any info would be great. Thanks. 

Here is the link showing the Connector trail?

http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5196235.pdf (http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5196235.pdf)

No it dosen't.  It ends in a corral at the corner of 316 & 19. On the north side of 316. I don't recall seeing where anybody has gone around the corral yet either!!!

You can walk out from the salt springs corral across the road to a set of shops and a restaurant. Basically a place you can get a bite after a ride.

 Kris how is it going? it has been awhile since I been on this forum. I believe it was back in April According to our last conversation you said that I can just bring a copy of my bill of sales.will be heading there the weekend after Thanksgiving. We are planning on camping either tent or bringing our pop-up camper depending on friends. There is two different camp sites correct? One we can make reservations and the other is first come first serve correct.

did centennial today and met the big scrub cg hosts folks they have a side x side they could not ride with me today they had to much work to do to get the grounds ready for the winter hunters and campers

I'm headed up there tomorrow from Lakeland. Can I get my trail pass at the Pittman Visitor Center, or do I need to go somewhere else? I'll be coming up 19 from the south.

You can get them right at the trail head!!!! They are located by the big trail map!

if u park at the free lot by the campground pay at the 2nd iron ranger the 1st 0ne is for the campground the 2nd one is right at the trail opening in the campground

You guys are awesome.  Thanks for keeping up the forum and answering each other's questions.  It really helps me out, I've been swamped!  Dalem, You met the Hornsby's (Billy and Jane).  They are first time hosts at Big Scrub, but have hosted before on the north end.  Jimmy and Patsy are also there now and will be doing the majority of the trail-raking for the season.  Around December 1st, Roy and Sharon will be back and they will continue to trim out the trail along with corners as they started last year and were able to get about 5 miles done.  All great workers who volunteer their time!  My other areas are coming along great which will give me more time this fall/winter to focus on Big Scrub and the Centennial Trail!
mtbatvrider:   You are still good to come up with what you have!  Big SCrub is reservable at reserveamerica.com or first come first serve (there is almost always plenty of open sites).  Delancy West on the North end is first come first serve, (same availability).  I may also restart this Forum or rename another Centennial 2012/2013 to clean it up and start fresh again.
Again, thank all of you for your input and for visiting and enjoying our trails!
-Kris Clere

yes i met the other couple this past Friday both couples are really nice the  past to weeks i cleared alot  of the under brush and shrubs that lay out on to the trail

Kris or anybody what is the address to Big Scrub Camp Ground or best directions from the South (Fort Lauderdale). It will be really helpful Thanks Horacio ;D

Kris, I figured it out I used google maps to route my trip to Big Scrub. See you in a couple of weeks.. Horacio

When does hunting season on the centennial start?  Last year we rode one Saturday and got the worse looks from the hunters and actually almost got run off the road by a hunter in his truck along with a few fingers flying.  I'm dying to go riding, but I'm not putting up with that same crap and the risk of getting my truck vandalized because some a$$ hole is pissed his dogs got off the scent

I also wondered about riding during hunting season. I'm hoping to go up the first week of December.

Hunting season is in full swing. My daughter & I rode Centennial on Monday. Came acrossed quite a few dogs with tracking collers on them & even met a truck on the trail where he wasn't supposed to be. Had no problems, all the hunters we encountered smiled & waved. We seen 1 bear track but no deer tracks at all!!!!!!!!!! We ate lunch at Blue Sink, the mutants are digging out the wood retaining walls holding up the dirt hill & using it for fire wood. A$$HOLES!!!!!!!!!!
Also could see that they are riding around the corral & trying to climb the dirt hill. *UCKWADS!!
The new trail head on FR13 is awsome, they done a great job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My fave thing to do to hunters who are assh*les is to take their dog collars off and drive it about 10 miles to the middle of nowhere and hang it in a tree with a nice note saying here's your dog collar. Ok I only did it once because I was worried they'd lose the dog for good and the poor thing would starve.

I rode Wandering Grass loop couple of weeks ago and i passed 13 trucks on the trails that were atv only trails. Told one of the rangers and he laughed. I now only ride the northern end during hunting season. They are not allowed to hunt with dogs at the end of the forest.

A big THANK YOU to Chris and his crew as i rode centennial on Monday and it was great and glad to report no down trees on the outer loop. Again way to go Chris and your crew :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

We rode centennial trail on Thanksgiving morning.  Only ones at the trailhead off of 40.  Was a nice ride until we got lost a few times cause of no signs.  Few hunters out and a few trucks on the trail but nothing stressful until on the way back. Came around a turn and mr black bear startled the hell out of me and probably him to.  The roughly 5 feet I was away from him bolting off left a skid mark in the sand and the boxers. 

i have road the trail the past 2 fridays the day after turkeyday the campground was half filled up and all the deer tracks were gone from the trails i been taking my new ride out did see one bear but he was all ready in a full get out of the way when i came round the corner been taking my dog she realy getting where she like to ride to ride after 2 rides i go out to the side x side an she jumps up in it ready to go i got a new ride it is a made by jiangsu linhai machinery group which yahaha owns 25 % of they came togather in 03 an desinged their atv and side x side motors for them i got the cuv 400 modle its not fast at all but dose the trail real good an it 4x4 but have not used the 4x4 yet i had to try it just to see what it was like in 4 wheel its realy very low geared machine

Hey All!,
I just wanted to give a good update as to our current work on the Centennial Trail.  My volunteers are doing 98% of the work right now as I manage my locations during our busy season, so if you stop at Big sCrub or camp there and enjoy the trails, make sure to thank them.  Jimmy and Patsy have been raking and dragging the trail, taking the whoops down as best as possible and clearing fallen trees and debris.  Roy and Sharon, who were there last year, have picked up where they left off, trimming out the sides of the trail and opening up corners for better visibility.  They are working from Big Scrub east towards Blue Sink on the the lower part.  Billy and Jane are my campground hosts, but they are also out on the trails a bit and have been trying to replace downed signage and monitor trail use for me.  We have a lot of opened up trails and some missing signage due to the overuse of hunters in the area.  We will regain our hold on this once hunting season ends.  We are also still pushing for a youth training area in or next to Big Scrub to encourage the kids to ride in there instead of out on the sandy trail if they have minimal experience!  I hope everyone is enjoying the trails.  I will be double posting this so I can start a 2013 Centennial thread.  Happy riding and please be safe!
-Kris