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Took 2 4x4's a a 250 sport quad and had a good time. pretty dry out there. A few wet spots here n there but nothingto serious.Rode from like 11 till almost sun down no porb. Not many ppl out there just saw a few othere bikes.Parked truck n trailer inside the trail road theres a pretty open area..

Maybe not now but the signs are up so there will probably be no warning it will be an arrest be careful

WTF...I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY THE COPS WOULD ARREST SMEONE THAT IS JUST RIDING IN SME WOODS. THERE ISNT ANYTHINGOUT THEREBT TRAILS AND WOODS....MIAMI IS GETTING RIDICULOUS COPS NEED TO WORRY ABOUT REAL CRIMES  AND STOP WORRING ABOUT PEOPLE JUST HAVING A GOOD TIME RIDING ATV'S

Totally agree with what you are saying but the fact is its private property and the cops have already passed out some very strong warnings.  That was one of the best places in Miami to ride and it is sorely missed by a lot of ATV riders.

MAN IF I HAD THE CASH RIGHT NOW I'D BUY THAT LAND OR ONE LIKE IT AN WOULD HAVE IT JUST SO PPL CAN RIDE .I WOULDNT MIND PAYING A FEW BUCKS TO HAVE A GOODPLACE TO RIDE

The problem is Little Johnny goes riding on your land, acts the fool, breaks his neck and his family sues you for everything you ever worked for just because you happened to be the owner of what is known as 'an attractive nuisance.'  As the property owner, you have the responsibility to make sure nobody enjoys your land lest you be sued and relieved of all your worldly possessions and become the poster boy of the Death and Destruction channel.

IF IT WAS MY LAND I'D JUST HAVE LIL JOHNNY SIGN A LEGAL WAIVER AND THE PROB NOT MINES ANY MORE...RIDE AT UR OWN RISK

Well, noob, you obviously don't stay on top of the news.  Earlier this year the courts affirmed that such waivers are not valid if signed by a parent or legal guardian of a minor.  Just the way the world works.  Sorry.

And, for that matter, a hole can be found in any waiver.  For every good attorney, there's a better one. 

LOL...UR RIGHT ...SO WHERE DO U RIDE

Just so happens I replied on here and look what I snapped today comming out of 40 & 157 sorry it was from my phone FWC officer with his 4x4 I guess was lookin for ppl ridin
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x116/Gato717/10-19-09_14531.jpg)

ya it sucks as far as riding none down here



but who wants to do carpool/group rides up at the trails in l cross on sundays or evan drive to motoplex/l cross/ redneck yatch club and ride and party for weekend?

DAMN THANK GOD I DIDNT GO T BIRD THIS WEEKEND .......IM RIDIN TO THE HUINP THIS SUNDAY

is the humps dry enough for a sport bike>?

NOT SURE HAVENT BEEN OUT THERE IN A WHILE...BUT IF U PARK BY THE RACE TRACK THERE WHAT SOME PEOPLE CALL THE SQUARES AND THATS ALWAYS DRY

not familar with the area gonna check it out soon

WHAT DO YOU RIDE I GOT A HONDA TRX 450 AND TRX 250 AND A RANCHER 420....I RIE THE 450 MY DAD AND NEPHEW RIDE THE 250 AND THE 4X4.MY 450 IS GETTIN THEENGINE REBUILT HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE DONE THIS WEEK SO I CAN RIDE ON SUNDAY. IF YOU WANT PM ME UR NUMBER AND ILL TELL U HOW TO GET THERE AND IF ANYTHING YOU CAN CALL ME UP MOST LIKELY I'LL BE OUT THERE

its very nasty at the hump right now. you would not be able to go anywhere on 2wd.

WHAT ABOUT THE EAST SIDE OVER BY THE TRACK , HAVE YOU BEEN OUT THERE

Jrpro I would think now is the ideal time for the guys who like the thick stuff? that place is heaven for the mudders!!!

IMA CHECK IT OUT FOR SURE SUNDAY I'LL LET EVERYONE KNOW HOW IT LOOKS OUT THERE

Where's that?

whats the exact address and how to get there form miami....is it sport bike friendly

I haven't been on the east side by the track, only the wet side.  I have a brute force snorkeled on 29's so obviously I love the mud! It is really sticky right now there...I was having some trouble in the loader hole.

Ant, is that road called Sycamore Rd? Go to http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=&layer=c&cbll=40.758437,-73.985164&cbp=11,42.04,,0,-6.66&ie=UTF8&om=1&panoid=s_TY766yv4kWDddHKN8OVQ&t=h&ll=40.75844,-73.985195&spn=0.042649,0.174923&z=13&utm_campaign=en&utm_medium=ha&utm_source=en-ha-na-us-bk-svn&utm_term=%7Bkeyword%7D
Then, type into the search box Sycamore Rd, Labelle, Florida

anyone wanna car pool up there i from broward

Raptor-ant  your passion is admirable and i wish you would put that emotion to good use, its obvious that your not in the loop about the whole compatible use issue or Dade counties Comprehensive developement master plan (cdmp) that the planning dept has been working on but anyway I know and feel where you are coming from. I personally have been involved for about 5 years and continue to be in the face of our county, state ,and federal officials about our ongoing EMERGENCY IN DADE COUNTY. The area you are talking about you can see for yourself on miamidade.gov is broken up into many different parcels, and yes alot of it is owned by water mgt. and patrolled by FWC. It is called the Bird Drive Recharge area and from what I have been told will never ever be for ATV's. I can tell you that I too am a rider (sport quad) and would love to see this area as an ATV riding area but it is used to recharge the aquifer and the wells to the south on sw 72st and about 172ave in the middle of that big agriculture field. I encourage you to get involved or lets talk and I will give you a little info on the ISSUES we as enthisiast are facing,the counties plans and what I think is going to happen from all that I have gathered over the years. I was just like you and was not aware of what was involved in opening a ATV riding area. I can tell you the ATV community is mostly at fault for not being able to organize as a club or group to have a show of force!!!!!   If you want to hold a rally or a protest im sure your gonna get plenty of people to show up but thats it. From what I have seen first hand very few are willing to write a letter or get  involved in the least way. I hope we talk just PM me or leave me your # and I will explain. 

By the way Labelle looks really good to ride !!!!!!!! is it dry or just mudd trails? do the cops or FWC ever bother anyone out there?

I have been out to Labelle about 8 times and no one has bother me or anyone out there.  It is dry, since the terrain is SAND, it does not flood.

says its 2 and half hours from my hosue in coral springs    how big is the ridding area?

might be interested in Sat I work Sunday the dolphins game

is it farther than bonita springs ...some good riding there but last i heard it got shut down too....i think we should start pm each othere riding spot info so the leos cant see where we are riding when they come on here

gato u got my number if u wanna go sat up there for a ride let me no we can car pool if u want ill just tell my tat artist he will do my chest on sunday instead of sat lol

im down for sunday I got a couple people that will beriding withme taking a 16ft trailer s theres room for a bike or two

1sik450r ill keep in contact with u for sunday if i dont go sat ill deff go sunday

COOL NO PROB IF U GO UP THERE SAT AND STILL WANNA RIDE SINDAY WE CAN HIT UP THE HUMP DOWN SOUH IF UR INTERESTED..

i heard behind the track by the hump is great for sport quads.  the actual hump is no good for 2wd. 

yea looks like a getting tat on m chest sat so sunday maybe go ride down south

LET ME KNOW I'LL BE OUT THERE AND YES ITS GREAT FOR SPORT QUADS...HOPEFULLY MY 450 IS READY BY SUNDAY

Wow. Real smart. That's exactly the type of image we, the ATV community, want to project.

And we wonder why more and more areas close to us every day. Well, here's why.

 :(

anoriginal its be ok, yes alot of places gettin shut down so if we play shadow games it will take longer for the cops to find us lol :-*

EXACTLY WHY I SAID THAT..I'M ALL ABOUT GIVING  POSITIVE IMAGE...BUT IF WE DONT MAKE IT SO PUBLIC WHERE WE RIDE AT LEAST THE AUTHORITIES WILL TAKE A LIL LONGER TO SHUT DOWN ARE SPOTS BECAUSE THY WONT HAVE AN IDEA OF WHERE WE ARE RIDING AT.

I went riding today and had a killer time!!! I haven't rode since the baby was born... Between diaper changes and Family visiting I thought the gas in my tank was going to go bad 2:L


Don't ask me where I went because I wont tell...:no    I'm sure it will piss off someone and they'll tell me how horrible of an ATV enthusiast I am  :d

I'll tell you what though... I was worth it :Approve.gif

 :no :no :no :ThumbsDown.gif :ThumbsDown.gif

SHARING IS CARING BRO PM ME THE DETAILS

No, No... :no

We've already been told PM's give us a bad name. Nobody wants more riding areas to close because of that now do we? :X

Besides, there was a big "NO TRESSPASSING" sign posted right above were I parked my truck.

It never felt so good to be so bad... :M

Just don't come crying to the rest of us when more places are closed.

Like I said, we're our own worst enemies.

The illegal places are already 'closed' so us riding them isn't going to get them more "closed".

It's in Miami too, the least of Miami's problems is illegal ATV riding...

It would be one thing if we were riding 3a or Holey Lands, etc...this is land in Miami that has been used by Orv's for years.  It doesn't make it right, but law enforcement has better things to do down there. 

It's not about making already closed places "more closed".

It's about projecting a decent image of our sport and its participants. Riding illegally and making it a point to do so only solidifies the poor opinion people have of ATV's and their owners/riders. Most significant are those "in charge" who have such an opinion based upon problems like illegal riding.

Anoriginal,

I agree, a negative image is never good, however would you not agree that they have forced us into hidding?  We are treated as if we were convicts, so much for freedom.

Freedom? We've no right to trespass or place others safety at risk with irresponsible operation of OHVs(blind, unbridled speed, DUI, etc.). We've no right to destroy public lands with litter, reckless operation of your OHV, donut-holes, etc.. Who's going to pay for policing/maintaining public safety(fire/police/FWC) in these public lands? Who's going to pay for environmental maintenance of these public lands(trail grooming, waste managmeent, etc.)? The answer! It's the same taxpayers who insist upon no new taxes, decreasd property taxes, smaller government, yatta-yatta. They want it all free and they want it all now. It's the same taxpayers in Miami who recently supported a 5% across the board salary decrease for all city employees.

Not being a jerk here but no, I would not agree.

Nobody forced anyone into hiding any more than anyone was forced to buy a bike. Illegal areas are just that...illegal. If you don't have a place to ride, why buy the bike? It would be like me buying a snow mobile and then complaining that the State owes me fake snow to ride on.

We have no "right" to ride. It's not taking away any guaranteed freedom when the authorities kick you out of an illegal area or, close off a once legal area to ride. And, when they do so and then ticket you for riding illegally, it's not treating you like a convict. It's enforcing the law. And, when those LEO's enforce the law, it doesn't make them jerks or idiots for not dealing with "real crime". Rather, it means they're doing their job. Plain and simple.  You can bet those LEO's would rather be doing something else than chasing ATV guys off of illegal areas.

Thus far, we've only ourselves to blame for the loss of legal riding areas. The Holylands is a prime example. Sheer stupidity combined with a total lack of self respect and regard for the law closed the Holeylands. The way things are headed, Big Cypress is next.

Until people get it through their heads that we don't have any right to ride and start treating it like the privilege (or gift) that it truly is, we'll keep losing places to ride.

When you say that, "years ago, we used be able to ride anywhere", please keep in mind that SFL's population has exploded since those days. And, years ago, it wasn't any wiser to smoke cigarettes just cause people did it. They now know better, so, less people are smoking cigarettes in the U.S. these days.

WTF???

What does that mean???

The solution is easy.  Provide us with a legal place to ride in South Florida, similar to CROOM, and I will be glad to pay a fee, maintain the facility, and abide by the laws governing such facility.  So where is it?  The registration money that I paid for my bike along with my taxes is being used in the fight against Smoking?  WTF are you talking about.

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If we stop riding illigally what have we gained? Nothing...  I don't know about you guys, but the places I ride, the problem is the guys riding on the road.  FWC and MDPD come down sometimes and give the guys a slap on the hand that are riding on the road.  The last MDPD officer down there was BS'ing with us asking about the conditions back there because he was going to ride tommorow on his day off. The last FWC officer asked us to look out for any bad activity...

Sorry for the poor analogy. My point was that just because there was little or no enforcement of trespassing laws many years ago and just because more people were smoking doesn't mean that trespassing/smoking is the right thing to do. I support any legal riding place we can get. If I still believe that trespassing would help us, I'd do it. ATVers are clearly out-numbered by the public naysayers and lawlessness(granting the fun it is) only recruits more to their side.

The tax money collected on ATV sales is just tax money...that's it. They can use it however they see fit provided it fits under the designating laws establishing the same.

Also, what incentive do they have to create a place to ride for us? It's not likely to be a large profit source for any government entity and, the poor press we constantly give ourselves means the general public is bound to fight it.

jrpro- What we have to gain by not riding illegally is preventing more people from thinking poorly of us if and when the opportunity for a new, legal ride area presents itself. Now, the FWC and other L.E. agencies have nothing but a bad taste in their mouths for us and are definitely NOT going to go to bat for us on a legal ride area issue.

I find it funny and sad when I read threads like this one. Everyone wants to complain and rant about not having a place to ride. But, when I go to these ORV meetings around the state (both at the Federal and State levels) none of you show up. The Jeep clubs, Swamp Buggy guys, mountain bikers and environmental wackos are all there in force. They're all well organized, well spoken and their opinions are well respected. Meanwhile, the ATV crowd is basically silent.

We do nothing for ourselves and our image. We schedule a clean up ride some place from time to time. Big deal. Trust me, nobody cares that a few people did a clean up ride to pick up garbage we likely left ourselves in the first place. Everyone knows it's just an excuse to ride. Instead, we constantly ride illegally. We break the rules in legal areas to ride. We are never organized and, when we do get in front of a camera, it always seems to be that the dumbest person in the crowd attempts to speak for us.

I am sorry but, it's the truth. We do nothing for ourselves but complain. Even when we get a legal place to ride, all we do is complain that it's too small, too bumpy, too far, etc... Look at the past 10 years. It's accomplished nothing. AintSkeerd is right. lawlessness only recruits more against us. Sadly, we bring it on ourselves.

IMO it's a loosing battle!

I like how organized the airboat and full track association is, but look at us...look who RIDES atvs, we aren't exactly a good image just walking down the street!

jrpro -

You hit it on the head. Our lack of organization is our downfall. I think it's possible to project a good group image but, everyone (or at least a large majority) has to be on board.

New Hampshire has a yearly registration for ATV/Dirt bike and Snowmobile.

Instate club member
Instate non-club member

Out of state club member
Out of state Non club member

This generates big bucks for the state. They have tons of trails to ride. There are more miles of trails then there are roads in that state. All the trails are marked with signs for directions to land marks i.e. mountains, lakes, rivers and also marked for gas stations restaurants etc. They sell state trail maps in the gas stations!!! Lots of the trails cut thru private land. Some of the land owners will only have their section of trails open in the winter months for the obvious reason of less land damage from snowmobiles. They cable the trails off and mark them accordingly. But that’s only a small portion.

Florida is so large it's hard for anyone to enjoy the few national parks we have open to ATV's I takes me HOURS to get to any of them. Your other option is heading to the local MX track and pay their fees to ride in a circle for a few hours… Fun but costly and let’s be honest, trails are more fun…  Growing up in New Hampshire I would walk out in the back yard kick over the dirt bike and ride out... No trailers... No traveling... I would mow the grass on Saturday morning and Dad would fill my tank for the weekend (back when gas was a buck!!!). I’d be gone all day riding from town to town.

Honestly I would like to move back… If it wasn’t for the housing market keeping me from selling my house and not taking a loss and the unemployment rate keeping me from finding a job back north, I’d be gone yesterday.

Florida is to hot in the summer, to flat for a good view, and full of A$$holes, crooks, and thieves…  Obviously this is a blanket statement and not everyone falls into those categories…  

We wave at our neighbors or cars passing by the house back home… We leave our houses unlocked and the keys in the car… I guess it’s northern hospitality (I've yet to see this "Southern Hospitality" they talk about)… There is less trash, less crime and your don’t have to be afraid to let your kids play outside… (Have you ever searched Child molesters in your neighborhood?)

I guess when you had it so good and now have it so bad now it really sways you from wanting to get involved… How good will it get and is the fight worth it? I bet it’ll be cheaper just to move… Sad but true.

Only 7 states have a higher population per sq. mi. than Florida and New Hampshire has less than half of Florida's population per sq. mi.. And, I doubt that New Hampshire has anywhere near the number of visitors to their state, their parks and their forests.

And your point?

They still have a trail system that would make you squirt. I'm talking if you wanted to ride to Canada you can, If you want to ride to Maine... You can do that too... Feel like hitting up Vermont? Sure.... Why not?

Just buy a sticker.

More people, more population growth means that there needs to be more provisions for the public, hence after all we are paying for it with our registrations and tax money.  Did the government not build more roads due to a growth in population/Cars on the road?  Well we are not asking for much, just take our money and give us a site we can call our own.  Charge an admission cost, and use that money to maintain the facility.  It does not have to be the size of New Hampshire, just big enough for us to enjoy and feel free!!!!! as we ride our bikes.

And unfortunately, that will never happen.  I will help in any way possible, I am a very professional person and project myself in a positive way.  Please PM me when you need help with anything political, I'll do my best to make it.

What we really need to do is start having functions with ATV riders around different places.

More events like the "ATV ralley" at L-Cross...

More news coveragte of POSITIVE events

Self enforcement of others...

It's just that the people that ride ATV's are not generally the best group of people...I mean half the guys I see out there don't seem like they care about supporting atv events, they just want to ride. 

Even the trucks keep it organized...I mean I will never turn in my atv for a truck, but these guys have their stuff together.  Tons of positive events and such...

We need a MOTOPLEX down south and I am willing to help in ANY WAY POSSIBLE.  I can get my work (ambulance service) to do standby EMS, anything you guys would ever need.  I can volunteer any weekend work, etc etc. 

I have some great ideas, just no support behind them.   

Anorigional, PM me and we can talk further on this.  I want to set up something...

The yearly registrations are the only fees you pay. The one time registration that Florida charges isn't going to pay for sh*t.  The Stickers you buy in NH is just like registering your car.

This is ATV and Trail bike
http://www.nhtrails.org/uploads/2009ATVtrailBikeTrails.pdf (http://www.nhtrails.org/uploads/2009ATVtrailBikeTrails.pdf)


Registration Fees
http://www.wildlife.state.nh.us/OHRV/2009_OHRV_Laws_Digest.pdf (http://www.wildlife.state.nh.us/OHRV/2009_OHRV_Laws_Digest.pdf)

New Hampshire Fish and Game
http://www.wildlife.state.nh.us/OHRV/ohrv.htm (http://www.wildlife.state.nh.us/OHRV/ohrv.htm)

My point is....

If a state as small an NH can have a killer trail system 4 seasons of the year and rake in tons of money while doing it, WTF is Florida waiting for?

The registration would cover all parks. You wouldn't have to have a sticker for Croom and one for the ONF or any of them...

For those of you so up on all the meetings and legislation, where can I forward these links to? Maybe if you toss these kind of numbers on someone’s plate and they can see how profitable it is for a state to have OHRV's, more areas will open... Let’s face it, money is what makes things happen, not just showing up and asking "please".

P.S.

This thread got straight up HIJACKED!!!

every thread gets hijacked

THIS THREAD IS GETTIN TO POLITICAL...I JUST WANNA RIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!LAST NITE COMING HOME I SAW A CARGO VAN AND A F-250 COMING DOWN SOUTHBOUND ON THE TURNPIKE ABOUT 10 O CLOCK WITH TO TRAILERS ON BACK LOADED WITH BIKE AND I WAS LIKE DAMN .....LOOKS LIKE THEY HAD FUN WONDER WHERE THERE COMING FROM ....

Me and a group of 100 + are ridding today in the place I mentioned earlier

Bye bye!

Like I said...


"Florida is to hot in the summer, to flat for a good view, and full of A$$holes..."

Case in point.

Well then, once you leave I guess it'll be one less for the rest of us to deal with.  ;)


Funny, but it always seems so many people are eager to move here and then complain when they can't make it. In reality, it is a great place to live with great people to boot. Some areas are bad but, you get that in any state. Sure, the overall Florida housing market is in the tank but, it's a great chance to make a lot of money if you know what you're doing. It's all in how you approach things I suppose.

Where I live, its beautiful. I've got an excellent waterfront view. My neighbors are great. Not any child molesters close by. Trash gets picked up twice a week and there's not any to speak of anywhere else. I've got tons of places to ride anytime I want. The people around here are great and very friendly. There's bad areas but, I just stay out of them. Southern hospitality reigns around my area. Probably because it's not forgotten on transients who've moved here from elsewhere over the years. The local economy is doing pretty well and the housing market is on the rebound. I wouldn't want to live anywhere else.

I certainly don't spend my time complaining about how good it is somewhere else. If I thought another place was better for me and my family...I'd shut up about it and move on.

I reiterate  ;)

Aw poor wittle guy. Is him too hot? Is it to hard here in mean old Florida for him to make it? Him got no place to ride and his neighbors mean to him?

If you're so in love with another place, why stay here? Seriously. I'm an a$$hole because I point out your whining and complaining? Be a man and just leave instead of crying like a child.

Poor thing.  :(

You're the one who started complaining and crying. Don't get bent out of shape and name call just because someone presents  you with the most obvious solution. Like I said, if some other place was so great to me...I'd be headed for that place and never look back. Man up and go. Why waste another day in this vile and inhospitable state?

Buy my house.

Why would I want to? What with all the mean neighbors that don't wave, the trash, the thieves, child molesters and the poor view and all?

anoriginal and bailllyguns


both do your self a favor either start a new thread and or pm or call each other please. tired of checking this thinking its about ridding and its you 2 having high school drama.  thank you
                                                                                     

                                                                         matt

Matt -

I am pretty sure it was done until you posted again.

k sounds good   



look foward to riding in the near future witht the both of you :-*

I wunna ride!!!

im new to this forum i found this thread doing a search for the bird drive recharge area
ive done some off roading there and havent seen one tresspass sign there i was driving my 4x4 durango and being followed by a wrangler .
i just purchased a raptor 700r and was thinking of takin my wife and daughter there today to ride the quad
ive seen plenty of people there before  is it illegal to be there?

so i got a hair up I disagree and took the drive down to sw 8th (bird drive is on 16oth ans 8th ) the signs clearly say no motorized vehicles the area is ok for equestrian and pedestrian use there isnt a tresspass sign anywhere on the property.
however the area on 137th and 8th had a ton of people on the orvs and quads ther were probrably 10-15 pickups with trailers and quads there right off of the corner of the street