ATV Florida Forum

I THINK TITLES ARE STUPID AND REALLY HAVE NO IMPACT ON ANYTHING EXCEPT THE STATES POCKET.   

What does anyone else Have to say about this subject???? 

I don't understand that bullsnot either both of my bikes don't have titles. wtf no I can't take them anywhere state owned because I didn't pay the state some f-ing tax..

We've know idea where to find stats which demonstrate how the process has aided in the arrest and conviction of thieves. But, you pay the $20-25 title fee one-time. It's not an annual fee like boat, trailer and car registration. And, we still manage to pay $30 one-day entrance fees to L-Cross, Seminole MX, Motoplex, Durhamtown, etc. whenever we want to. And, that cheap fee discourages and prevents certain people I've seen from destroying some public lands and/or ruining our enjoyment of it. Besides, you have other $20 bills to slip into that garter, now don't you?

I think titles are a good thing. The $30 to the state s_cks but have your trailer stolen and resold on a bill of sale and someone purchases a tag for it you will want the state to start titling trailers.

You are absolutely correct.

They're not stupid. It provides a means to demonstrate actual ownership of a bike and to ensure that people are not dealing in stolen goods. Without titles, thieves' jobs would be much easier.

While this is true, it seems to be of very little deterrent for those thieves that steal them in the first place. If there's ever a question a title solves it, but when bikes are stolen it's not all that common to find them to need a title to verify them. We pay for them, but see little in the way of benefit in the way of riding areas.

I think in this instance, that it is an item that is on the road and would be easier to find or locate because the visibility of it is 1000 percent more.

how often do you actually think a cop or authority has actually stopped someone to check for a title on a quad, or dirtbike.  Ive had many quad, dirtbike, and three wheeler and I have never been stopped or checked in 22 yrs.

My belief is that if you need to have a title for those you should be required to have a title for your riding lawn mower, every bicycle you own, a go cart, and your mini go ped with a weedwacker engine. IT'S JUST STUPID!!

Well, that's your opinion and you're certainly entitled to it. However, having seem first hand the benefit of a titled vehicle of any kind, I can tell you that titles are a great thing.

It would make more sense to me if we actually really benefit from them. If we could street legalize them, and use them as transportation or got some more places to ride than that dump called croom. (they should call it whoops and trails of doom)

 

My belief IS that you need to have a title for your riding lawn mower, every bicycle you own, a go cart, and your mini go ped with a weedwacker engine if you want to start riding those things in ONF/BC and other public lands!

if we pay for the title we should be able to ride on the rode i dont know what county u live in but in herenando u cant ride on secondary roads but next door in sumter u can  >:(

I think titles on OHVs are absolutely pointless. I dont even care if my bikes have titles. Hell, until 2002 or 2003 they didnt so why freaking start? Nobody even really seems to care anymore. Its not like they will help you find your bike. thieves can get a $200 frame and put a engine and everything else from a $3,000 bike and then sell the frame they had for 200 without a title and theyve completely got around it. Or, they can scratch the VIN off. I dont see how they help the recovery of bikes. Most riding areas do not have people checking VINs. I personally dont know if anybody does. I have never ridden on Gov. property. Tracks, RR, SE, etc dont give a rats ass. I too have never been stopped and asked to show my VIN on my bike to a cop. They probably dont care either. I can see the need for on road vehicles but not for OHVs. Thats my $.02.

Everyone forgets what the title money is being used for.  Improvements to the atv riding ares.  Currently it has funded improvements to Croom, Tate's Hell, Ocala National Forest, Applach forest. In addition, it has funded a new area in Baker County, Santa Rosa County and Polk County.  This year the money was used to fund many of the shortfalls necessary to keep the areas open.

Folks forget on purpose because it's all about them, alone. For the past several years, while costs have risen sharply, we've demanded and received all kinds of income/property tax cuts. We were told that services would not be cut because we going to save through increased efficiencies and elimination of unnecessary spending. Today, we're increasing entrance/hunting/fishing/user fees at all government lands/parks. We're cutting out services, laying off police, fire, teachers, etc. and eliminating athletic programs in our schools so our kids can become even fatter. I'm not suggesting we raise taxes, but, if you don't want to pay taxes or increased fees, don't visit state/federal parks and take your fat kids to the gym or local Y.

dude that hurts me    0__0
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You are absolutely incorrect. I payed for the title fee for my quad, big deal. Now if it gets stolen it can be tracked if the person tries to sell it.

That is a good theory and all, but if i was a thief (which I am not) I would have your bike in a million pieces in about 3 hours. Have the frame sawed up and in the scrap yard. Title doesn't really apply and sometimes bikes are worth more parted out.

That's the real world truth of the matter and the reason why titles are basically pointless for a vehicle that can be picked up and hauled away, then parted out or used on private property. It's not like road vehicles that need a tag to operate, and if they did thieves would just use them on private lands where there is no scrutiny from law enforcement. In theory they're good, in practice they are worthless in 99% of cases.

Or what someone did to a friend of mine they stole his bike then spray painted the whole thing. He got it back though and its looking pretty good.

WOW! thieve are definitely not the smartest people in the world! Nothing like rattle can restoration on your bike! LOL  8)

How long have titles been used for ATVs in this state?

started issueing around 2003

Has there been a decrease in ATV thefts since then?

considerable.  Most of the stolen ATV's are taken to Alabama where they do not have a title.

Do you know where can I find the data that shows ATV thefts per year in Florida?

I couldn't find it, but I have requested this info from the FDLE via email and will let everyone know if/when I get it. On their website it does show that property theft in general has decreased since 1989 hitting a low in 2005 before a slight incline in 06 and 07 with 08 being approximately the same rate as in 07. Motor vehicle thefts (combined) has greatly decreased since 1989 until 2005 when it hit what amounts to a slight decline until another significant drop in rate from 2007 to  2008. However, this doesn't specify rates for off highway vehicles in particular. Once I get that info I'll let everyone know how that rates compares to property crime and vehicle crime.

Unfortunately no luck with the FDLE. Got a response today stating that they didn't have information that would answer my request. They suggested asking the DMV, but that would only show how many title transaction there were, not how many titled OHV's were stolen. Any other suggestions ?

I understand some peoples negative opinions on titles, but imagine if you truck or car did not have a title.  What would stop you neighbor from taking it and saying it was thiers.  Too bad the state did not start this earlier than 2002 then it would be standard to have a title and this post would not have come up.  Anyone who steals quads in my opinion are straight out scum bags and if titles prevent those mother Fu&$ers from taking what I worked so hard for, than I'm all for the titles.  And I agree the one time fee is hopefully going to help or sport not hurt it.  As far as Croom goes, I know they have been putting a little money into the place, but trail grooming would be a good investment.  I would volunteer to pull a groomer behind my ATV to help with the whoops.  Again these are just my opinions.

Understood that titles clearly demonstrate ownership, but with ohv's that can be picked up and transported covertly and used on private land without scrutiny, titles are often useless. In theory they're great, but in practice fail to achieve the desired effect in many cases. It's like saying drugs are illegal and expecting people to refrain due to the letter of the law. Unfortunately, it's not the case.

TITLES ARE THE STUPIDEST THING THAT HAS EVER CAME TO BE! People either won't buy your bike because it has no title or the want to pay you like $2 for it! For instance if you have something up for sale at like $2000, they'll lowball you at like $1000. JUST BECAUSE IT HAS NO TITLE! Even though the bike is the cleanest used bike you'll ever come across, they don't want to pay shiiiiii!!!

I second that. They are not a deterrent to theft of ATVs. If they were, the state would've started using them much sooner and all states would require them. They are a means to gather funds for the state. I really don't have a problem with that as the fees really aren't that high. Sales tax is often higher.

But, it is extremely frustrating when you have an ATV with a title that can't be transferred to a new owner because the previous lien holder didn't file the proper paper work. AND, any attempts to contact the previous lien holder go unanswered. The DMV just tells you tough luck, we can't take your title fees and tax money because you don't have the proper form filled out by a certain person.

This is how legitimate ATVs and dirt bikes end up in a gray area. They were either repossessed by the bank and auctioned off and sold by bums on Craigslist with useless tainted titles, or a title was lost some where along the line and now they can't be retitled. Florida is notoriously horrible when it comes to this and I frankly abhor and despise going to the DMV tax collector in any county.

Umm, yeah....well, that was brilliant.

Matt?? Is that you? No way.

I am still alive and kicking. I even rode my bike this weekend in South Carolina.

We'll get together soon. Are you going to make some trips with me this year into the Cypress?

LOL  ???

Do drunks piss on walls..  Aug 1 is approaching quickly.