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WOULD YOU PAY MORE FOR A USED 2 STROKE BANSHEE IF THEY DONT MAKE THEM ANY MORE AND HOW MUCH?

have heard of this too but it could just be a rummor

i saw an articale in atv action mag this month about the blaster and how maybe there is a loop hole for 2006 importing and sales but nothing to back up the ban or how is banning it

i have noticed that a lot more 4 stroke are out there know. if this is true maybe the resale will be high or maybe low because i have seen in fourms where they have banned the use of 2 stroke like in place in califorina

seems to be right is line with the 2stroke ban on boats.

 this is one example i just found @


http://news.motorcycle.com/article.motml?sid=2051



PICKERINGTON, Ohio -- The sale of new two-stroke off-highway motorcycles and all-terrain vehicles would be banned in Massachusetts under House Bill 1909, introduced by state Rep. J. James Marzilli Jr. (D-Arlington), the American Motorcyclist Association reports.


Under his proposal, it would be illegal for anyone to sell "a recreational vehicle containing a two-stroke engine, including, but not limited to, a snow craft, an all-terrain vehicle, a personal watercraft, or a motorboat."

"This is the most sweeping ban ever introduced in any state," said Royce Wood, AMA legislative affairs specialist in charge of off-highway issues.

If passed, the bill would outlaw new sales of the vast majority of motocross bikes in the state, although anyone who bought a two-stroke built before June 1, 2004 , would be allowed to resell the vehicle.

The bill has been referred to the Joint Committee on Natural Resources and Agriculture. Letters from Massachusetts residents opposing the bill should be sent to the committee chairwoman, Sen. Pamela P. Resor (D-Middlesex), Joint Committee on Natural Resources and Agriculture, Room 473F, State House, Boston, MA 02133

Or, Massachusetts citizens can go to the AMA Rapid Response Center at the www.AMADirectlink.com website, to send a message opposing this bill.

The American Motorcyclist Association is a nonprofit organization with more than 250,000 members. Established in 1924, the Association's purpose is to pursue, protect and promote the interests of motorcyclists, while serving the needs of its members. For more information, visit the AMA website at www.AMADirectlink.com

i also found this @

http://www.amadirectlink.com/magazine/2001/story3dec.htm

Bye Bye Two-Strokes?
New EPA rules could eliminate a whole
class of trail bikes by 2006

Is this the end of the trail for two-stroke bikes?

It seems likely.

The federal Environmental Protection Agency has proposed new regulations that would, for the first time, place limits on emissions from off-highway motorcycles and ATVs. And those regulations, which may become law early next year, could effectively outlaw two-stroke trailbikes beginning with the 2006 model year.

While the rules don’t specifically ban two-strokes, EPA officials have made it clear that they anticipate that will be the outcome of this set of regulations. Indeed, the agency believes that two-strokes will disappear from the trails just the way they disappeared from the streets a couple of decades ago following the imposition of emissions regulations on road bikes.

This is obviously a major development, with enormous implications for everyone who rides in the dirt. So here’s everything you need to know to understand this ruling:

First, this set of regulations does not cover all dirtbikes. It makes specific exceptions for “off-road competition-only machines,” vehicles “lacking lights or a spark arrester, having suspension travel of more than 10 inches, and having an engine displacement larger than 50cc.” In other words, if you race a motocross bike on an MX track, you’ll be unaffected.

In addition, manufacturers could legally continue to sell two-stroke motorcycles which don’t meet that description if they can convince the EPA the machines would be used solely for competition. In theory, this might leave open a loophole for bikes used in desert racing, hare scrambles and enduros.

Also, since the proposed regs would only affect new bikes, anyone can continue to ride motorcycles already approved for trail use.

So what does that leave? Mostly, motorcycles and ATVs that will be purchased in the future by recreational trail riders, which is still a very large percentage of the off-road market. And, although four-stroke bikes have made serious inroads into this market in the recent years, two-strokes remain popular among many riders for their light weight, their simple design and their power characteristics.

How strict are the regulations? Well, there’s some good news there. When the emissions standards were in the discussion stages, the EPA was talking about the possibility of setting specific equipment rules: a ban on two-strokes, requiring catalytic converters, that sort of thing. The AMA asked the agency to simply set performance regs and let the manufacturers decide how to meet them, and that’s what the agency has done.

However, we also asked the agency to set separate standards for two-stroke and four-stroke bikes, and it chose not to.

Can two-strokes somehow survive under the same regulations as four-strokes? It doesn’t appear likely at this time.

EMISSION STANDARDS HC NOx
g/km*  CO
g/km*
Proposed federal off-road motorcycle  standards beginning in 2006  2.0 25.0
Existing California off-road motorcycle standards 1.2** 15.0
Existing federal streetbike standards   5.0** 12.0
*HC NOx- Hydrocarbons and Oxides of Nitrogen CO-Carbon Monoxide g/km - In grams per kilometer
**Hydrocarbons only
Sources: U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, California Air Resources Board
The EPA is calling for emissions limits of 2 grams per kilometer traveled for hydrocarbons and oxides of nitrogen, and 25 grams per kilometer for carbon monoxide. That’s slightly less strict than off-road rules that went into effect in California in 1997 (see chart right), where the limits are 1.2 grams per kilometer for hydrocarbons and 15 grams per kilometer for carbon monoxide (California doesn’t regulate oxides of nitrogen).

For purposes of comparison, the current regulations governing road motorcycles are 5 grams per kilometer for hydrocarbons and 12 grams per kilometer for carbon monoxide. However, those standards were adopted 23 years ago, and the EPA has said it will propose new, stricter standards for streetbikes about the time you receive this issue. Expect a story on developments there next month.

The California standards have resulted in the virtual elimination of two-stroke machines from the trailbike market there, and the EPA clearly believes these regulations will have the same effect nationwide.

The agency does note that off-highway two-strokes could be made to meet the new emissions standards by using direct fuel-injection systems, like those being developed by Orbital Technology, and catalytic converters. However, the EPA notes, “there are several issues associated with direct injection, such as system durability and the need for high electrical-system output, that need to be resolved before it can be successfully integrated into off-highway motorcycle and ATV applications.”

“For these reasons, and because of the potential complexities and cost of a direct-injection system, we anticipate that most manufacturers would chose to convert models using two-stroke engines to four-stroke engines.’’

In other words, the EPA believes that if you ride a two-stroke trailbike now, there’s a four-stroke in your future.

How far in the future? The off-road standards, if adopted, would be partially phased-in for 2006, with 100 percent compliance required by 2007. In addition, ATVs would be required to meet even tougher standards beginning in 2009.

Until that time, manufacturers can continue to sell two-stroke machines designed for trail use. And owners of such machines could continue to use them legally even after the new standards go into effect.

As we noted earlier, a large percentage of the bikes being built for trail use are already four-strokes, so it may not seem that there’s much of a change here. Under the surface, though, there are major implications for many two-stroke riders.

Until now, the owner of a motocross bike could equip the machine with a spark arrester and an exhaust system meeting the requirements of the Forest Service or the Bureau of Land Management and legally ride it on trails administered by those two agencies. Indeed, at one time, Suzuki and Yamaha both built trail versions of motocross bikes by adding this equipment.

But with the advent of these regulations, off-highway motorcycles will be put in two different classifications. Those built for trail use will be designed to meet the standards, while those built for competition use will not. That’s likely to mean that individual users will have no way to convert an MX bike to make it legal for trail riding.

This is already the case in California, where the existing “green sticker” registration program for off-highway bikes has spawned a new competition variant. Motocross bikes still can be registered, but they receive red stickers, rather than green stickers, meaning they can only be ridden on public land during certain seasons.

Theoretically, the EPA’s proposed regulations would mean that anyone riding a motocross bike made after 2006 on public trails could be stopped and ticketed by a ranger. But as in California, the major enforcement is likely to come when a rider attempts to register a bike for trail use. Although standards vary enormously across the country, it’s likely that states will gradually adopt rules that require a bike to meet the new EPA standards before it can be registered for trail use.

It all adds up to enormous changes for many recreational trail riders across the country. If you’re one of them, and you have concerns about the direction the EPA is going, this is the time to speak up.

The AMA has prepared a response to the EPA proposal that you can send in your name by going to the Rapid Response Center. The Center also offers more background on this issue.

You can also respond to these proposed rules until December 19 by writing to: Margaret Borushko (Docket No. A-2000-01), U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, Office of Transportation and Air Quality, 2000 Traverwood Drive, Ann Arbor, MI 48105; or submitting comments by e-mail to: nranprm@epa.gov.

© 2001 by the American Motorcyclist Association
 

I don't think that they can do people will go out of work becaus that is want every gets  done to

everyone please read the last 2 paragraphs in the "Bye Bye Two-Strokes?" post. if you have a two stroke like me let them know you dont like this

to se how they might fix the problem see

Synerject Injection Systems - An Emissions Solution for 2- stroke Small Vehicle Engines  instead of or carburetted engines now

@ http://www.orbitalcorp.com.au/orbital/tp/techPapers/m_jan01.htm

as mentioned inthe bye bye 2 strokes article

they have been saying this for awhile though and just look at the population of 2-strokes out there.

look at what happend in califorina.

has any one heard of the dealerships saying any thing?

i just bought a blaster and nothing was said.

any thing that anyone knows would be greatly apreciated (or how ever it is spelled) be fore i go get another one nex mounth.
thanks in advance

Don't horses leave more fly-covered cr@p on trails full of disease that gets into the groundwater?  What is being done about this?

Imagine what a city street looked like before the automobile took root?  :o

So let me get this straight if you got a 05 yz250 w/ sparky and noise under 96 db you can ride it in the forest forever? Or in 06 even if it is made before the law it will be outlawed?

I CALLED YAMAHA @

http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/contactus/home.aspx

Yamaha Motor Corporation, USA
6555 Katella Avenue
Cypress, CA 90630

Sales, marketing and distribution of Motorcycles, ATVs, Snowmobiles, Generators and Race Kart Engines.

Customer Relations
(800) 962-7926


THEY SAID THAT TEY ARE NOT PREPAIRED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION REGARDING THIS BUT THAT THE 2006 PRODUCT LINE COMES OUT ON THERE WEB SITE http://www.yamaha-motor.com JUNE 12-13-14

does it really matter. LOL.  just kidding.  I love 4 strokes when they have aftermarket pipes, but the banshee is ok, and really fast.

what do u meen that they r being band?  Do u meen that they cant be sold in Ocala, or do u meen that they cant be riden in ONF?

IN 2009 YOU WONT BE ABLE TO RIDE IN ONF I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT CALIFORNIAS RULES YOU WILL SEE WHAT THEY MIGHT DUE TO US SOON

never heard of it so thanks for the new information

does any one know when and if this is going to take place? seen or read any thing in mags?

Its definatly happening if they don't clean up the two-stroke emmisions, its just a matter of when and how its ganna be enforced.

yamaha is still importing the 2006 2 strokes
gota love the blaster

i was told by a guy at yamaha shop they are going to stop making 2-strokes after this year

As far as the boat thing goes all the engine manufactures need to do is meet E.P.A. regulations.  I would think it would be the same for all two stroke motors.

well i don't know too much about it but if u go to yamahas web site for atvs and look at the 2006 banshee it  says
yamaha banshee the end of an era.

I JUST HEARD FROM A GUY AT ORLANDO YAMAHA  THAT 2006 IS THE LAST YEAR 2 STROKES ARE SOLD MOST LIKELY

HOW WELL CAN A 4 STROKE ANYTHING UNDER 400 CC KEEP UP WITH THE BANSHEE OFF THE LINE?
DO THEY HAVE THE THROTLE RESPONSE ANYTHING LIKE A 2 STROKE?
ARE THEY ALL SO HEAVY?
WHATS THE BEST 4 STROKE I HAVE HEARD THAT THE YZF 450 IS THE BEST ALLAROUND QUAD RIGHT NOW ANY THOUGHTS?