ATV Florida Forum

Oh how the mighty have fallen. The republican party seems to be in the mist of a an implosion and I hope they don't take the country with it.

Evidently the republicans could care less anymore what George wants and walked out on negotiations for the wall street bail-out. Palins total lack of experience and knowledge is finally catching up to her. McCain is wanting to "postpone" one of the most important presidential debates of the century. We have republicans running for office in one state that don't want to show there affiliation with republican party but instead want it to say "GOP Party". The so called christian moral party has stooped to lows that not even I would think they would go.

What a cluster, I said it before and I will say it again how anyone would even claim to be a republican right now is beyond me. Your president has run this country into near bankruptcy, your candidate says "the economy is fundamentally strong" and less than a week later wants to cancel debate to help formulate the largest bailout in the history of the world and now even republican politicians are embarrassed by there own party. What next, change the whole name of your party and hope no one notices.

I can't believe anyone would think that 4 more years of McSame could help this country. I hope you people are paying attention because this country is falling apart right in front of our eyes and one wrong move we could lose it for good and that wrong move would be to have another republican president until the dems come in and clean the mess up.

i didnt even waist my time reading your crap, i got to palins lack of experience. tell me how obamo has so much more experience and ill consider reading the rest of that bs...

X2  rolback1

You read further than I did Mr Chevy.  I got through the first sentence and started laughing.

With our current economy, our choice to fix it is between a guy worth $150 million who owns 15 homes and a millionaire with 1 home! Who do you think's going to have a greater interest? 

Republican here :M

The Fish did not just drink the cool aid, he bathes in it. When ever the dems are loosing on every front, they start with a bunch of bull schiit to move the attention away from the real problems. I am sure George B is responsible for the bank failures. That de-regulation was brought in long before GB was President.

Your suit that is running for Pres, is nothing but a Facade. He has nothiing, done nothing, knows nothing but the poor, uneducated voters like yourself can not figure out what is real and what is memorex.

The Ban on Drilling just expired and the Dems are not saying a word on that and then they are going to re-enact it, after the election. Remaining silent on this  they can try to get re-elected. If they fought the offshore drilling right now, they would go down in flames. Fish go back in your cave and come over when you can not stay as long! 8)   

Ron Paul saw this coming years ago, he's the only Republican that is a true Republican.

I really don't know how the name Obama can even come out of someone's mouth.  Any intelligent black person will tell you he's not qualified.  He's a damn joke.  Did we forget that he didn't want to wear the American Flag pin, or that he doesn't say the Pledge of Allegiance.  Does he even believe in Jesus Christ????  If he was in front of me right now, I'd kick him in the nuts and throw him out.  Obama,,,,gimme a break.

Anyone ever see the 143 days email? Thats how much experience NoBama has...

Why must everyone attack Palin? They have nothing else to say about McCain?





I can't stand a person who won't acknowledge the american flag.

My school had a private poll to see the majority of the schools political stand. 68% voted for Obama, but the catch is that about 80% of the Obama voters are not eligible to vote in the real election.

Historically the colleges and professors of this country are liberals anyway. So taking a poll at your school does not surprise me. It doesn't matter what school it is. 

Sad thing is the people on here that support Oblahma are the ones that will curse and make noise when these same people get into office and when they set policy that makes their race fuel and oil double in price. Then they will complain about how heavy their electric quads weigh. Or there is not enough wind to power them around the track!

Who really cares if he wears a little American flag pin on his jacket-does that make him ineligible to become president.  

For the pledge of allegiance comment, need to not believe every mass email that is sent to you....

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

x3 or 4 whatever it is lol.  what experience does obama have with politics?  the only job he ever had was working at KFC for 5 years cause he liked the chicken

You must be talking about our current president. rolback1

Funny that all people seem to do that support Obama is yell about how bad Bush is to them. When in fact, the subject they should be concerned with is the upcoming election and how pitiful Obama is as a potential President. The post that started this thread is some of the most ridiculous garbage I've ever read.

He's got no experience, accomplished nothing and has no ability. He's pathetic. His economic proposals, health care proposals and foriegn policy proposals are all proven unworkable and frankly stupid. Yet, everyone that follows him turns a blind eye and marches on for the sake of "change". Never mind that the "change" he preaches is crap. You're all sheep.

Like I said before you guys are a bunch of uneducated hillbillies waiting for your next beer.  I bet half the people that responded against this thread live in a mobile home or an apartment and don't know squat about what is going on in this country except for what mommy and daddy told you.

Wrong again....

what does the home someone lives in have anything to do with this?

Hey Fish, why don't you stick your head a bit deeper in the sand. You result to referring to people as hillbillies, etc. yet you are the one calling names.

If you think Obama is such a good candidate for the job, why don't you tell us why, starting with his economic policy proposals. Be sure to explain how and why his proposals will work.

Or, if you like, start with ANY of his policy proposals. I'll take you head on in a debate on it and you can believe that I'm no hillbilly. Better make sure you know your facts before trying me.

Come on Fish...take the bait.  ;)

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        Fish lay off those cheap Reno hookers  ::)

http://mcauleysworld.wordpress.com/2008/09/20/john-mccain-2006-warning-on-current-housing-crisis/

http://mcauleysworld.wordpress.com/2008/09/20/obama-pledges-to-spend-50-b-on-international-poverty-why-not-america-first/

Hey Fish! Stop googling for ammo and start posting. time to put up or shut up.

Oh, and great info AintSkeerd!  ;D

you live in reno, nevada?  why do you come onto this Florida site and complain?  Uneducated hillbillies?  Half live in a mobile home or apartment?  are you serious?  There are tons a rich people in mobile homes too and whats wrong with apartments? Lars Ulrich (drummer for Metallica) his parents and grand parents both live in this nice mobile home park south of me.  They are $185,000 + mobile homes.  Where is the slap button when you need it

I rather see them hash it out, then just freakin pass a bill for 700 Billion $.  Personally I like the Rebulican Plan better, and if you ask me that's why McCain is there.

The current plane.  Spend 700 Billion our $ to buy up Mortgages that people are defaulting on, and/or defaulted on.  This means simply, that the US Goverment is now the Mortgage Holder, of couse since they are the Mortgage Holder & the US Goverment, they can not kick ppl out of their homes.  So they restruction the mortgage to an amount that they can afford, and go from there.  

Sounds great right.  Wrong..

1st, you have to look at the ppl that already lost their homes to foreclosures, don't you think they would of liken the same protection.  The US Consititution is clear, what the Goverment does for one, they must do for all....  

2nd, the average guy says, okay, I can just barely manage my mortgage pymnts as it is, so I a get behind on mortgage, the Goverment will take over my Mortgage, restructure the payment, and I get to still live in my say $500,000 home, that is now only valued at say $400,000, and in according to economist, will continue to go down.  

The $700 Billion would just be the begining.  In additon, if Goverment continue to acquire homes, you are now turning into a Socialist State, whereas the Goverment has rights over your home.

Then Nancy Pelosi, wants to add what she calls a Stimulus Package....  Ah extended the amount of time for unemployement, is not a stimulus package, that is an unemployement package, and thats another whopping $150 Billion $...

Yes this is bad, the ecomony is bad, but we can't screw it worst by making hasting bills/laws.  I think it is good that they are hashing it out, this Country can NOT continue to bail-out companies.  Hell we, yes we, just gave 25 Billion to GM yesterday.

We would not have to be bailing out all these companies if your beloved GW and all you republican robots did not run the country into the ground in the last 7+ yrs

Yeah, nevermind all of those democrats in the house and senate. I mean, they had nothing to do with it right?

I swear, if I ever form a pro dodge ball team, I want you on it Fishy. I mean, look at how good you are about dodging my posts and avoiding any meaningful discussion on the current election and instead substituting in another gripe about GWB.

Hindsight's always 20/20. It's the forward thought that demonstrates the liberals' myopic fault.

Why can’t liberals find facts?








Answer: They aren’t looking for any.

Hey Fishy....  Why don't you do a little history check, and see which President sign in the deregulation?  Hey why don't you ask oh Barney too...  Oh, BTW, do a little further diggin and you will see why it was deregulated....  Go ahead.... i dare ya.....  Then come back and say how it was ole GW that screwed it up...  Absolutely, more sure of been done, but the blame does not lie all on one person.....  You call me nieve, wow....

Ok troll, so I assume your saying that Bush and the republicans are doing a good job?  You must be part of the 30% or so of americans that think that.  The economy is in shambles, housing market is terrible, unemployment going up, deficit going up, record oil prices low dollar values......and the list goes on and on.  I am sure your republicans that have been in control of the house and senate and the white house for 6 of the last 7+ years have nothing to do with it.  

Your a troll

You do it if you want to know, but I will tell you one thing the republicans are the king of deregulation and they are sitting on top of the heap right now,  the president is called  the commander and chief and if you ever heard the term "the buck stops here" it means the commander and chief takes responsibility for what happens on his shift.  Evidently you and your party can't except that.

And that is how you look by actually owning up to being a republican  ;D

Libs and Conservatives find facts easy-enough, but, they regurgitate them the same way the religions do with the word of God. The bottom line is that we're screwed because hicks vote for hicks, city-slickers for city-slickers, moms for moms, born-agains for born-agains, etc.. An example is when Palin proudly-introduced her Down Syndrome child, stared into the camera and promised that parents of special-needs kids will "have a friend and advocate in the White House", NO ONE CARED that McCain had previously voted against increasing funding for special-needs kids' education. No one cared when Palin charged that government is too big and Obama wants to grow it. Yet, her party has been in power during the recent years when the government has expanded the greatest. Palin has bemoned that taxes are too high and Obama will raise them, yet, Alaska ranks number one in the nation in spending per resident while it ranks 18th in federal taxes paid per resident. In other words, all non-Alaskan U.S. taxpayers spend an average of $8500 per year on each and every resident of Palin's state. Her rhetoric is fodder for millions of Americans whose first instinct(when things get tough) is to whine and blame others for the failures(the French, Mexicans, the media, gays, ungrateful blacks soaking up tax money from welfare, prisons, etc.). And, can you imagine if a side-ways-cap-wearing Obama daughter showed up pregnant? The great defenders of Morality would get their knickers all twisted in a bunch. Palin never had a passport until 2007. She didn't sell that jet on eBay and sold it at a loss to taxpayers of $600,000. On and on and on. They all suck and they all lie, so, pick your cool-aid ladies and gentlement.

Ever hear the term "trailer trash", better yet do you ever watch cops?  Watch cops sometime and look at where a majority of the calls are going and you will see a lot of "trailer trash".  Now of course I am not saying everyone who lives in a trailer is that way because I know they are not but my reference to people in trailers had more to do with the fact that they don't have two nickels to rub together and yet they support republicans or most likely just like to try to stay on the winning side.  Unfortunately they picked the wrong side in this case.

First, If you have been paying attention to news outlets other than Mother Jones, The Nation and Daily Kos you would know that most of this mess was started with Jimmah Cawtah. Then, the almighty Bill Clinton and the Dems at that point (with RINO Repubs) was taking heat from ACORN to let everyone purchase a home whether they were good for it or not: No down payments, job history and proof of income.
The economy is taking a hit because of policies that Dingy Harry Reid and queen bee Nancy Pelosi rammmed through their respective branches without proper debate and no chance for amendments to made. Most of this fouled gas prices and food prices going up can be traced to their policies and subsidizing our food to make "alternative fuel." Anyone that has been into buiding performance engine any amount of time knows that ethanol is a very inefficient fuel. It takes one and a half to 1 3/4 more of it to produce the same amount of horsepower.
Drill Here Drill Now Save the United States from People that have learned so much from secondary education that their ability to reason has fallen out of their head!

Hello, Mcfly....  who signed the deregulations...  You always accuse me a telling lies, and scare tactics....  Hello, who signed it????  Would you like a hint....

BTW does anyone here me on the Bush Ban-Wagon..... 3

Oh yea, if Bush has so much control, then why in the hell can't he get this bill pass....  WHO has controll....  HOUSE and SENATE....  And if you could read between the line, let me spell it out for you, obviously I don't agree w/Bush on this Bail out plan.  There has to be a better option...  So what does that make me. It makes me a person looking for the candidate that makes the most sense...  If even in this election I would rather a little better choices, but IT IS WHAT IS....  I rather a candidate, such as McCain, that went against the Congression Rebulicans this week, and said, wait a minute, are you sure this is the best plan...  

Look at McCain and Obamas Voting...  Obama is 100% Democrat - In other words, no matter the Bill, it says Democrat, well by God I am going to pass it...  McCain is about 65-70% Republican.  Yes, he usually votes Republican, but at the least, he is willing to go outside party lines.  But see that's not as deep as the average American want's go....  They will just follow their party line, and listen to the campaign adds, and go from there.  And anyone who disagrees, well they are just some right-wing nut job.....  Not realizing all along, they are making themselves look like some left-wing nut job....  

Bush increase spending way more than Clinton did, Clinton new how to balance deregulation. Bush couldn't balance a check book. If currently this was a democrate as president would you stick up for him like you are GWB? :-\

Yes your right, the dems have been in control of the house and senate for less than 2 years.  But for some reason a lot of the things I have mentioned seem to have started before the dems took control.  Chero, why don't you just come out and say you think GW is doing a great job.

McCain is claiming to be the maverick who can bring the parties together. I admire the fact that he suspended his campaign on Wednesday in an attempt to convince the Repubes to work with the Dems to get a bail-out package done. But, less than 2 days later, he's apparently given up and flew to tonight's debate. If an agreement is soon made, he'll deserve some credit. If the next debate rolls around without a bail-out agreement, he's no maverick.  

1st I will answer this.... then I will go back to fishy ;)

What was McCain to do.  Allow Barrack to stand there for 90 minutes and just have the floor to himself... 

The point that McCain was TRYING to make, at a time when both parties need to come together, this ain't the time to debating.  He asked Obama to put off the Debate until Monday or Tuesday, once this crisis was settled.  Barrack made it clear he was not going to do that.  So what, McCain is just suppose to stay in DC and let Obama have the floor. 

and this is how you look :Clown.gif giving so much love to  O0.

Why does a "Fishaholic" move to a state that has no coastline? 

  Let me guess, based on your intelligence,  you bought some ocean front property in Nevada on Ebay.
  You should have gone ahead and moved over one more state and joined the rest of the fruits and nuts.

Do you not even read what I post.....  If I was such a Big Bush Ban Wagoner, then why am I against the plan he proposed....

Since you can't answer the question I gave you, Clinton signed the deregulation...  

We need a candidate that go BEYOND PARTY LINES, that does not vote or side on whatever party is voting which way.  I do not think that Bush is end all of end all Presidents, surely we have had better, and we can do better.  But I will say that Bush gets a lot of the blame for things that have gone wrong, and that is not fair.  You have to look at the whole picture....

The bottom line is this.  Party lines need to stop being drawn!!!!!  Congress & Senate need to start voting on what make sense, and what is best for this Country, regarless of which party put the Bill in.  That's all I am saying...  

With this election, I would of LOVED to see Hillary get the Nomination, I really believe she brings alot more to the table than Obama.  Honestly I feel people are going for Obama just because he ain't Republician, you honestly need to go MUCH DEEPER than that.  You HAVE to look at the candidate.  

Nobody, I mean Nobody, get's a little tick about what this guy has said, printed, and published.  Nobody lookos at who this guy is affiliated with.  All they care, oh, this ain't no GW...  So good Lord, Mickey Mouse could run on the Democratic Ticket, and you freakin vote for him.  I would vote for Mickey Mouse before I would vote for this guy...

You have no idea what I even stand for.  I certainly don't toe the party line of either party.  If your remark about living on the coast has anything to do with offshore drilling then your wrong because I am all for it.  For the most part I think we should drill anywhere within reason that we can.

You on the other hand can't even admit your party screwed up a whole lot of stuff in less than 8 years

Nothing going to change until there's campaign finance reform in this country.
Vote for Mickey mouse then what do you call GWB an enlarge douche.

No difference then when Clinton was president they blamed everything on him (and I don't remember everyone blaming the conservative media everytime something bad was said about Clinton)  but there is a difference because the country was in pretty good shape when he left office after 8 years and we can't say the same about this a#$wipe......oooops I mean president.

I truly find Palin to be highly-attractive and intelligent, so, I've got an answer for Palin when she's asked why she'd had no passport until last year. She should tell them that she prefers to travel within the United States to see what this beautiful country has to offer instead of sending her money and the taxpayer's money overseas(to places like France and other countries). But, she should stop short of saying that those other countries don't do their fair share to help resolve the world's ills.

to answer a lot of questions, we are in war because bush isn't a PU$$Y.  Clinton was too much of a bone smoker to go to war, instead he ran with his tail between his legs.  It's not the end of the world, we are in a little pinch right now...the worst is yet to come.  Do you really think Obama will fix everything? Your ignorant if you do...no president will "fix" everything, and this war is far far far from over.  Just FYI

I don't think Obama will fix everything, but I sure know he won't screw everything up like Bush has and McSame votes with Bush 90% of the time.

Hey at least your not denying that Clinton is a scardy cat...

We need to finish the job we started, doesn't matter who or what started it.



Obama does not have a plan that impresses me...about anything.  Especially budgeting and spending.  Like I said, I'm listening to him make a fool of himself on MSNBC right now.

Actually it does matter who or what started it or else we are destined to find ourselves in this situation again and with McSame voting with Bush 90% of the time that is exactly where we are headed.

So Obama is going to do what now? Please inform me on what NoBama thinks he's going to do to "fix" the war status...I'm not watching the debate anymore

LMFAO!!!

Fish, you are completely pathetic. You dodge issues, you name call, you obviously don't understand politics and the proposals of the candidates and you are stuck whining about the past. In fact, that's all you seem to come across as is a sore, whiny, hollow, uninspired and uninformed bitter person.

Oh, and your boy Obama??? He's getting handled in the debates.

And one more thing...I am still waiting on you to even attempt to compare Obama to McCain on any level whatsoever. Of course, that would be almost unfair...you better get help...and lots of it. :o

Your right, I can't compare Obama to McSame because Obama is hands down a better choice for our country but I can compare McSame to Bush since he seems to agree with him 90% of the time.

Your a troll BTW

Okay, so now I am a troll? That's pretty funny.

You say Obama is a better choice yet, all of his policy proposals are unworkable. Tell you what, why don't you give us all an example and scholl us trailer dwelling, beer swilling hillbillies on just why he's such a better choice. Go ahead, we'll wait.

I mean, all you've done is sout off at the mouth about how bad Bush is, called all of us names (singling me out as a troll fo some odd reason...maybe because I am crushing you), dodged every single question or request for a single bit of basis for your blabber and made yourself look like an utter and complete fool.

Your a troll

That's it, I am telling Mom you called me names.

Look, why don't you just admit it. You're out matched on this one and incapable of debating the issues because you're scared and know you have no clue what you're talking about? It's already obvious to the rest of us.

Troll

Oh, that hurts....so bad....you big meanie!

What's wrong? Mad now that someone is here to dominate you and challenge your useless babble? No need to be scared. If you are confident in your abilities, open the can and lets get into the issues. Trust me, you will lose.

I don't debate trolls.

Troll

Nah, that's not the case. Tell the truth. The fact is, you can't handle me intellectually and you're scared of me. everyone knows it...but you.

cluck...cluck...cluck.

Troll

Anoriginal here.  ;)

You lose.

If you are Anoriginal, send me a pm right now from his account

Um, I deleted the account about three weeks ago. But trust me...it's me...in the flesh and I am very disappointed in you.

Now go to bed! You're grounded!

pm me something from your current account on something we have argued about as anoriginal

Hang on...tell you what. Here's something...I had a son on march 14th of this year and even posted somethign about jumping into a debate you were involved in at the time. When I did, Erik (trx#9) told me I couldn't play and that I was on diaper duty for the next several months.

Then he and I held hands and skipped to the fuzzy pickle for drinks and a lap dance from the 350lb Mexican one legged stripper that works there named Souixe.

Yeah, it's me.

It's him, he sent me a haulmark card saying he loves me again, he so persistent. ::)

Stop playing hard to get! You know you love me too.

That's it. I am going to bed. For real this time. The diet Coke caffine is starting to wear off (stupid me, drinking a diet Coke before bed) and I've got a full day of honey do's tomorrow.

Fish, you're still grounded.

Ok, I will play your game, why did you delete your account, I noticed a lot of people leaving lately?

Hypocrisy...

I, for one out of many, don't want to see Oblahma turn this country into a socialist state with the help of the current congress. If it happens that the Dems end up with a majority and the White House, they will do their level best to turn this country into a communist state. You really need to research Oblahma and his Marxist ideas. This country is great because of individualism, not because we take from those with ability and give to those that need (although we are doing that with the "Great Society" started by Johnson). Sounds like he wants a nanny government telling what he can and cannot do and to take care of his needs and dementia.
If you are so good at reasoning and reading, read both The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and tell us where you find in either of them where it is government's job to provide for you. The Dems have done a fantastic job of promoting wealth envy to the point that they use the tax code to control behavior.
Sad that people don't know or don't want to know how and why this country was founded. It is the belief that a government big enough to provide for you can also take from you.
Hopefully a new revolution will happen and we get back to the founding principles.