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Another good reason to vote for John McCain!


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VPILF ;D

 :o LMAOFF   :o me too though ;)

This is the worst pick McCain could ever come up with.  :'(

He lost my vote.

Yeah but you're a democrat.....lol....

Nope I think more g@y....... nice photoshop there wacker ;)

have gun, will travel!

Independent!!!

 I could barely log on, No photoshop here just an e-mail I got. i think its her ;)

Just busting your chops. ;)

Great pic and great pick

even though they are photo chopped, i bet if she got into that skirt and heels she would resemble the pic. YEAH BABY!!!!!

Photo shop or not I already wanted to tear it up before I seen them pics.

Here's your great pick...What a Bimbo!
YouTube: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=WiOIEGM7XEs

Bimbo or not shes still one hot mom

This sum it up pretty good
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The only different between Obama and Osama is BS

you gonna vote for ralph nater?

She killed the Dems last night. She said it like it is. She has nothing to lose by playing politics.

Osama is not going to be elected President. Not in America anyway. Perhaps Indonesia, Kenya or some other muslim radical nation. 

Excellent comparison... :ThumbsUp.gif

whats the difference between a hockey mom and a pitbull   ... lipstick  love it , down with obama

I think shes a great pick. Shes into the same stuff we are as far as hunting and fishing. Her family isn't perfect with the daughter being knocked up at 18 but hell thats the kind of person i want someone who is the average american.

and Obama put it to the Republicans last Thurs.  Just because McCain served and Obama didn't, we should vote for McCain, right?  Negative.  The conventions are a joke.  They say everything we want to hear to get us pumped.  The real test will be the debates.
 
Bill Maher said it best when he said he couldn't believe the Dems could fill 84,000 seats @ Invesco Field and wondered if the Republicans could fill a stadium with loud, screaming fans.  Then he remembered they did a few years back at the Superdome during Katrina.

He wasn't going to win against Clinton either.  And if you still believe Obama is a Muslim, you're an idiot.

Republicans had nothing to do with filling that stadium up with those people...it was the Dumb Azzes like Mr. Chocolate city and the Louisiana government  ::)...Bill Maher ha ha whoooo !! nuf said.....looks like You've been brushing up on the ol' liberal play book.. ;D....Funny how nobody had to send anything to the folks in the Iowa region when they lost most of their homes, jobs, cars in that recent tragedy/flood???? Billy Maher have anything to say about that??  ::) Tired old arguments......keep your glass ready because those dems. will be serving a whole lotta fruity koolaide over the next couple of months  :-*   

Obama in december  :o


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The old saying was never so true as this!!!! 

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I would also like to add.... Dang, McCain has hot in his day....   ;)

Must pull the Liberal card when someone dozen agree with right wing views. Is that your first play in your play book, can you come up with something a little more compelling. Regardless your scare tactics and the right wingers tactics are going to sway people to Obama.
Anyway's, McCain is supported by the same old greasy lobbyist that  backed Bush, so why the hell would anyone want to vote for more of that. Remember to pick a candidate that is not a corporate puppet of oil, insurance, halinburten etc, because American is being ruin over this. >:(
And the only reason McCain picked Palin for vice president is because she is a women. Basically showing political correctness and if I remember right someone here is against this "political correctness is killing our country" stuff. ;D
Vote Ralph Nader......... 8)

So it seems this has turned into a dead heat race between Palin and Obama, doesn't it?  The healthcare remark from Mcsame is kinda funny!  Healthcare-you know, aka insurance, has sucked since Bill and Hillary left office and if you can find an argument to that, then I might applaud you.  Taxes are necessary and if you believe in no more taxes, refer back to the douchebag's father that is currently in office that originally made that statement and enstated taxes a few months after his accepting presidency election.  They all lie, but the republicans cost us more!!!

Big D-that's a good picture and pretty impressive for a rasict f*^k!  If you think I'm pulling a race card refer back to your pic. 

So you're saying the people in Iowa had no aid-go back and check the record.  Still receiving aid and yes you and I are still paying for it.  If the gov't is giving handouts, there are people that are going to take it, no matter what creed or color.  So let's move on!  :drive.gif

viva fidel! :lecture.gif

What is going on around here!? I thought this was going to be a stimulating discussion about the possible VP Sarah Palin and yet I see an "off color" pic about senator Obama in a "Driving Miss Daisy" role?  Thank you apkkfx400 for speaking up and saying what needed to be said. I am glad to see that there are compassionate and intelligent people like you that still exist around here. I haven’t been coming on this board much lately because of all the nasty and hurtful things people do and say on this board. It’s one thing to disagree about someone because you may not believe in what they are saying or stand for, but to start talking about assassinating someone and posting things with so much racial undertone is so sickening and appalling. It has gotten so bad lately that I am honestly thinking about getting out of this sport all together. Everyone knows that it is much more fun to ride with fellow riders but honestly, how comfortable would someone feel if they knew the person or people that they met for a “group ride” actually hated them just because they were of a different race. I love this sport and love riding with new people regardless of their race, sex, or creed. I’ve always treated people with respect regardless of who they were but I am starting see that many people on here do not feel the same way I do and it is very disheartening.   

yep thats me alright!   How did you like Hillary in the back seat?
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I have more...... ;)
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That's fo shizzle  :-*

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By the way LMAO at the above pics whoooo!!!!

yeah its funny on either side of the aisle!!!  ;)

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The hate and fear expressed on this thread and other topics is acceptable because they all wear their helmets when riding ATVs! But, it's exactly the kind of attitudes that caused so many people to vote for Hillary and why so many will be voting Obama.

if you truly have any morals and/or patriotism theres only 1 choice thats mccain/palin osama is a joke andthe only votes he will get are because he's black dont get me wrong if i had a dozen choices i probably wouldnt pick mccain but obama is a stupid racist muslim [yes i am saying a black person can be racist  :o and dont give me some BS about it was his pastor bla bla thats like if i went to kkk meetings and said i wasnt racist because i wasnt leading the meeting] im not sayin the republican party is perfect but its like buying a new car and picking between a kia and a lexus neither is a lambo but it doesnt really take alot of thought

thats not what this is about he [obama] is racist lol i think if a presidential candidate can have slanted views on race we all should since he would be the leader of the country ;)

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I can't vote for Obama simply because none of his plans make any sense and for the most part, are unworkable.

I wasn't a McCain fan either. However, for President, there really is no comparison. Obama isn't the man for the job.

Here's a good reason to vote for McCain over Obama. Obama's economic policy plans. These are facts, not opinions and you can even look them up on Obama's own website.

Obama proposes spending billions (that we don't' have) on infrastructure rehab ($60 billion) and green energy($210 billion). While this makes great sense in the long run, we simply can't afford it. When asked about this fact, Obama has no answer and quickly changes the subject.

Obama wants to do all that he can to strengthen America's unions so that they can "lift up America's middle class once again". Well, every economist agrees that Unions are quickly pricing themselves out of existence. Look at the layoffs all of the automakers implemented over the recent past because with Unions, you get less productivity at a higher price. Again, this simply doesn't make sense.

Obama wants to further subsidize college education. However, government subsidies only increase tuition over the long run. So, while it sounds great to would be voters to tell them he'll get the government to pay for college educations, it has a negative impact on cost over the long run.

Obama's tax plan within his economic policies are equally unbelievable. Granted, they sound GREAT to would be voters who don't understand the consequences. First, he says he wants to almost double the earned income tax credit and triple it for minimum wage earners. Also, he wants to establish a mortgage interest tax credit over and above that in place already. Yet, at the same time, these tax credits combined with the $65 billion expansion of health insurance and the plans discussed above come out to over $800 billion ($800,000,000,000.00)in cost to the tax payers. The higher proposed taxes on the rich (which he openly advocates despite the fact they already pay more than 85% of the tax in the US) can't cover this spending. So....guess who gets to pick up the tab? The already suffering and disappearing middle class. Again, this simply doesn't make economic sense.

Speaking of taxes, The Wall Street Journal took a hard look at Obama’s tax plan. They figure (as do countless other economists) that Obama's tax plan will mean a 52% income/payroll tax, 28% capital gains tax, 40% dividend tax, 40% personal income tax and a whopping 55% estate tax. If that doesn't make you sick, you need to take your pulse to see if you're not already dead.

You cannot expect to use government to drive the economy at the cost of free markets and capital. It doesn't work. History shows us on countless levels that this is a bad idea. Just look at your European nations that are growing. All of them are supporting capital, not taxing it to death. Again, this isn't opinion, it's cold hard fact available to anyone.

I am going to have to agree with Anoriginal on this one.

I modified my last post. Sorry, it was a bit long.

I would bet that in person most of the people on here wouldn't act like or say the things they do on the internet.

He proclaims that he wants to raise the taxes on the rich. What core group of citizens do you think he is trying to target with that empty promise? If you're to blind to see through his rhetoric than so be it but don't complain if he gets elected and you then see that all of his efforts are focused on the advancement of the lower income families or minorities alone. Oh,and don't complain when you start to see the after effects from his stance on the war and security in general. When you start to see an increase in terrorist attacks due to our throttling back it will be to late to fix it. If you truly feel he is the better candidate than vote for him but please don't vote for Obama because you think it's the popular thing to do or because you are anti republican. If experience and a back ground of defending our country alone isnt enough to sway you than you must have blinders on. Facts are facts people. Vote American.Vote McCain.

Did you see the one with Bush coming out of the store with golf clubs.... that one cracks me up too!

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good ones  ;D

Confucius say's, If you take substract the 10 billion were spending in Iraq every month those numbers will look much better. ;)

And they call me big dummy......... Are you talking about retiree from Iraq or not giving our man and women the equipment needed to do the job?

You are the king of the big dummies. I'm talking about ending the war will save us 10 billion a month. :stoogies.gif

not me, i'm just as retarded in person :P

You seem to be. Who else would have an alligator farm under their truck. ???

it was my neighbors car. it was his farm.  hey julian, don't let a few bad apples ruin it for you. let's get a group ride going again at croom again. that was awesome.

i agree im not sure who was president during the pearl harbor deal but we need him back in office we shoulda done the same thing with iraq and afghanistan etc...we shoulda lit the mother#%@s up   <sofa peeky>

How does he plan to do that?

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Here is another thing I don't really get...  First I ask, how many go to Church?  How many of you went to that same Church for 20 years, w/the same same Pastor, same Preacher, same Priest?  How many of you had that same Pastor, that not only, you been going to him for 20 years, listening to him preach, he baptises your children, he stands for you when you are married....  You have been listening to this man for 20 years, and this what he preaches....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAYe7MT5BxM

Trust me!  If I walked into a Church, and there was some man preaching hate the black man, hate, hate, hate, hate...  I would get up, and walk my butt right out of that Church.  And in no way would I stay in that Church for 20 years, allow that man to marry me, allow that man to Baptise my kids, unless I believe in what he had to say......  But that just might be me....

yeah, you're right.  America's infrastructure definitely doesn't need any work.  Just ask any affected loved one in the Bridge that crumbled during rush hr. traffic in Minnesota. 

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/transportation/4219981.html

I also like being detoured every few months for failed water mains that have been in need of updating for years.  That really does make sense now that I think about it.  This would create way too many jobs for US construction workers to get done and paid for.  I would really hate for a president to spend money on his own country. Anoriginal please list any drugs or medications you might be on because I would like to stay away from them so I do not corrupt any logical thought!!  The economy sucks, construction co.'s are running out of work-construction workers are losing jobs in the US and we do not want to re-structure the infrastructure of America because it costs too much??!!?  Now if that isn't the dumbest thing I have heard all week maybe year.  Wake the F up America-we need a new policy.  Or I guess our construction workers can go overseas to work in a hostile enviroment to make a hella lot of money but risking their lives to do so.  Send a briefcase for the money and a bag for the bodies of the father's and mother's that had no other choice than someone waving money in their face to re-establish a country we just got finished invading!!

Of course this is coming from a blue collar, white male, struggling to stay in lower to mid range of the middle class-so forgive me for being swayed from the radical right wing point of view-because that sux too!!

and on top of that McSame changes his political stand point and figured out that the country does need change.  Didn't Obama start that a few months back when debating against Hillary?  Jumping on a band wagon a little too late I would say!  He also is now stating he is not serving for the repubs. or dems.-he wants to serve for the people.  Wow, how things have changed to obtain the undecided and Clinton votes!!  Whatever it takes I suppose.

McCain had his oppurtunity in the 2000 race against Bush, but loss due to questionable politics from Karl Rove, Bush's campaign mgr at the time.  Bringing up the illegitimate black child McCain is a father to. Thus, ultimately causing McCain to lose in a few states-one of those being a heated race in SC to Bush.  Good job repubs.-should've gone after a new candidate-you had a very long eight years to find a younger, new fresh model to represent your deluded thoughts. Let me clue you in, it's not Palin.  That is the only thing people are getting excited about on that card, and unfortunately that excitement has blood rushing to the wrong head.

Okay, so it's clear you're angry. Now, put aside the clouded thought for a minute and read the following very very carefully and then attempt to answer the question. Ready? Here it comes.

All of the construction Obama proposes is wonderful when it comes to new jobs, etc. However, (and here's the question for you) how will we pay for it?

That's it. Simple. Just one question. Answer it. Obama sure can't.

China, isn't that the answer?  Just borrow more money from China. 

I'm sure you're going to hate the real answer, but it is taxes.  There are taxes that need to be dropped and new ones implemented.  It's inevitable.  A country can not rely soley on the gov't to pull us out, it's also up to to the citizens.

Um, did you actually read what I wrote and even attempt to confirm my figures? Never mind, that was a dumb question on my part...of course you didn't.

Anyway, can you stand more tax? I sure can't. Look at the math. It doesn't work. Oh, and those contracts you're so concerned with, who do you think will get them? Mainstream local contractors? No way. Affirmative action, bid incentives and political correctness will ensure that minority contractors (not the most qualified or lowest bidding) will get the contracts.

If you're a tax paying citizen who doesn't live off of any government hand out, it is the equivolent of cutting your own throat to vote for Obama.

Finally, re-read your quote:


Yet, by advocating these infastructure, tax heavy, government created project, you're preaching exactly what you claim to be against. Relying on these types of foolhardy plans IS relying soley on the government to pull us out and taking the control away from the citizens. :o

how are we paying billions a month for the war?-answer it, come on.  And we can't spend money to re-build the United States of America.  That's real scary.  

If a majority of the infrastructure of America fails so does the country!  Think about it-just a little.  You have to spend money to make money.  Businesses have also fallen into this false sense of hope. And that is if we ignore the problems of minor fixes that cost money to repair the problem they hopefully will go away or hell just sell the company for millions and leave the problems for the next guy.  Real ideal and real ethical.

First, you try to answer the question posed to you. I know and you do to, how we're paying for the war. In addition, we all know it was and is about oil. Tell you what, I have no problem with it either.

I'm not drumming you down but, you need to really think about what you're posting and get a better grasp on basic macro economics. Your posts are not making sense.

the citizens to spend money on those enstated taxes douche-that is what I meant by the citizens obligation.  Your fuzzy math figures make no point.  I can make up figures all day about repub. spending and you can go back and double check them.  The war, how are we paying for the war???  This money, when the war is done, can not go back into the US economy???   By the way, I haven't contradicted myself once-try again.

What am I claiming to be against?- enlighten me, oh enlightened one. 

It says a lot about you if you think this war is about oil.  With that comment, this uneducated (from your side) debate  is over.  Go listen to the right wingers on your am dial and figure out some retalliation points.  As far as your comment about not making sense, the only sense I can make of that is gone and done flown over your head son.  Stay in school, go back to school or shut the f up.

God Bless America!! 
and please increase some taxes to go toward education so I don't waste time on garbage like this.

Okay, so now I am a douche? You know, it is a fact that when someone is outclassed in a discussion or when they are wrong and can't get out of it, they usually resort to name calling.  :-* I especially like the stfu comment. Classy and a wonderful demonstration of intellect.

Anyway, let me slow this one down for you bit by bit so that you don't miss anything.

1. You"ve now changed gears and subjects and you're talking about the war. How are we paying for it? A GIANT defense budget. Is any infastructure in the US failing as a result thereof? Nope.

2. Fuzzy math and making up figures. Well, I hate to break this to you, but my math isn't fuzzy and my figures come from Obama's web site. So, if you think these figures are made up, you should probably write good old Barak and let him know...not me. Also, my figures are backed by just about every single economist on the face of the planet when it comes to Obama's tax plans. Want an example? Start with the single most important financial publication on earth, ie.- The Wallstreet Journal.  ;)

3. Contradictions. Hey, again, re-read your quote. You said that we can't rely on the government to pull us out. Okay, I agree with that. In fact, that's EXACTLY what I posted originally. Yet, you then seem to be all for these government funded, taxpayer driven rehab projects and act as if they will somehow "save" us. I hate to break it to you but, that IS reliance on the government to pull us out. So, yeah, you did contradict yourself.

4. You are really not making sense from an economic standpoint. You might want to get someone else to post for you or something. Again, I'm not drumming you down, I'm just saying that maybe you have a point to make but it's getting lost in your translation to text or something.  :)


Take deep breaths and relax. You're going to stroke out with that type of anger.


P.S.

One of my Bachelor's Degrees is in Economics.  ;D  Magna Cum Laude  WOOT!!!

3. Contradictions. Hey, again, re-read your quote. You said that we can't rely on the government to pull us out. Okay, I agree with that. In fact, that's EXACTLY what I posted originally. Yet, you then seem to be all for these government funded, taxpayer driven rehab projects and act as if they will somehow "save" us. I hate to break it to you but, that IS reliance on the government to pull us out. So, yeah, you did contradict yourself.

How does the gov't get money, genius? 

You guys can all keep arguing politics if ya want?  I just ran a batch thinking about our potential vice president in that wierd teacher sort of way...is that bad?

Oh, wait....I know this one....ummmm....

Taxes????

This is going to be humorous. So, go ahead, run with it and show some more of that stellar reasoning you've already demonstrated. I am ready for the laughs. 

Love,

Your "son"   rolback1


Only if you were holding a chicken in one hand.

Okay, let me clarify.  The gov't can not do it alone-back to the word solely.  The McCain card claims that Obama is going to be out of control with taxes.  Does that mean McCain will not propose any new taxes or increase current ones.  How does a country get out of a deficit it has created without taxes and some obligation from its citizens?  Going back to my statement, it was that the gov't can not do it alone-we need to contribute and not whine when a new tax idea is brought in.  When words are twisted or taken out of context, I guess you can call that contradiction.

No twisting here. I quoted you direct. However, you're making good sense now and I appreciate that. This is what a discussion should be.

Anyway, McCain's economic policy isn't based on pork barrel tax generating ideas. Rather, his is based upon tax incentives in certain sectors, elimination of special interest fueled spending, and an end to heavy funded handout programs that have done nothing but created a class of people with a sense of entitlement without sacrifice. Very little increased taxation is required if you trim the fat from the budget.

Honestly, I am drifting to sleep. I am going to bed. I'll check in tomorrow. I love a good debate.

Sir, (since I've been warned about name calling)

so I did re-read my quote, it stated that we can not rely soley on the gov't. Let's get this cleared up-never stated that I thought we could do it without gov't policies/ideas.

I say we get all the lazy people on welfare and let them do all the work to fix the infrastructure of this country. Make them earn those food stamps and those welfare checks. Also get them fixed in the hospital while they are having that child for FREE!!

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1031268,CST-NWS-tax30.article

unfortunately, I'm not in the 250k + tax bracket or else I would probably looking for a new party.

these all can't be wrong-can they, follow the bouncing hyperlinks.

uhoriginal-this is a good one for ya!!-you know wall street journal and all.  ur fuzzy math suh suh suh uh uh uh ux.



here is an original sumthing (sic) from the Wall Street Journal.....good try!!

In contrast, John McCain offers what would essentially be a third Bush term, with his economic speeches outlining $3.4 trillion of tax cuts over 10 years beyond what President Bush has already proposed and geared even more to high-income earners. The McCain plan would lead to deficits the likes of which we have never seen in this country. It would take money from the middle class and from future generations so that the wealthy can live better today.

Sen. Obama believes a focus on the middle class is appropriate in the wake of the first economic expansion on record where the typical family's income fell by almost $1,000. The Obama plan would cut taxes for 95% of workers and their families with a tax cut of $500 for workers or $1,000 for working couples. In addition, Sen. Obama is proposing tax cuts for low- and middle-income seniors, homeowners, the uninsured, and families sending a child to college or looking to save and accumulate wealth.

The Obama plan would dramatically simplify taxes by consolidating existing tax credits, eliminating the need for millions of senior citizens to file tax forms, and enabling as many as 40 million middle-class filers to do their own taxes in less than five minutes and not have to hire an accountant.

Sen. Obama also recognizes that small businesses are the engine of job growth in the economy. That is why he is proposing additional tax cuts, including a tax credit for small businesses that provide health care, and the elimination of capital gains taxes for small businesses and start-ups. The vast majority of small businesses would face lower taxes under the Obama plan than under the McCain plan. In addition, Sen. Obama supports reforming corporate taxes in a manner that would help create jobs in America and simplify the tax code by eliminating distortions and special preferences.


love ya,

me

I hate that pesty NYP---

http://www.nypost.com/seven/06142008/news/nationalnews/obama_tax_plan_raises_big_bracket_115443.htm

Maybe I'm debating against a millionaire, and if so, excuse my ignorance, I thought you were one of us.

just a jab on this one-we need to stay dependent on fossil fuels and old ideas-j/k

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/#jumpstart

it seems like a difficult choice doesn't it?  Usually a war boosts the economy doesn't it?.....what went wrong.....

http://yementimes.com/article.shtml?i=1145&p=business&a=2

uhoriginal-yup.  Maybe I'm the blind one that doesn't see that the proposed tax plans are geared for people that are making a hella lot more money than me-even combined.  Maybe I'm the deluded one making just over 100k combined and that  is rich and I need to vote for Palin/Mcsame because their ideas are brand new-cough, cough-b.s.!! 

America does need to change, but I'm pretty sure when Mccain speaks of a change it is his diaper.

and you might have missed these first two hyperlinks if you started looking on page 4 1st--so....

http://www.atvflorida.com/forum/index.php/topic,35408.50.html

good job on that fuzzy math...no wait...thought..no wait....idea..no wait...policy!!  It must be me, right? silly repub. logical ideas are for everyone else!!

heres a link for you guys that own a gun  http://www.gunbanobama.com/

as a multiple gun owner, I'm confident that the 2nd Amendment will not be changed. His stand is basically leaving up to state legislatures to decide gun laws-I can agree with that!

So back to these so-called tax breaks McCain is going to give...

I hate the fact that I don't fall in the tax brackets that McCain will be giving the biggest breaks to!!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/09/ST2008060900950.html

You do bring up an excellent point.  Would you not say two years ago the economy was much better. You would have to agree the last two years the economy has been on a down hill ride, kind of like a snow-ball!  What went wrong?  What Changed?  Congress!  How much power do you really think the President has over the economy?  Yes President has power, but Congress has even more power.  The President has the right to veto Congres, and Congress must pass the legislation that the President puts forth to Congress.  

Well, we now have a strong Democratic Congress, it's the majority.  This is the strongest Democratic Congress since 1993, (gee ain't that when interest rates where like anywhere for 8 - 11% for mortgages. - Republican Congress Interest Rates where down to 5.25% - 6% - but they are on there way back up) Two or Three years ago, all the Democrats were promising the "CHANGE" let them Congress, and they will make things CHANGE...  Well they have certainly done that.  

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/12/20071206-14.html

One dont be so confident your 2nd Amendment rights?  Anything could change...

So instead of Tax Breaks, you rather pay higher taxes....  That's what the Democratic Congress is already pushing for...  And if Democrats get their universal medical insurance coverage, who do you think is going to pay for that, higher taxes... 

higher taxes?  Did you look at the tax increase/decrease graph at all?  The economy was snowballing for more than two yrs-come on.  Nothing this severe can be fixed in 2 yrs no matter what parties are in congress.  Interest rates were at an all time low and people were buying houses faster than they could be built.  Of course lowering rates will make getting into a home more affordable.  It's that pesky monthly mortgage that just doesn't seem to quit.  Why have foreclosures increased so much in the last 4yrs?

Dumocrats, what are ya gonna do with them? You cant educate them, and you certainly cant kill them....unless of course your another Dumocrat.
R.I.P. V. Foster ???

1st quoting the Washington Post means nothing to me, bcz I know the Washington Post News Paper is a Liberal News paper...  I tend to look at resources, case studies, and non-partison sources...  Such as below...  I will surely look into what you point out in regards to McCain's stand on Taxes, and I will tell you this, McCain is not my first choice, but Obama is no where close on my list...

http://www.congresslink.org/print_lp_electionsim_casestudies_resources.htm#democrats

Take the time to research the meaning of the two parties.  Honestly I think it is sad that there is such a party-line now-a-days, but there is.  It's almost to the point of two different styles of goverment....

I choice the party that best matches my beliefs and what i stand for... 

Anoriginal, You should have only read this much to see that he believes anything he reads. Its obvious, He blames everything on Bush or Republicans. I guess its the presidents  fault that this bridge collapsed. I know that it couldn't be these lazy azz workers that are hired today that people call inspectors, that don't have a clue how to inspect crap, but they do know how to sign their name on that check that they receive every week for showing up and acting like they know what they are doing.

  All I know is that I cannot afford any more taxes. The Democrats normally RAISE taxes to pay the way for lazy people who dont want to work and just feed off the system, along with medical for illegal immigrants who do not even pay taxes but make up a group that has increased the crime rate by 40% . Lets face it the people running our country are financially loaded and will not increase taxes on themselves so that leaves us the disappearing middle class to pay for all the special programs. You wanna stimulate our economy get rid of whats holding us back. How can we spend money on things which keeps business going and inturn lowers the unemployment rate if all our money is spent paying taxes. Get rid of all the freeloaders cutting off the foodstamps, wic checks and other handouts to individuals capable of working and illegal immigrants. We don't need anymore taxes just trim the fat off the budget.

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For the record, as Senator:

Obama co-sponsored a Bill that would provide funding for social services for NON citizens... 

Voted YES to allow ILLEGAL aliens to access OUR Social Security...

Oh yea, and voted NO to declare ENGLISH as the official language of the US Goverment.....

did a search on WSJ.com and couldn't find that, but again found this...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121867201724238901.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

yunt, I was simply agreeing with the plan to restructure America's infrastructure.  I'm not attempting to put the blame on any party or one person for the collapse of the bridge.  Making a significant point that this is not the only outdated structure in America's infrastructure that was in need of attention/repair/replacement.  If creating jobs in the homeland is a bad idea, then I must be an idiot with crazy ideas that won't work.

How about Mr. Obama's "Global Provery Act", don't we have enough issues here...

How does he entail that we pay for this act....  Ah, do I hear, more taxes.... 

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56405

Oh just more little tid-bit....

"I am consistently on the record and Will continue to be on the records, as to opposing carring concealed weapons", goes on to say, the only citizens he would give consideration to carry concealed weapons is "retired police officers", but is totally against it for the average citizen...

Further note...  The good Senator from Illinois, Obama, not only supports, but ENDORSES the Illinois handgun ban...  Believes and states, that the local government has the right to ban guns from their citizens, in order to PROTECT it's citizens..... 

And to say, you are not concerned about losing your right to bear arms...  Hey it is already happening in some communities, and it is allowed, it will grow and grow.  I have always said, you take away the Right to Bear Arms, then only criminals will have guns....

Ever notice the places where people are not allowed to carry concealed weapons have the most heinous crimes committed with weapons (proof that if the ban guns only the criminals will have them).  Like the colledge shootings if professors and other students were able to carry, the physco may have thought twice or would have been stopped after the first couple shots. Same with bank robberies. The whole purpose of a concealed weapons permit is to show the person who is carring is not a criminal but is a responsible person trying to protect him/herself.

I hate to do this, but here ya go :(
http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=VIdbYjmbFzo

Wow, I couldn't bare to watch anymore...  And yes it is true Obama voted in favor of Partial Birth Abortion...  I am sorry regardless of your stand on abortion, Partial Birth is just horrible, breaks my heart.... :'(

http://www.peteyandpetunia.com:80/VoteHere/VoteHere.htm

Yea that's JIBJAB.com, they got some funny ones... :)

Cheropride, what part of Obama's stance did you not understand on gun laws.   :K He is going to leave it up to the individual states to decide the laws.  If your state decides to enstate a ban or new law then you could write your governor.  Even before that would happen, there would be an amendment which would we vote on at the polls.  Do you honestly think they would send out officials and go to each home a gun is registered in and round up all the firearms. 

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men and women to do nothing. 


My mama says Obama is the DEVIL!

Anoriginal, where are you?  I want you to continue your debate with this liberal.  You did a great job. 

McCain/Palin 08!!!!   

Leaving it up to the states is wrong, it is our constitutional right!  And you are so wrong if you think this is something that we would "vote" on...  Illinois, and the other states did NOT get to vote on it.  That's why it went all the way to the Supreme Court of the United States... Which brings me to point number 2, the President does appoint who goes to sit on the Supreme Court... 

Not sure which state, think it was either Illinois or DC, whereas a man shot an intruder, and the man was charged with a crime because he broke the law, because that State banned guns....  How does that make sense...  The Supreme Court THANK GOD, stood on the Admendment 2, and the charge was overturned...  See how close that was, had the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the State and punished the man for having a handgun, that would of had wide-spread effect on the Right to Bear Arms....

Besides how can our Admendment rights be fair for one state, but not another.....

 BTW, here's another :K :K for ya....

Obama - "...proposing to make it a felony for a gun owner whose firearm was STOLEN (ya know breaking into ones house) from his residence which caused harm to another person, if that weapon was not securely stored in that home".....  Hello, my home should that not equal secure...  So if some crack addict breaks into my home, steals my gun, uses to cause injury, I am the victim of a robbery is then charged with a felony....  Yea, your right, what I am thinking, that makes perfect sense to me....

Oh yea, at the same point...  He voted NO on making gang members "eligible" for the death penalty if they KILL someone to help their gang.... 

Honestly, people need wake up, read some of the Bills that on the table, and what each party/candidate stands for...  To respond to my previous post, and to say, it's okay for some States to over look my Constitutional Right is okay, wow, that just blows me away.... I guess you are right... :K :K :K

Lets look at this from another side. Which candidate would be less likely to aid in the closing of riding and off roading areas? lets see Palins husband races snowmobiles and they owned a ATV/snowmobile dealership in Alaska. Obama is for reducing Hydrocarbon emissions and eliminating all unnecessary emissions such as produced by lawnmowers (HMM ATVs may be viewed as unnecessary) he has also talked about limiting the number of noncommercial large trucks on the roads ( good luck towing a trailer full of bikes with a smart car). This is an issue that would affect everyone on this site.

Hey perhaps I could invite him for a nice ride, with my gun-toting, big truck driven, fossil fuel burning ATV... 

And hey, from the previous pics I saw, he does wear a helmet... ;)

That rag on his head is a helmet? LOL

What else could it be....LOL  Obama Helmet-head...  See it's an enviromental friendly helmet....   :D

the sad thing is most of the people on this site claim to be blue collar God fearing americans lol i didnt expect to see a single obama supporter on this site it really makes me wonder what this countries coming to  :'( 

With almost all media outlets being liberal, it is easy to see how people who do not do their own reaserch can be misled.

The thing is, Obama surely can deliver a good speech.  If you listen to his speeches, he is one heck of a speaker...  But that's what politicians do, and grant it, he is really good at that...  But when you stop, and look at his records, what he has said in the past and present, then you see the real Obama...  The truly tragic thing is, most American's don't do that.  They like how he speaks, he is surely charismatic, much more so that McCain, and that's what is winning people over.  But they dont honestly take the time to look at what he really stands for...  I so look forward to the day they start debating, and if you have noticed, Obama don't like alot of straight up debating among candidates, cause that is not his strong suit, he is a speaker....  He likes to win over crowds...  

But the facts, are the facts.  He is surely the rubber-band man, cause if any other politican had half the stuff come out about them, as Obama has, they would be done...  But nothing sticks to this guy...  People have blinders on...  They all think he is the great Messiah, you ask me, he is the freakin anti-Christ...  (I know little deep), but I honestly do NOT trust the guy...  That's just my opinion....  He surely is not in line with my relm of thinking...  And if more people stop listening to the liberal nut job media, and look at the issues, and where he truly stands, they would surely have a different opinion of him...

LMAO - Just said the same thing, well just alot longer, yea but what you just said.....

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This girl speaks the truth.... Cheropride for President.... Obama a car salesman, you can't trust none of them. Even when you think you got a good deal you still got f***ed...

I am just happy someone agreed with me...  It is kind of scary when you talk with people, and as the old saying goes, "can't see the forrest through the trees"...  And back to what this post started with, and that is Sarah Palin...  To be honest, when it was first annouced that she was the pick for VP, I was like, what the fetch...  But you know what, the more I hear her, and of her, and she stands for, she rocks!!!  I think McCain made an awesome choice in selecting her as his VP running mate...  It also says alot for McCain, he didn't go w/who and/or what everyone thought he should, he found someone that will really make a difference...  I really think she brings alot to the table...  She is the whole thing!!!

This just all keeps sounding like some sort of a battered wife. Are we so use to the abuse that we say, "sure we've been slapped around sometimes, but, he really loves me"! "At least I know what to expect from him(McCain)". "Where would I go, what would I do, if I got a new man(trust someone else)? Etc..

What mommy didn't love you enough or something...  I know you are NOT directing this post at me, cuz I surely didn't make anything personal..... 

So what you're saying is switch over to am radio and listen to those radical right wingers and believe what they say.  You do not have some underground insight on either party, nor do I.  You have your thoughts and beliefs, as do I.  I love having that right, being able to speak/display them and love this country for it.  This thread has been exhausted and has gotten old.  The upcoming debates should be good and I look forward to watching them.   :box.gif  I'm sure there are many more debate threads that will follow this one thru the next few months. 

Now I must get ready to watch some a$$ kicking in the ufc fights. Have fun out there and be safe!

Chero, I'm absolutely sorry if my remarks are offensive to you. You do not deserve it. I did not intend to aim them at you nor any specific individual. I'm just puzzled as why some are so afraid of one guy, yet not the other. Early in his campaign, McCain almost quit because he could not raise enough contributions to continue. Now, he's the Second Coming? Millions of folks are scared that he's the second coming of GW! 

No I guess your right... Let me just give up my guns now, tell the gang bangers it's okay to kill someone, cuz you don't need prison time, you know they just need some rehabiliation, oh yea, you're also I better just learn spanish or whatever language comes next, oh yea lets not forget, let's just open our borders, cuz everyone who comes into AMERICA just luvs...  Oh yea, and lets spend 852 billion dollars on Global Provery, when we got ppl living on our own streets, and losing their houses...  Yea I am sorry, what was I thinking...  Oh yea, I almost forgot, when they take away our 2nd admendment rights to bear arms, and I get arrested for shooting someone who enter into my house, you're right...  I must understand, they didn't mean it, they just need rehabilitation, and who am I am to want to defend my house!....

Ph gosh, what am I thinking...  The same ppl that cross our borders ILLEGALLY, sure I don't mind paying my social security taxes to take care of them...  Yes you are right everyone deserves to live in the land of the free....  Oh BTW, you don't mind if I burn my flag....

Yea what you said was deep, but I also say thank you for understanding... I am truly not trying to make this personal.  We ALL have our own beliefs, and that what makes us all unique...  I am not some right-wing nut-job I really am not!  Heck I am registered as an independent...  But I research, I learn, I look into the facts, and the more I look, the more I get ticked....  Forget demo or rep, if anyone tells me that I don't have the right to carry or have an handgun in my home, well then I am not going to agree w/that person....  Just like you, I live in Broward, and you know what, at any moment some nut-job can come into my home, and try to take what is most precious to me, my son, my family...  Being a woman, honestly, I feel more vulnerable to that type of attack, but you know what makes us even, I will surely shot to protect what I love....

I don't HATE Obama, I just wish he would be more open, more honest about what he has said, what he believes, and what he wants...  I look at the Bills passes by Congress, and I look at how HE voted, and I don't agree with how he voted...  How can you say it's not okay for someone to have a handgun in their home, but when a gangbanger shots and KILLs someone, we have to understand...  That goes against my core, and I will defend that...  How can you say the US Goverment should Not make ENGLISH the official language...  Come on,we are not asking that you don't speak spanish...  I could go on and on, and on..  but it makes not difference... 

I would never ask you to just listen to what people say on the radio or T.V. I say do reaserch and see for yourself how each person has voted on the issues, look at what each has accomplished, look at each persons background as well as their parents. Why look at their parents??? because most people are a reflection of their parents. Look at who each candidate hangs around with and what special intrest groups they belong to and what that groups motto and goals are. All these things paint the true picture of who someone is and what they are about ( you are who you hang out with). I vote using the absentee ballot system, the reason is if there is a person or a topic to be voted on I can research it/them before making a decision. When you are standing at the voters booth you don't have that option, the internet is a wonderful tool you just need to take the time to do your own research.

450 very well said....  Just take the time to research...  And today we have a very powerful tool, the internet...  It's one thing what a candidate says or puts into their speeches, its another thing to go back and see how they voted.  That's all...  Do NOT trust the media, regardless of where you get your media from...  Each media, they all have their own agenda, whether it be right or left, liberal or conservative, democrat or repubican...  We all have the right to believe what we believe, we all have the right to speak our minds.  But with all the wealth of information so easily available to us today, all I say, is research the facts...  Let the facts speak for themselves...  And you know what, if you believe with another candidates facts, then that is your right, and if I do, then that is my right... 

Honestly, I hate the fact that it has been drawn so down party lines...  I long for the day, I find a candidate, regardless of party affiliation, speaks from his or her heart, and uses some dang common sense...  That's what I look for.. I don't care if that candidate is democrate, repubilican, or independent... 

What's sad here is that appkkfx hasn't had a single theory or thought on his own. Everything he's brought up is a hyperlink to things done under the current administration or something that doesn't support his position. This is a tact most Obama supporter use. You know, "Look how bad Bush had been!! Therefore, you can only vote for Obama. Never mind his policy proposals are insane and unworkable."

appkkfx, you know what? I get the Wallstreet Journal delivered to my home every day it is published. So, I've read all the articles. I've researched the facts. I've considered the alternatives. More importantly, no, actually, most importantly, I understand it.

With respect to fiscal policy, Obama's plan isn't' workable. Nobody other than those who either: (a) are brainwashed by the "change" chant; (b) vote the party line no matter what; (c) expect the government to provide for them (ie.- entitlement); or (d) haven't a clue how America's economy actually works, think for a minute that Obama's economic proposals make sense.

Take for example your hyperlink to the Wallstreet Journal article you posted a while back (after, I might add, making derogatory remarks about me...again, a sign of inability and insecurity). That article was contained in the opinion section of the WSJ and written by Jason Furman and Austan Goolsbee. Obviously, when reading this article, apkkfx didn't realize that not only was the article in the OPINION section but, more importantly, it was written by Obama's economic policy director and senior economic adviser as a rebuttal to the WSJ's previous endorsement of McCain's economic plan.

Go ahead apkkfx.....go wipe the egg off your face.... we'll wait.

Now, lets deal with your NY Post hyperlink. You should read it again. Paying close attention to what it says about Obama's plan. Do you realize that it's exactly what I posted originally relative to an increase in the amount of taxation we as American's will face? Do you realize that it's a tax on business? Do you understand and comprehend that the people he seeks to tax are already paying the majority of the tax in the United States and that this proposal would only negatively impact those tax payers and the businesses they own and operate? Who do you think those burdens get passed onto?

You missed some egg.

Now then, onto your link to the Obama site. This one was great. Again, not much for free thought I see. Another great example of taxing businesses in such a manner that will CERTAINLY be passed on to the end consumer. I mean, you don't think the companies will just absorb it do you? That's not how economics work.

And I also love the whole $50,000,000,000.00 jumpstart plan. How do we pay for it? Better yet, who pays for it? Again, it's not there and this makes zero sense.

Now, look. You missed that egg in your hair. Go get it out. We will still be here.

On to the "Yemen Times" post  ??? by Dr. Stiglitz. I've read his work. Bet you haven't. He's about as far left as it gets but, he understands economics and I am proud of you for actually finding something by him. However, this link deals only with the current state of affairs and not proposed policy by the candidates. I mean, anyone can tell you it's raining...when it's raining.

Okay, the egg is gone. But you still look perplexed.

Now about that Washington Post link. Of course McCain is going to give the biggest breaks to those making the most. Why? Because they pay the most. Not just in terms of sheer dollars but, at the margin as well. (This means that the percentage of income the wealthy spend on taxes is far greater than the less wealthy). Now, if you wanted to free up money to spend it seems to me lowering taxes  would be a great way to do it. Especially if you do it so that those with the most disposable income will have more to dispose of.

Finally, I think you need to look at what the democrats have accomplished over the last 2 years. With the exception of throwing the economy further down the toilet.....nothing. For you to think that the House and Senate can't impact us that much, that fast shows that you really don't understand the way the economy works or the power these people have.

appkkfx, I appreciate your obvious rage and even enjoy your attempts at an intellectual jab every now and then (albeit failing). However, it is so painfully obvious that you haven't taken the time to research the plans on both sides or tried to understand the implications of each. This is something you really should do on your own and not based on the opinions of others. Also, the next time you post a hyperlink in an attempt to prove or bolster a point your think you're making, make sure it's not opinion and that is actually on subject. We'll all take you a bit more seriously.

Enjoy the UFC fight. Hopefully Liddell's battle turns out better for him than this did for you.   ;)

thanks, daddy-o.  :ThumbsUp.gif

very well said.  I at first was like WTF when Palin was annonced as running mate, then I did the reserch and started to like her but after hearing her speak I was like this woman sounds as if she is speaking from her heart it may have been a prepared speech but I believe many of the words spoken were her very own and from the heart. I am still reserching her and her life decisions but so far She is OK in my book.

Sorry about the delay and thank you for the compliment. I was filling 14 feeders today and changing out batteries and solar panels on them. Kept me busy since about 7 this morning. But, it was a great time and I saw 27 deer, 6 of them were really nice bucks!!!    :o  I am pooped for sure and now just relaxing, reading the news and hanging out with my son.

Yea, Lawyers are good for something besides speeding tickets. LOL JK Matt!!

He is good at researching for sure.

Hey now, I am good at speeding tickets! I've got the points on my license to prove it!   ;)

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There's a man after my own heart.....  (for the record,  happily married woman, it's just so nice to read, I'm not the only one..... ;))

Well said....   yea, yea, I know, little late, but dang, that took a while to read... Throw kids wanting to spend the night, and all that....

Nice!!  :o

Why is it so hard to understand why millions don't trust McCain's party for the unknown? Just look what's happened in the more-recent past. After Nixon(Ford) we got Carter, after that worst mistake in history came Reagan , after GHW Bush came Clinton and after Clinton(Gore) came the second worst president in history we have today.

So it's easier to trust Barack Hussein Obama ???

Millions trusted a governor from Texas when he had zero foreign policy experience and was unknown. And, they elected him even after giving his father a resounding vote of no confidence just a few short years earlier. So, yes they;re capable of trusting Obama. Only time will tell if he can do a better job than Carter and GW. If not, maybe Palin gets the nod in 4 years?

I take it you're voting for Obama...

Just curious, what are some of the reasons for supporting him?  What policies does he support, that you support?  I am not trying to debate this, just what is it?  He speaks of change, but what is he going to change...  First he said that going into Iraq was wrong, now he says the surge was a success..  He says he is going to cut taxes for the middle class, but how is going to pay for all the things he supports...  People get pist about how much we spend on the war.  He co-sponsored a Bill w/Joe Biden, for the Global Proverty Act...  Look into that and see the billion of dollars that is going to cost us. 

He says he was just a poor kid, brought up w/o much.  But I can't understand how is mom applies for welfare, while he was living in Hawaii and going to private school.  His pastor, who preaches nothing but hatred, and says we blew up the trade centers, and "the day of the white man is done".  His wife who says "she FINALLY proud to be an American", what she wasn't proud before? 

How about how he has voted in Congress....  Do you know his voting record? 

All I ask is that people look at the facts, cuz yes you are right, we can trust no one!  So you must, as a citizen, look at their track record and let that speak for it's self..  As for McCain, no he is not my first choice, but his record is more in line w/my stance. 

Ha Ha ha The worst mistake this country ever made was electing CARTER!!! What a joke... Regan my AZZ   ::) 
Your two most recent claims to fame (carter & Clinton /Gore) whooo!!!!  rolback1

Sorry, let me clarify. I consider Carter and GW to have been the worst presidents in my lifetime. My point was that people were fed up with Carter's predecessor so they took a chance on the other party during the next election. In Carter's case, it was a poor decision, but, didn't the people solve that problem with Reagan? Reagan was another person who's only experience was as Governor of the most liberal state in our nation!