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We have always promoted safe riding and from the begining we have never allowed no helmet pics. Should we change the site rules and allow pics or keep it the same? Let us know your thoughts.

I like promoting the safe riding maybe we can even put a disclaimer up thats says so??? But to censor pics  :dunno.gif...excuse my ignorance I didn't know (joined in 04') that was the case? Then again its not my website  ;) so I would naturally comply with either decision.  ;D

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If people want to ride without helmets, that is their choice. I don't think this site should condone it. It makes us look irresponsible, careless and just plain STUPID!

I think there are times that you should wear your helmet, but when you are just putting in the mud or going from camp to camp slowly then I don't think it required. I assure you that people can go on the internet and find plenty of websites that they can find pics of people riding without helmets to talk about ATV riders. How many motorcycle riders do you see out in the open road every day riding without helmets. I know they are supposed to have insurance if they ride without a helmet but you actually do not need insurance to tag a motorcycle for highway use. You only supposed to have it if you ride without a helmet. And then its only illegal if you get pulled over so how many people actually do still have it. I guess these people are not gonna get to the hospital unless they can provide proof of insurance first. Wrong, they will get there by our tax dollars.

Allot of our riding is low speed (right mike :o) 18 miles in 7 hours...LOL.

We ride Rhinos & don't wear brain buckets,usually through swamp and wet trails.My choice my consequences.But I cant share any pics since it did violate policy 8) Not me below but a typical ride.


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No pics without helmets. Why fuel the fire?

I agree but it has to be across the board for the entire site.It should apply to all events & venues if this is the decision of management.

Keep the rule. eventually those without helmets will kill themselves, and wont be able to vote.

This should not even be discussed. Why was the rule made in the first place?

Unless you are racing, you don't need a helmet on a ute or rhino, enough said.  I don't know a single person who wears a helmet on a ute or rhino that is riding a mudhole. 

What gets me is the people who tell you they can get drunk ,hop on an atv with no gear get hurt and then want to sue somebody!   

I agree with the no helmet thing when riding a ute slow down the trail however if it is going to stay the same then there will be no pics without helmets regardless of what type of riding. It has to be the same across the board.

Let the riders decide.

I agree...but I don't think your gonna make 1/2 the riders happy which ever way a vote would go.....as I said earlier I've been a member since 04' and didn't know the "no helmet pics allowed" rule but since its already in place i say keep it...it makes it that much easier??? That being said good luck to the moderator that gets hung with the pic censorship job  :( that will be some time consuming fun  ::)

Still don't see why we can't put a big disclaimer up on everypage thats says Florida ATV promotes responsible riding
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Now I understand the rule was implemented to portray a good image of the sport, but really, the people see it all. What difference does it make if I don't wear a helmet? I post pictures of having a GOOD TIME, isn't that what the sport is about? Maybe we can seperate the pictures from "racing" to "events".  And on the events page have a HUGE disclaimer that ATVFLA takes no part in these actions, nor condones them.

Just my .02c

Good points everybody. Remember, the question is not if you should wear a helmet when you ride, but if we should allow and censor pictures of riders without helmets. It is not a law that you need to wear one, although most riding parks and tracks require them. There is no helmet law to wear a helmet while riding a motorcycle in Florida either.

Sometimes I feel we are missing out on some pretty interesting photos that could be posted on here. I know that I myself wear a helmet when I ride, but if someone else doesn't want to, I think it's their business.

The big disclaimer isn't a bad idea either. And yes, moderating these photos is very burdensome.

16 and under have to wear a helmet by law. Not an easy job for moderator however it comes out.

That's right. I forgot about that.

not to change the subject... I never understood why we have to wear a seat belt but not a helmet, go figure.

I voted to keep the rule but we should have a new section for those that strictly ride without gear and drink while riding so we can seperate them from the ones who dont drink and ride!        I personally never drink and ride and always wear my safety gear!    for those of you  who want to do the opposite let us know so we can stay away from a potential  accident waiting to happen.       dont get me wrong I got nothing against drinking, I just dont think it should be done while ridin cause with all those bumps you might spill your beer        just kiding, ridin is ridin and drinkin should be done at hooters

My vote is no change.  We have the opportunity here to reinforce a positive image and show that we as atvers can be responsible.

Boy has this thread stayed on target  ;D

huh?  how so?

well my coment was a little off.

   I don't see why pics shouldn't be able to be posted without helmets. I always wear one, but not everyone wants to. The choice is their's.
   Pics are just pics, they don't mean everyone does it. If someone gets hurt without a helmet, I just think to myself,"I'm glad I wear one."
   I agree certain conditions require helmets, but pics without don't mean anything.
   The disclaimer's are on the quads aren't they? Doesn't the new rule mandate 16 and under are required to wear them? Then there you go!!

It doesn't matter if it just means the guy in the picture is doing. All that matters is that he is on an atv while he is. I can understand someone not wearing one in camp just getting from camp to camp, but even then some drunken idiot can ruin that calm transition in a second. Those who hate our sport don't talk to us, if they cant get our message, they rely on our image.

   You can have images of riders wearing armor, someone will still find something to complain about. I say," There our images, if you don't like them, don't look at them.

Ofcourse they will find something to complain about, but that doesn't mean we should give them the oppurtunity to complain about helmets.

   We can go on and on about it. It's up to the site owner. If he allows it, then kewl. If he doesn't want it...don't complain about it. I will never post one without a helmet unless I'm just sitting there.

I say change it. I think it limits the people that want to share pics from mudding events that don't feel the need to wear helmets. There are hundreds of ATV sites out there and very few go to the extent to block pictures of riders without helmets. I understand why the rule was put in place and I understand the site is about promoting safe riding but allowing the pictures is not going to change the way anyone feels about ATV riders. Fact is when you look at it alot of the people opposing this are sport riders and in that type of riding I can see wearing a helmet all the time as it's a much faster pace and more dangerous.

Bill

Why not photoshop all the pics so they have no heads.... ;)

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Here is a prime example of a tragedy of a no helmet very slow speed accident. Was right next to the truck not even 20 feet away.

Jennifer Chapman.

Need I say more?

I say that if you are going slow no helmet.
If you have a seatbelt on no helmet at all.
If your balls to the wall HELMET!!!

But also think... Motorcyclists don't wear helmets... I personally don't hear much junk about them riding without helmets.

Yes that is a tragedy. However that instance nor the posting of pictures of riders without helmets is going to change most peoples minds including mine. Blocking the pictures simply limits the sharing of good times we all have, some with helmets and some without.

To ride with or without a helmet? Totally up to the rider even though it is recommended.
To change the rule here to appease the folks who choose to ride irresponsibly, is as bad as two languages in Floriduh.
There is another site that is for atvs and they allow anything, so post your no helmet fun pics over there I guess.
I voted, keep the rule.

The law also says, anyone under 16 is to ride nothing larger then a 90cc. LOL

Lol yeah thats too extreme. A 16year old can even fit on a 90cc.

That is not true

Here is the statue

261.20  Operations of off-highway vehicles on public lands; restrictions; safety courses; required equipment; prohibited acts; penalties.--

(1)  This section applies only to the operation of off-highway vehicles on public lands.

(2)  Any person operating an off-highway vehicle as permitted in this section who has not attained 16 years of age must be supervised by an adult while operating the off-highway vehicle.

(3)  Effective July 1, 2008, while operating an off-highway vehicle, a person who has not attained 16 years of age must have in his or her possession a certificate evidencing the satisfactory completion of an approved off-highway vehicle safety course in this state or another jurisdiction. A nonresident who has not attained 16 years of age and who is in this state temporarily for a period not to exceed 30 days is exempt from this subsection. Nothing contained in this chapter shall prohibit an agency from requiring additional safety-education courses for all operators.

(4)(a)  The department shall approve all off-highway vehicle public safety-education programs required by this chapter as a condition for operating on public lands.

(b)  An off-highway vehicle must be equipped with a spark arrester that is approved by the United States Department of Agriculture Forest Service, a braking system, and a muffler, all in operating condition.

(c)  On and after July 1, 2008, off-highway vehicles, when operating pursuant to this chapter, shall be equipped with a silencer or other device which limits sound emissions. Exhaust noise must not exceed 96 decibels in the A-weighting scale for vehicles manufactured after January 1, 1986, or 99 decibels in the A-weighting scale for vehicles manufactured before January 1, 1986, when measured from a distance of 20 inches using test procedures established by the Society of Automotive Engineers under Standard J-1287. Off-highway vehicle manufacturers or their agents prior to the sale to the general public in this state of any new off-highway vehicle model manufactured after January 1, 2008, shall provide to the department revolutions-per-minute data needed to conduct the J-1287 test, where applicable.

(d)  An off-highway vehicle that is operated between sunset and sunrise, or when visibility is reduced because of rain, smoke, or smog, must display a lighted headlamp and taillamp unless the use of such lights is prohibited by other laws, such as a prohibition on the use of lights when hunting at night.

(e)  An off-highway vehicle that is used in certain organized and sanctioned competitive events being held on a closed course may be exempted by departmental rule from any equipment requirement in this subsection.

(5)  It is a violation of this section:

(a)  To carry a passenger on an off-highway vehicle, unless the machine is specifically designed by the manufacturer to carry an operator and a single passenger.

(b)  To operate an off-highway vehicle while under the influence of alcohol, a controlled substance, or any prescription or over-the-counter drug that impairs vision or motor condition.

(c)  For a person who has not attained 16 years of age, to operate an off-highway vehicle without wearing eye protection, over-the-ankle boots, and a safety helmet that is approved by the United States Department of Transportation or Snell Memorial Foundation.

(d)  To operate an off-highway vehicle in a careless or reckless manner that endangers or causes injury or damage to another person or property.

(6)  Any person who violates this section commits a noncriminal infraction and is subject to a fine of not less than $100 and may have his or her privilege to operate an ATV on public lands revoked. However, a person who commits such acts with intent to defraud, or who commits a second or subsequent violation, is subject to a fine of not less than $500 and may have his or her privilege to operate an ATV on public lands revoked.

(7)  Public land managing agencies, through the course of their management activities, are exempt from the provisions of paragraph (5)(a).

History.--s. 4, ch. 2006-290.

It's not a law it's a guide line/recommendation.

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Helmet law section Section 3..Also how many were aware of section 4



316.2074  All-terrain vehicles.--

(1)  It is the intent of the Legislature through the adoption of this section to provide safety protection for minors while operating an all-terrain vehicle in this state.

(2)  As used in this section, the term "all-terrain vehicle" means any motorized off-highway vehicle 50 inches or less in width, having a dry weight of 900 pounds or less, designed to travel on three or more low-pressure tires, having a seat designed to be straddled by the operator and handlebars for steering control, and intended for use by a single operator with no passenger. For the purposes of this section, "all-terrain vehicle" also includes any "two-rider ATV" as defined in s. 317.0003.

(3)  No person under 16 years of age shall operate, ride, or be otherwise propelled on an all-terrain vehicle unless the person wears a safety helmet meeting United States Department of Transportation standards and eye protection.

(4)  If a crash results in the death of any person or in the injury of any person which results in treatment of the person by a physician, the operator of each all-terrain vehicle involved in the crash shall give notice of the crash pursuant to s. 316.066.

(5)  Except as provided in this section, an all-terrain vehicle may not be operated upon the public roads, streets, or highways of this state, except as otherwise permitted by the managing state or federal agency.

(6)  An all-terrain vehicle having four wheels may be used by police officers on public beaches designated as public roadways for the purpose of enforcing the traffic laws of the state. All-terrain vehicles may also be used by the police to travel on public roadways within 5 miles of beach access only when getting to and from the beach.

(7)  An all-terrain vehicle having four wheels may be used by law enforcement officers on public roads within public lands while in the course and scope of their duties.

(8)  A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a nonmoving violation as provided in chapter 318.

History.--ss. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, ch. 88-221; s. 5, ch. 95-333; s. 30, ch. 96-350; s. 3, ch. 96-413; s. 162, ch. 99-248; s. 54, ch. 2002-295; s. 37, ch. 2005-164.
 
 
 
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We all may not wear them. But not showing pictures mean we do not condone it. 

To the guy who said "Motorcyclists don't wear helmets"

All of my friends who ride bikes always have the basics, riding jacket, thick jeans made for riding, gloves, helmet, and most of all.. riding shoes. They love to see a squid ride by with a new A&F shirt with shorts and sandles. People like them are reasons their insurance rates go up.


I vote for it to stay.

"dress to crash and hope you don't."

i think its good to show people they should ride with helmets by not allowing pictures of no helmet riders.  some people might see it and say well if they ride without a helmet maybe i should too.  people dont use common sense all the time.  I actually dont like riding without a helmet.  I feel as if something is missing and it is.  The helmets have saved my life before so i choose to wear one.  Even if i am just going to ride down an empty straight road through the gears i wear it because theres always that chance.  i've read about quite a few deaths on motorized vehicles because they werent wearing helmets

Just a side discussion:::  ;)

Would one of these be legal at Croom?

As long as it has a chin strap.

Bones -

Here's something to consider. As the owner of this site, you're held to a very high standard. Your site is a watermark of sorts for the ATV community in Florida. Regardless of anyone's personal opinion on the helmet issue (mine and yours included), I think you have a duty to portray the ATV community in a light most favorable to anyone viewing the same. This includes allowing only pictures that show riders with helmets.

The last thing I am sure you'd want to do is to provide fodder for the extremists that would shut us down. These people will use anything they can against us. Not only does it not make sense to give them what they want but, to do so would seem irresponsible.

Just an observation.

~ Matt   ;)

Honestly, I don't see whereas, this site allowing the posting of pics with or w/out helmets is going to pursuade anyone to ride with one or without one...  I will say this though, you will not find a whole heck of alot of muddin pics w/helmets.... For me helmets are not a matter of preference, is matter of what style of ride you do.  If I was hauling butt on a Quad, or say a dirt bike, then yea I would surely wear a helment.  If I am trail riding, doing a little mudding, or seeing how deep I can go on my 4-wheeler, than no I am not wearing a helmet...

Well I guess we shouldn't be watchin any of Gretchen Wilson's Redneck Woman Video's either, and does that also mean we can't post any of her pics.... (man I wish I was her..... 8))

I couldn't agree more. That is exactly why helmetless pics have not been allowed since the begining.

Please understand that we are not doing this in hopes that more people will wear helmets. It exactly as Anoriginal said, It's to try and keep the tree huggers from using it against us as riders to get more of our land shut down.

put the damn helmet on, it doesnt hurt you and your gonna sweat in FL with or without a helmet on.

I think that utility riders that post pics should not only be wearing a helmet but should also have on a life jacket and be a current member of Boat US.

I prefer seatow. They have pretty yellow boats. ;D

As for the argument about tree huggers, and the image of people who ride 4-wheelers and dirt bikes....

*Never heard a hunter get pist because a 4 wheeler came flying by and scared off his deer, And the hunter says "I am so dang pist, they weren't wearing a helmet".
*Someone comes flying by a group of riders, and the group get's mad cuz he/she wasn't wearing a helmet.
*Someone throughs their empty containers all over the place, and people could care less if they were wearing a helmet or not.
*Some nit-wit decides to dougnuts all over the trails, again, people could care less if they were wearing a helmet or not.
*Some nit-wit decides to come hauling butt down a narrow trail, or a trail that curves, and doesn't even slow down as they approach an rider or group in the other direction, hey, but he was wearing a helmet..
*Some one decides to go hauling but down a the street, but hey he's wearing a helmet, so it's okay...

My point is this.  This hobby/sport, got it's bad name from the bad apples that don't respect the land, or the other riders.  When they think they have the right to destroy and tear up the places where they ride.  Most accidents on ATVS and such is caused by carelessness, and speed.  If you are riding down a trail at 5 -10 MPH, you are not going to get it hurt, until that nit-wit comes flying around the corner and hits you...  And like it or not, when I see ppl on the trails hauling butt, and acting a nit-wit, come to think of it, they are wearing helmets...  The option of wearing or not wearing a helmet is not what is giving this sport a bad name, it bad people.....

I'm sorry, I thought all the public lands are basically already shut down. May as well be anyways with all the trails that have been cut out of them and the rules they have applied. Wanting to give out ticlets for every little thing you do and harrass you for being out there in them. Thats exactly one reason I am gonna sell all mine.

Chero, I agree. Except, it's good people doing the bad things.

i think  change is   good.  No need to hide around the corner  and smoke that cigarette you old enough to make your own  disicion  mommy cant control your whole life

Maybe you should have been at Rodman damn about two years ago now.
 A man about mid 30`s showed up by himself with a UTE and NO helmet. He was riding around a track on the north side of the road and hit a tree. Damn near killed him !!!!
 Now enough said........

Change it, you're missing out on a lot of great photos. Not that many tree huggers are looking at this site to see if people are wearing helmets or not. Theres enough bad press already out there for their ammo if they want it.

I dont think its so much about tree huggers as it is setting a good example. I can hardly make my kids wear their gear and dad not wear his.

Good god who started this mess!!!!!!!!!!!  If you see a 4 wheeler riding in the water with water over the fenders you know he is going slow and it looks safe I think even to a so called (Tree Hugger) would agree on that but on the other hand another photo you see a sport bike going over a 6 ft jump doing a back flip now that is for sure not safe or you see a photo of a bike going down a stright away doing warp speed with dirt flying up and a dust trail then thats not safe I agree on that and yes they should have a helmet on for sure in the photo but for water riding or slow mudding I think the photo can be posted P.S. I still today ride the street with a helmet and when I get on my 350X Honda I put one on because I tend to let it eat but for trail riding on my Ranger at slow speed I dont. Mr.Bones like you and others said all of us will miss out on some good photos if we keep it the same my two cents for what it worth.

If it's legal to ride without a helmet then why can't we post pics of riding with no helmet? I think the rule is rediculas, pictures are pictures, it's your choice to wear a helmet or not. The main concern would be children, and if your stupid enough to let a little kid ride without a helmet, you deserve what you get.

Maybe I should have.  I could have helped save his life. 

First of all, he was by himself...no-no

Riding a track on a ute...another no-no

But I'll tell you I haven't witnessed a single UTV/ATV accident where someone was severely injured, they have happened around me, but no one got hurt.

36 - 36 my my I couldn't have called that any better  ::)


Bones-

  Here's something for you to ponder: give them a finger they'll take a hand...give then a hand and they'll take your arm.....there are 100's if not 1000's of ATV web sites and there are 100's if not 1000's of picture sharing websites that any EXTREMIST could go to and get fodder for putting ATV'ing in a bad light..please don't make this decision based solely on how a small faction of EXTREMISTS would view our sport!!! This situation is no different than the one man gang in California trying to get the In God We trust off of the Dollar Bill!! Just because his "one" voice is louder than any other???
  True you as the owner of this site have the power to not allow any pictures you so wish...and I will gladly follow the rule...but you have members here that ride with helmets and some without....True you can't make everyone happy, but with the current vote on this issue resting at 50 % - 50 % it would seem to me that all pics should be allowed.
       Again I hate to sound like a broken record and I know this site is not a democracy, not a government but a private forum owned by You.....and it is naturally your right to pick the direction it goes...I still think that a disclaimer of some sort say attached to ALL pictures that says (insert here your disclaimer) would do the trick???
     PS....I've seen pictures with ATV's having coolers attached to them (I'm sure NO BEER / ALCOHOL) is in them  ;) I've seen pictures with kids Two up on machines as large as 660 CC??? I've seen pictures with parents two upping with more than 1 kid on the back???? To me all these situations are just as bad???  How far will we have to take this???
   Bottom line to me is this site was for ATV'ers of all kinds here in Florida and all riding styles...let it be so...
Thanks for the Ear...
Todd

As an ATV Safety Instructor and a member of the State of Florida OHV Recreation Committee, I am in favor of leaving the rule the same.  This site is a premier site in Florida for people to get an opinion of ATV riders.  It is extremely important that we give the imression that we promote SAFETY FIRST.

Jrpro, We offered to him a helmet as he went across the road. He didnt want one. There were close to 30 of us there for a group ride.
 If Cableguy hadnt noticed him off to the side of the sandy area a few hours after him arriving he could have died. Everything that could have been done was.... He lived.
 
 But, I was only saying that was kinda obsurd to say "you only need a helmet if racing". You NEVER know when your going to need the protection of one, Thats why they are called accidents.

 I also believe that it should be the choice of a mature adult as to whether or not one be worn. But dont get in an accident and ask for someone else to cover your medical bills ( state, medicare etc).

I have to agree with Anoriginal here. Everyone has a choice on if they wear a helmet or not. Just don't post the pic.

mam grizz    seems like we as not wearing helmats getting discriinated  agianst.   dont get mad our pictures look  better

What did he say? ;)

Translation to English.

Mama Gizz it seems like us none helmet wearing people are being discriminated against. Don't get mad because our pictures look better.

Hey, has anyone heard from American Highlander lately? Seriously. I like that guy and always enjoyed his enthusiasm.

Hooked on phonics worked for me.

Enough of the bull$hit, can we post helmetless pics or not. What is your final answer Bones?

Its allowed here so I guess the answer is yes ;D

http://www.atvflorida.com/forum/index.php/topic,35383.0.html

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You know, I am with you on this. What's the final verdict?

yes you can  post them lol

This post and poll have only been active two days. I'm not going to make this decision so quickly. I want to give others a chance to vote and post remarks. Thank you.

How about tactful pictures without helmets is okay, but pictures that give the sport a bad image,(holding beer cans, unsafe stunts, ugly women, ugly men, Da MTG Man, ect) should not be shown.  Pictures that show what the sport is about...having  safe fun.

This shouldn't even be a question.  No helmet=no pics.  ;D

I agree with those three.

Heyyyyyyy! Thats not very nice. ;D

But treu :o  No pics of you without a full face ???

Does it seem that some rules or laws of society just help stupid people?  In a way, are we not dumbing up our own gene pool by helping the dumb people live?  I think we pass laws to tell someone not to do something instead of educating them of why we shouldn't.  Then let nature take its course.  I don't mean to sound insensitive but the real world hurts.

Will one of the most popular florida atv websites condone wrecklessness and irresponsibleness?


Also before a final verdict, make sure to check the Ip addresses from the voters. Some radical could easily create multiple accounts to boost either sides number.


In all honesty, I have a problem with KIDS not wearing a helmet. I can see where the older guys would be annoyed with helmets.


I wouldn't mind the rule altered to allow a select group....but not changed for everyone to post helmetless.

Good thinking but Bones is one step ahead of you. He already knows who used several of their accounts to boost the votes.

You should delete all their accounts, new and old.  ;D

DanG >:( I voted like 15 times to keep it like it was  :dunno.gif

The only time I wear a helmet is when I climb into the cockpit of the aircraft I am flying or if I enter a race on the Rhino with seatbelt and shoulder harness secured.

I am gonna say this and be done, I beleive the good lord will decide when your time is up, and at that time it doesn't matter if you have full armor body suit and armored helmet on. Opinions are like a$$holes everyone has one and has the option to agree or disagree. If you like helmets wear it, if not ride on.

I'm all for the ban on helmetless pics. The helmet wearing pics will surely impress the site visitors/critics who view the ignorant hate and fear expressed in some of our political threads. Our creed; "If you're going to spread hate and fear, wear a helmet!"

OK so you're saying you can jump out of your airplane with no parachute and live if the good Lord doesn't have you scheduled for that day.

I don't think so Tim.

What we do and how we do it has a lot to do when our time is up.

Negative ghostrider, that is your opinion. Not that it means anything, but am a rotorcraft/helicopter pilot not fixed wing. All I am saying is that I believe is when it is your time it is your time no matter what the circumstances.

How dare you!!!!! Clearly you have never seen Mike in a pair of assless chaps before!!!!!

he quite correct on this one  ;)

http://discovermagazine.com/2008/the-body/05-how-to-fall-out-of-a-plane-and-live (http://discovermagazine.com/2008/the-body/05-how-to-fall-out-of-a-plane-and-live)

Falling Out of a Plane
In 1942 a Soviet pilot named I. M. Chisov plunged 22,000 feet without a parachute after bailing out of his Ilyushin 4 bomber. German pilots had attacked Chisov’s plane, and he didn’t open his chute because he was afraid it would allow his attackers to find him. He landed on a snow-covered slope and rolled downhill, badly hurt and unconscious—but alive.

According to aero­dynamics experts, a skydiver without a chute reaches a terminal velocity of about 120 miles per hour after dropping roughly 500 feet. That actually isn’t any faster than the speed you’d reach if you fell from a moderately tall building. “But it’s not falling that kills you; it’s the landing,” Richard says: The abrupt pressure of an impact is likely to break open blood vessels such as your aorta, damage internal organs, and shatter your bones.

The worst thing to hit is a hard surface that brings you to a halt almost instantly. If you land on snow (like Chisov) or hit something that gives way, such as a skylight (as happened to U.S. Air Force Sergeant Alan Magee, who survived a 20,000-foot drop into a French train station in 1943), you will suffer less damage. In such a situation, it is the ability of the bones of your skull and spine to withstand the impact that can potentially preserve your life, according to a report conducted by the Federal Aviation Administration.


1 in a million..............SOOO your saying ive got a shot

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Miracles do happen and I don't believe it was this fellars time ;)

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Would this be classifed as a pick without a helmet  :o

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That would be a great example sir.

ooops!!!! I think I'm wearing my helmet now!!!  :o

And you have?  ???

It seems like this site caters more to "racers" especially since everyone wants to only show pictures of helmets.  In an indirect way, I feel that it is discriminatory.  It is natural for sport quad riders/racers to wear helmets, it's the opposite for mudders.  Why can't we have two picture sections?



I vote for a seperate picture section. With a disclaimer saying that ATVfla takes no part in these actions, nor condones them.  It is the sport...the activists/extremists are going to see it when we are out riding.  If they are smart they will make their way out to our riding spots and see weather we wear helmets or not...so whats the big deal?  And to go even further, we already have lost all our riding spots besides big cypress and croom.  As far as I'm concerned, the laws that are there are enforced heavily, so whats the problem?

I don't think posting ONLY pictures with helmets on is a very good image of the atv scene here in florida.  

I mean if you want to portray florida as a sport atv racing site, sure, lets only post pictures of helmets, but the reality is that there are several different types of riding/racing.  Like others said, i guess this site is viewed as how atv's are ridden in florida.  If it's helmets only, thats a terrible portrayal.  Most the spots down by me are ridden by utility quads, no 2wd sport quads are even able to ride...and even if they are, they are mostly the guys NOT on this site.  

I think we need to take another vote, but Contributing Members only. 

excellent Idea!!  ;D then what ever you guys (contributing members) decide...that's what you can post in "YOUR SPECIAL" section  ;)

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Which one? And yes we do that any way!

relax BIG DADDY just pokin some fun  ;)

Well let me know, I'll become a contributing member if we CAN post these pictures, if not, I won't contribute.

Loser........ It goes to help the site, not YOUR personal gain.

 
I,m cool ...... just having fun too!   ;)

hey, i have met mike and he's not that bad looking. my wife thinks he's cute.

Your wife needs glass..... ???

she has an eye appointment next week. wait until she see's me!! ;)

That reminds me, When are you going out of town again? ;D

Yea...I'm a loser alright.  Contributing for a site I can't post pictures on is like paying for someone elses burger...sure you can look and drool, but you can't eat it.  I'm not paying for something I can't use. 

Edit: and I'm a contributor on the other forums I'm on...I can post pictures on those and not catch flack for it.

So you're not a contributing member be cause you can't post pics without a helmet? WOW!!!!!!

That's what make all the forums different. Not that I have anymore pull then anyone else on here but, someone needs to set a good example. This site has always set a good example and I think it should stay that way. It's like not saying the pledge of allegence before school because some people don't want too. That's the way it's been for years and that's the way it should stay. I don't care what the law is, IMO no helmet pics are not good for anyone.

No, I am not currently a contributing member.  It didn't even cross my mind until someone mentioned a re-vote with only contributing members, and the possibility of a seperate picture subforum for contributing members only.  I will contribute if thats what it takes to post and see pictures without helmets.  I think it's rediculous that someone will actually monitor the pictures.  I was a member back in the day when it was enforced very well, and I can't immagine someone actually going through EVERY thread and searching for pictures with/without helmets.  I remember we would try and see how long until someone caught the pictures...lol.

Hey like I said before, this is the only site I don't contribute to, to be honest all this site has been for me is arguing.  I like some of the guys on here, so I stick around, but everything I see is some form of an argument.  I have never felt the need to contribute to a site full of arguments.  Now if I can't even post pictures for others to see...theres no way I'm contributing.


So in a nutshell, I'm not contributing if I can't post pictures.  I can't say that my pictures contribute to helping the ATV community, and I understand that is THE problem, but I think that most people like to see pictures of enjoying the riding spots and having a good time.  Maybe you see it differently, but I don't see a problem posting pictures of a bunch of bikes in a mudhole.  Heck even Paul S has pictures up w/o helmets...now come on.  Every picture without a helmet has to be deleted?

And the funny thing is that it wasn't a problem up until someone started the other thread.  I never heard a word other than positive comments.  Never got a PM from a moderator, or anyone else, stating I couldn't post pictures...no warnings, nothing. 

I think they shouldn't delete your helmetless pictures , but delete you account!  ;)

Go for it! Make sure to delete the others as well...as everyone says, "all decisions are across the board" haha

We shouldn't have to warn you. It's one of the first paragraphs that you read in the section that you clicked "agree" when you signed up.
I agree with you on the arguing thing, This site has changed drastically in the last couple of years. It used to be all about riding and informative information but a select few just like starting arguments

I completely agree with you.  It was quite a while ago that I signed up...so the rules are fuzzy.  I used to love it over here, but the arguing gets under my skin.  I mean I feel strongly about a lot of things, but I try not to just pick fights for the heck of it.

If there's one thing that we all can probably agree on, is that the no helmet/no pic rule has turned off too many people.
The main reason few riding pics are posted ,is because most ride without one , my self included.

I been ridin  ATC's since the late 70's, have never worn a helmet and most likely never will.
Not saying its the right thing to do , its just my choice.

If we want to see more pictures posted, the rule would have to be changed.
Regardless this a good site.

That seems like a very ignorant statement. I always ride with a helmet, regardless of whether Im riding a pocket bike, a quad, or even a bmx bike (if Im doing jumps and flips and stuff). Im sure most of the people who care about this sport care enough about it to wear a helmet and set a good example for others including children. Pictures of people riding without helmets should be banned 100%, and anyone who wishes to argue that with me please let me know.

this might sound cheesy& im just a kid...
but I once read from a great rider I know's signature "Dress for the crash, not for the ride"
aka frank. =]
and it always plays in my head I dont know why. you never know when your going to crash.
its' like that commercial..

hit a berm; jump a table top; do a wheelie; crash.
no one plans on crashing.. it just happens;
and with kids' on this site see older people looking like theyre cool with no helmet..
they think they can do the same and never get hurt.
i think we should ban pics' with no helmets' unless theyre purposly posing for the pic like i always do ;)


its past my bed time.
but yes; I always wear a helmet!


-kelli

I'll argue that.  We ride mud.  You won't see anyone at the mudhole or trails wearing a helmet riding a ute.

I never wear a helmet on my ute, I used to ALWAYS wear one on my sport, dirtbike, and streetbike. 

I do care enough, anyone 16&under needs to wear a helmet...no questions asked.  It's my choice to wear a helmet, and I don't.  I don't remember the last time I went over 20 on the grizz.  So call me stupid, ignorant, etc...but you won't see any of us "mudders" wearing helmets.

I didnt say that all ride without helmets , but most or I should've said many because there is no hard data to confirm exactly how many do or dont.
You ride with one and thats great , regarding the ratio of those with vs without ... look at any of the mud events like Mudfest ,L-Cross  etc. You will see most dont ride with helmets. The former WMA / Mudpit Holey Land was another area where I've seen many ride w/o .
There's no arguement regarding which way is safer .

I also support the idea of a disclaimer with regards to pics w/o helmets.

Hey,  ride how ever you want because its your choice.


Da_Mtg_Man ,
Good choice of topics to get the site hopin'.
Not even politics gets this level of attention.
This topic's always been a hot one .LOL

Yea no doubt wearing a helmet is the only safe option.  Just the fact that holey lands, 5a, l-cross, c&r, mudfest, plant bamboo, etc...you'll seldom see a helmet.  Theres no arguing what is safer though.

I vote for two sections also.  One section that is labeled "ACTIONS IN THESE PHOTOS NOT CONDONED BY THIS SITE"

And yes, become a contributing member and you should get a say in the matter!

EXCELLENT IDEA.

I became a contributing member because it supports the site, I like the site, I benefit from the site (met some great people from using this site, INCLUDING YOU RICKY), I want the site to grow and be around for awhile.  I even contributed at a time that was not the easiest for me financially, as I had just started a new job.

I do not ride with a helmet unless it is required by the area I am riding, or I feel that it is an unsafe riding environment (maybe an area that I have never ridden, or I physically see wreckless riding). 

There are several types of rides and riders in this sport, as we all know.   

The general riding that we do on our UTE is a little safer, slower, somewhat calculated as we have time at 10-20 mph to decide if I am going around that stump to the left or right, am I gonna take the deep soft mud or the shallow harder packed stuff, somewhat than a super fast, super quad.  I know there are excellent riders on those machines, but I have seen some real winners, jump off their super quad and let their obviously very limited experienced friend jump at the control and race off in amazement of the speed and power the amchine has.

Will I need my helmet someday on my ute in a rollover or a collision with a tree or another machine, I HOPE NEVER! 

Will this site and it's picture posting rule change my mind on wearing it, NO.  The site will lose out on the post, as I will post it somewhere else.  I think it has shaped this site a little bit towards  the fast quad crowd (even thouh I know there are a lot of mudders here, how many of us cruise the picture section?)

I VOTE NO HELMET PICTURES ALLOWED.

KIDS ALWAYS WEAR THE HELMETS.  You need to protect those heads while you still KNOW EVERYTHING!  ;D

What wood William Wallace say???

                                               

Yea good luck getting these folks to squeeze a couple bucks out of there pocket to support the site.

I started a thread Throw BONES a BUCK or something like that to get all the member to contribute $1 what a joke.It wasnt asking for much.

Pro-Helmet folks. Yes it is %100 safer but I guarantee (HYPOCRACY) EVERY one of you at one point in time have ridden a test run,to the mailbox,out or off of your trailer,across an area to get to a start line,moved closer to your vehicle for lunch or whatever.............................etc....................WITHOUT A HEMET securely strapped to you noggin.

My Guess would be FREEDOM!!! to or not to wear a helmet...it is time we crawl from under this tyrannical helmet wearing government  ;D

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Thank you........ I only give people a hard time went they THINK their better than someone else, other than that I try to help as many people that I can on this site. 

I all so vote NO Helmet pictures allowed in open forum

WHY DONT WE LIMIT THE VOTE TO THE 30% OF THE PEPLE ON THIS SITE THAT ACTUALLY OWN AN ATV OR UTV? :o


Also I don't think pictures of minors with weapons need to be allowed. It sends a bad message to people that log on here. They see kids holding weapons than they think were going to shoot someone next time they see an ATV.Leave those pics on u-tube not an ATV site.

And while were at it howabout political debates?Unless it is over riding areas or the sport it shouldn't be on here ;)

Precisely ;)
and Bushwacker are you sure your not Bushwackadoo ::)

i wear a helmet when i ride in the mud
that's like the most dangerous riding.. =]

Any verdict?  8)

We haven't gotten anything one way or the other yet. This decision is up to the big man himself. MrBones

How about this, as long as the person on the quad who isnt wearing a helmet is not moving, or not going in speeds in excess of 5 mph, then the picture is allowed. If the pictures show alcohol, dangerous stunts without protection, and children riding without any protection, the pictures should be removed or banned.

Good idea but it will be a full time job for these over tasked mods to try & keep ahead of. Its a shame since I'm sure allot of cool pics don't get posted up.

We ride Rhinos mostly & with a roll cage & seatbelt I wont wear a helmet.Where would those fit in? Our group has some very cool spots with lots of deep water,swamp,cypress trails wildlife  etc... Other than children none of adults wear them.Hard choice for the Heffe~ (Senior Bones) to make.

Yea that would be some serious moderation!

Not to mention, who determines weather it is 5mph or not?  :-*

Is is OK to show pics with my Helmet on, but wearing my Crocs when riding in the mud? I really like my Crocs, please don't take them away from me. :'( 

You dont wear those pink or orange ones do you :(

No I have black ones "size 13" but I bought some real cool jibits when I went to fag fest in Key West. 

no but i do

It is almost impossible to judge speed in a photograph.

Have we made a decision yet Bones?

The people are getting anxious.

Either way this goes, people will get pissed off.

No doubt, but no matter what you do you can't make everyone happy.

 We have enough people telling us what we can an cannot do. It should be your own decision whether or not you wear a helmet. Display all pictures to make everyone happy.

Its all so YOUR decision to stay on this site and follow the rules. Mr Bones own it, its his call! 

It would be nice if they made it a LAW....
It seems places that require helmets stay open longer then those that dont...

yea also u paying alot more cash to get in     

beats paying tickets for riding illegally.

ok, the rule is you have to wear a hockey helmet when you type in the where to ride section. :o

You could go either way...I don't ride illigally, too much to loose.

If you go to any "event" it's usually 20 a day or 30 for the weekend.  I don't know what ONF or croom is...



If they made it a law, it would change a lot, but not really effect me, I ride all private places.  It's WAY safer...no doubt.

You know what is funny, that I just realized, this picture that I use to have under my name....

I did not have a helmet...  Do you know how long that has been on this site....  That's just funny right there, never even noticed or thought of that until just now...

They funny thing is now, watch it get deleted... But that is funny, don't care who you are.... 

love to see a girl go out   and get dirty   u are the best 



and ps  thank you  for your suport on no helmet  on pics u rock

Nice picture ;)

Ah heck, that was clean... well at that point... 


I just thought it was ironic that pic was been on my profile for a long time...  Too Funny..  And yea, the muddier the better...  My bike don't think so right now, but it's still fun..... ;D

If that was clean, post up some DIRTY ones............... >:D >:D >:D

 ;) ;D ;D ;D

I cant do that here.... ;)

Besides, you know better..... :-X

 ;) :o ;)

Actually, I must say.... Before I fall asleep (cuz I got to get up sooooo early in the morning >:(), this has been a great night...  Kind of mind me of the old days, don't y'all think.... :-*

Good night Beck! :-*

Good night... Cuz thats what I am going to do, just about now...... :sleepy.gif