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Hi, my dad just bought me a .30-06 for my 18th B-day. Its still a week before my B-day but the gun shop had a nice used scoped Weatherby for really good deal. My question is, the scope on it has a scope cover that goes over both ends. The end closest to your eye has a yellow lens and the other one is clear. Is this for low light conditions? I kow yellow sunglass lenses and goggle lenses are for low light conditions so I assume this is too?

Yellow is set up for low - no reflection. So you do not see your own eyeball when looking in the glass. You can see better in the low light hours if the tube is bigger. The tube between the two occular glass pieces. So, the larger the diameter of the straight tube the better the low level light you can see in.

Any film on any glass is made for reflection and not general occular enhancement. To achieve occular enhancement you must incorporate night vision or magnification. :N

30-06 baddass by the way! I love that particular rifle. My favorite is the AK-47 unfortunately you cant eat much of the meat when you are finished killing it ::)

uhmmm kind of. The yellow lens is for low light but I recommend only at dusk and not dawn. If you can see your own eyeball in an optic then your eye relief is messed up. From experience I will tell you that you should take the yellow lens off if you can. If you are good shooter it will mess up your sight picture and alignment because of the intensity.

thats what i was thinking. i figured itd mess with it somehow. i wont use it then. unless i just absolutely have to.

Do you know how to get a true zero(calibrate) on a scope? If I was you I recommend shooting with iron sights until you can no kidding hit everything you see in your sights. It is harder to hit your target with a scope then with iron sights believe it or not. Some guys mount up a scope and just start shooting. There are too many variables involved when a scope gets involved. My suggestions.

-Get a large washer size cardboard box.
-draw a circle that is 2 inches wide all around on it
-take 3 well aimed shots on it then mark them (your shots should be in a circle no bigger then a tennis ball)
-adjust sights (if you have adjustable sights)
-take another well 3 aimed shots and if your sights or scope is any good you should be dead on target

well, i dont have iron sights. its a hunting rifle. im taking it tomorrow to sight it in. by a 2 inch wide circle, you mean a big circle around the whole box or a circle with a 2" diameter?

and when i sight it in, how do you do that?

a circle no bigger then 2 inches in diameter. Naturally you want a black circle on a white back ground. Step away from the circle 36 paces and fire. Your scope should be adjustable for up and down and right and left. Only in a perfect world can a scope be bolted to a rifle and it fires where the cross hairs are. PM me were you are shooting and I might be able to teach you some stuff on the proper way to shoot.

were goin out to some property our church owns in the woods here in Brevard county. Cocoa to be exact.

i have a 36"x36" target that i can put a circle on. so, i need to walk 36 steps/yards to shoot? then where will that be zeroed in at? 100yds?

- take 3 well aimed shots to get your group you then adjust your scope from these 3 shots to get you in the center
-take another 3 shots to get your next group, if your 3 shots are in the center then take another 4 shots to confirm and if they are not then repeat the first step.

Now you are zeroed at 100 yards and the only adjustment you have to make is elevation (not needed in Florida) or wind calls to justify for the wind. Im not going to insult your intelligence but do you know that a bullet takes a path similar to a football thrown from the 1 yard line to the next end-zone 99 yards away?

 :D rolback1 :R :oo :K

This is too funny!


Fox17 - Congrats on the rifle. Send me a PM and I'll guide you (correctly) on setting things up.

God this was a funny thread.

Why cant you just post it up? I would like to see how your input varies from mine and make sure you know what you are talking about because I know a thing or two about long range/quick acquisition ;)

In agree with Erbilibuc. I would like to know another way to properly site this rifle. I just think the response was uncalled for. This has been discussed before and I remember Anoriginal was versed in this. But he could be a litle more respectful about it. 

Fox17 is calling me on the phone. I'll take care of him, trust me.

No disrespect meant. I honestly did/do find it funny.

And.............. the proper way for us to site our rifles in is.................?

I am a little curious myself in how it would differ. Correctly, not from a website, but from experience is appreciated. While you are at it could you please inform us of your background in the expertise of this procedure. Mine is really nothing other than having had and sighting in for 30 years as well as being a forward scout in the U.S. Army, I am just so freakin interested. It is actually killing me to know the correct way to do it. PLEASE TELL US!!!

I PM'ed Fox 17. If he wants to, he can share the info with you all. I am sure you all have tons of experience, etc. But, there's much more to it than described above and definitely better/more correct ways to do this.  ;)

Forward scout huh? Good for you. Spent a lot of time shooting distance?

I believe that thar is called a parabola!   

But, everyone understands that a bullet does not rise once it leaves the barrel of a gun unless that barrel is elevated right? I mean, to suggest otherwise is contrary to the proven laws of physics. To say a bullet shot from a horizontal barrel actually rises and then drops like something thrown would suggest the bullet somehow overcomes gravity itself.

Now that would be magic. ;D

So are you contradicting the forward scout or are you sayin that a bullet fired from a horizontal barrel does NOT fly like a football from the 1 yard line to the 99 yard line? I mean , i have  a pretty good understanding of simple physics and would have to lean more towards your theory.

I guess you could have a strong enough arm to throw a football 100 yards, from a perfectly level and horizontal release, and only have it drop, right? Maybe that is what he was sayin. Would that be a half a prabola?

So is it possible, with enough gun powder to shoot a bullet 100 yards , from a horizontal barrel, without any drop? I mean not even a cat hairs worth of drop? 

If that forward scourt is claiming that a bullet rises out of the barrel, I am definitely saying he's wrong. But I don't think the forward scout guy was saying that. erbilabac is the one who, I believe, said the bullet rises.

Drop is a given.... in a football or a bullet. While greater velocity succumbs to gravity over a longer period of time than slower velocity, you will still get drop. So, I suppose you could get a load that was as close to flat as you can imagine at 100 yards but, there would always be a bit of drop. ;)

Touche' - I did not imply that a bullet would or would not drop, seeing as how I have never actually seen a bullet in slow motion going down any particular fotballfield, I could not attest to the fact that while a bullet from a gun would rise or fall.

I simply am stating that with a 30-06 the comment of think of it like a football does not apply to this particular weapon at 100yards. A football thrown from a human will have to arch to reach the end of the field. In the 1700's they called this volleying rounds. Ergo they had made weapons with "volley sites" in that era for this exact purpose. How ever with a 30-06 the maximum range:

Elevation(deg.) Range(yds.)  Flight Time(sec.)  Final Velocity(f.p.s.)  Angle of Fall(deg.)
       5               2464               7.56                    588                       11.25
      10              3273              12.65                    447                       24.1
      20              4097              20.95                    390                       47.68
      30              4413              27.91                    405                       62.40
      34              4455              30.2                      416                       66.15
      35              4456              31.06                    417                       67.4
      40              4413              34.01                    429                       71.35

As for the arch question, a bullet seems to rise as the trajectory of the rifle is raised for further targets and your sight line is constant at eye-level. With this said I the Forward Scout am simply saying at 100 yards with a 30-06 you do not need to raise it above the target to hit it. It will smash it into a thousand pieces just fine from 100 yards perfectly level. And whoever asked about my experience with distance shots. Two words, 11 confirmed, Sir.

 ??? Um, thanks for proving my point for me. Again, a bullet never rises coming from the barrel unless the barrel is elevated......just like I said in the beginning. And you should forward scout my prior post...I never suggested you said the bullet rises out of the muzzle. In fact, I suggested the opposite.



Oh, and simple physics dictates the barrel is elevated to make a zero shot at 100 yards. It's impossible otherwise. Granted, the elevation and drop are negligible.

Great cut and paste though.  :ThumbsUp.gif

It was only a matter of time before he opened his big mouth. i am suprised Anoriginal took so long to post. Watch out, he thinks he knows it all and everyone else is just stupid to him. What a bone head!!! :lecture.gif :X

 I over heard a guy at the gun range say " a bullet rises 0 to 50yds" .
Hmm , gravity has no affect below 50?
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Well then. Seeing how I must be wrong in some manner....why don't you point out just what it is that I said wrong? Obviously, you're far more knowledgable on this subject than I. So, lets hear it or are you just going to make chicken comments behind the keyboard. As I recall, I've dealt with you before and made you look quite foolish on this subject. You think you'd learn.

Truth of the matter is, I am right. 100% right and that's a fact. Nothing is subject to more scrutiny these days that the use of firearms in any manner. I am extremely active in the area of firearms and the rights of gun owners. So, anytime I have an opportunity to correct something that's wrong or guide someone in the right direction...I do it. Which, incidentally, is exactly what I did in this case. I sent Fox 17 a very detailed PM. Hopefully, he'll use the advice.


You can lead them to water Robert, but you can't make them drink. Ha ha!

So super fly , we have never been in a forum together or discussed anything remotely close to something resembling anything you might know or I might know, In fact I don't know you. As for the forward scout comments of sarcasim I would say only this, Stand behind our Armed forces, if that does not suit you try standing in front of them.

I was not arguing what you said in fact it was quite the opposite, I was in total agreeance, you obviously have something to prove so I will be the gentleman and bow out of this confrontation. Have a great night.

thanks for the info Anoriginal. really appreciate it.  :ThumbsUp.gif

Fox 17, glad to help. Hope you enjoy the Weatherby!


Megapurt...that made no sense at all.

Anoriginal, i sent you a pm too.

hey I used the football example as a simple example and thats all. As soon as any bullet departs any barrel it starts to drop. Of course at 50 yards the drop will be miniscule compared to at 500 yards but it does drop. I'm sorry if my explanation makes no sense but Im not good at typing an explanation.

The fact is that the earth is curved and thats the only thing I am going to argue with on here with anyone if they want to:)

I think we are all saying the same thing just in different ways.

No problem and point taken. It's all good.  ;)

look.....irregardless of all you heard or read above....

I have a for sure fact prooven method of sighting a rifle with one and only one shot....

I hate to be picky but this is not a real word. -irregardless
It is still just regardless. I really wasnt tryin to be mean or a smart a**

Irregardless is a word that caused controversy since it first appeared in the early twentieth century. It is generally listed in dictionaries as "non-standard".


Origin
The origin of irregardless is not known for certain, but the consensus among references is that it is a portmanteau of irrespective and regardless, both of which are commonly accepted standard English words. By blending these words, an illogical word is created. "Since the prefix ir- means 'not' (as it does with irrespective), and the suffix -less means 'without,' irregardless is a double negative."[1]. (Cf. inflammable, flammable.)

Irregardless is a word that many mistakenly believe to be correct usage in formal style, when in fact it is used chiefly in nonstandard speech or casual writing. Coined in the United States in the early 20th century, it has met with a blizzard of condemnation for being an improper yoking of irrespective and regardless and for the logical absurdity of combining the negative ir– prefix and –less suffix in a single term. Although one might reasonably argue that it is no different from words with redundant affixes like debone and unravel, it has been considered a blunder for decades and will probably continue to be so.


Thanks anyway Mr. Hand   :dunno.gif I didn't know English writing professors were lurking about on an ATV board  ::)

by the way neither was I (tryin to  be a smart a**)

oh yeah wasn't should have an apostrophe between the n and the t for future reference  ;) and not to beleaguer the point here but tryin....is actually spelled trying  :-*

what a bunch of immature idiots. arguing over a word and its origin and definition. its probably not even a real word. if it is, no one says it.

Fox...when you start a sentence you should capitalize the first word in that sentence.  :-* Sentence structure is so important!!! And Fox...if no one says it why is there over 200 pages (hits) of the word on google???
lighten up you need to learn to have some fun ha ha ha ha whooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

and beside you havent even asked me what my for sure fact prooven method of sighting a rifle with one and only one shot

 :N usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. [/glow][/size]

I stand corrected, douche!

You cannot say anything on these threads with out that one guy, well two now that know every God dam* thing. Pointless discussion anyway.

I know nothing about the following:

False Fingernails
Anal Bleaching
Soap Operas
Teen Beat Magazine
Being a Wuss
Blood Pudding
High Heeled Shoes
Nuclear Physics
Tattoos
Living with Herpes
Eye Liner
Being Stupid

See there, I don't know every got dayum thing.   :M

i dont need to, Anoriginals method works just fine. why only shoot once? wheres the fun in that?

as for the 200 pages of hits, maybe some people say it, but i guarantee that not many of these rednecks on here do.

I heard you know alot about penile implants.  :o

wow, feel the love.

ROTFLMAO
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Fox...to help answer your question, here's a couple of guys that know about hunting!

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdgKkkJ3E1s 

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

I sure do! Thanks for sitting me down and explaining to me everthing about your's and how it's working out for you. You are and excellent lecturer!   :L rolback1

LMAO!!!!!  rolback1

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