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Got a great deal on the setup.  Anyway, did some fitting and adjusting and got it installed.  I'll post up results (I'm not using any electronics at this time...no MAP adjuster) soon enough

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And does anyone know if I can use the MAP adjuster for my MAF on 2002 ford ranger 3.0 flex fuel?

I know someone posted on the HHO forums that has the same truck as me.  He was posting 20% increase w/o any electronics...

Looks good.

Why didn't you inject the gas on the other side of the MAF sensor?

Supposibly with my truck, it causes it to run rough because of POST MAF injected air not being accounted for.  Basically it puts too much air that the PCM didn't account for.

I just did a lot of reading and everyone with a 3.0 or 4.0 ford did it before the MAF.  A few did it after the MAF, but quickly changed it to before.

I need help with the MAP sensor! :)

I put mine after the MAF and it purrrrrsssss like a kitten.

Maybe it's because I have 4 bottles and the gas is more concentrated.

Yea, I have heard different things from different sites.  Everyone with the 3.0 or 4.0 ford ends up putting it before the maf, so thats what i opted for :)

I'm happy with it so far...purrs like crazy, I didn't even notice it running it was so smooth!

I have a 99 GMC, Z71, 5.3L, 4X4, 7" lift, 35" tires 109,000 miles on it.

I can't wait to hear the results of this one. I just grabbed some 4" PVC and a bunch of stainless wallplates to make one.

Cool. The one guy that came into my office that put it on his ranger said that the first tank showed 28, but since then it went back to 20. He is still working on it because that was the first one he built and he said that he built it simplified.

Perhaps that is a lightfoot/new device phenomenon...?

Do you know if the guy had an EFI controller on it?

Thanks jack!

And nice truck TRX, I saw pics of the system iteslf, you got any pics of the truck?

He said that he just hooked up the system with alligator style clips just to see if it would work. No MAF sensor or anything. It must have been a very basic system because he said that he even took it off and hooked it up to his mower.  ;D

haha, nice, get the lawn mower MPG

So could you ask him what he was getting before? I'm pretty curious bc I've heard of people getting good MPG on my type of ranger with JUST the HHO

He said 19 before, then 28 on first tank, then back to 20

ahhhh, so probably just a driver/conditions thing...not the HHO doing the 28mpg

What mix ratio are you using?Using the distilled & baking soda or sodium hydrate?

I teaspoon baking soda in the jar filled up 1" from top.  Seems to be producing...

I am using 3 teaspoons per 2/3 quart. Im goin to sitch over to the sodium hydrate next tankful.

I heard the drain cleaner is great stuff

I have 8 teaspoons of baking soda in each jar.

Im on my 3rd refill & theres a good sedement layer floating near the bottom. Guess its time to wash them out. 8 tspns seems high,is it producing a thick fog immediately?

I hope you're using a bubbler, I see moisture in the line.

I'm going by the water4gas books. It makes gas very fast. I have them wired in series so it breaks down the voltage.


I'm using a bubbler.

Here is a pic of my truck.

I also installed indicator lights so I know the HHO generators are working. I have them wired in series in pairs. One is wired with green and the other is wired with red. Hence the green and red lights. I also installed a switch to turn them off if I need to have the key on without the truck running I don't have to pull the fuses. I used to have a factory cd player mounted there that was seperate from the factory AM/FM cassette player. Since I have an aftermarket stereo I decided to install the stuff there with the elecric brake controller.

Looks good, keep us informed about the milage.

nice

Thanks, I will have a mileage update on Monday.

Keep in mind I only have the front O2s spaced out. I haven't installed any electronics yet. I want to see the difference with and without.

jrpro I noticed the cruise control switch mounted on the master cyl. be cafeful those were the ones on recall from ford for causing fires. I disconnected mine

I don't have a bubbler...should I be worried?

All the bubbler is, is water with the hho tube going in one side and the "out" to the intake going to the other?

I don't realy know about it.

I'm thinking about 02 spacers

I dont want to sound like a D1ck....But you need to read and search for more information. The bubbler AKA backflash, scrubber does two thing one keeps the mix from going inside your eng and second keep your generator from popping thru the hood if your engine ever backfires.


Warning to ALL playing with HHO........READ and READ some more before grabbing some jars and baking soda. YOU could damage your engine and electrical system in your car very easy.

I'm done with this sh*t....

F this...I'm not messing with this crap.  I guess it got too hot and melted.  I was only running 1/4 teaspoon baking soda...I'm pretty pissed to say the least.  So I wrote the guy an email that I got it from

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Not worth my frustration...I'll bend over at the pump before I try this jimmy rigging crap!!!




Big daddy, it's not a matter of reading, it's just that I don't really find it all that interesting, I would love to know a lot about it, but I can't take more than 5 mins of reading; I feel like I'm back in HS chemistry. I bought a kit so I wouldn't have to build my own and research, and was told I have everything I need...little did I know...

So I'm done with it, I'll be a stupid american and bend over at the pump until I sell my ranger and buy a diesel.  I'm not messing with this crap...

Don't get disscouraged because you got a piece of junk.

I see it was constructed with a metal lid. I bet that the terminals weren't isolated and it melted together, like welding. That why the plastic lid is better.

Damn, sorry to see that. I have read many problems about the generator getting hot and drawing too much power after a while on. I like TRX450R_Racer's design with multiple cells.

In the water4gas book it says that the best set up is 6 jars. Wired 2 seperate strings of 3 in series, all using the same 12 volts. It breaks up the voltage, lowers the amount of heat and ups the amount of gas.


Bummer I just went to the ebooks online to post some pictures and they have been removed from the server. Good thing I read it a bunch of times.

I run a 10 amp fuse and haven't popped it.

Jr did you have a fuse inline? How many amp was it?

Too much mixture with heat from the engine ended your project early. When I saw the moisture in the hose and the jar bubbling on the top it looked to me it was getting to hot. But don't get disscouraged I have done worst in the beginning of some of my project. Its best that you use plates and a good container vs Jars.   

I use house water filter for all my HHO generator, stronger and can handle the heat from the unit.
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The site looks to be down?

I saw that also.

I think the government shut em down :(

I was running ~5amps.  I had 1/4 teaspoon.  The discoleration is from all the plexi melting. 

I did notice it got hot from the engine heat.  I don't really want to run another system.  If i do it would be a big daddy kit, and I'd run it in the back of my bed to get away from the heat.  I don't really think I want to mess with it though, 18mpg isn't all too shabby (Thats what I get on my MPG tune).  I just get 15 because I usually tow at least 1x a tank.  I get 14 towing.

The guy is giving me a full refund.  I'm very happy about that.

A co-worker put a set up on his 74 ford with a worked 302 in it and he said it went from 15mpg to 23mpg

Older vehicles with a carburetor respond better to it then the newer computer controlled, fuel injected ones.

hey guys what do you think about the water 4 gas specs and will it work in my ford f350 super duty diesel power stroke?  thanks

Check with Bushwacker. He has one on his 6.0 Diesel.

If it doesnt have oxygen sensors it will

man, I guess everyone just gave up.

I sure gave up!

has anyone sold this to the dealers yet .. i guess it not working as well as everyone was hopping for .. if this was working as well they said toyota,nissan,chevy,ford would all over bummer to all that wasted there money and time

Honda and GM are working on it. They even supposed to have some built, but not selling them yet. The problem is that its very explosive and to build a car that would work on it, they need to have a place to store the fuel because if they built it like these units, people would not maintain it properly and then you could have an explosion and then its lawsuit problems.

can some one send me info on this system I have an 81 ford F350 with a very worked 460 that gets 8 mpg anything has to help

Yea....  get a Chevy..... 

Sorry.... ya know I couldn't resist.....  ;)