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Won't work, we already cut down our uses and prices are still rising. We now incorporate 10% ethanol to our gas and the price keeps rising. All the pricing goes through Opec and until we fix that our prices will never come down.
Thats what happens when you put 2 oil tycoons in office, especially on a second term. We have to ask ourselves why under both Bushes father and son gas price went out of control. :-\

Well the last term it was  flip flop Kerry running against him, a man who couldn't decide which way to speak.  Now after the next 4 years instead of everyone saying, thats what happens when you put an oil tycoon in office, people can say, thats what happens when you put a racist person in office after most of the criminals go free because of their race and the white man becomes the slaves..

I agree with ya yunt, there's not much to pick from. It's never going to change until people start voting out side there party lines. Lets give the third party a chance or an independent.

What the goverment is doing now is ,there going to deplete the middle easts oil.Then there going to start drilling in enviromently sensitve areas like the Gulf of mexico and Alaska. The tree huggers are going to raise hell  but too bad for them

Some of you guys need a serious education in the way our government works.  It's pathetic the way people fall for political rhetoric.  Go do yourself a favor and learn what each of the three branches of government do before you start spouting off.  At least you might have a chance of catching yourself before proving your ignorance.

Diggin is right,

Here are a few tidbits you may find insightful......



Part 1 

 In just two years .  Remember the election in 2006?

 Thought you might like to read the following:

 A little over one year ago:


 

1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;

2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;

3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.


 

Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:


 

1) Consumer confidence plummet;

2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3.50 a gallon;

3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);

4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses);

5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;

6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.


 

America voted for change in 2006, and we got it!


 

Remember it's Congress that makes law not the President. He has to work with what's handed to him.

 

Quote of the Day........'My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world.  I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it.' -- Barack Obama


 

 

Part 2:

Taxes...Whether Democrat or a Republican you will find these statistics enlightening and amazing.

  [url=http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.html]www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.html[/url]

Taxes under Clinton 1999                   Taxes under Bush 2008

Single making 30K - tax $8,400             Single making 30K - tax $4,500

Single making 50K - tax $14,000          Single making 50K - tax $12,500

Single making 75K - tax $23,250          Single making 75K - tax $18,750

Married making 60K - tax $16,800       Married making 60K- tax $9,000

Married making 75K - tax $21,000       Married making 75K - tax $18,750

Married making 125K - tax $38,750     Married making 125K - tax $31,250

 

Both democratic candidates will return to the higher tax rates

 

It is amazing how many people that fall into the categories above think Bush is screwing them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever. If Obama or Hillary are elected, they both say they will repeal the Bush tax cuts and a good portion of the people that fall into the categories above can't wait for it to happen. This is like the movie The Sting with Paul Newman; you scam somebody out of some money and they don't even know what happened.


 

 

PART 3:

You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much?

      Read this:

Boy am I confused.  I have been hammered with the propaganda that it

is the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us.

I now find that to be RIDICULOUS.

I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again

until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them.  I

have included the URL's for verification of all the following facts.

1.      $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens

each year by state governments.     Verify at: [url]http://tinyurl.com/zob77[/url]

2.      $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs

such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.

Verify at: [url]http://www.cis[/url]..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

3.      $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.

Verify at: [url]http://www.cis[/url]..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

 

4.     $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school

education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!

Verify at:  [url]http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html[/url]

 5.      $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the

 American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.

Verify at [url]http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html[/url]

6.  $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.

Verify at: [url]http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html[/url]

7.  30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.

 Verify at: [url]http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html[/url]

 8.  $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare &

social services by the American taxpayers. Verify at:

  [url]http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html[/url]

9.  $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused

 by the illegal aliens. Verify at: [url]http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html[/url]

10.  The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate

that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens.  In particular,

 their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US

Verify at: [url]http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html[/url]

11.  During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens

that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens

from Terrorist Countries.  Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin

and mariju ana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.

Verify at: Homeland Security Report:  [url]http://tinyurl.com/t9sht[/url]

12.  The National Policy Institute, 'estimated that the total

cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average

cost of  between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.'

Verify at:  [url]http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf[/url]

13.  In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances

back to their countries of origin.

Verify at: [url]http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm[/url]

14.  'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million

Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States.'

Verify at: [url]http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml[/url]

The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.

I was reading in the paper sunday that even if they drilled for more oil they said it would only drop the price of each barrel down only 75 cents which only drops the price of gas down 2 cents.

Damn I only thought Diggin would be  igornate one to post something like this.
   [url]http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/votedforchange.asp[/url] ([url]http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/votedforchange.asp[/url])
The second part is true though, but I guess that was the democratic congress that let all the beaners in too. rolback1

1) DRILL FOR OIL NOW!
Approve fast-track legislation to begin extracting oil and natural gas from the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR), the Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) and deep waters in the Gulf of Mexico, dramatically reducing foreign dependence.

IMHO this is what this is all about. Oils companies have tried for years to get approval to drill for oil in these locations with out success. So they figure if the price goes high enough we will let they drill in these areas

2) REFINE MORE OIL NOW!
Approve fast-track legislation to build at least four new, strategically placed oil refineries throughout the U.S. as well as building new pipeline infrastructure to deliver finished product throughout the U.S.


According to the St. Petersburg Times The United States has the biggest stockpile of emergency oil owned by a government in the world. Called the strategic petroleum reserve, It contains about 700-million barrels that are stored along the Gulf Coast in underground salt caverns.

This is suppose to be used in an emergency if we have interrupted supplies from other countries. Or in case of a war.

Every time we have a hurricane in the gulf the oil companies use this as an excuse to raise the price of gas because there aren't enough refineries to produce enough gas to replace the volume that was lost while the oil rigs couldn't produce oil.

If we don't already have enough refineries how the hell could our country produce gas from our oil reserves in an emergency.

3) STRONG US DOLLAR NOW!
Demand the federal government puts a freeze on new spending and reduces our $9.4 trillion national debt and deficits. This action will immediately strengthen the dollar and help reduce inflation.

I'll go along with this. Here's another idea, Why not raise prices of our products that are exported to other countries.  You know our farmers would love to see corn sell for $500.00 a bushel. $5.00 a piece for a potato or a tomato.

How about all the countries pay back the loans that the good old USA gave them.
How about Arab countries pay for the supplies that our government is giving them to build new schools and hospitals.

I was reading in the paper sunday that even if they drilled for more oil they said it would only drop the price of each barrel down only 75 cents which only drops the price of gas down 2 cents.

You shouldn't always believe what you read.  Just because someone sat down at a computer and typed something up doesn't mean it is true.

Unless Snopes finds out that someone has lied.......


But then again, Snopes may be lying.

Snopes would never intentionally lie  about anything. They are rather well respected and have a team of researchers who track down every source, no matter how obscure.

Osama bin laden said "we will ruin the the US financially" looks like he's doin a damn good job.He knew that Bush would go to war in Iraq when they planned 9/11.and Bush fell for it hook line and sinker.

It is ExxonMobil's legal responsibility to maximise shareholder profit.  ;)