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anyone been to 5a at all in the last week or 2 i think im going this weekend

I was there 3 weekends ago, was pretty crowded in the afternoon.

Havn't been for a while. Need to get back... Taking mine to SC this weekend. Wah Whooo!!!!!

went this weekend  it was wet  as hell   got rain on  but  love it..
its a good ride for me,,, but will keep going back!

I don't wanna sound like a old man but the more you guys bring this place up online the quicker it is gonna get shut-down.It is private property and we are all just getting away with riding there.I'd like to keep it that way if ya get my drift.

There are more and more people there every weekend.When that happens the trouble makers show-up and ruin it for the rest of us.

I'd just keep it quiet online to be safe.We all know it's there. ;)

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN SHORGASM.   I WAS THERE THIS PAST WEEKEND WITH EIGER MUDDER.     HAD A GREAT TIME.   HE ONLY ASKED CUZ WE LIVE ALMOST TO HOURS AWAY.   IT WOULD HAVE REALLY SUCKED TO TRAVEL ALL THAT WAY AND NOT BEEN ABLE TO RIDE.   AS FOR THE IDIOTS THAT SCREW IT UP FOR THE REST OF US.   THATS A NEVER ENDING BATTLE.

The day is comming SOON.............very soon. Even though I live one mile from 5A I'm thinking of bringing two of my friends out on my rhino that work for BCSO in the next few weekends just to let them see whats going on out there and see if they can pressure some action out there. The plan is they "BCSO and VCSO" are going to start again giving parking and tresspassing tickets again soon anyway. Even if this move cost me a riding spot........ I'm tried of people riding out there ruining a awsome riding area for everyone.

what is bringing the BCSO or VCSO gonna acomplish? the last time i was there, it was a couple weekends ago.        i didnt have any problems with anyone.   but the amount of dirt bikes on the paved part of the road was a bit much.   nothing against 2 wheels vs 4.   i just do want attention brought there do to that.   or anyone riding  on the roadway.

Its going to make them well aware of how the place is being ruined by trash/garbage being left there and start them handing out parking and tresspassing tickets at the very least. I have to admit, before the internet very few people knew about 5A and it was only locals that knew.......we kept it clean. I and others would rather see it closed down to keep the area from being ruined. Its private property anyway, its NOT a LEGAL riding spot period unless you have permission from the owners "I have a letter".

Listen, we were there sunday. We picked up 15 55 gallon bags worth of trash. The real f**k**g kicker of it all was the fact that we had a few instances of where rednecks were throwing their beer cans and bottles at/near us while we were bent over picking sh*t up. I will not go there again after that sh*t. How can people be so rude and in their own atmosphere that they can not simply respect other people.

i've been going there 10 years or better in my jeep or 4 wheeler, the one thing that will shut that place down more than anything else, is riding around during hunting season.

theres people that own that land for just that reason!!!!!!!!!



i've seen more burnt cars and trash there than anywhere else, for as long as i've been going there,they dont care, as long as you stay out during hunting (deer) season.

I'm very sorry to hear that Cosmo and a BIG THANK YOU for helping clean up out there!

5A is no different from any other place.  No one knows about it at first....then its just a few locals....then it hits the internet.....then everyone and their mom is there......then it starts getting trashed.....then it gets shut down......then people still try to ride there.....some get caught....some dont.....its the same old story just a different spot this time. 

How do you stop this whole process ?  Not sure if you can  :-[

You can't control everyone and unfortunately not everyone respects the sport like they should.

I'm not 1 of those deutsch's. I respect the trails. Could somebody please pm me with the location. I wont forget it. I ride 2 or 3 times a week & eventually I'll find some good spots to share with you guys. 

I think the owners should charge like 10bucks to ride there, and then pay a couple of guys to police the area. You see people littering and what not, boot them out. The way admission would be handled is the $10bucks buys you a right to ride letter from the owner for that day. Everyone else can get tickets. If you did that one simple thing you would eliminate half of the idiots in one shot.

i was out there two weeks ago it was awesome not to much mud so the sport bike was still fun but enough mud you could git yourself stuck for a looooooong time anyhoo its not a certain kind of vehicle i saw a foreman riding all the way down past the stuckey's im new to the dirtbike scene[just got one yesterday] but i would not ride down the rode 1st of all because ive seen WAAAYYY to many cops sitten up there by the bridge 2nd because i hate riding on pavement i dont  know why anyone would it messes up the handling and wheres down your tires i mean really whats the point

Well, I live close and I do have to cross the pavement.....I however will not get a ticket.  ;) HEHE   Anyway, talked to my guys and patrols will increase with BCSO and VCSO, they have purchased some enduros and 4x4 ATV's as well as VCSO has. Some days they might be wearing uniforms and others not. They are also working with the land owners. Its going to be interesting. FHP will also be making patrols.

ive seen cops out there they didnt bother me but then again i didnt have a blunt in one hand and a bottle of jd in the other tearin up and down the paved road like alot of the people out there
people out there need to realize if your riding on someone elses property at least pretend to be responsible and respectful if it your property i can understand if you wanna git wasted and act crazy but dont go out to someone elses camp and party and leave sheet all over the place [freind of mine has property out there and a little hunting camp some drunk fools lit it on fire]

way to represent you and your coworkers.

na na na na boo boo, I can do something illegal and not get in trouble  :ThumbsDown.gif

the only thing that more patrols will do is get the place shut down for good,,,it isn't going to calm down the idiots that go out there and ruin it for the rest of us, it's just going to get EVERYONE kicked out.

thanks, now we know who to thank when it happens.

Id@

Then tell me what going to work "self policeing".........nope. So whats next? I see no other choice but to do this. I and others have the needed permission so if it closes.........well I still have a place to ride.


BTW, yes I do get "professional courtesies", it may have been a mistake on my part to post that but I'm glad I do have them. I do not take advantage of them like I could, crossing the paved road and getting cut a break IF CAUGHT is one I do use from time to time. Yes, I will not ever do this again "bad boy" slaps hand "bad boy" slaps hand again.

not the point,,,,you admit to consistently breaking the law and only consider it bad if you get caught.

nice example.

let me tell you this, I have access to a great little spot out in Salt Springs that is like an oasis in the middle of the forest,,,,it's basically a house with all the amenities that can be a great little spot to stop and recharge the batteries before continuing on your journey.

Let's say that you, a few other people and I are all riding ONF and we are in the middle of about a 100 mile trip across the forest.  We decide that a break would be great to get out of the 100 degree heat, go sit in the A/C, grab a drink, use the bathroom/etc.  Am I going to leave you behind and tell you that "nope sorry, you don't have permission, keep on going we'll catch up with you", of course not, I'm going to invite you in. 

Now on the way, you decide to start doing donuts in the street in front of a neighbor's home and just can't resist bouncing the throttle off the rev limiter a few times before shutting it down.  I would tell you that isn't acceptable and if it's kept up you need to leave.  You ignore me and keep it up so you are asked to leave.  You end up being shunned by the local community of ATV riders and not having any friends to ride with, when your quad breaks, you have to take it to the dealer because no one else will help you.  You eventually break your quad so badly that it's cheaper to replace, or you hurt yourself.

now this would be an extreme case, and an accelerated one, but it is what happens to people like the ones that are ruining this particular spot for the rest.

the way you are acting with this makes you seem like a punk from high school that never grew up and is still sticking his tongue out at people while unloading in what will soon be your "private" little riding spot with the help of your "professional courtesies".

now, as for the spot, I've ridden there twice and don't really care for it, but it would be nice to be able to keep it open for one of those mid-week quick-fix rides that help recharge the batteries from time to time.

Id@

So you want everyone out except you because you have a letter from the owners and your a medic and know some cops? I agree with the rednecks ruining the place but what your proposing is a little unfair. It may be private property but it's not your private property.

All I want is the place cleaned up. There are ALOT of good people that ride out there......yes I know there a few that ruin it for everyone but maybe the patrols will clean out the "riff-raff". I know most people in this forum and good pleople that want this riding area cleaned up and make it a fun, safe place to ride. Yes, I'm fortunate to have a "pass" so to speak, do I want it all to myself.....well no it would suck with no one out there. Let Law Enforcement do a nice job cleaning house and it will all settle back down.

I just as easily could have gave no warning in the forums but knowing that the vast majority in here are responsible riders I though I might share the info....my bad for doing so.

Yes, I'm a Professional Firefighter-Paramedic and I do know alot of Law Enforcement officers including my father, most of them ride out there too and want the same thing......"it cleaned up".

well said

Just curious.....what did you have to do to go from Firefighter-Paramedic to......."Professional" Firefighter-Paramedic.......lol

Because there is a difference between a Professional Firefighter and a "wannabe" Volunteer thats untrained. Just wanted it known I was a trained Professional paid Union Firefighter-Paramedic.

I don't know many volunteer firefighters that are Paramedic certified....in fact I don't know a single one.    And I don't think anyone was going to think you were a volunteer.  I'm not trying to take a shot at you...my brother is Fire-Rescue for Marion County.  Just sounded like you were trying to toot your own horn.....hey just MHO.   Adios.

I will tell you that yes, there are a few bad apples that go out during the day. That being said and your comment about only the locals knew about this before and it was nice makes me laugh. I have ridden this location several times and I am usually there before the sun comes up and I am the first one there cutting the spider webs. I like the relaxation and ridding alone. I would say that 95% of the times I have been out there that early, I see open fires smoldering surrounded by fresh trash. I put the fires out, look a little closer and what do I see? Truck tracks leaving the exact spot, NOT ATV tracks, truck tracks.

Do you think ATV's drag cars back there to burn them? It is the night crowd aka the “locals” whom are ruining this spot. It is the local younger underage drinkers causing this problem as well. I along with many others pick up trash out there and respect the land. It really chaps my azz to see some do good "Nancy Boy" trying to group everyone into one category and go off on some campaign even if it does “cost you your riding spot”. We all know this will never happen due to your "professional courtesies".

I respect people’s property as I respect my own and in most cases even more to show appreciation and that I do recognize that in today’s society we don’t have rights, we have privileges.

I agree with an earlier post on the owners charging $10 a head or even a yearly membership. Maybe you can run that past the people you have your letter from. Lets use this sight and your contacts in a positive manor to benefit everyone and keep the trouble out.

X

I agree Xfactor. Its the same problem we have with the few last spots we have to ride up here in deland. We try to keep them clean but a perfect example is last friday we went for a evening ride, got there around 6pm, around 8pm we went around the figure 8 that goes around 2 mud holes. Me and my buddy on his dirtbike were flying around the figure eight, we clear a blind spot and what do we find? 5 f**k**g 16 year old kids in lawn chairs drinking some beam and starting a fire in the MIDDLE of the trail. We went back out yesturday to find the entire area destroyed with bottles, tons of places were they started fires, trashcans everywhere that they used to cool their boos. I admit, i did alot of partying and such when I was under age but id be damned if I ever left the venue *normally a friends house* much less went drinking somewhere that I would have to drive out of in the end of the night.

So you've taken a poll for the state of Florida? I doubt it, in fact there are quite a few Volunteers in Florida that are Paramedics......most I know work for private ambulance companys like RMA, AMR and Coastal not to mention hospital owned ambulances that do interfacility transport ie:hospital to hospital.

So your better than them ?  You made a point to "make it known". 

Well said again. 

In fact I am. A emergency Paramedic "pre hospital" is a better Paramedic than one that does interfacility "post hospital" transport. They are just a "taxi" or "baby sitting" service, we emergency Paramedics have to treat patients.

I do have to agree with Proemt on this one. I am going to school to become a firefighter/paramedic and the actual work put in by the on the call, first responder paramedic is pretty intense compared to what my brother who worked for coastal did. All he had to do was make sure a patient stayed stabalized during a transport, compared to when he went to work with the station and was dealing with trying to keep people alive on the way to the hospital where he was having to rely on training and instinct. My hat is off to the pros, under pressure.

I know this an old post but it got on my nerves.

why would u DO THAT, SO NOBODY CAN RIDE OUT THERE anymore. Dont try to get it shut down quicker, which sounds like that would happen if u do that which is stupid. Just ride it out.

Too late and I didn't even take any of them out there......they went out there all on thier own because I was working a OT shift and could not go. They went out on thier own personal ATV's, just found out today about a hour ago. There will be night patrols along with the day and weekend. Also, another riding area "not in Palm Bay" is on the "hit list" to. They mentioned land owner complaints.

So, be careful out there.

I didn't mean better in that sense of the word.....wow.....you've gotta be kidding me.

You said it in a way to toot your own horn, make yourself seem all high and mighty....there's a fine line between being proud and being arrogant.  You demonstrated that for everyone.  Enjoy riding at 5A alone lol. 

And I just noticed your user name........nuff said

You go to school and become a Paramedic "Street Doctor" and have to deal with the things I deal with every 3rd day, then throw in pushing medications, defibing patients and if you get lucky maybe saving a life a shift.......yea, I'm very good at my job and to deal with the things I see and have to do.....yup you have to be confident and sometimes even arrogant. Its a VERY rare occasion that a Doctor or nurse will stop at a accident scene to help when they are off duty......I stop everytime if there is'nt any EMS on scene yet and as a patient I'd want someone just like me to help......the most confident/arrogant paramedic available for me and my family.

I see you just skipped over my post as well as Cosmos. In response to your reply about other areas on the hit list and not the Palm Bay area.....get your facts straight. I spoke with the deputy that patrols the area as well as the deputy that has property that backs up to a "certain area". IT IS THE LOCAL YOUNG HIGH SCHOOL KIDS IN THERE DRINKING AND RAISING HEII AT NIGHT. I spoke with both of the deputies and they said the night they did their "raid" it was almost like the movies. Helicopter lit up the area and about 50-75 trucks took off out of there. The said thing was they were almost all under age so what happens if they are not drunk??? They get let go because other wise the deputies have to call parents and baby-sit. Explain to me how the ATV’s are ruining his area as well.

Brother I can go toe to toe with you all night long with facts. The ATV's pick up their trash there because there are garbage cans that are always full. Trash doesn't get there on it's own. That area has no trashcans and they like to light trees on fire. Notice the 60-80 foot pine tree. Lets get our facts straight and then go talk to our buddies. Lets get the real facts. There are a few bad apples, yes but only a small handful.

If there are two things I live my life by it is "The Golden Rule" and my belief in "Karma" believe you me....it is a B**ch and will always come back to you.

X

Go ride and have fun at 5A.   ;D  Let me know how it all works out. I also believe this forum is supposed to be about LEGAL RIDING areas and 5A is not......its PRIVATE PROPERTY. You my friend are the one breaking the law by riding in that area, take your chances again.....let me know how it all works out for you.....enjoy! 

Hey Xfactor, i been tryin to get ahold of ya. Are u going this sat? I am. If your not then i guess ill be solo :(

Also mudman i talked to rick and he may go also if he gets his bike back together.

Now your trying to qualify why you are arrogant.  That was a nice little spin you put on it but doesnt change the fact that your arrogant.  Not an endearing quality.  I don't need an arrogant paramedic to save me, just someone who is confident and able, being arrogant doesn't make you a better paramedic.....just makes you (or anyone else for that matter) an @$$.....sorry not trying to offend......just MHO.

And in my line of work I have just as much to deal with as you.  Hmmmm.....still I see no need to act that way.  Oh well. 

A lot of spots people ride at are not technically legal.  But alot of those spots people don't get hassled by the cops and are allowed to ride there if they aren't doing anything stupid. 

It's almost like you get off on trying to get this placed closed down so only you and your male companions can ride alone out there.  I'm glad you deal with people that are usually out of it in your line of work because your people skills suck LOL.  Arrogant yes.....but more than that your just an @$$.  I hope you have plenty of friends because you sure won't make anymore acting like that. 

After reading this all I can say is wow.   I'm not going to comment on ProEMTPFF having the police patrol this area, do what you feel is right.   I want to comment on his/her professionalism.  You may be an excellent paramedic/firefight and I thank you for that as it is a tough job with crazy hours.

The problem I have is with "professional".  I have been working in law enforcement over 21 years.  We have reserve and part time officers working for the department.  I would never refer to them as "wannabes".  Nor would I refer to security personnel as "wannabes" in a public forum.  These folks are doing what they can the best they can for now.  Does a security guard want to be a police officer, maybe/maybe not.  Does a worker who does transport from one hospital to another want to be a first responder paramedic?  Maybe/maybe not.   But they are doing what they can and maybe working their way up the ladder.

Would I get a ticket for speeding?  Probably not.   Would I get arrested for tresspassing at 5a?  Probably not.  But I would not come on a public forum bragging how I can break the law and get away with it while at the same time calling the police because others are also doing it.

When you talk about riding across the roadway and if you get stopped you just say yeah yeah, never do it again, yeah, yeah, whatever that shows your true colors, attitude - and professionalism.

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There is a very big difference between Arrogance and Confidence.

Karma....enough said.

X

Whats up with u xfactor. U blew by my post, whats the deal, If there is a prob let me know instead of being left in the clouds.

I agree with the ten dollar thing or just a letter and then get rid of the bad apples no one needs to lose another riding area due to a few bad apples wait till they go to there trucks or cars and get there tag numbers.Or have one of the sheriff buddies close buy and have them take care of the violators no reason for one person to ruin the fun for ever one riding spots are hard to come by as it is have a clean up day and the ones that show up and help clean get to ride hassle free and the jerks that trash the place get tickets and booted from the place make some rules and have a few people enforce the rules even if it requries a big stick. :gh :gh :F :gr

Paying $10 each is a great idea, however if that was ever to happen then the land owners have to assume liability and they have to get insurance, lawyers, fence the area and add gates to areas and ect. This has been considered many, many times and they have no interest due to time and cost. They have showed a interest in selling it for development once the subdivision east of it starts or if any other land in the area sells for development. The Miami Track hunting lease on the west side of 5A I'm sure will stay intact.

I rode there today with a couple of cool people I met on this site.It sure is wet, needed an outboard motor to keep up but next time I will have some better tires and some ground clearance.I didn't see any cops writing any  tickets that I know of doesn't seem to be as bad as some say it is.There is more water than mud but didn't ride for as long as I wanted maybe next time. Its a long ride for me to go down there but worth the trip if its still open next time I will find a shorter route maybe, if there is one so if any one wouldn't mind sharing a secret spot to ride legally up around the Ocala or Gainesville area send me a pm, I promise it will stay a secret just need some where to ride gas prices are killing me and I can't drive to far and ride as much as I would like to.  :ThumbsUp.gif :ThumbsUp.gif :H

That hurt to read.

what ever thats suppose to mean :dunno.gif

It troubles me that you don't understand it.

Understand what ?  :dunno.gif

Why it hurts to read your post.

Then don't read it go read some one elses post and i don't see what your problem is with that post you must be the only one that it hurts  ???

Your school teacher needs to be fired.That is the longest run-on sentence I have ever had the displeasure of trying to read.Even at that it never ended so it technically isn't even a sentence.

It is only going to make getting your point across all the harder when people focus on how poorly punctuated a post is.

WHATEVER  rolback1 rolback1 rolback1 rolback1 rolback1 rolback1

I called my teach and she corected it for me.

What is my grade now post teacher? :bow.gif :bow.gif

Smartazz kid just like I expected. ;)

 :'( Well at least I'm improving. :Clap.gif

Thats all? ;D

WOW! ???

This is a forum talking about 5a, why are u 2 posting garbage? U 2 should delete those pointless post's.

Honestly now.....who F*cking cares.  People are trying to talk about 5A in this forum and you make a demeaning post for absolutely no reason.  Yes it was an extremely long run-on sentence.  Yes the post used horrible grammar and punctuation.  The point is this isn't English class and some people are in a hurry so they aren't worried about that stuff when they post on here.  And then again, maybe everyone just isn't as intelligent as you. 

I was enjoying reading all the posts concerning 5A and then I have to read a group of posts that have nothing to do with the topic just because you had too much time on your hands and wanted to be a thingy.  Congratulations, you succeeded......LOL

THANK YOU MUD MAN VERY WELL PUT :Clap.gif :Clap.gif :Clap.gif!And 5a is a very cool place to ride and is wet.

I was shocked myself when i came back and the post natzi had struck.Thanks mud man im glad someone understood. :T :-*  LOL            ''And is cool and wet place Thanks Ztgenius for the ride" ;D

And that is what I was doing talking about 5a and the ride I had ther until that guy got on here. :gh

When are yall riding at 5A again ?  I would like to go if its wet out there.  ZTgenesis knows how much my bike loves the water   :)

Hahahaha.....I definitely didn't say "thingy"

My original post was a simple interjection.The kid decided to carry on with it just like the rest of you.I never suggested it be perfect just resemble a paragraph to convey his thought.All it takes is a couple more seconds to think about it.The colorful language just shows your age.

On to the point:
Keep chattin up 5A online here and see how it goes.Popularity kills riding spots that don't technically belong to us.Now we got two going on the front page.Real smart. ;)

Don't try to act like you were doing him and everyone else a favor or something.  You were being a "thingy".  Feel free to "interject" any word you choose there.  The "kid" didn't carry on.  He just wanted to know what you were referring to.  And then you responded with yet another demeaning comment.  So if anyone decided to "carry on" it was you.  And as for me, I could care less what you call it.  I was just calling you out for being an @$$....bottom line. 

And I'm sorry to burst your bubble pops but age doesn't correlate directly to maturity.  So when you refer to someone being a "kid" and then suggest that they are immature because of their age it just shows me not how old you are.....but how old you act. 

And you can say what you want about language but I prefer to use those words to make my point.  If that offends you too bad.  Didn't your mom always teach you......STICKS & STONES......sorry if I hurt your feelings.  The point of this all is that you didn't even need to open your mouth about his post.  He was trying to discuss 5A with some people and you had to be one of these idiots on here who likes to stir the pot just because you have nothing better to do with your time. 

And for my final Jerry Springer thought........whether 5A (or any place for that matter) is talked about on here or not, people are always going to find out about riding places.  That's like trying to control the weather.  Don't be so ignorant.  Enjoy 5A before it gets shut down.   Because we all know its not a matter of if these places get shut down, but when. 

Mud man, If i can ever get ahold of u we could set up a ride. But u seem to never answer the phone or the pm's. >:(

You're funny.I said my point and moved on.You're farther off topic than anyone here.Ironic no?

When I say kid I mean teenager.He is just that.Did I call you a kid?.Not so much huh?You're 26 or so.

You have never met me but if you go to 5A you will eventually.Please don't make assumptions like your last post.Thx.When you figure out what I did here you're gonna laugh.You're very much off base.

I just call it like I see it, that's all.  You don't have to like it.  You don't have to like me.  I'm not saying you're a bad guy and you are right I have never met you.  But I just didn't like how you called him out about grammar and punctuation, and then continued to post in a demeaning manner.  Just MHO.  Like I said you don't have to like it or agree with it.  And as far as laughing.......only at you. 

Go have a beer now !

Well then we are both pops then.. ;)

Nuh uh not you.... <nanaparty>

Oh! :'(

*HStern* "Hey Now" *HStern*

I'm "pops" already damn.  I was trying to hold off as long as possible lol