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I am interested in buying either a polaris 450mxr or a ltr 450. which one is better?

ltr > outlaw

ltr by far. im a honda guy though.

ok thanks guys. im thinking im goin to get the ltr. im just starting to race so i just want a fast and semi dependable bike

go with a honda or yamaha

Woods racing= Honda, Yamaha, KTM
MX racing= LTR

You didn't crash w/o a helmet did you? Polaris and race in the same sentence is like saying government/health care! Going out to the track and finding 0 outlaws will give you an idea. Yes I ride an LTR for a reason, just like half of the adult class champions in the SSQSA and the Nationals. In stock trim, they don't do anything great but do everything better than the others. Take the extra money that you save on suspension and put it in a combo of motor/steering stabilizer/shock re-valves and your quad can't be beat.
John #68

well since your so well educated, outlaws, preds come with fox suspensions.

so with the extra roughly 2,000 you save with the all-mighty polaris you could go alot further. but then again he wants to do mx and ive always thought of polaris as xc but you never know. and the reason everybody in the "champions" class has one is everybody goes by monkey see monkey do. step outside the bun.lol

Like you said, he wants to race MX. "Monkey see monkey do"? Sure, I guess but if a Polaris could win MX races we would see them out there. They can't, so you won't. If you go to my friend's dealership where he sells Suzuki, Polaris, Arctic Cat and Yamaha, just to name a few, go behind the service department and see what's there. That'll prove the point way better than I ever could.
John #68

are you trying to say that there are alot of polaris's getting serviced?

Well, "serviced" is like oil changes and stuff right? No, like just don't run, I mean getting fixed 'cause they're broken.
John #68

your right serviced is oil etc. well the reason there broken is because they get rode. there not for mx's pretty boys who like there stuff all nice and clean. :-*

and before you get all excited over this i am joking with you.

Yes, I am a pretty boy ;)! Thank you! I suppose that Polaris of yours has never given you 1 problem like my Suzuki right? BTW, You can't ride a broken quad, so some don't get rode. Mine has never failed to finish a race, never not started and never quit. Neither has any of my other Suzukis or Yamahas or Hondas for that matter. All I can say for the others is look behind the dealerships of any multi-line dealer and that will tell the story.
John #68

lmao, every brand has there problems yamaha, suzuki, polaris and all the others. my does break sometimes but it is a xc race bike so it gets alot more abuse than mx quads.

hope i didnt heat you up too much i was j/k'in with you.

jake fort #8

Not heated Jake, Just trying to figure out how XC quads see more abuse than MX. Is it the mud? We race in mud about 25% of the races. Trees and rocks? Well, a biffed double and flat landings might be just a bit harder. Tranny abuse? Try being in the air 10% of a moto, everytime you hit it puts stress on the tranny. Doesn't really matter. Can Am has recruited probably the most talented set of racers on one team for the nationals this year, reliability will determine whether they see a championship or not. Polaris has gone all in in a different direction, they bought Wes Miller and the whole H-Bomb crew. "Monkey see monkey do"? Not in that arena. The Can Ams won't stay together and there are still people running from dealer to dealer giving any one of them a deposit that will take one. That's the diff in MX.
John W. Holliday #68

Sorry but I'll take anything over a polaris anyday. I've had such crappy experience with them.
At my girlfriend's house, their Uncle leaves his Polaris magnum there, and that crap has so many problems. The tires lock up for no reason, the engine starts when it wants to, it has NO power. I'm not sure how Polaris sport bikes are, but man that quad was a disgrace, and I believe they had it "serviced" for the new year.

dude, whole nother story it was probably sitting in his yard for centuries not taken care of. i know i am one of the few who has a predator on this site if not then the only predator on this site. so its an argument im not gonna win.

ok good, during a 2 hour race you usually hit several trees rocks mud, not to mention running a bike at race speeds for two hours going through all the gears not to mention blind corners with lots of rear endings(lol). im not looking down on mx we race and thats all that really matters, and the xc races uasally have mx sections in them and i can tell you you guys arent close in the abuse section.

jake

I've seen your quad in your videos.. It looks like you never ride it.. My Yamaha went 2 seasons of racing without any mechanical problems. Anything that happened to it was rider prep error or lack of. My quad isnt the prettiest thing out, but it could still pony up some more races.

Put a whole season on that Polaris and keep a tab on how much it cost you in repairs and parts. Won't be long before you come to the dark side (i.e yamaha/honda/KTM/suzuki)

The LT-R is a good quad either way. Just build it to how you want it.

just because i keep my quad in a shop and my plastics arent faded out doesnt mean i dont ride it come see me at the races and i will give you a tour, racing is the only thing i do i like to keep my stuff clean after you put alot of G's in a bike thats wat your suppose to do!

You know, racing a Polaris and trying to defending that decision is a lot like being married to a Schitzo. Probably won't even realize until she pull a Lorena Bobbit on you and throws your junk out in the middle of the woods :o

haha this is a funny post..
But i think im leanin towards the ltr...because i have a stroked motor on a predator right now and it cant run 10 hours straight for anything. and i see alot of stroked ltrs lastin a full season so they seem more dependable.
What classes do you guys run?

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Yawn as the IQ drops........

haha this is a funny post..
But i think im leanin towards the ltr...because i have a stroked motor on a predator right now and it cant run 10 hours straight for anything. and i see alot of stroked ltrs lastin a full season so they seem more dependable.
What classes do you guys run?

It is funny ;D! Now I know how you came up w/ the other quad, you already had it! I run SSQSA Adult Stock class, MX only. My LTR is almost done w/ it's second season and I'm not planning on touching it for the 3rd. The Hondas and Yamahas are competitive too, just takes more money to get into one for MX specifically but the used market is full of all of them, already moded out. A lot of Pro's are getting rid of their quads and they can be had for about the same as a brand new quad but w/ 10-15k in mods.

ya i saw the pros bikes but this is my first year racing and im racing quad C so i dont need a pro bike to win quad C lol
I was just thinkin a new bike because i know where it came from and so i can put it on a loan.

Quad C where? If it's the SSQSA, you will need a moded out quad to win class c. Quad C in the SSQSA is like A or B in other series.

ya i dont run ssqsa. Im not that good at riding lol. i just started riding so ill work on it.
a couple of my friends run ssqsa and they said the C riders are decent but not great.

Well they say that but just remember, it's all perspective. C= novice. Back years ago that's what that meant. Now, C= C. Novice means you can't make the doubles, can't clear the tables, can't double out rhythm sections, can't rail the corners and can't fully control your quad in mid flight. Most C riders in the SSQSA can do all of these things and rules have been implemented to prevent sandbagging. That doesn't mean that anyone is sandbagging but the A and B classes are so competitive that the C guys are have a hard time moving up. In other words, if you took anyone from the upper end of their respective class in the SSQSA and put them in a national race they would be competitive and many do race the nationals and are competitive.

Im In first overall so far In Quad C  SSQSA, Im running a stock LTR450. Just Nerfs,Bars,and a Pipe. What ever bike your more comfortable on get. Both Bikes are NASTY!!! good luck!

Josh #112

dam you must be a goood rider. But im honestly not expecting to win anything my first season..but top 5 would be nice lol

Sorry but nope, It was ridden on a regular basis. Its kind of like a manufacture stereo-type. Polaris's are known to not be so reliable, just like suzuki's have their weak frames, honda has w/e defect they have, and Yamaha has w/e defect they have.

actually i heard suzukis have weak transmissions but thats all ive heard.

o and to the predator guy..i was jk it lasts more than 10 hours . i just felt like exxagerating lol  ;D

I doubt it. I recently had to replace my third gear, but look what mine goes through ;D
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y235/klutchbuster350/seminolesummer2065.jpg)

thats what mine looks like clean thats just dusty.

all moded engines seem to go to hell faster than a stock engine so that doesnt count lol

well mines never done that ive went threw a tranny and a master brake cylinder almost to my second one but other than that just little stuff, but when mine does break down its never in the middle of a race/ride it seems like the yams like to quit at half time.

i do like those ltr's im a fan of suzuki and honda sometimes yamaha, i was thinking about getting a yam 450 for next season.

thats some old news

definitely not gunna get a yfz unless its already fixed up. you have to put too much money in those things to be competitive.
honestly,predator guy, if you have a stock predator engine you probably dont win lol. mine pulls like none other but its a 05 so i want a new one lol

dude first of all if you had any f ing clue about xc racing you barely use top end you dont need to mod your engine. if anything all you need is to go 1 down on the front sprocket to get some more bottom accel..

jake

ya for xc stock is alright but im talkin bout for mx..so chill out sparky

im not unchill im just making stuff clear.

well im on your side..because i think my dad wants to go buy the new 450 mxr tommorow so ill be on your side still lol

ok im glad to here that, i really just talk smack for fun about other brands they all do the job. i just sat on the 450 mxr 2 days ago for the second or third time. its a cool bike and its got chrome douglass wheels which also come included on all outlaws and predators.

jake

but the wheels are not chrome on the other ones just aluminum, but there the top notch of douglass wheels, i think there called high impact or something.

TBH I've heard good things about the Outlaw and would love to see what they can do. Though, being Klutchbuster's Gf's older brother... My uncles Polaris sucks... its horrible the thing never starts, everything locks up, and has no power what so ever. But i have heard good things on their sport bikes... though i would never buy one. I am a Honda man... but if given the choice to buy an LTR or an Outlaw MXR, i'd get the LTR, after using a Suzuki Z400 on the track (thankyou Jesse) i'd love to see how the LTR would feel.

idk everybody has their opinions