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 HARDROCK HAS TWO TRACKS OPEN FOR ATV ON SATURDAYS

When did they decide to let us back in?

Is that including the main MX track?

 I VE BEEN TAKING MY SON THERE  FOR ABOUT A MONTH AND HE GETS DIRT BIKE LESSONS  AND THAY SAID I COULD RIDE MY ATV THERE ON SATURDAYS ON TWO OF THE TRACKS NOT ON THE MAIN MX  TRACK THERE A LITTLE SMALLER BUT LOTS OF FUN THEY HAVE NOT HAD A BIG ATV TURN OUT SO I SAID I WOULD PASS THE WORD

Are they suprised they haven't had a good quad turnout?  Last I heard quads were banned from the whole place because of "insurance reasons".  I should get my money back for the membership I paid for a month before quads were kicked out.  The FTR MX series doesn't even go there this season and I heard that last season, quads weren't allowed to practice the day before the race... just race Sunday on a track that some people have possibly never ridden before...? That sounds risky to me.  I'd love to be able to ride the main track again and I'd go all the time if quads were allowed, although they probably wouldn't be happy to see me since I was one of the riders taken out in an ambulance.  Fun track though - tell them they should open it back up for quads.  Then their turnout will get better.

I WILL TALK TO THEM  ON SUNDAY MY SON AND I WILL BE THERE FOR   MORE LESSONS  I WILL LET YOU KNOW

WE USE TO RIDE THE TRACK ALL THE TIME ALSO BEFORE THESE LAST OWNERS TOOK IT OVER.THEN THEY SAID WE COULD ONLY RIDE THE SAND TRACK OUT BACK.FIRST THEY SAID QUADS WERE TO SHORT AND THE 2-WHEELER COULDN'T SEE US OVER THE JUMPS.THEN THEY SAID IT WAS TO HARD TO FIX THE TRACK AFTER WE RODE,AND THEN THE INSURANCE THING...I THINK IT JUST BECAUSE OF 2-WHEELERS CRY ABOUT US QUADS.I GUESS THE 2-WHEELERS GET UPSET WHEN THEY SEE A QUAD THATS FASTER THEN THEM.I REMEMBER WHEN WE WASN'T WELCOME AT DADE CITY,BUT LOOK AT US NOW............

Yes FTR will be there this season  but only once they have added on some new track for there season  the opening race is the 1st weekend of sept.  at Thundercross  It will be the last race at Thundercross before they  build house on the land


                  Bobby

http://www.floridatrailriders.org/ftr_events.htm  

this is the Schedule for the FTR 2004 -2005  season   M/X and H/S

     Hmm.  I wonder how I missed that...  (Was it a TBA on the initial schedule or something?)  So the Hardrock FTR race will be on a completely different track from the main one or did they add to it?
    Any word on quads getting back on the main track for practice days or nights?  I guess Wednesday nights would be asking too much... those were the good ol' days though... all three of them...

All quads will run the main track   water tower and all ::) :o


      Bobby

I say we protest if they don't let us practice main track a day before the race.This is why I didn't race there last year........

     Couldn't the people running FTR do something about it if riders are going to be treated with bias and endangered?  I seriously find it unsafe to blindly race on a track that hasn't been practiced and I probably won't do it.  If a protest is made by not showing up nobody is going to care (or they'll be glad).  There aren't near enough quads to create an impact on the money that Hardrock makes and half the quads are going to show up anyways to benefit in points.  If I was in a close points race, I'd go.  So the only way Hardrock would pay any attention is if FTR said, "Hey, we aren't putting you on our schedule again next season since you're creating an unsafe situation for some of our members."  I doubt that Hardrock wouldn't care about that since the track can't possibly make much money during the year on practice days.  The tracks only care about profit.  Other than that, what kind of protest are you considering?  I can't say that I like to "stir things up" and drawing any negative attention to quads only makes people hate us more...

Hardrock SUX!   I called to talk to them about practice. They said the quads could use a track they have out back. I asked if the track was groomed ever. Of course he told me "no. We don't groom THAT track, but it not all whooped out either" It's so nice of them to let us pay them to ride on an old worn out track.

I have a house for rent. It's falling apart and it has dog turds on the floor.(I don't pick them up) The price is negoitable, If you'll give me some money, you too can come stay there. Come one come all. Tell your friends

I  DONT KNOW WHO YOU TALKED TO I HAVE RIDING THERE THE LAST TWO WEEKS AND IT HAS BEEN GROOMED  MAY BE A LITTLE SUPORT AND A BIGGER TURN OUT  WILL GET US  ON ALL THE  TRACKS

I Agree with KEV96 and TWOFIDDY on what they "TYPED" ! ...
Quad's got all this "RAP" about ...." OH THEY CAN KILL YOU" !
or.."LET'S GO MUDD'N  ( TONITE ) " ...or.... "THEY TEAR UP
THE BEUTIFULL LAND" ... or.... "YOUR NOT 16 , IT'S UNSAFE" !
Track Owner's Don't Like ATV'S !!  ........BECAUSE...........
the Dirt Bike's don't Like Them !    ......... PERIOD ! ........
they Havn't got along since they came out in the 70's ! ....
OH THEY MAKE RUT'S ...THERE IN THE WAY ...COME ON !
at least they don't fall over when you get off ! ..... ;D
CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG ? ..and let the QUAD'S RIDE?
AND.............( I APPOVE THIS MESSAGE )   !    8)
the last sentence was cool huh ? ........RIDE ON !!!!!!!!!

Yamahonda you got my Vote For PREZ. ;D

Oh yeah We got'em 8)

 ;D............  i bet the TWO WHEELER'S won't like me for Prez !   ; 8)

  WHAT DO YOU CARE YOU ONLY HAVE THREE   MR PREZ

If i recall ? ....i was on TWO Wheels in front of YOU !...  ;D
HHHOOOOLLLLLLAAAARRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!

in your dreams  you have never been in front me  and never will with that slow a$$ tri z ;D ;D ;D

After you put me out .... I'll be Your Grade Beoch.... ;D

I am a partial fan of Hardrock. But I do undertand there reasoning. Do the quads tare up the track?? Yes I have seen it first hand with bikes riding at Hardrock and quads riding at Hardrock.

So whats this mean to a track??
More maintance
Only 3-8 quads show up anyways when they have over 30+ bikes.(who would you cater to?)

I see complaints about "all they wanna do is make money" Well your right thats how some of these people make a living by providing a track for us to ride on. If you think these tracks are cheap think again. Insurance alone will kill you.

Trust me I am a quad rider and I have ridden Hardrock on just about everything. And wish they would allow quad there full time. They are allowing us to use 2 tracks. And I bet if we get enough of a turn out then they will allow us to maybe use the main track on a limited basis.

Lets not slam a place that allows us a riding opportunity, lets work together(including the track) and see if we can work out something that we can all be happy about.

Doug Parker

COOL ........
Doug has a good Point !!!  

I understand that there is a low quad turn out.But the track also needs to understand that most of us live 100 miles plus away and I'm not going to drive that far to ride on a sand track. If thats the case I would go to a sand track by my house.My point is the main track makes Hardrock"Hardrock".And when you get 6 miles to a gallon pulling a trailer its just not worth it.I remember back in the day when 7-8 of us would load up and ride there.Maybe someone should see if they would let us ride one weekend a month?

I can remember 2 years ago before all the problems gettiing alot of quads, especialy FTR events 12-15 in both B and C classes KEV knows. But that was before they stopped practice on saturday, I have not been there because of that. The track is one of my favorites in Fl., but it is dangerous if you don't practice before a race. I don't think that quads mess up a track worse than dirt bikes, especially hard pack what is  there to fix most of hardrock is like concrete.

hey wheres hard rock at also is an mx track

     I wasn't complaining about tracks being motivated by money, Doug.  That's completely understandable.  What I was saying is that if quads protest Hardrock's rules by not showing up for the FTR race it won't make an impact whatsoever because, as you pointed out, quads are not the majority.  The track should let quads practice Saturday before the FTR race for safety reasons.  If they don't, as I suggested before, FTR should not put Hardrock on their next schedule because some of it's members are being put in an unsafe position because of that track's rules.  At LEAST quads should be allowed to practice on that particular Saturday.  Maybe this topic should be brought up in an FTR forum instead, or brought to "FTR leaders'" attention.  If Hardrock (for whatever reason) does not want to have to "fix the track after quads" on a regular basis then keep quads out the rest of the year.  They really should be allowed to ride the track before the race though.

I totally agree that they should be allowed to practice there before the race. And I am not talking about 1 day, I would recommend the weekend before as well. I have tried riding MX on a quad and I tell you what that is some of scariest moments I have ever had. Its one thing jumping with 2. But flying with 4 is a totally different ball games.

I agree this needs to be brought to the FTR's MX chairman attention. Jim Edgar is one of the best guys FTR could have gotten to represent them in the MX. He lives just around the corner from me and his entire family are great people.

Since I am not a MX guy I would recommend someone that races the MX bring it to his attention and I gurantee he will do everything that he can to get it for you.

Doug

Ftr has a new Quad Rider Rep in Motocross that rep is Dave Hall.  so give him a call if ya'l have any ?'s  about the new season  up and coming.Thundercross is in 2 weeks  and will be the 1st MX  for FTR  and also the last FTR MX there  by next season there will be homes on that land  >:(

  I GO THERE EVERY WEEK WITH MY SON AND TALK TO THEM THEY WANT THE QUADS BACK LETS  GIVE THEM A TURN OUT  AND GIVE THEM A CHANCE

You know if they would change the track around maybe once a month or every other month  I would go back there but the "Hard" in Hardrock  is rough on the old tires and bike    I know that dade city does it ever week  and yes theres not alot of jumps out there but its a fun track and other tracks change there tracks  around a couple of times a years

when Glenn bought Hardrock  it's when he said "no more Quads",  only time i've seen them there is for FTR MX  if you go there on a Race night there only about 20-30 riders  go to other track around Florida you will find a couple of hundred of riders on points night

so if all want to start going back there  i would all start calling him and telling him what ya'll want  

WELL GUYS WE RODE HARD ROCK TODAY WE RODE ALL THE TRACKS EVEN THE MAIN MX BUT THERES A NEW ONE THERE THE GP TRACK ITS OPEN TO THE 4 WHEELERS IT BLOWS THE MX TRACK AWAY ITS LONG AND ITS GOT IT ALL  ITS GOT LOTS OF UP HILLS A DOWN HILLS  SOME STREAT SOME CURVED THE HILLS THAT IS LOTS OF JUMPS  SOME OF THE HILLS ARE STEEP WITH STEP UPS  IF YOU THINK THE MX TRACK IS FUN  DONT TALK ANY SH@T IN TILL YOU RIDE THE GP TRACK

I've never seen this forum ,but im glad Ifound it .Now i'll try to make some explanations about some of the this I've read.I hope spelling and punctuation don't count.My decision to stop quads at hardrock was because of an incident with a handful quad riders that camped the nite before a race. what they did I don't think I'll share, but at the time they ruined it for everyone. I should have give out there names it would have been easier for me and the quad riders.Then after that my insurance became a very big issue,and still is.my first year owning the track my insurance was 8k a year by the third year it jump to 50k.We were almost to the point of no 2 wheelers either.It is still the biggest cost(next to mortgage)and the biggest pain in the backend in having a track.Also I didn' t end it when I bought the track but a year and a half after,I even tryed to have a seperate quad series on the sand track but the biggest turnout was 16 and yes the track was groomed every time.
To groom the main track is qiute a trick I have to pull dirt from no where to cover a rock base track ,I had spent a lot of time getting ready for the ftr,I didnt even want bikes on it the day before.I elected not to have quads on sat. to try to keep some dirt for sun. But I would never expect anyone ever to race blind on the track.Quads did get practice on the day of the race.All the races in the north no one ever pratices the day before and the tracks all perfect for race day.But it is different here and thats fine buy me,jI was just trying to keep conditions better for race day.It's also tuff to  change the track on a reg. basis because of its base I have added 4 four lanes to the back off the main track next to the rythem section,any more than that I would have to blast. Thats why I added two new tracks.It is  why when the man called about grooming the Quad track I told him no because it's brand new.the top has a rock base and the bottom has dirt and sand ,which I do groom when needed.It's not an old wornout track. The person who bought a membership should have told me I certainly would have returned your money.Also on my sat.nite series I don't get much of a turn out,but I also don't neighbor a big city ,but we do fun any way.Also I won't play the political games with Dias and Kern to get the big races.Well I hope this cleared up a few things.Enough about the past now about the present. Yes quads are invited to Hardrock and can ride any of the tracks the wish.I'm guessing if you ride the GP track you will care less about the main track.I have also added the quad and mini quad classes to the sat.nite series.But quads are welcome to ride any track they wish any time we are open.You won't be able to ride the HS trail, most are too tight. Hope to see you there .
thank you
Glenn Knox                                                                
Hardrock Cycle Park

Glenn,
You are a stand up guy. Thank you for getting on here and clearing things up. I feel you stated the facts, and anyone's gotta respect you for that, whether they agree with you or not. Hardrock is such a nice place for bikes and quads alike. I was heartbroken the day I showed up,   only to be told I was not welcome because I had 2 extra wheels. I'm glad that is over now, and I can go back to enjoying a 5 star MX track within an hour of my home.

                         Corey

Glenn,

Thanks for finding us and allowing us such an opportunity to come rider you facility.

Doug

Where is this track at?

www.hardrockmx.com

You can find a map on there site

Its in Ocala, FL

Enough talk About quads no quads.... Now that they allow them back Its time to set up a group ride and show them that we can have a good turn out. Anyone else want to?

How about 10-10-04.We have about 8 to 10 quads in are group.

SOUNDS GREAT ILL WILL BE THERE WITH MY SON ;D

Start a thred in group rides and lets go. ;D

hey liv2ride how far is this from us?and whats it like?

45 min. for me and 1 1/2 hour for you.

The big track is to advanced for my riding skills but the small track in the back is perfect for me. It's alot of fun. I'll be planning a trip there real soon.

whast the novice track like?

Alright, I hope glenn_g reads this post.

   My wife and myself can probably speak on the behalf of A LOT of quad riders.

   We ran the summer series at Dade City, and now that its over, it will be the last time we go down there. I don't agree with any track owner that puts money in front of the safety of its participants. Dade city has at least 40 or better quads down there every sat night and the track is a mess. If there was a quad friendly track out there like Hardrock or Bithlo that would be willing to put classes out there for the quads, I for one would do what I could as an ATV Business owner to get the attendance up.

Dade city is the only track that I know of in driving distance to me that has a WOMENS quad class. My wife is new to racing, and is very good for the time she has been on a quad, but would do a lot better learning and bettering her riding ability if there was a good track out there with a class that she could compete with other women near her riding ability

Glenn, if you would like, give me a call, I have a very large group of friends and customers that are talking about coming up to your track to try it out. We hope that it could be a new place to call our home track, and a place to race every saturday night.

thanks, Mike Walker
All Terrain Performance Inc.
321-439-5367

Nightbreed, FTR has women class are ya'll running it?

Yea, when my wifes arm is back to 100%, we are going to give it a shot.

I am going to try and make this first hairscramble next sat.

Glenn, quads CAN make it through the harescramble track, its just really, hard, and takes some skill. One reccomendation would be to put up some sort of baracades on the GP track right where you enter, because if somebody hauls up the first hill, and doesnt know where to go, they could fly off a cliff!! I might stop by and ride Friday night. I ride a white Yamaha YFZ450, and will be with some friends.

If the riders come up the right hill to get on the track they shouldn't be any where near the cliff.There are arrows on the tree at the top of the hill, for track direction.I did have that hill(my driveway where I'm putting my house)bannered off but everyone that can't do the hill to get on the track, go around to the smaller hill and go right through it.But to be safe and not sorry,I'll try somthing at the top of the hill.Yes your right,I have been told quads can do the black trail. I havn't Opened the rest of the red trail yet,its still under water.I'm not sure quads can do that trail,but would be interested to find out.thanks for the imput I'll tryto fix it.

Glenn
hardrock

Yeah, Glenn, I was there the other day with my two brothers, we had the black Ford F550 truck and the big horsetrailer. My brothers quads are both widened for motorcross, and yes, there are really tight spots, but we always managed to get through, there was just one spot in the trails where i dont think most people can get through, it goes downhill through some trees with very tight turns, and if you lock up the back breaks, you rearend can slide around and fall down the side of the trail, which would be a pretty big drop, its fun, but if you want next time im there ill put up a caution ahead sign so that way everybody is warned. I will be glad to help you out with anything you need at the track.

 I think I know where you are talking about,Is it by the road ?
If so there is a few differant lines down ,I had it caution taped off but someone might of ran threw it.I'll check,If thats not the spot, you are more than welcome to tape it off ,or show me where it is,but I certainly won't turn down help.

Thanks,  Glenn

Nightbreed,

Sorry I didn,t see your comment. Right now we are not having our Sat.nite races. But when we do ,we try to offer a class for who ever shows up ,hopfully more than one. Unfortunately we don't get any where near the turnout dade gets.We are lucky to get 50 riders total.Thats why we have put our sat. nite series on hold.

Glenn

Heck if I could get that many quads I could almost have a quads and pee wee only.(I have alot of pw's that want to race)

Glenn

Glenn, I think if you are going to want a bigger turnout, some of the jumps must be made a little more suitable for quads, I love the turns you have made already, but some of the jumps are uneven, or a little too narrow or close together to hit. I think all the jumps that are there on the night track are for the most part fine, but during the day track, where you have the 3 doubles one after another, it gets really hard to hit, because the first one launches crooked, then the 2nd one is a little worse, then you really have to hold on for the 3rd one to even make it, I think you know what I'm saying, it's an easy fix though, and it could just be that there was a little mud down there that was making me fishtail a little bit before the first double... I'll try it again next time I'm at hardrock.

Glenn,
Just wanted to let you know I think Hardrock is the place to ride for a quad. There is motocross, flattrack(vintage), GP(best track ever), and sand track. I'm the red 400ex quad with numbers 50AA, I race the FTR harscramble series. Man I have been getting the word out about the GP track and the harescramble track, it rocks. I have ridden everywhere in Florida and this place I feel is one of the top 3. I'm not big on motocross but you have a little bit of everything. The GP is even better with the new changes, those fast down hills are wicked. Just want to let you know your doing a great job. And I will keep on bring the crowds with me everytime I come. Joey Stankus 50AA