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I'd just like to put this out there...just so everyone is aware.

It seems like one of the last "great" legal riding spots we have right now around the tri county area. With that said, PLEASE respect it.

When I was out there not only did I see people riding around doing wheelies on the pavement, but I also saw countless speeders doing doughnuts and such around THE TRUCKS!!! If no one knows, the speed limit is 30, clearly posted.  We had several guys try to park about 1ft away from our truck/trailer...pretty rude if you ask me.  There was plenty of parking.

Please just respect this place so it doesn't get shut down to ATV's.  I've heard talk of it, then confirmed that it was NOT going to be shut down the 1st by FWC last time I was out there.  But I was also told that if this behavior continues, that it's a possibility. 

Just remember, save yourself some time, bring the right airboat flag, please be respectful of other riders.  I don't think it's necessary to ride wheelies on the pavement, and it's certainly not necessary to create and stir up dust around the trucks, it's just plain rude.  I really think it's fine to do your little speed racing down the levee...way down the levee.  Just remember, it is a LEGAL riding spot, that means FWC is around and could be around the corner at any minute, I don't think you want a reckless driving ticket, or get kicked out and pack your stuff up for the day, that would sure ruin a ride. 

I'm not picking out any certain groups of people either, b/c some of these guys were on 4x4's and some on 2wd's, I've owned both, so I know the type of riding.  I just saw an INFLUX of people coming out there after 8th street closed indefinetly...

I love the place, and I was appauled at how much trash was left from saturday night.  I think we definetly need a cleanup ride or just a few trash cans might not hurt...I mean I can't believe how people litter in the everglades...it's mostly young kids too. 

Anyways, I just wanted to express my feelings about the situation, I love the place, it's my main riding spot and I want to keep it that way for a LONG time. 

BTW, if anyone is going to say that it's closing the 1st, don't post please, I don't want to hear it...unless it's an "active rule change"...then you can post it for me ;)

deff agree, and i wasnt able to make it out there this weekend

You know, I have been riding that place for 31 years now, and I have heard more stories about this and that than I can count through them, but from what i understand they do want to fill in the canals and install pipes for the giant everglades plumbing job. When they kick us out, it won't be for disrespectful riders, they have been there forever along with bastards dumping construction debris out there. It will be for big sugar.

I agree it sucks people are dumping trash out there, but that has also been going on forever also. I just pick it up and move on.

People doing doughnuts in the parking lot is a relatively new thing, and since my truck is junk I don't care, but my buddies with nice rigs have been known to go teach them some manners.

It sure does suck when people disrespect the few riding areas we have.

Really isn't any different than all the beer cans I pick up off the reef on every dive I make. In general, people don't care unless it can be seen from their yard, at which point they cry to code enforcement.

Same here. You wouldn't believe all of the trash that I run into while kayaking.

Everyone knows exactly what type of people are causing it. It's going to be closed. Just a matter of time. The few always ruin it for the many.

Yeah, land developers and sugar farmers. No one gives a damn about reckless atv'rs or they would close Krome Ave.


That said, is a ride to the buggy bridge possible right now?

You'll need a good atv with good mud tires, but if you have the right bike, ya.

We made it 1/2 way NO problem, but then my buddies belt light came one...we made the decision to turn around.

We were coming up to the 3rd camp on the main airboat trail when that happened.  We are both on 29.5's with snorkels if it matters, but we were mostly in 2wd. 

We are definetly planning the ride for this upcoming weekend, or the weekend after. It's feasible for us.  We just need to bring more gas, I am putting 2 2.5 gals on top of my cooler.

It was really dry mud up until the first 2 story camp, then it became my favorite...the water!!! We ran a beautiful airboat trail all the way...

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I think riding out about 6 miles is prime right now, I love it.

Nice pics bro. Thanks for sharing!

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http://myfwc.com/commission/2007/Dec07/Documents/Prop2008-09DraftRulesforWildlifeandFreshwaterFishPPTAgendaItem4B1and2.pdf

WOW, I thought it would still be under water, conditions look perfect!!!!!! I hear you on the gas, and have run the exact path you did a hundred times. Awesome pics and vids BTW. I am ready to hit it anytime, less than a 1/2 ride for me.

So reading the proposal and who made comments, I suspect ATV'rs were not in favor of the change.
I seem to remember a time when you needed a hunting license to ride out there. Where can we find the minutes of the meetings?

Awesome! It's perfect conditions right now, so I think we are heading out saturday, I'll let you know for sure by PM.  It's an awesome ride! I was on the gas just a tad ;) I was trying to do a steady pace.  We were also in 2wd some of the time, in the vid I was in 4x4 lock though, for some reason my bars kept on jerking around if I wasn't in lock b/c of the marsh/rocks catching my tires. 

Those rule changes are pretty strict...seems like it will get outvoted 3/2 if you look at the stats...I don't know maybe I'm misinterpreting it.

It was pretty good out there. jrpro, I ran into you guys out there Sat, out near the 2 story camp. 6 bikes, me on the 2WD Rancher, and my grandson was on his 2WD stock Recon. Well, stock with a snorkel we didn't need Sat.

I can see by the pictures it is prime. I have been wanting to run it from the alley entrance, over the buggy bridge and to the parking lot for like a year now. I sure do miss the HL's, one of my favorite places for sure. If it is at all possible, I will make it out Saturday.

Hey pro, that was us(with my Dad Budman) you ran across out there on Saturday. Budman's gang is exactly the kind of riding partner you need out there in that stuff!

this place is not meant to be a great riding spot.it is a WMA (wildlife management area)that allows atvs to hunt.this rule has greatly bin twisted.now everyone thinks thay have the right to go out there and ride all over the place hunting season or not. i like how some people say ride at night during hunting saeson.its fine it wont mess up hunting in the daytime.thats just the person that is going to get it back to hunting only out there.when some scouts for months and trys to keep anything human smelling out of his area and someone decides to ride all around his spot at 2 in the am.that spot is trashed.now hes pissed and calling everybody that he can to say that people riding all over out there just to ride is casing problems.so for everybody that says thats a graet place to ride .don't forget it is a hunting area not atv park.so whine all ya want everybody doesn't have the right to ride out there.you just think you do and take advantage of it .

WMA's are riding spots for all the public's recreational enjoyment, and we all own them. No one except camp owners have any rights out there to anything except their camps and private owned land. Sorry if you think us riding under your tree stand at night is going to hurt something, but in the end it is public land and if this rule takes effect we will all just start carrying our licenses and guns to ride it. Was like that in the past for a while, and the best hunting is far from where we ride anyway.

if you think all wma,s are public recreational riding areas.then try and go riding at all your state wma areas and see what happens.i have hunted  most of them .there are only a handful that allow atvs.also im not the one you have to worry about if you ride under my  tree stand.its somebody with friends in high places or somebody that just will not stop complaining and making a big deal till someones starts to listen and all atvs are banned for good.there are many more hunters that there are atv riders.you can tell that by how much hunting land there is and how many atv parks we have. some day they are going to ban atvs at hunting areas because they are becoming such a problem.look at like this.you go to a public fishing  area ( they do have no motor fising areas) in a boat to enjoy some fishing and all the sudden there are boats and jet skis all over the place with people skiing . you can not Evan cast you rod its so packed.what do you think is going to happen? someone is going to complain enough .and they will stop allowing boats in that area inless there fishing. as much as nobody wants to hear it there gonna kick every body out of that wma areas who is just riding all over the place.


oh ya and heres florida state law

Florida Hunter Harassment Laws
(28 Fla. Stat. ch. § 372.705 (West Supp. 1995))

FLORIDA STATUTES
TITLE XXVIII. NATURAL RESOURCES; CONSERVATION, RECLAMATION, AND USE CHAPTER 372. WILDLIFE
 

372.705. Harassment of hunters, trappers, or fishers
(1) A person may not intentionally, within a publicly or privately owned wildlife management or fish management area or on any state-owned water body:

(a) Interfere with or attempt to prevent the lawful taking of fish, game, or nongame animals by another.
(b) Attempt to disturb fish, game, or nongame animals or attempt to affect their behavior with the intent to prevent their lawful taking by another.

(2) Any person who violates subsection (1) is guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in §. 775.082 or §. 775.083.

Laws 1990, c. 90-170, § 2.

 

Oh awesome! Who was on the laws? You guys seemed pertty cool, I like the waders comment, we actually used them a LOT later on down that airboat trail  8)

You guys go out there often?
It's not hunting season right now.  So what am I hurting?

I don't get how riding at night effects your DAY hunting? I mean I don't know a whole lot about hunting and all, but I don't understand how my riding effects your hunting...I could understand "Hunter Harassment" if I was riding around your tree stand DURING THE DAY.  Totally different story then.

x2.  There are no WMA's to my knowledge that you can not "bird whatch" or "walk around".  I could be totally wrong b/c I don't know much about it. 

It's public land, not private.  I could totally underand a hunter whining about what you are if it was YOUR PRIVATE LAND...but it's not.  It's public land, even the land you hunt on...

I do understand what you are saying, and have hunted most if not all the Florida WMA's myself through the years even though they suck (atv's or not)...My point is that it is public land, and not for the exclusive use of hunters. Leaf lickers can go out there and walk around if they so desire. The law you quoted was written specifically for PITA types doing crazy junk to ruin a hunt, but they can still go walk around if they feel like it and no one can stop them without committing murder.

The fact is, it is a great riding spot for only a small handful of people in our sport who enjoy deep muck, it is the yahoos on stolen sport bikes on the levy that are pissing everyone off. That is the problem IMO and should be addressed.

Exactly!!!   ;)

Oh my lord, I just had to rip the wires from a lamp to defribulate my heart, which stopped when I realised AO agreed with something I said!! That was a close one.  ;)

lol

I'd have to agree with that as well.

Bill

Good thing I kept the lamp cord handy. ;)

 I ride this place regular and have seen all the idiots in action for many years. "PICK UP YOUR TRASH & DON"T DRIVE LIKE AN :M. There are alot of people who enjoy riding out there and would like to keep it that way.

i agree.to many of the wrong people out there.

x2

It's the levy riders.  I have only seen probably 20 people TOTAL out pas the first camp there the entire time I've been riding there

You ain't kidding about that, and they are usually on a buggy or half track. At least anyone you meet beyond the first camp is guaranteed to be cool.  ;)

They really should drop the levy speed limit to 10 MPH and enforce it hard, I believe that would satisfy everyone except the folks trashing the place. It is funny, you can ride from the parking lot to the buggy bridge and back and not find two pieces of trash, yet if you look in the parking lot or back by the lake you could fill a dumptruck....

I know!

I've actually yet to see a buggy out there.  I've seen airboats and tracks all the time, just not buggies yet.

no kidding, them damn youngins on sport quads should be contained to another area, jus give em a medium size area wher they can tear they're own riding area and leave us responsible riders to fend for ourselves, i think FWC would realize we all arent there to destroy our evergaldes

I mean I haven't heard anything that it's DEFINETLY closing up for rec. use, but it could be true...anyone have any updates

if they close HL i will go to the gate, naked holding a sign saying, "you have stolen my life" lmao

LOL!! :D

haha, I'll be right there too, except not naked...I'll take my shirt off, but not my pants...thats a little much

If it does close, there will be some protesting going on for sure. 



I don't think the state relizes what happens when you cut off the only legal riding spot from a bunch of rednecks...it's not pretty ;)

we'll all be sitting off of 27 outside of holeylands with a fire and beer singing "got mud" til FWC hauls us all to jail for public intoxication :drink.gif :drink.gif :drink.gif :drink.gif :drink.gif

I believe it was only 2 voters with a nay vote AND IT PASSED I say not wait til it closes Noise should be done know before it passes I think hunting is over Jan sometime then there will be no more riding since it will be for hunting only I think

Hunting in that area has been done since Thanksgiving day.  It is no longer hunting season until about 9 months or so.

Last year FWC was at the levy and told us we could not ride til Jan 5 which was the end of the hunting season I dont hunt so I would not know the schedule but if you are sure Ok

http://myfwc.com/recreation/holey_land/whentovisit.asp

Hunting was over Nov 18

i do remember wut gato is saying, it was shut down that late, but FWC told me that its fine to ride during the day or night, on or off the levi, as long as u got a flag and soemthing about a fire extinguisher... never heard that one

Nothing about a fire extinguisher was on the rule list...I'm not worrying about it.

Maybe it's for a track/buggy/airboat?

thats wut she told me, but i havent been asked by FWC when i have been stopped, so i am not worried bout it yet

Yea, I just read through all of the rules for everglades francis s. taylor and it said nothing about atv's and fire extinguishers...

i found it wierd to, but i went out there and had my flag, FWC just stopped by to say hi and make sure i wasnt intoxicated, and he said nothing bout a fire extinguisher, so i guess the office lady was mistaken

Yea, I've become friends with quite a few officers over the years and they all just want to make sure you aren't drinking/driving or drunk off your ass, you don't have a gun, and you aren't causing harm.

If you mind your business out there, they will mind theirs.  It's when you go buckwild, they come after you!

Fire extinguisher is buggy/airboat/track.

Just a couple of hours ago, two small planes collided over on the east side(east of 27). FWC will be all over that.

FHP should be investigating that.  IIRC FHP is basically "in charge" and FWC more or less is manpower, I could be totally wrong because that is just hear-say through the departments I ride with.

http://story.malaysiasun.com/index.php/ct/9/cid/b8de8e630faf3631/id/307511/cs/1/

Seems like both planes where flying with only a pilot.  There doesn't seem to have been any survivors.

i am underaged, so i try not to drink out there, plus its a long drive back to davie drunk, plus riding at holeylands sober is fun, mudfest is where the alcohol is useful

I hope they don't try to pin the fault of the plane crash on ATV usage in the Holey Lands....

You never know ;)

they will just say that the pilot was lookin at an atver doing wheelies or riding on the road(us27) or something to that affect

Or maybe they will say BS like, "The presences of unsafe off road vehicle's contributes to an already unsafe environment"


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Unsafe off-road vehicles?

I don't consider that an unsafe environment.  Maybe it's unsafe if you don't know what youa re doing

well put jrpro, we are dem good drivers, rofl

jr, i ment to add to my last reply, i am gunna be at holeylands this friday night

i'll be there saturday and sunday but we are just riding straight out to buggy bridge. 

hmmm been out ther lately, is it wet?

I wasn't there last week.  I am stillt rying to fix the brittle force for this weekends ride.  The belt is too loose on it and the belt light won't stop.  I know how to fix it, just have to actually do it now, we got all the parts.

We are just going to cruise on out to buggy bridge.  I hope it got a little wetter, but dryer wouldn't be bad either.  We're both big bores on 29.5's, so we shouldn't have a problem out there..keyword shouldn't.  We will have girls with us though, so their 100lbs may weigh us down ;)

I thought I had quoted the post above, I was saying, thats the kind of BS they are gonna come up with as to why the plane crashed!

I just have 1 question for you Which way do you swing TREEHUGGER or SNOWBIRD?????? go play bingo or watch the grass on the lawn in your senior home grow

Ahhh, I read that wrong.  My appologies :)

lmao, yea, i love when others think they can reign on our sport, hell it was getting like that between kyakers (spelling) and flat fishermen, they wanted to ban all motor boats that have a prop in the majority of the land, which sucks, cause then canoers get all the area, but i tell ya what, i'd get an airboat, that'd be some sh*t seeing a 50 mph airboat running then just kicking it sideways spraying some canoers (wet dream) lmao

I once was riding my boat in an area where some cayaker would use but it was not a NO WAKE zone and I really didn't see them but they started shooting birds and cursing with what I can makeout didnt really understand them but they got a dose of 3-5 ft waves and let me tell you they look like surf boarders they tried standing to minimize the hit but it made it worst couldn't tell what they where saying as I past but it swear it sounded like THANK YOU to my knowledge

rofl, i was running back in the sebastian river, and i ran through i bunc h of canoers, and well..... they weren't happy, 3 ft wake, rolled 2 of them, and the others were full of water, i think someone actually threw a sinker at me.

ho;y ;nads sucs alot

on a sport bike

sorry yall i was a lil out theer when i posted that ehhh lets get drunk and ride holylands makes it so much better

I was out there riding all the way 12 miles out.  another 3 miles I was at buggy bridge.

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Hey moron. That's pretty dumb of you. Drinking and riding never mix. If you want to do it, keep it to yourself. How old are you anyway? Twelve?

girt herer done just left yur house rickky thaks to yor sis i got home safe hell yea getting another beer for you feww more weekes my motor be back together  and i beeeeee riding tooo

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yeehaw

cherish the riding, in febuary when they have there commision meeting it may be all over with... we hope not but i heard it all depnds on the vote..if so i belive the no ride rule will be in effect june or july...i heard this from one of the people in the airboat club.

 I hope that doesnt happen but it sure doesnt look good for us riders.I guess it's best to enjoy the privilege while we still can.Thats going to be a real bummer if it's closed.

when it does happen we need to show up to the commission meeting

I dunno, to me it sounds like BS, first it's closing last year, then now it was supposed to close in Jan, now Feb...

It sounds like they are just jerking us around.  If it does close, theres going to be a serious problem...no "legal" spots in the tri county area!  None in miami-dade, broward of course, and palm beach county.  My closest legal spot will be L-Cross/C&R.  other than that I'm really screwed. 

Taht is why when It goes down we need to show up in a large group to protest it I for 1 will get the day off when it does. If what I heard is true the vote on closing it to ATVER's was only 2, yes 2 not sure if true but if it is that shows they just are looking for an excuse to do so My .02 and like I I know there are some of you guys that can show up we just need to be informed. Any one with the info post it up asap to get ready

I heard it was 2-7 and seven were negative for it.  I'm not too sure, that was just hearsay and I probably shouldn't even type it.

if i cant ride at holeylands ne more, i will go check into a mental institute

hey armadillllo dude    i am the ripe old age of 21 yep and i drink almost everytime i get on any of my atvs  and well work on them too and proud of it

:K  Did your parents have any kids with a brain?

i am gonna say no b/c we alll drink alot
 but we are good people promise when u wanna meet and ride?

big crew goin out sat nite, ya'll wana ride?

think i am gonna go sat morning

be there sat. morning

Now that is something to be proud of. Please look into getting a vasectomy ASAP!!!!!!!!

i'll be there sat at 5 pm

dont be mad get glad this world needs more like me and less like you

Damn son .....what went wrong with you , A.D.D. ,AUTISM , a stroke to the left side or  severe head trauma ?  :Wacko.gif

nothing wit me just people like u with  there pants pulled to high

did any one have a problem with FWC saturday, sh*t alot of us were being harrassed by them, he wrote me a ticket for not having a taillight which fell back into the rear storage box, and he saw it was there, not a very nice person, but also no fires, and one guys harrassed us bout not having flags ( which most of us did)

but i took my bike into the mudhole near the wash out right as u come off the levee on the right side, and well hit a mudhole so deep that wen i stepped of my bike i sank up to my chest in mud, and had to be winched out, it took 3 atvs to winch my bike out, but FWC was taking pics saying "this will be goin on the bulliten board at work tomorrow" but i asked the cop if they are shutting it down, he said real soon

FWC didn't bother us one bit. 

I waved and talked to one that I see there all the time, the other flicked his lights on just to talk and make sure we knew where we were going, etc (it was dark).

When I asked FWC if it was closing, they said at this point in time, they can not give any information.  But if anything they will be cracking down extra hard on the "a-holes" riding around creating trouble.

There are too many people going there IMO and it needs to be way better patrolled.  FWC did OK, but there was a TON of underage drinking and even more illigal things going on that I witnessed.

I had to stop a guy that kept on flying by on his raptor.  He must have been doing 50+MPH by the bridge and we flagged him down and asked him to please slow down.  It was by far the most rude thing I've seen in a while.  We were trying to unload after we came back from the brittle force breaking (long story) and this a-hole was flying around creating dust...needless to say we weren't happy.  If your on the board...just know that was really rude, and some people aren't as nice as we were.

nope, we were just parked on the levee chatting with other riders, a total of 7 of us and he rolled up, but he could of been worse and actually given me a ticket and not a warning, but yea over near the wash out there were some "suspicious" activity, where there were like 10 CARS parked together and i would give me left leg they were doin drugs. but i blew out my tranny and a couple other bikes broke down, but over all it was a good night

I talked to the FWC officers for a while. They were cool to me and also told me the biggest enemy we have is the a holes blasting down the levee, underage drinking, the total disregard of reasonable behavior. If it was better patrolled, then folks would be bitchin about too many cops. On the other hand, that may eliminate the crap I see EVERYTIME I am out there. Why can't the a holes just ride? Why do you have to make it unsafe for my family just to show your bike is capable of 50? Or that you have the balls to make a 3 ft jump over the road? WOW.....

i think if some wants to ride fast let them if under 21 wants to drink let them if someone wants to dod rugs let them the reg person has no say to say slow down or dont do this or dont do that b/c all that happens is poeple cant agree on whats right and wronge. and mybe it makes you all happy to say i told him to slow down or stop drinking or whatever

Well, that's what is going to close us down....

no its not all u people dont understand they got the people that speed and litter undercontrall its all those big buggies and full tracks that are making new trails and making the sawgrass look like  i-95 thats the real reason but what do i know?
i no most of u all are so fun to mess with i guess u were all rich and spoiled as kids

but the kids on them sport quads are a pain in the neck, doughnuts next to our trucks in the parking lots, and zipping by us doing 50 + mph missing us by less then a ft, mayb it wont be the reason to shut down holeylands, but i think we should be able to deal with these culprits the old fashion way!!  :box.gif :box.gif :box.gif :ouch.gif :ouch.gif :ouch.gif :Y

Heh, you know it's almost like this guy is just saying stuff to annoy all the responsible atv owners on the thread.  I just kind of have trouble believing he's serious.

We took it into our own hands the saturday.  We stopped a few guys and told them whats up. 

hey 300 quadrunner dude i have a sport bike and i cruz by doing 50mph + and doing dounuts so whats the old fashion way? and i think i herd some 1 smart out there  :drink.gif :T :drink.gif :bow.gif to u last i checked the internet and these fourms are made to 1 meet and ride with new people and 2 have fun talking with the new people. not a bunch of old men to say they are perfect and to sterotype kids of ridders that make it bad for atvs b/c we all and i mean every last person that owns an atv have done something that we should have not to. technicly you are not aloud to drink at holylands weather u are of age or underage that is a road that anyone can drive on so if u had a drink and ride your atv out there u are all risking a dui so u are just at fault as the underage people

dude...do 50 by me and throw rocks on my truck and we will dance...old or not.

yea i am 18... MATT but dude wen a retarded kid drifts his ATV by my truck doin some 50 mph spreading rocks all over my truck that i bust I disagree off to pay for, and he shows little respect, i think thats something that should be delt with, i aint gunna lie i do 50 mph, that road is long, and i got to be places, but not near trucks or other riders, its jus respect. budman hit it right on, sh*t i had a kid miss my atv by a couple of inches he was deff hauling ass, so what am i just gunna let these little punks destroy me equipment cause they lack respect, i dont think so, some kids have had there asses handed to them doin that to a couple friends of mine's trucks, i garruntee that if that happens i wont be so friendly

Thats why I wont ride out there ,
If you have a half way decent vehicle expect to have it  pelted by rocks sooner or later . Another place I won't go is Macks , I used launch my airboat from the ramp on the south side of the canal just west of Krome . Haven't been there in a while but couple years ago the place was full rusty nails (the result of pallets being used for fire wood), broken beer bottles not to mention the problem of having you truck pelted by rocks .
Its not everybody, just few that ruin it  .

You have got to be the dumbest person I've ever run into online. Not only do you lack the intellegence necessary to communicate at even the lowest of levels but, you are definitely the type of person giving the rest of us a bad name and leading to more land closures. Do us all a favor, get rid of your quad, never ride again and go back to school to learn how to at least communicate...... you'll need it with the job you're sure to get. (ie.- "Do you want fries with that?")

Don't give him any advice , if he's really that way he'll have bigger problems in life than where to ride .
He's his own worst enemy ,if recklessness won't kill him stupidity will step right in there .

There's a fence post , a trucks bumper or some object heavier than him with his name on it somewhere and he'll find it , rest assured  :Dead.gif. 
More data for the statistics.

Good points!

to all u people out there yes u armadillo i got a better job then u will ever have thank you very much we can match pay stubs anyday of the week just let me no when u should sell ur quad . what kinda people u think you are  what akes u better than anyone else??????? u guys are the trash thats left behind evan the garbge men wont take u thats why u sit and give yr self such a good name online but u never show up to back your words come ride with me  1 time bet u wont talk bad or think u are better than me

i love how when you park at holey lands people park about 4" from your doors. That really makes me happy...solution

Park where no one else parks...duh.

wow we got a winner man i was waiting for some to say something like that we got  1 smart person ehre still trying to fuguer out the rest

lol let em have it lol, but anyways going that fast near other quads that are stationary or slower is a little stupid but theres nothing wrong carrying a little momentum out in a safe area.

Could you be any more of a troll? Seriously?! Since the day you started posting on this site you have yet to form one single complete sentence that didn't have at least one mispelled word or make sense without an interpreter. Whatever your "better" job is it sure doesn't involve communication or spelling because you can't do either to save your life. I know 10 year olds that can complete a sentence better than you. No one will come ride with you because you have shown yourself to be nothing more than an immature moron that thinks underage drinking is cool and that the law shouldn't apply to you...you and sbripple would get along GREAT!

You say that most of us have no right to say what people should and shouldn't do...well there are laws against underage drinking, drug use and destruction of private property. So actually yes some of us do have the right to say something when it comes to laws being broken. Funny how one second you blame some people for being rich and the next you state you make better money than everyone else.

Regardless what piss poor reply you'll have for my comments I will sleep just fine knowing that someone as dumb as you will meet a untimely end due to your own stupidity and the ATV community will be better off because of it.

Bill

He really is a troll  ::)

BTW, I'm not butting in the argument, but he's 21 not "underage drinking" and I'll just say that he likes to act like a dummy on the internet to cause trouble, that makes his day better for some reason.  Some people lke to quote people, some people like to make fun of people, etc, this is what he likes to do.

Compare pay stubs?  Ha ha ha! Man that is funny. I mean, how well can Burger King pay?

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I think its all the over time he gets spending long nights in the drive thru window.

just b/c u work there dont mean everyone does bubba lol u guys are all so funny u think b/c u went and can do things as u all say right u are sooo good and to u bill no wheer in the rules of this site or any other site on the internet says that u have to spell right and or type like they taught u in school lol :drink.gif :drink.gif :drink.gif :drink.gif :T :T :T :T :T :T :drink.gif :drink.gif :drink.gif CL :}} :X :X :X :deal.gif :T :drink.gif :E :drink.gif :drink.gif :drink.gif :T

If only you guys knew the true person typing behind 4x4 matt...it's not much different...but still different.  The guy can't type to save his life  :-\

But he's a good friend  :-*

And he doesn't really mean all he types, he loves to stir things up on the internet, and look what he done did!

He's bragged about it in the past before he turned 21 plus he mentioned it in other places. Someone that acts like a dummy online just to cause trouble is a troll.

Bill

Dang trolls suck!  they hide under bridges

look how many people where never in this convo just showed up lol i am having so much fun who else is gonna think they are the best try to put me down and feel good bout them self?   :'( i need to go make more fries come get them while they hot ight    and if i break so many rules how come there are few of u that broke the rules of this site posting up in this entree?   lets see who is smart to relize what ones they broke? i no i did not break any

damn matt your such a troll  ::)

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LOL you a trip it's okay to break the law but you want to call people out for breaking the forum rules of no personal attacks, which you are just as guilty of???!!! Yes some of your comments could be construed as personal attacks...oh sorry let me rephrase that so you understand...you said mean things about people.

No where does it say you have to type a proper sentence but no one will ever take your comments seriously. You obviously love attention but it's all for your lack of education and off the wall comments not because you have a valid comment.

Bill

When does Troll hunting season reopen in the Holeylands Management Area?  Is there a bag limit, because he's not the only troll out there that I have seen?

 there should be an age limit for riders to ride at holylands, like if your under 18 or 21 you need an adult present. that would keep the young irresponsible riders from acting like @$$holes, although there are young responsible riders out there it would help out a little

lol, i can imagine someones mom yelling at them to slow down and go apologise to people for getting dust on their trucks

actually there are plenty of "older" irresponsible and idiotic riders.  I hate to generalize, but most of the sport bikes out there are irresponsible...I haven't seen many that are responsible, put it that way. 

WHO CARES  there's worse things in this world than to worry about how people ride ATVs, if you see one of those pesky banshees just pull to the side or avoid it all together by riding away from it if not learn to live with it everybody rides how they want , if you didn't by them the ATV then shut up about how people ride

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WHO CARES  there's worse things in this world than to worry about how people ride ATVs, if you see one of those pesky banshees just pull to the side or avoid it all together by riding away from it if not learn to live with it everybody rides how they want , if you didn't by them the ATV then shut up about 

o yea some is finaly  getting the point people ride how they want just how people drive cars how they want crying bout it aint gonna change nothing

and o yea i forgot my mom and dad will be the one telling me i did not make enough dust or i did not go as fast as the bike can go :-* :)

I care when assholes speed by my truck/trailer and create enormous amounts of uneeded dust when my truck doors are open.  The parking lot is not a race track.  Thats what trails are for. 

I usually stop people that are being assholes, I can't stand it.

woooooooooooooooooooooooooooo just got back from holylands man it was a blast just ripping up and down on my sport bike with not  1 but  2 girls lol cooler of drinks and lil bit of food and a brand new can of skoal i did not see any atv florida riders out there

Okay, now I'm back from hunting our place in South Carolina and can finally respond properly verses using my PDA.

People like 4x4Matt are subject to what I call ATV Darwinism. In other words, he's the typical idiot that eventually prices himself out of a place to ride. What I mean by that is, this imbecile and his ilk are the ones who have solidified the pending closure of the Holylands to ATV riders in the very near future. (Oh yeah, it's definitely closing to us.) In the past, he and those morons like him, have spawned the advents of numerous other closures to ATV use. This is where ATV Darwinism comes in.

Lets face it. People this stupid ususally have limited places in which to ride and limited means by which to ride outside of their local area. This is good and bad. Bad in that these retards usually ruin the places local to them for the rest of the intelligent world. good, in that once they've lost all available areas to them, they don't ride any longer or at least not enough to be a factor.

Those of us that have tons of private areas upon which to ride never have to worry about people like him. Why? Because if we own the property, we'd never invite his type. If we don't own the property and are simply a guest, we can rest assured with the knowledge that, after riding a place once, he'll more than likely never be asked back. Also, these types of mouth breathers usually steer clear of the pay to ride places because either they can't afford it or they're asked never to return.

Of course, there's always the true type of Darwinism that will eventually catch up to him in the form of his Head against something harder at a fatall speed. Unfortunate in that it would be just another statistic for the anti-ATV crowd to use against us and because it would mean one less person to bag our groceries or serve us at the fast food place.

He's an idiot. Not a true ATV rider and certainly not a steward of the sport. He's the enemy, nothing more, and should be treated as such. If he's here to simply post things to stir the pot, he's equally at fault in that it's fodder for the anti-ATV crowd. Any way you slice it, 4x4Matt is nothing but a worthless, loudmouthed, stupid, immature idiot who, once gone, will have made absolutely zero positive impact on this world.  ;)

um that wa very nice i give u credit b/c it looks like u spent some time one it but to bad u did all that for nothing b/c u are the one that will as u say hit my head at a high speed well u will be the one to look at your PDA and nail a tree then u will be an anit atv rider sell your bike and have to get a new PDA lol so u mr armaid;al did i speel it right? do us all a favor get a stiff drink or a beer or mybe in your case when u are done playing deer hunter on playstion u can get a rum and coke and hold the rum   mybe add a il bit of ice and u are on your way and holylands s not gonna close so u need to stop getting these people panties in a bunch and just relaxe and calm down so when u wanna ride for real or me ill show u how to ride yr bike but real men dont have PDA leave yr safty gear at home u wont need it just bring a cooler with ice i got the rest ;) ;) ;) :T :drink.gif :T :drink.gif :T :drink.gif :T :drink.gif :T :drink.gif :E :T :drink.gif

p.s ill bring some girls tooo

i did not no there is such thing as a true atv rider  is that b/c i dont wear those tight pants race jersy and those ugly boots?    i am  a real rider i ride and atv for what it was made for to go fast and have fun and when i ride my other one i ride it to go long way in the woods

You know what ruined holey lands? It's everyone found out about it.

It got so torn up in the past few years.  People that shouldn't be there are there.  People like dirtbikers...they need to go to a track or where they belong.  True mud riders need to be the only ones at holey lands.  A 2wd bike can't go off the levee, so whats the point? All they do is annoy everyone else by riding up/down the levee.  The levee is just a connecting road, not a place to "ride" down.  Thats not real riding at all, it's riding down a stupid dirt road.  I could understand riding River Ranch and saying your a hardcore sport bike rider, or someone who rides at a track...but riding holey lands on the levee is not even fun to me.  It was for the first week or so, but after that it got boring.

And thats why I don't have a yfz450 anymore.  I now have a grizz 700 thats a pure mud bike, one purpose.  I spend maybe an hour total even a mile from the levee, and I'm damn glad I do.  I can't stand that area.  I'm actually going to start dropping in from 75.

We made it from 3a to the toll booth on 75 (I have pics i need to upload in a few days, I'm partying now), and to me it's a waste of time to even start at holey lands, it's so dry and theres too many assholes who have no respect.

We need to police it ourself

Every time you post, you prove that I am so correct when it comes to you.

i am glad i prove u right does that make u feel good and i ride my sport bike to most the camps with out getting stuck i have a pure mudbike yes it will be running next week doing the vavles now then puttting the mtor back together but for the time beeing yes i will ride my sport bike out there and i will ride the leeve and i will ride off the leeve with that bike and if i had a dirt bike i would ride my dirt bike they its not anyones land to say u cant or can ride certin bikes there as of now and to some running down the leeve is stupied and not a good ride and to some it is just a bad ride they look foward todo that ride yes i did go to river ranch and that was sick ridding for sport bikes and got invited back to ride agian and also got invited to ride onf so i guess i cant be as bad as u think i am mybe before u judge come see me inperson ride with me before u judge me just don look at burger king for me i really dont work there like u think

i dont know about the whole sport bike thing jrpro not all sport bike riders are a pain in the ass, iv taken my sport bike to those 3 houses or 2 what ever, like youve said before its all about the rider, i was out there late saterday/sunday(when the F250 got stuck off the levy,lol) and there were guys on 4x4s doing doughnuts on the levy next to either their trucks or somebody elses


lets all enjoy holylnds while we still can, and please respect the place

well obviously no one is perfect, but the problem is levee riders.  Weather they are 4x4 or 2wd 3wd or dirtbikes, they are the problem.  Not many people drive safely on the levee.  When you go to "holey lands" for the sole purpose of riding the levee, thats where the problem is.  Most the people with that mindset are the ones causing trouble

levee riding is safe as long as you slow down when somebody is approaching then you speed back up to 80 when the coast is clear    very safe you see

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NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your an not a very nice person

dam i rember when u went to holylands just to ride the leeve on yr sport bike jrpro what happend u got a 4wd now u are the man?   



































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not  lol we gona build my motor tonight u coming over?

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haha there ya go jrpro levy riders, lol

lol i love this site its like one big happy family 8)

i love levee riding :)

to get to the "real mud"

jrpro u are the man

jrpro ur right man, mud is where its at, no need to do 80 down a dirt road, we got trucks for that, bugs dont hurt when your tucked behind a windshield

yyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa hillbilly  got that broke down 4x4 running holylands does not no what it has in stored on sat   i am graduated no more leeve riding for me for now  hell yea so happy happy joy hoy happy happy joy joy

I can't wait!!!!  8)