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Title: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: Mudneck on November 27, 2007, 05:12:20 PM Any tech types or opinions welcome. I was thinking about it for my 6.0 diesel ford
http://mileagemaker.us/ Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: Ida_Mann on November 27, 2007, 06:18:26 PM so this thing injects hydrogen into the fuel/air mixture?
or does it inject oxygen? I can understand how it might help a little if it injects oxygen,,,,but I have to wonder how the car's computer would handle an insertion of suddenly more oxygen into the mixture,,,,,how it might compensate for it, or if it would at all and just end up burning valves or blowing headgaskets. I'm no mechanic, but I don't see a long-term happy-ending for any engine with this thing attached. Id@ Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: Chevy1500z71 on November 27, 2007, 06:39:05 PM if you want more feul milage outof a diesel get a good free flowing exhaust and intake and a tuner and turning up the boost realy helps. my brother got 12mpg outa a stock duramamx with a heavy foot. he put a 5" exhaust, k&n, turned the boost up to about 30 psi with a needle valve on the waistgate and a diablosport tuner. he gets 15mpg with the tuner on 85hp with a heavy foot pooring out black smoke evry chance he gets. if he put the tuner on 65 and drove like a grandma, 18 mpg wouldnt suprise me. also ading sulfer back into your diesel helps a litle to, my brother puts just 2 stroke oil in sometimes but if your too afraid power service cetane boost works even beter.
Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: Chillinthemost on November 27, 2007, 09:05:35 PM The best way to increase fuel mileage is to slow down, and its free. Its just hard to do when you are in a hurry to go riding ;D. Slowing down from 80 to 70 will increase fuel mileage more than ANY exhaust,chip,intake,bla,bla bla. A diesel belching black smoke might be hauling azz but it aint exactly operating efficiently.
Big trucks and big tires dont equal big mpg but its the price we pay to haul all our crap to the woods. Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: Ida_Mann on November 27, 2007, 10:18:54 PM The best way to increase fuel mileage is to slow down, and its free. Its just hard to do when you are in a hurry to go riding ;D. Slowing down from 80 to 70 will increase fuel mileage more than ANY exhaust,chip,intake,bla,bla bla. A diesel belching black smoke might be hauling azz but it aint exactly operating efficiently. Big trucks and big tires dont equal big mpg but its the price we pay to haul all our crap to the woods. you aint kidding there,,,,,but when I got 24mpg out of a 5.4L V-8 hauling my quad in the back,,,,,,I think it was worth slowing down to 60mph and setting the cruise control ;-) Id@ Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: AmericanRobster on November 27, 2007, 10:21:53 PM The gas mileage is getting better in my new truck ;) I can't wait to pull my atv up to croom soon.
Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: lswjth2 on November 28, 2007, 07:42:49 AM look at this.........
http://www.steelsoldiers.com/index.php?module=pagesetter&type=file&func=get&tid=4&fid=file&pid=15 http://www.hytechapps.com/company/contact Im planning on getting the vehicle system once it becomes available for my 84 K5 blazer..... Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: Young Gun on November 28, 2007, 08:21:30 AM I'm looking into a motorcycle or scooter now because of gas. Also I found out that scooters do not need insurance? And I was quoted $2k for a year... just for me.
Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: logandzwon on November 28, 2007, 11:05:15 AM I'm looking into a motorcycle or scooter now because of gas. Also I found out that scooters do not need insurance? And I was quoted $2k for a year... just for me. Don't need insurance for a motorcycle either., at lest not in florida. Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: Young Gun on November 28, 2007, 06:09:38 PM I'm looking into a motorcycle or scooter now because of gas. Also I found out that scooters do not need insurance? And I was quoted $2k for a year... just for me. Don't need insurance for a motorcycle either., at lest not in florida. I thought you didn't need insurance on a BRAND NEW bike only. Any other bike you need it. Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: k.p. on November 28, 2007, 06:14:25 PM I'm looking into a motorcycle or scooter now because of gas. Also I found out that scooters do not need insurance? And I was quoted $2k for a year... just for me. Don't need insurance for a motorcycle either., at lest not in florida. I thought you didn't need insurance on a BRAND NEW bike only. Any other bike you need it. so buy a BRAND NEW ninja 250 lol they're like 3k or something like that. besides how old do you have to be to own a motorcycle?plus...do you need a drivers liscence to get your bike liscence? Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: Young Gun on November 28, 2007, 07:38:14 PM so buy a BRAND NEW ninja 250 lol they're like 3k or something like that. besides how old do you have to be to own a motorcycle?plus...do you need a drivers liscence to get your bike liscence? PFFT nooo wayy. GSXR600 for me lol. I have enough to buy a nice 06 upfront. I think you just need to have your vehicle license and then you can get your motorcycle license. I have friends that are 17-18 with bikes so I guess thats how it goes. I may be wrong. Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: Bigscrb15 on November 28, 2007, 09:37:39 PM so buy a BRAND NEW ninja 250 lol they're like 3k or something like that. besides how old do you have to be to own a motorcycle?plus...do you need a drivers liscence to get your bike liscence? PFFT nooo wayy. GSXR600 for me lol. I have enough to buy a nice 06 upfront. I think you just need to have your vehicle license and then you can get your motorcycle license. I have friends that are 17-18 with bikes so I guess thats how it goes. I may be wrong. You need a driver's license, and then get the motorcycle endorsement. Florida does not require insurance, but most finance companies do. Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: Chevy1500z71 on November 28, 2007, 09:52:41 PM a chip will gain you more mpg than just driving slow, if you drive slow with a chip it dosent black smoke and waist fuel its only whene you give it the gas before the turbo can spool enough boost to burn all that feul. no mater how you cut it ship and more boost+more mpg on a diesel. if you drive fast with a chip you willprobably get the same mpg as driving slow stock, its just more eficient. ofcorse if you keep the chip on econo tune wich is normaly around 60+ hp but on the biger 120 and 150 tunes than yes you will burn more diesel. basicly a chip will pay for itself in fuel saving if you can keep your foot out of it wich most people dont buy a chip for. btw diablo sports are nice and only cost 300$ overnight shiped from rpmoutlet.com ;) incase your thinking that they are 700$ like those rip off edge and banks tuners.
Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: Young Gun on November 28, 2007, 10:24:03 PM You need a driver's license, and then get the motorcycle endorsement. Florida does not require insurance, but most finance companies do. Thats the best part of me being able to buy cash. Considering a motorcycle for my main transportation will be a big decision though. That increases risk of injury alot, especially if I had to go through rough weather. All I know is that when they quoted my parents $2000.00 to add me to THEIR policy we were shocked. Absolutely insane. I asked other friends of mine and they are all $1300.00 or less. Do they track every time I break the speed limit or 'accidentally' get the tires loose? ;) Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: Ida_Mann on November 29, 2007, 07:57:00 AM You need a driver's license, and then get the motorcycle endorsement. Florida does not require insurance, but most finance companies do. Thats the best part of me being able to buy cash. Considering a motorcycle for my main transportation will be a big decision though. That increases risk of injury alot, especially if I had to go through rough weather. All I know is that when they quoted my parents $2000.00 to add me to THEIR policy we were shocked. Absolutely insane. I asked other friends of mine and they are all $1300.00 or less. Do they track every time I break the speed limit or 'accidentally' get the tires loose? ;) when I was in my teens, my insurance was around $2000 per year which is why I went without it for a while,,,,,now I'm in the $400 per year range. Id@ Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: Young Gun on November 29, 2007, 04:13:16 PM when I was in my teens, my insurance was around $2000 per year which is why I went without it for a while,,,,,now I'm in the $400 per year range. Id@ Yeah but I have friends who are in the 1300 and below range. I dont get it? I even took stupid lessons with a driving school which insurance gives a DISCOUNT on lol. Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: Ida_Mann on November 29, 2007, 04:38:08 PM but are they getting their own policy, or adding to their parent's?
believe it or not, credit ratings matter to insurance companies as well. Id@ Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: Smoknbanshee on November 29, 2007, 05:30:39 PM a chip will gain you more mpg than just driving slow, if you drive slow with a chip it dosent black smoke and waist fuel its only whene you give it the gas before the turbo can spool enough boost to burn all that feul. no mater how you cut it ship and more boost+more mpg on a diesel. if you drive fast with a chip you willprobably get the same mpg as driving slow stock, its just more eficient. ofcorse if you keep the chip on econo tune wich is normaly around 60+ hp but on the biger 120 and 150 tunes than yes you will burn more diesel. basicly a chip will pay for itself in fuel saving if you can keep your foot out of it wich most people dont buy a chip for. btw diablo sports are nice and only cost 300$ overnight shiped from rpmoutlet.com ;) incase your thinking that they are 700$ like those rip off edge and banks tuners. hate to say it, but slowing down saves more fuel mileage than any tuner is going to get you. going slower does not mean your not burning the fuel up. pouring out black smoke means your not burning the fuel up. before i recommend the diablo sport, I would recommend anyone to give Jody Tipton @ DP-tuner.com a call and have him send you a custom chip. his 80 econo tune is talked about being the best economy tune and you can switch it on the fly to whatever else you want. Another avenue you might want to consider if you are not 4x4 is gear ratio. by the way, if anyone has a tuner in their vehicle, don't be FOOLED by the overhead consule, because once you chip or put a tuner in a truck, the overhead console fuel reading is no way accurate. You need to calculate your mileage to get an accurate MPG. Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: Chillinthemost on November 29, 2007, 06:52:41 PM Dont forget to also ask yourself if the possible mileage that you might gain by a chip is worth the 5-10k repair bill that your dealer may hand you when you burn up your engine or tranny and they void your warranty. Yes a $500 dollar tuner will make it a LOT more fun but the consequences can be big $$$$$$$$.
Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: Chevy1500z71 on November 29, 2007, 07:04:06 PM you guys make me laugh, but i guess i can understand that your all skeptical. but driving slow with a chip will get beter mpg than driving slow with a chip. my brother gained about 4mpg with a chip, and thats on the 85hp tune. and he is actualy calculating his mpg and his speedo is acurate. the biger factor that got him beterr feul milage i think is turning the boost up an extra 5psi, more boost tends to be more mpg. and if you have an idea what your doing and have a boost and egt guage than there is no reason you will ever need to take your truck into the deeler for repairs, maybe you guys are the type that go to the deeler to change your oil, if your that kinda guy than maybe you are beter off just driving slow for the mpg.
Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: Mudneck on November 29, 2007, 07:17:29 PM I had my 7.3 chipped,exhaust,downpipe etc...all I wanted to do is stomp on it. Now with the dually & the 6.0 I dont want to change anything since they are known for problems.Ive been thinking bio diesel or wvo for a long time but it turns into a hassle to find grease for free.When I saw this kit I was just intrigued by it & was wondering if somone else ever heard about doing something like that?
http://mileagemaker.us/ Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: kfx400rob on November 29, 2007, 07:23:48 PM there was a discussion about this on the diesel place or some other forum not sure, but everyone agreed that it wouldnt do anything for milage.
i dont know about you powerstroke guys but i think my d max/alli can handle a little 120hp tune, an extra 120hp is still downtuned from the full potential of the engine in stock form, the trans is the weak link. sorry i went off topic. Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: Chillinthemost on November 29, 2007, 07:40:16 PM you guys make me laugh, but i guess i can understand that your all skeptical. but driving slow with a chip will get beter mpg than driving slow with a chip. my brother gained about 4mpg with a chip, and thats on the 85hp tune. and he is actualy calculating his mpg and his speedo is acurate. the biger factor that got him beterr feul milage i think is turning the boost up an extra 5psi, more boost tends to be more mpg. and if you have an idea what your doing and have a boost and egt guage than there is no reason you will ever need to take your truck into the deeler for repairs, maybe you guys are the type that go to the deeler to change your oil, if your that kinda guy than maybe you are beter off just driving slow for the mpg. [/quote Isnt it past your bedtime little man? I have forgotten more about diesels and ANY other mechanical topic that you wish to discuss than you will ever know. Its funny that every snot nosed, living at home with there parents, kid that is driving a $40k+ truck is a diesel expert based on reading the Banks, or Edge, adds in the magazines and their ability to plug a tuner into their diagnosic port and download a tune into their truck makes them a mechanic. No, you make me laugh. Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: kfx400rob on November 29, 2007, 07:50:03 PM real mature chillin, you dont even know him?
Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: Smoknbanshee on November 29, 2007, 08:15:55 PM I love the my brother this, my friend that. Listen I am driving the truck every day. I know what the truck gets for fuel mileage. I have taken many out of state trips with the truck, where I was the only one driving it, filling it up, etc. I have gauges, I know what my truck is doing. 4 mpg with a chip, unrealistic. I would call your bluff on that.
Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: kfx400rob on November 29, 2007, 08:24:15 PM i drive the truck and yes i saw 4mpg with the chip! i was surprized but honestly there were other factors, more boost, fuel additives, and maybe the colder weather helped my intake air temps. i dont know but the point is performance products can help your fuel milage. i agree that driving slow is the best way, but there are other ways to improve milage.
Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: Smoknbanshee on November 29, 2007, 08:35:04 PM fuel additive could of been the key. I use lucas fuel lubricant, and guaranteed to get 1 mpg better fuel mileage out of it, especially with the ultra low sulfur diesel. I can see with numerous aftermarket parts, but a chip alone won't yield you 4 mpg, unless you shut it off going down hill.
Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: kfx400rob on November 29, 2007, 08:41:45 PM yea but i was using additive before too i just switched from amsoil to power service, i think boost was the key actualy because i turned it down because i kept getting overboost codes(i was running it real high for this one tank just to see, like 32-34 psi), and my milage droped back to the usual what i got stock, but still not bad for being on the 120 tune if anything you wont lose milage and its worth the extra power alone.
Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: Smoknbanshee on November 29, 2007, 08:45:18 PM yea i think boost was the key actually because i turned it down because i kept getting overboost codes, and my milage dropped back to the usual what i got stock, but still not bad for being on the 120 tune if anything you wont lose milage and its worth the extra power alone. get an overboost regulator or put one in yourself. Just get the line going to the MAP sensor and you won't have the overboost codes anymore. Occasionally, when I am bull$hitting around I will roll my 7.3's boost gauge around to 30 psi and don't have any problems with codes. I bought one, because I was new too diesel's, but $hit, I would of built one, if I would of seen what it was before I bought it. Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: kfx400rob on November 29, 2007, 08:50:33 PM ppe sells one for $200 wich is a rip for some wires and a light, but i dont know how i would go about making one? im not very good with electrical.
Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: Chillinthemost on November 29, 2007, 08:57:53 PM :Wacko.gif :drink.gif :}}
Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: kfx400rob on November 29, 2007, 09:04:52 PM i dont like messin with the electrical on my truck... over 30 psi probly ist gona be safe on the turbo for long term anyways but it cuts my fuel at around 26psi. id like to get a little more without getting the oh sh!t did i just limp the trans feeling everytime i run highway.
Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: Smoknbanshee on November 29, 2007, 09:11:59 PM you just need to trace the line that is going from the line that goes from the discharge of the turbo to the MAP sensor. It should be like a 1/4" black plastic line. Cut it and put the feed into one side of a standard air regulator and the discharge of the air regulator to the MAP sensor. Before you hook up the air regulator, you need to set it at 23 or 24 psi. Give dennis a call at ITPdiesel.com and he can sell you a kit ready to install. That is where I buy all my stuff.
Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: Chillinthemost on November 29, 2007, 09:14:07 PM I'd like to apologize to Kawiracer and KFX400, I was just PMed by Kawi
"i dont want to make a seen on the thread, but why must you bash me? i dont drive a $40k truck, i drive a truck that costed about $8k. all i did was try and help by proving my point that moding your truck in the right ways will help feul milage if you know what your doing. im not exactly a disel expert but it seems that just because i am smart about what im into everyone gets all pissed off and thinks im full of crap becuas im some snot nosed 17 year old. it makes no sense, if you know about diesels you everything i said is true, rite? name something i said that was wrong? so why say im a snot nosed kid that dosent know anything? i can understand you not beliving 4mpg increase but if you read on there were some other factors. if you have a problem with me, dont go and bash me infront of everyone, keep it to yourself." Now I realize that I was wrong, I am outsmarted by these two and I will now stay out of ALL technical discussions. If you guys ever need riding lessons though........... Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: kfx400rob on November 29, 2007, 09:17:03 PM you know its a duramax? im not following, turbo discharge line, the only thing going to the map on it is wires? i posted on the diesel place ill see what they say.
Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: kfx400rob on November 29, 2007, 09:22:21 PM I'd like to apologize to Kawiracer and KFX400, I was just PMed by Kawi "i dont want to make a seen on the thread, but why must you bash me? i dont drive a $40k truck, i drive a truck that costed about $8k. all i did was try and help by proving my point that moding your truck in the right ways will help feul milage if you know what your doing. im not exactly a disel expert but it seems that just because i am smart about what im into everyone gets all pissed off and thinks im full of crap becuas im some snot nosed 17 year old. it makes no sense, if you know about diesels you everything i said is true, rite? name something i said that was wrong? so why say im a snot nosed kid that dosent know anything? i can understand you not beliving 4mpg increase but if you read on there were some other factors. if you have a problem with me, dont go and bash me infront of everyone, keep it to yourself." Now I realize that I was wrong, I am outsmarted by these two and I will now stay out of ALL technical discussions. If you guys ever need riding lessons though........... lol... but thats real good of you to appolagize though, just a missunderstanding i suppose Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: k.p. on November 29, 2007, 09:22:59 PM you know its a duramax? im not following, turbo discharge line, the only thing going to the map on it is wires? i posted on the diesel place ill see what they say. try the dieselgarage.com those boys know their stuff.... Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: Joedirt on November 29, 2007, 09:23:22 PM They need to change the rules..No religion , Politics..or Diesel talk....LOL...
Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: kfx400rob on November 29, 2007, 09:28:23 PM yea i have a profile for the garage too but that site is always slow and diesel place is specific for d max so it has a lot more info thats usefull for me. alot of people on the diesel place have names on the garage aswell.
Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: Smoknbanshee on November 29, 2007, 09:29:21 PM I see, you might have a pressure sensor right in the line from the discharge of the turbo. You might have to do something different.
Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: kfx400rob on November 29, 2007, 09:29:48 PM They need to change the rules..No religion , Politics..or Diesel talk....LOL... lol any thread remotely related to diesel trucks ends up way off topic or in an argument. Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: Joedirt on November 29, 2007, 09:30:57 PM They need to change the rules..No religion , Politics..or Diesel talk....LOL... lol any thread remotely related to diesel trucks ends up way off topic or in an argument. NO IT DOES NOT!!!.. >:( LOL... :o ;) Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: Smoknbanshee on November 29, 2007, 09:32:50 PM Dang, just realized that ITPdiesel only sells Ford parts. Yeah, I am not familiar with a duramax, so I would recommend the garage boyz to help you out. Shouldn't be that hard to hook up though and once you fool the MAP sensor, you are good to go.
Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: Chevy1500z71 on November 29, 2007, 09:34:15 PM I'd like to apologize to Kawiracer and KFX400, I was just PMed by Kawi "i dont want to make a seen on the thread, but why must you bash me? i dont drive a $40k truck, i drive a truck that costed about $8k. all i did was try and help by proving my point that moding your truck in the right ways will help feul milage if you know what your doing. im not exactly a disel expert but it seems that just because i am smart about what im into everyone gets all pissed off and thinks im full of crap becuas im some snot nosed 17 year old. it makes no sense, if you know about diesels you everything i said is true, rite? name something i said that was wrong? so why say im a snot nosed kid that dosent know anything? i can understand you not beliving 4mpg increase but if you read on there were some other factors. if you have a problem with me, dont go and bash me infront of everyone, keep it to yourself." Now I realize that I was wrong, I am outsmarted by these two and I will now stay out of ALL technical discussions. If you guys ever need riding lessons though........... are you beeing sarcastic? it kinda sounds like it. whatever They need to change the rules..No religion , Politics..or Diesel talk....LOL... another good one is ford vs chevy and of course magniflow vs flowmaster. flowmaster is way beter than crapniflow. any takers on that argument? lol Title: Re: Increase fuel mileage tech responses welcome Post by: Ida_Mann on November 29, 2007, 09:39:24 PM less filling.
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