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Why they just don't protest in streets of washtion dc  >:(  :gh  :pirate.gif  :lecture.gif
over this high demand crap all oil companyies just doing playing with oil prices and just making excusse  each time for oil prices for every cuase what they like to lied to american people like they do always.LOL
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Why they just don't drill the gulf of mexico and florida gas prices  :gh
will be alot lower, there is alot oil  sources out there.We can't just sit here
and wait untill it happens :SternSmile.gif.LOL

Here's story on gas went up 100$ a barrel today..  :foot.gif
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071107/ap_on_bi_ge/oil_prices

Oil prices' climb toward $100 slowed By JOHN WILEN, AP Business Writer
38 minutes ago
 


NEW YORK - Oil prices stalled in their climb toward $100 a barrel Wednesday after a government report said oil inventories fell less than expected last week while refinery utilization remained flat.

 
Oil investors largely viewed the report as neutral in that it confirmed a view that oil supplies are falling, but offered no real surprises. A larger than expected drop would most certainly have propelled oil past $100 a barrel for the first time.

Crude inventories did fall at the closely-watched New York Mercantile Exchange delivery terminal in Cushing, Okla., but that did not appear to be enough to propel prices higher.

"We got kind of a mixed reaction," said Phil Flynn, an analyst at Alaron Trading Corp. in Chicago.

Light, sweet crude for December delivery fell 33 cents to settle at $96.37 a barrel on the Nymex. Before the report's release, prices rose as high as $98.62, a new record. Trading was volatile, with futures falling by nearly $2 a barrel at times in afternoon trading.

At the pump, meanwhile, the national average price of a gallon of gas rose 1.9 cents overnight to $3.043, according to AAA and the Oil Price Information Service. Prices are up nearly 29 cents since mid-October and are 85 cents higher than a year ago.

Some analysts think oil prices have far outpaced levels that are justified by the underlying principles of supply and demand. These analysts blame market speculators for pushing crude prices to record levels, and predict that a correction, or sharp decline, is imminent.

"At some point, the market does actually discount the bullish possibilities," said Tim Evans, an analyst at Citigroup Inc., in New York. "That risk of exhaustion is very present here."

A separate report Wednesday by the International Energy Agency warning of an oil supply crunch by 2015 was not enough to send prices higher. The IEA concluded that growing demand for energy in China and India will boost the world's oil needs by more than 50 percent by 2030.

December gasoline futures rose 0.56 cent to settle at $2.4406 a gallon on the Nymex, and December heating oil futures rose 0.97 cent to settle at $2.6175 a gallon. December natural gas futures fell 23.9 cents to settle at $7.624 per 1,000 cubic feet on expectations that inventories rose last week and on forecasts for warmer weather in the Midwest and Northeast.

The EIA reported Wednesday that crude supplies fell by 800,000 barrels during the week ended Nov. 2, half the 1.6 million barrel decline analysts surveyed by Dow Jones Newswires, on average, had expected.

Supplies at the Nymex delivery terminal in Cushing, Okla., fell by 1.7 million barrels.

Refinery utilization remained flat at 86.2 percent of capacity. Analysts had expected an increase of 0.8 percentage point.

Gasoline inventories fell by 800,000 barrels last week, countering analyst expectations for an increase of 200,000 barrels. Inventories of distillates, which include heating oil and diesel fuel, rose by 100,000 barrels last week. Analysts expected a decline of 500,000 barrels.

Imports of crude oil rose by an average of 275,000 barrels a day last week to 9.7 million barrels a day. Gasoline imports rose by 107,000 barrels last week to an average of 1.1 million barrels a day.

Demand for gasoline rose slightly last week, by about 12,000 barrels, the EIA said. Over the last four weeks, demand is up about 0.8 percent over the same period last year.

However, both Flynn and Evans questioned the EIA demand figures, noting they are often revised downward after the fact. If oil and gas prices continue to rise, demand will come down, analysts say.

"I would be surprised if we didn't see some kind of demand slowdown after a price increase of this level," Flynn said. "I'm not sure that we've seen the impact of this price spike yet on demand."

Oil prices are up 42 percent since August. Their seemingly relentless climb does raise the question of how high energy prices will go. If crude does keep going up, it might be some time until consumers see relief at the pump. Some analysts predict prices could rise as high as $3.50 to $4 a gallon next summer.

The Energy Information Administration predicts gas prices will remain above $2.90 a gallon for the rest of the year and will set a new record national average of $3.235 a gallon by May. In May 2007, prices peaked at $3.227 a gallon as refiners, faced with a series of unexpected outages, struggled to produce enough gas to meet demand.

Meanwhile, estimates of where oil is headed from here range from $50 a barrel to $120. Flynn, who long ago predicted prices would rise to near $100 this year, now says he is beginning to doubt whether prices will actually reach $100 a barrel during the current price spike.

"I think the market is due for a correction," Flynn said

If diesel inventories rose higher, then why the hizell are we paying so damn much for diesel. It is less refined than unleaded fuel!!!! >:(

These gas prices are making family trips or vacations harder each year.

You got that right !!!!!!!!!!!  Diesel was at $ 3.31 this am up from  3.09 last night !!!!!!!!!!!!

Hmmmmm,  that's what the citizens get for allowing an oil man to buy his way into office.   :K

Typical liberal mush :D I guess we should elect Billary ::)

There is a little BP station in Tampa near USF that still has $3.11 gallon for diesel. I am topping off tonight for sure.

It's the same game is dad played in 1990. to bad there's a lot of blind and ignorant people with there heads up there butts. :(

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Oil will run out eventually. We need to start looking for fuel alternatives within the next 10 or 20 years or theres going to be some serious problems. Without gas, everything would stop, the world would go into panic and everyone would start running around in circles.

There's more oil in Canada than all the mideast put together. The same with Siberia too. But we should look for alliterative, like magnetic energy. Its amazing what power and energy you can get out of magnetics

There are already alternative fuels out there. Look at what Brazil has done with its Ethanol derived from Cane By-products from sugar.... We have the technology already to do the same from corn, But the problem is that, that wouldnt contribute to the DEEP pockets of the peaple who run this country !!!!!
 Not to mention, this country has damn near run all of the farmers out of business, so corn production probably wouldnt make it either...

for you guys with diesels look for an episode of dirty jobs about it and find you a rig like that and make your own all you need to change is fuel lines it says all diesels can run on it the guy in the show has a 1982 DATSUN yes datsun king cab DIESEL and does 40 mpg with the set up http://auto.howstuffworks.com/biodiesel.htm

Yeah, The only problem with that is actually getting ahold of the used cooking oil. I have a friend who has a set up that works using an old hot water heater as a base for it. BUT getting the used cooking oil has proven to be the HARD part.
 Every place over here the oil is spoken for by a company that pays for it and the collective containers to store it in at the restaraunts.

 Maybe Willie Nelson will bring his "Willie Bio diesel" here to Florida as he has in Texas ;D

How about just releasing the already acquired technology to make our current fossil fuel cars get 70  to 100 miles per gallon.  There are hundreds of vaporizer systems patents already out there to make our current vehicles get that kind of milage but the oil companies have bought all those patents.  Therefore I personally don't think it would matter if we made cars run on our own urine, I'm sure the Pres. along with his friends in the oil business would find a way to charge,, and over charge for the fill up.  If it goes to ethanol then I will guarantee that nobody would be able to afford to  sugar coat their corn flakes in the morning any longer.  Take a look at the price of corn.  Since E85 came around, the price of corn has gone up substantially.  It would be the same with any alternative fuel source.

For every great invention made for the greater good of man kind, there is an evil selfish greedy politician/business man,  ready to take that idea from man kind and slowly disburse it for a hefty profit for themselves.

let the hate mail replies flow.  8)

THANK YOU MR. BUSH

yesterday oil went up to $98 and change a barrell and at the end of the day was at $96 and change!  I have an article from 2006 saying that oil is at its highest in 13 years and that was 2006 at like $69 a barrel... look at it now, if I have to pay $4 for gas I will be driving my 400ex everywhere because it gets great gas mileage.  now i might get a ticket or arrested but hey at least i tried lol

A street bike is a good way to save money on gas. I get 45 MPG with mine. I rode it evry day this week so far. You just have watch out for the people trying to kill you.

 Yea a good friend of mine was killed LAST NIGHT on hwy 27, he bought the bike t months ago to save gas.....4bucks a gallon seems worth it now to his Family.  God be with you Billy you will be missed!!! :'( :'( :'(

Thats hilarious!! I wonder why no manufacturer has ever made street legal quads.....

Ugh. I am sorry to hear of your loss.

Ditto!!! Thats horrible to hear.

Sorry to hear that.

The way I look at it is you take that chance everytime you get in your car also.

Wow.
Well said. This is a fact.

Anyone who thinks the Bush family/administration cares about you is sadly mistaken. You feed them with your blood, sweat, and tears.
Our country is being invaded everyday crippling many parts of our economy. Yet this government believes our best interests are in countries that have oil. Countries that you and I will never go to.
We the people have been forced to listen to one lie after another. 
Since we went to war, our fuel costs have gone up triple. Who is raking in all that money?
Someone said we will run out of oil... wrong. There is so much oil it's not funny. Wells replenish themselves and it doesn't come from decayed dinosaurs.  :N
This country has so many different problems that could be fixed only if we became a police state. I don't want that so I guess we have to deal with the selective law enforcement and the blatent corruption in the White House.
"Your doing a heck of a job Brownie!"

Here is a few links for you. The first one is fuel prices from 1993

http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/mg_tt_usw.htm

Now the second is a good read. Lets think about it. The economy is doing much better now and we are making a heck of a lot more money with Bush in the office then when Clinton was in office. (Hasn't wages went up) I was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth and everything I have, I worked hard for. Think about just ten or 15 years ago at how many on this forum couldn't buy a used quad, more less a new one to ride, and how many didn't have a computer to get online with. We couldn't afford it. Fuel prices may have gone up, there is nothing we can do about it except sit around and blame our president. Maybe we need to lower our standards of living some and then we can afford fuel. Here is a link.


http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6440

Yeah, the economy is doing GREAT as we speak !!!! With no doubt in my mind NOTHING to do with the president at all either right ?!?!?!
Back to the topic, There are alternative fuels out there. They just are not being utalized at this point

Bio diesel may be great in some older heavy 18 wheelers but I wouldn't recommend it in any of these new small trucks. Warranty won't cover it and when you need an injector or an engine. It will cost way more then any savings you will be made from the bio diesel. They are not even made to run on the old deisel with the higher sulfur. You HAVE to run low sulfur fuel.

isnt that the truth, iv passed so many road trips is not funny

sorry to hear about the loss of your friend.  my parents wouldnt let me get a street bike due to the fact most drivers treat people on them crappy and cut them off or something stupid which is sad.  i dont have enough money for a truck so i wanted a street bike but it didnt happen so my 400ex idea seems pretty good haha  i've done it before but speeding fines and the fines for riding something not "street legal" suck, everyone tells me to ride my quad to school and i will when gas prices go up higher

yea i would love to ride my atv to school and work, lmao would be kinda cool

I was in high school here in Jupiter, FL back in the early 80's and we would ride our ATC's to school. This was before the building/developement boom. It was pretty neat to see all the 3 wheelers out in the bicycle area.
Ahh... those days are long gone.

i wish it was still like that today riding those to school

 >:(  gee  hads been  jump up   it's like 3.25 a gal  at orbrein gas station and  branford
was like  3.17 for lowest in gas and the highest was  3.25$ at bp gas station.

Dang lake city  is  alot  cheaper than live oak  it's like 3.14$ at walmarts  in lake city

the best walmarts hads all  electrons. I'm going to ga up in valdosta area this weekend
and lake park is good area for gas prices. 8)

Prepare yourselves for $5.00 per gallon. IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN SOON.
Yes, I have inside information.
Thanks George-you're doing a heck of a job.    >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Maybe if it hits $8.00 a gallon they can skip the I-595 expansion.

as I was filling up at the BP station here in Brooksville before riding cause its always been the cheapest around and now they have a sticker on ever pump saying that their gas contains 10% or less of ethanol now.  as long as my quad runs the same i could care less what they put in the gas lol

yea, i charge my boss mostly for my fuel, and i see the daily fuel bills, all i gotta say is OUCH

Your a real Einstein.  First off how many people work for less money each year, your wages should always be going up you idiot.  You either get a raise or a cost of living increase or a promotion perhaps but it should always be going up. 

As far as people having computers now and not 10-15yrs ago well no sh$t, prices on computers have dropped so much anyone can buy one now. 

Do you have a clue what is going on in this country now?  Housing market going bust, stock market is only ok at best and may be on the decline, fuel prices going thru the roof.   And not to mention the war in Iraq.  Who is at fault for this Clinton, no it's your beloved president.  Why don't you do some homework and try to find out who helped Bush develop his energy policy and then come back on here and apologize to everyone for you being so clueless.  Give me a break

Very nicely said.

It's funny how the realists (like myself) simply state that the economy is in the toilet for the common man and one of the first things a die hard republican will blindly spew out is "well the stock market is doing great"  so the economy is strong. WELL,,,,,,,,,,,   since only 10% of the "middle class" citezens actually invest in the market, that makes the other 90% of investors going to the "upper class". 

It really shouldn't take a genius to figure out that YES! the market is doing well,  however, that is only an indication that the rich upper class Americans are doing great.  Meanwhile, a large portion of the middle class is selling/loosing everything they own just to feed and provide for their families.  This unfortunately, is the republican way, IE. the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.  The gas prices is just one very visible symptom of the republican system.

I would love to ride my atv to work. That would sure be sweet!

You call me an idiot, Lets look at who the real idiot here. The housing market is going bust because interest rates were low and it would allow people to afford more home. But now that interest rates is on the rise they can no longer afford that same home. A lot of those loans were variable rate and people were overpaying what the market should have been. The real estate agents were raking in the cash but now that the rates are up, people can no longer afford those expensive homes. I do not think that our government should buy out all those people that went out and purchased homes that they could not afford anyhow. How many people do you hear that talk about buying property in Georgia and Alabama because land is cheaper there. All these gready people are doing is runing the true Florida natives from there own state. You home is your most important assett and when you purchase it you should account for fuel prices and food to increase and give yourself a little leave way in between. Our society has got to have the best homes and are so tied up with keeping up with our friends that we will stretch our budget to look like we keep up. My home is not the greatest and I don't own acres of property but it serves us well, we can afford it and we are HAPPY with it.  Now I must ask, are you one of the idiots that are crying about not being able to afford you house payment now that fuel has went up a little?

What I see happened to the housing market is retarded speculators and all the flip your house morons who mistakenly thought real estate could never go down in price, and they were all going to get rich. History has taught us that it can and does and does bust sometimes. It isn't the banks fault, mortgage companies or the real estate folks problem IMO, it is the people who over extended themselves because they were blinded by dollar signs. It is the same thing that drives people to send the 'King of Nigeria's" son a bunch of money to help him smuggle a fortune out of his country for a big cut...greed.

I have news for you, fuel prices influence everything. For every penny it rises, goods, produce and everything else goes up $0.50 give or take. It isn't people skipping family trips to make a mortgage payment that screws everyone, it is milk going to $4 a gallon, crap steak going to $11 a pound because farmers and truckers get crushed first, which hits manufacturers etc.  No one wants to take a hit, so they raise prices and the chit rolls downhill till it hits the folks who just have to take their paycheck with no recourse but sell their stuff.

I say we go back to using horses.  There problem solved.

sell the 400EX and buy an enduro. its a dirtbike. but you wont get in trouble riding it on the street if you have a tag and dont get pulled over.

I think Tina Turner had the right idea going on at Barter Town.

Might not smell quite as nice as running behind a 18 wheeler running old KFC oil, but hey, pig chit is free and the local sewer plants just burn of the methane.

horses or atvs sounds like a plan, maybe get alot of them immigrants off the roads!!! 



STEVIE WONDER SCHOOL OF DRIVING  :drive.gif :drive.gif

when it gets to $4.00 im sellin my F250 and buying a Tacoma with a 4cyl 5-spd. how soon is that happening? i might need to start lookin.  ;D

Why should I lower my standards for living when I make good money? Maybe you think it's just fine to lower yours or keep it the same as you make more money but I don't bust I disagree day in and day out so that I can live the same and be happy with it. It is very easy to blame Bush for fuel problems in '04 I bought my first diesel and it was $1.63 a gallon at the time and was $.10 a gallon cheaper than 87 octane. Now it's more than double in less than 4 years. That increase was mostly unexpected and took a good chunk out of my budget. I feel much worse for the Truckers that make a living and have no choice but to pay the price and it not only drives up their costs but it cuts into their profits.

Housing problems are a combination of things not just the government except for Florida. Tax rates are through the roof anywhere you go, insurance after the hurricanes has also skyrocketed. I played it safe with my house but between fuel, taxes and insurance I now have $600 less a month to work with. No I'm not one of the crying people as I made sure to have enough room to work. However how many people could afford to take on another $600 a month in bills for things they already have? Alot of people bought homes thinking an adjustable rate mortgage was fine because the market was so good and are being burned. They took on more than they could chew and the finance companies should take a good amount of the blame also for approving all these sub prime mortgages.

Bill

Some of you guys throw insults around like you are on Craig's List or something.

Focus on the real issues and not the smoke screen your leaders want you to see. There are ways to make your current cars and trucks get around 100mpg, but the oil companies have bought all the patents.
Our country is in desperate need of inventors. Our society has focused too much on music and sports. Who are the people we are supposed to look up to? Thugs in sports? Druggies in music?

the reason the housing market went bust is the homeowners insurance rates.they just foreclosed on my house because i could no longer afford it.and I had a fixed rate mortgage at 5.5% when we bought the house our payment with taxes and insurance were $900 after the insurance and tax increase $1750 and that was with homestead.yes my wages went up as they do every year a measly  $20 a week.not nearly enough to keep up with expenses.

Before people sign a contract they should look at it closely to see how much it can go up if things change. Some people think that our tax dollars should bail these stupid people out. Sorry but I don't. These people made a decision and purchased to much home and overpay for it, its their problem, not our governments. Seems when times get tough they automatically want to blame our president which is BS. Just like during hurricane Elena. People knew that it was heading their way and they knew that New Orleans was below sea level. I'm sorry but if I lived there, I would have walked out of there if thats what I had to do. No, it was easier to blame the president.

This president will go down as the stupidest and most corrupt president ever. Along with  side show thingy Chaney. I love the pictures of Mr. Bush holding and kissing the Saudi royal families hand the last time he was over there. Remember thats were most of the money for the 911 hi jackers came from. I guess financing 3 thousands murders  holds no accountability. If you or I paid for someones murder what would happen to us. Usually the financier holds as much responsibility as the killer. Not in this case!!! Corrupt mother f**kers.

You can blame the ARM loans for some of the problems but in Florida the problem is the taxes and insurance. Look at the homestead exemption it's been the same for over 20 years. When homes cost $80k new a $25k break was great but when the average home cost in Palm Beach County is $300k that $25k doesn't mean a thing. Is that George W.'s fault no it's his brothers for no doing something and every has been hurting especially the months and years after back to back hurricanes. You also assume alot by thinking alot of people just bought the biggest house within or over their budget. People bought what they could find. I've owned my home for 3 years and it was the cheapest place within 40 miles of my job that wasn't located in the ghetto and still cost me $255k. Before you state that people should move to a cheaper area you first have to recognize that there aren't jobs in areas where it cost less to live. Some people have no choice but to buy was is available and renting is no cheaper in most cases unless you want to put your possessions and familys security at risk in a bad area.

Is Bush to blame for everything? No. People in NO knew the risks and were confident in their local government and it failed. That's a whole other mess. However the housing market, enconomy, gas prices, stock market is all a sign of how the country is running and with people talking about another depression it's obviously a poor reflection on how it's being run by Bush.

eldiablo64, sorry to hear about your home.

Bill

how about just suck it up and pay for it.....or you could stop driving?????? up to you

Your right the housing market is screwed up and NO I don't think we should bail people out of there bad decisions but that is not the point.  The point is that this country took several steps backwards in the last 6yrs of GW and it will take alot more than 6yrs to get out of this hole HE dug.

Where do you think all the money is coming from to finance his war in Iraq?  Taxes?   Nope, because GW does not believe in taxes but what he does believe in is borrowing money to finance his war.  The money he is borrowing is not being paid by you or I but future generations will surely be paying like your grandchildren and their kids.  Also all that money he borrows takes money away from the money supply, which in turn causes money to be more expensive to borrow (like higher interest rates) which in turn puts us where we are today.

You say we should not be bailing people out for there bad decisions and your right people should only spend what they can afford.  Well why should our government be any different?  Sure, wars can come up that were unexpected but does that mean we should lower taxes and have future generations footing the bill?   Your beloved president is keeping taxes lower for his big money friends and businesses and he does not give a rubber nickel about you or me.

I surely don't like higher taxes but I also don't want to pass the buck (or in this case the bill $$$$$) to my daughter and her kids.  It is time for you people (the republicans) to start paying as you go and stop your nonsense about lower taxes. 

I am also still waiting on your answer about your presidents energy policy.  What is it and who wrote it?

they do have scooters now a days, 80 miles to a gallon, look real manly on one of them, or a 10 speed

You state that I assume that people bought the biggest house for their budget. A lot of people did. If your job does not pay you anough to afford a $250,000 home then maybe you should find another job in another part of the state, take a pay cut and find a home a little less priced or find a job that allows you to pay for the house thats avaiable in your area. That would be like telling the government that you cannot afford a new truck and they should give you one because you need to go to work and you don't make enough money to afford it yourself. The real estate people and people selling property were taking advantage of the low interest rates available a few years ago and were bragging about how much they were making. Now they are crying because the housing market has took a dump. I said it then and I say it now. The market back then would come to a halt because people could not afford what they were paying for property and it has come to an end.

We all see what Bill Clinton did in the office. NOTHING. Has everyone forgot that he was IMPEACHED. Looks like he may get another chance though. Another 8 years of doing absolutely nothing again.

Hey Don't laugh. I have a Baccio 50cc scooter and I've been using it some lol. I'm 6'2" 250 pounds but considering it I can go around for 3 bucks vs 20 bucks I'll leave my Duramax parked. I think everybody should have a scooter in the family to just run errands and stuff on.

As for all the ranting about gas prices, Billary and mortgage rates the only thing to do is try to pay your bills on time and refi asap to an affordable rate. I've got an arm too that is going to adjust in January so I'm refi'ing now so I can lock in. It was fun while the rate was low.

You have absolutely no clue about how things work in the real world. Not everyone is happy working as a gas station clerk and happy to live in a 20 year old home in a small town. Some people actually get educations and/or work their asses off on a career that allows them the nicer things in life. That also means having to live near bigger cities where those jobs are located. Thus forcing people to live within reasonable distance of work and having to buy more expensive homes. Just because you choose to work for a dealership and live in the middle of nowhere, drive 10 year old vehicles don't expect others to live that life. Most people I know that are having problems affording things didn't buy a house out of their budget they bought well within their budget. Just like I said all these others factors are what screwed things up. I can afford my house and my truck is paid for in full. When I bought my place the payment was less than a 1/3 of my take home which is well within anyones budget. However TAXES and INSURANCE and now DIESEL the real problems in Florida, specificially south Florida has screwed up everyones budget. That is why there are a lot of people forclosing in Florida not just ARM loans, although they don't help.

Thank you for proving my point about Bush. You are right Clinton did nothing, he didn't start a war, fuel costs didn't fluctuate by 100% while he was in office, home owners insurance didn't triple after every strom came through...all he did was get a BJ. I'm not a Republican and I'm not a Democrate I just want to earn my way in life and enjoy what I have. I'll be damned if I'm going to give up 14 years job experience and my career to become the new greeter at Wal-mart near a town with a population of 1000 just because you think we should all just lie down and be happy with the idiot in office. Anyone with an IQ over that of an apple only has to listen to Bush for 5 minutes to figure out he's belongs in a special ed class.

Bill

LMFAO, at you, sounds like since gas prices went up you can't make you payments and want the government to make them for you. Thats no difference then being on welfare. You think I'm stupid. I must be pretty smart. I'm not complaining about gas prices here, You are. If I'm so stupid then why do I own (yes paid for in full) a 2001 Impala, 1997 Chevy extended cab 4X4, 2002 Tahoe ( that I purchased for my son, because I can afford it) and four ATV's, and still have money to drive them all left at the end of the month, sounds like I did something right. To top that off, I do own a pretty nice concrete block home with only a $75,000 mortgage. Not $250,000, because I did not want to stretch my budget in case fuel went up. Did I work for it or did my family give it to me. Well lets see, My parents have been gone for 15 years and with 8 children they did not have anything but an old house on two city lots. So nope, I earned it all myself by budgeting and staying within my means. Most everyone has hobbies, quads seem to be it on this forum. Just some of us may need to change our priorities and give up some hobbies to make ends meet. Because they didn't allow for things to change and prices to go up.

so let me get this straight. You bought everything you own on the assumption that gas prices would soar? ???

Also, Bush didnt bring 4 hurricanes in one month in 2004, he just happened to be president as well as on 911.
Think back, when did gas prices go through the roof. ANSWER: when 4 freaking hurricanes ripped thru the gulf & the main area of refineries in the USA, the gulf coast. Now the price went up & the oil companies played games to keep the price up there.
Yes I do say it is time for the govt to do something about fuel as it will drive everything else up as well, ie: food, clothing & materials to build with and so on & on.

Now back to the topic, GAS PRICES ARE FREAKING HIGH!!!!!

Not sure who the first comment is aimed at as I've never said I bought everything because gas prices would go up I bought everything I own because I could afford it.

Bush didn't bring the storms but it is his job to help keep things in line and he hasn't done that. He's allowed prices to go right through the roof and continue to climb at a ridiculous rate.

Bill

i SAY WE RENT A TANKER GO TO iraq & FILL THE mo FO UP! WHAT THE HELL ARE WE DOING THERE IF WE ARENT GETTING A STABLE ECONOMY & FUEL MARKET?

I bet those towel heads pay .12cent a gallon & when the US forces go to fill up at Hodgies they pay $7 gallon with the govt credit card.

The economy is alomost always F*)&)ed up before elections.

First I don't want the government to pay for anything of mine. I expect the government to do it's job and keep prices from getting out of hand. They allowed insurance companies to screw everyone and oil companies to do whatever they want. Second yes I'm complaining about price increases it sucks. Who the hell wants to willing give up more money and just sit around and say oh well that's life. You don't want to read it then leave but the whole point of the thread was about complaining about fuel. Third I owe $155k on my CBS house not $250k (actually $255k), that was what I paid for it, I own my 2008 F250 outright and have about 8 more months of payments on my Rhino and I did this all on a single income so please don't even try that crap with me. I know how to budget and keep within my limits. I'm not on the verge of loosing anything I'm complaining because it sucks that I can now only afford to go riding every other weekend instead of every weekend and some people are in much, much worse condition than that. If I was in that bad of shape I would sell things and re-adjust to what I can afford. What I am is annoyed at losing the extra money that used to go towards toys because the current government is doing a piss poor job on things.

Bill

That 1st part was for Yunt. The rest was for the Bush-bashers.

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Darn YUNT you paid 75k for that TEDS SHED? ??? ::)

I have been wanting to take my son to the motoplex since it opened, but 2 tanks of fuel will cost me $170 right now & that is hard to justify before Christmas. My wife & I both work & have made our way with no help at all or even a cosigner in our lives. I dont care who you are or what you make if you have any way in your mind to justify the cost of fuel right now then you need serious help!!! I voted for Bush 2x & I aint a happy camper right now either.
FYI, diesel fuel in Brazil is going for around .23 cents a gallon. I talked to a fishing captain & he was filling up a hatteras down there a while back & that is what they paid.

We are getting fu**ed hard by fuel prices PERIOD!!!!!

Darn YUNT you paid 75k for that TEDS SHED? ??? ::)
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What, did Ted screw me. He told me that was the going price and that I HAD to pay that price. LMAO

Anyone that was dumb enough to sign up for an ARM is too retarded to own a home anyway.
I have a 1973 Datsun B210, a JC Penny Supertrike 5hp Briggs and a 1968 10'x24' Airstream here in this trailer park anf my mortgage is only $127.83 on the $11,439.00 I've got left.

Hows the datsun do pulling that trailer?

Which is faster the trike or the B210?

Bill

What, did Ted screw me. He told me that was the going price and that I HAD to pay that price. LMAO

I hope you didnt take out one of those neg option arm loans on it ???



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No it was a buy here pay here live here deal.



Now, has gas prices went up, yes it has. Everyone seems to be ready to blame our government for every little thing that happens in these states. Everyone seems to think that they cannot make ends meet and that the economy will stop if something doesn't happen. Here is my point, It won't, we may just have to re-adjust our priorities but things will go on just fine. Everyone seems to forget what has been thrown on Bush's agenda since he has been in office. I don't believe many presidents had to adjust like he has. people are quick to complain about the bad but are slow to recognize that they can change some things around and take some responsibility also. Did I buy a home thinking the gas prices would go up. No, But I did buy one knowing that they could go up.

The Datsun rocks! It runs a 18.74 at 68 mph on nothing but a 90hp dry shot of spray and can pull a trailer better than any cummins or powerstroke. But the trike is better in the mud any day.

Bush isn't the cause for the increase but as our LEADER he is reponsible for doing something about it and he won't because it's not in HIS best interests. Fuel costs went up about a $1/gallon after the major storms hit the gulf and stayed there. Since then with no storms they have gone up another $1/gallon. In just over 3 years that's a 100% increase in cost and you say we all have to adjust to that and most have. Obviously you think that Bush doesn't need to do anything about it because it's not his fault so let say that trend continues. In another 3 years you'll be paying $7/gallon I suppose that's okay and no one is to blame. If you think that wouldn't cause major problems in the US you are in denial. Just look at the cost of groceries from a few years ago to today and you see the affects of those increases. Inflation is one thing, but the rate at which fuel costs are going up it affects everything.

Oh may I interject the Oil Companies BOAST record profits & earnings each quarter.No, they didnt just make a couple hundred mil in profit but 100's billions.That gets broke up and lines the pockets of a select few. They would love for us to pay $7 a gallon.

I'll say it again,,, That's what we get for letting an oil man from an oil family, buy his way into the white house.  :'( :'( :'(

If Iraq's new government can't get their chit together, why hasn't the U.S changed things around and tell them fine,  you can horse around all you want but from this day foward, the U.S. will keep the peace in your country, but your going to start paying top dollar for our military and we will take that payment in oil.
Of course if wouldn't really change the presidents friends within the oil companies from sticking it to the "common man".  So it's a loose loose.    And the really crappy part is that The only two main democratic canadates are a couple of tools.  (hillary and obama)  So I probably won't have a choice but to vote for the best republican canadate which is basically picking the best of the evils.   I always thought I was a center of the road kind of man, but honestly, the current Pres. has really pushed me away from the republican party.   Maybe there will be an outstanding independant that will run and then I'll vote for him/her

I seem to remember a Certain Bill Clinton opened the nations fuel reserves several times to help bring down the price of fuel and it worked.  That turd of a president we have now won't even think about it...........but NOOooooooo he is not a friend of "BIG OIL".  I will agree that we are in a war now and not then but he is still a turd and this war dragging on and his threats against Iran are not helping the prices.

With the way this president has run this country into the ground it's hard to believe anyone would admit voting for him or even admit to even ............nevermind.

What do you expect he ran every business into the ground that he was in charge of before being a president. Its funny this same topic a couple of years ago would be nother but Bush lovers piping in praising how great he is, now were down to a couple stuburn ones.

My Datsun wouldn't start this morning and my dog got hit by a garbage truck too. Darn it! It's all Bush's fault...oh, and the rest of those republicans! Basturds!

I heard L_CROSS only needs to sell 400 more tickets ;D

How legal is it to hold a raffel & not give away a prize after 18 months let alone change the prize 1/2 way through it..... >:(

boy I wish my horse would stop drinking so much gas its getting expensive ???

I WAS THINKIN THE SAME DAMN THING !!!! >:( ARE THEY GONNA WAIT 2-3 YEARS  :'(  bung holes  >:(

Thats funny stuff right there. LMAO



Maybe go to the government office and see if you can get a free grant to buy you a new car. Because you know, Its all Bushs' fault.  ;D

Bush won the Rhino, shhhh keep it a secret. He traded them some oil for it. They already sent it to Crawford, TX.

I was going to blame Bush for starting the internet and giving us a place to pregnant dog about things like this but actually that was Al Gore's doing. ;)

  NO SIR..That is GREEDS Fault...It is illigal and someone will blow the horn. I didnt buy one so I have nothing @ stake, but alot of folks seem to be mad about it.

My 2 cents,,
1) Gas prices will not go up with the price of oil because we cannot afford it

the EIA announced a 2.6 million barrel (55 gallons ea) build in crude supplies
The EIA announced even more for gas because we have reached the tipping point and less gas is being used and the oil companies cannot pass the price increase on to us

I bought 8,500 gal of wholesale gas today for $2.84 per gallon

The housing deal, no one's fault but our own.  Yeah it sucks homeowners insurance tripled but the ARM loans I can only laugh at...you bought more than you could afford, bottom line!!

Very well said.

So your saying gas prices aren't going up? ???

Well,i agree with you we need become more independant and we need reundo congress in capitail hill
and they need get rid all old farts and put new people in congress and make it better lives on the american people.
And this fighting will stop on news we know it's been going on for everyday. Well we need look at frank thompson
he's more like regan type and the ex mayor from nyc  and dem side joe biden sounds like good dude on oil resources. I think we should used all oil resources in gulf of mexcio if they drill gulf of mexcio off florida back 5years ago our gas prices in florida would been little bit cheaper here and there's not enough refineys here in florida that whats we need the more rineys the better chances our gas will be lower in some way. But these people just let enmentvoit morons took over florida and algore lied about globe warming and it was proving on abc show called 20/20 back during oct.  :deal.gif :foot.gif I think it was al gore scam back then!!!

Well your best bet we need oil rights here in usa and lower gas taxes all way here in florida. I think people should protest to put no taxes on gas here in florida and through out usa. :)

 :T

I called the Whitehouse earlier today to complain about my ingrown toe nail. I tell you, that Bush is a mean man.

I'm not suprised you think Bush is a meanie when you called the white house about your medical problem.  After all, his  health care Plan...........hmmmmm what health care plan?   Bush just might have been mad because he is failing with our health care system as well and was just projecting that anger from total failure onto you. :'( :'( :'(

I've been collecting farts in jars now. I notice my quad has been flaming fast lately. Screw Opec I gots my own fuel. :D

LOL........ Who knows human waste could be  a good resource or use all pastic's lead products the defects
 in china toys we can try turn thoses into oil.LOL

I called Hillary about my toenail too. She said the socialized medicine will definitely take care of it......some day....and I can't choose my Doctor..........or the date or type of service........ ;)

Sounds like you been listening to Rush Limbaugh to much. :foot.gif

Nah, not at all. I think he's an idiot. I do what anyone with any intelligence should do. I listen to all sides, all stories, gather as much info as I can from all sources and then make my own decisions.

anyone care to do a group ride on the streets when gas hits $4 a gallon?  i know its heading there unfortunately.  gas was high enough at $2.90.  I remember when gas was $1.65.  wouldnt that be nice to have?  i would buy a whole gas station if it went that cheap and keep all of it for myself

And then you toe the party line  :K

I've never toe'd any party line. Rather I make and informed decision before acting.

Get over yourself. Again, I'm a registered Democrat. If someone poured ice water over you in your sleep you'd wake up and blame a Republican.  ???

Tell you what, why don't you convince some of the leaf licking liberal feel good knee jerk politicians to let the US drill in Anwar, Alaska or other oil rich areas like off Myrtle Beach South Carolina? The area looked at for drilling  in Anwar is basically wasteland and a tiny portion of the overall area. Environmental impact would be neglible at worst. Estimates put the numbers around 1 million barrels per day with no environmental impact.  Yet, the liberal environmental idiots oppose it and have kept it from happening.

The USA is the third largest oil producing county in the world at something around 8.5 billion barrels per day only behind the Saudis at something like 10.5 billion barrels per day and Russia at 9 billion or so.  Open up the US oil fields and lets drill. Then again, Bush being a US oil man would probably profit a bit too much if that happened. I mean, of course he's driving up oil prices overseas so that he can line his and his friends' pockets when they could be making soooo much more drilling in the US.

Give me a break.

I don't know if someone said this already or not but, I think the fuel prices will drop close to election time so the republicans can take credit for it hoping everyone will forget they drove it up in the first place.

I agree with some of what your saying but producing more oil isn't the answer. There's a monopoly in oil it's called Opec, They set the price. Plus why would they want more oil, it would lower the price of a barrel of oil. Resulting in lost revenue for them and oil companies. 
 We only get 1/3 of our oil from the middle east. I rather drill there in a desert than drill here in our beautiful land. There's nothing wrong with protecting nature, you don't have to be a leave licker to believe that.

NO, I would blame the guy that poured the ice and then I would kick his @$$  ;D.  In my opinion you toe the line of the republican party and I have never seen anything in your post to make me think other wise.  I am not a die hard democrat and I am certainly not a leave licker and I don't have any problem with this country drilling for oil in almost any area within reason. 

The issue I have with you is you seem to defend almost everything GW does, he can do no wrong in your eyes.  Fortunately, the rest of the country and historians can see thru the fog of lies that this administration has produced and we all know that he will go down as one of the worst presidents EVER.  Heck, Ronald Reagan was one of my favorite presidents but GW will make Jimmy Carter look good.

Look Fishy, you need to reread my posts a bit more carefully.

I have never "toed the line" and do not defend GW. In fact, I agree that he is not the strongest president we've had. However, I am intelligent enough to realize that GW is used as a scapegoat for more left wing idiots and moderates than Carter has pills. Anyone who honestly believes GW is 100% to blame for any ills the US currently suffers is quite frankly a moron.

Want me to vote for a democrat? Then give me a candidate that actually has a back bone, that hasn't flip flopped on key issues, that will actually do something more than give handouts at my expense, that has a little (just a tiny little bit) moral character, and I will cast my vote. The current democratic front runners are pathetic. Hillary? Obama? These people are leadership jokes. Don't even start on the House and Senate. Democrat controlled and unable to accomplish anything? Good Lord. I'm not saying the republican party is not without issues as well. However the leadership potential within the republican party is much more attractive to me (your average hard working, tax paying, educated white male over 35) than anything the democrats have. And, I say that from a neutral position, not from a "toe the party line" stance.

This is no longer a democratic/republican country. It's a cry baby bed wetting fanatical liberal verses staunch hyprocritic conservative state. In the middle are people like me that are dangerously intelligent when it comes to understanding root issues such as national and global economics, immigration, health care, foreign policy and taxation. I say we're dangerously intelligent not because we're all carrying MENSA cards or something; but dangerous in that we don't buy into the hype, the scapegoat mentality or the issue shifting tactics employed by most, if not all, high end politicians these days. We few in the middle think those that constantly blame their issues on one person (like GW) are not only stupid, but counter productive as they usually bring no constructive reasoning to the table, only complaints.

Doesn't give hand outs at your expense!!! What do you call 15 million illegals. Bush can run from that especially being a former governer of texas. He can't say he didn't know!!! You don't give a bigger hand out than that.
We should all voted for Ross when we had a chance!!!!!!

Ross Perot. I would have followed that little elfin basturd to the end of the earth. Smart man and very capable of running the company. Too bad most Americans were too scared to vote outside a party line.

Well said and very true.

  Now i have to agree with you??   lol  Well Said!!

I think I'm a "middle of the road" kind of man and I'm taking a serious look at Fred Thomson.  I'll be the first to admit I'm not completely up to speed on all current affairs but when I hear Thomson being interviewed or answering questions on a show, I like his no B.S. nature and a good portion of his opinions.     It is sad right now for the Democratic side because the options of voting for Hillary or Obama isn't really even an option for me personally.  I just wish the Democratic party would get a decent person to run. 

Who knows what you all think about this one,  but I really think since the loss last time, Al Gore has picked himself up, and has been contributing to society in a great way.  some disagree with his Green thinking ways etc, but to me he has shown that even being defeated, he still tries to be a servant to this country/world in another way.  I think if he was to run again, I would vote for him.  Even before Thomson.