ATV Florida Forum

well a friend of mine told me last weekend one of his boys wanted to race me, he has honda 450r, wit piston cam chip, fully built on stock crank, he got clocked at 91, so he says, i havnt clocked my bike yet,

well we raced last night out here on US-27 near Krome Ave, Miami, fl and he took off before me but w.e i caught up 3rd gear, and on 5th gear i was like 5 or 7 bikes infront of him n still pulling on him with easy....he got smoked just wanted 2 let everyone know  ;) im running 15/39 dunno wat my speed is should be mid or high 90's

First off a stock raptor isnt gonna hit the 90`s NO WAY in h#ll,
You may think it does, or it may feel like it. upper 70`s -maybe even low 80`s tops.

Second, Your real smart to come into an open forum and start talking about street racing on a hwy.. Peaple like you are the reason the rest of us responsible peaple lose places to ride.

 Just a little info for ya, there are several deputies on this site that are probably listening in to your "bragging" about your little street race.. DEE, DE, DEE ( Carlos Mencia)

My friends old 660 would loose to a stock 450r.All day and night.He didnt know how to drive back then tho.But he would loose pretty bad

A 450r will destroy a Yamaha. Trust me, I know.

In fact, the Honda is so fast that if you're not careful you may just travel back in time.

I know because I was dusting them up in Durhamtown all day long last time I was up there.

Obviously either your Friends buddy can't ride , or his bike is not running right , or your full of poo , possibly was a dream you were having that seemed real , or maybe the guy weighs 400 lbs , but in an equal match race of comparible bikes and riders the raptor will lose every time . I own one My friends have raptors I have raced them I have raced many raptors not been beat I am not saying its me but the bikes are built for two differant types of riding , Raptor has tons of bottom end and no top end , 450 has high rpm and top end power.

WHAT THE F&CK EVER.  WHO CARES.  Put it on the track and post some time slips.  No time slips or video of radar gun, means BULL$HIT.  Have the evidence to back up the claims, then I will believe you.

 ;)

yeah yeah, we get it.... put up or shut up, green light drops bullshit stops, yadda yadda yadda, every other post your saying the same damn thing acting like a hardass. chill out, you dont even have a bike but know people with fast banshees, ok cool everyone has a damn banshee it makes me sick listening to them babble back and forth about whos banshee is faster, no my banshee is faster, urrhhh

-102mm JE 11:1 piston  - stock is higher on a 450
-stage 3 hotcam
-ferrera 1mm oversized racing valves   1mm= .039 of an inch barley  1/32
-kibble white heavy duty valve springs   the stronger the spring the more power it robs but higher rpm before valve float

-head is ported and polished   Ported good Polished bad , better to have swirl marks left to better atomize the fuel polishing causes fuel to form droplets

-full big gun exhaust One of the lowest performers out there
-K&N air filter no lid  who doesn't have this
-L&A one starter clutch does nothing for power
-sprockets 15/39  gives more top end speed but the bike will not rev out like a 450 will .stoke is to long
-dynatek ignition/rev box If the other guys bike is built he should have a ignition as well


I still say B.S.
I build performance engines and parts for drag racing for a living been doing it for 15 years I have a small clue how stuff works.

I'm the fastest ATV rider on all of the internets! If you don't believe me, I'll send you an official email.  That thing wouldn't do 90mph if you dropped it off a cliff.

Dont be a HATER !!!!! Atleast we have something to talk about, other than some gayazz 80`s video.
 Also if it makes you so sick, then stay the h#ll out of the racing forum.

fisrt off you dont know sh*t smokedog is a hired jocky that rides for me and he can ride me bike any time he wants so shut the f**k up you gay ass little punk befor i biotch slap you

 :Clap.gif :Clap.gif :Clap.gif, Looks like youve been "Rick rolled"
 douche bag

Tell me just 1 place in this state where a race would involve speeds of 90 mph. We ride ATVs, they belong on dirt. There are no wide open deserts or dunes in Fl.  That craptor wont beat anyone on a MX track, a 300ft. drag track or on a fast XC track.

yamahas suck i beat a 660 on my predator by a mile honda 450's no prob its all about polaris.

Polaris, don't they make weed eaters? Or am I thinking of chainsaws?

Who would buy a Polaris ATV?

I think Rico is thinking of Poulan brand????
 Now if you were talking sleds, I would buy another Polaris, BUT not an atv, The just dont have the technology for those yet. They are trying, but they arent as good as they are on the sleds

It takes two hands to count the knobs on this thread. 2:L

I don't think I've ever been in 5 gear on any of the mx tracks locally or nationally. Its like arguing who is better looking Scarlet Johanson or Pamala Anderson, I doesn't really matter because you'll never get a chance to get with them anyways.
Exception for UncleRico! ;)

If you never use 5th gear, how do you go so fast? I mean, how do you win so many races? What's the secret?

Just for the record, the only way I would get with Pam Anderson and Scarlett Johansen is in some freaky three way, (because that's how Uncle Rico rolls)...and as I picture it in my head, there would be a little monkey in the room dressed in a bellhop's outfit playing the cymbals. Yeah..now that's the kind of party I want it to be.

Not for me, mind you, but I suspect those two chicks are FREAKY like that!

No, I'm thinking Polaris...I imagine pulling the seat cover off and looking down at the top of the engine and seeing a piece of Nylon line spinning in place of a crankshaft.

Weed eaters!

I'm just messing with you man, I know Polaris reputation from SLEDPORN!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yKqWnWbKeU  <-- Check out the Polaris in this vid.

I just remembered I track I'll get up and grab 5 gear. Waldo's straight away. I'm sorry I forgot, thats one long straight away!

450's fastest on the planet    enough said

Its no use the guy is 18 and knows everything can't tell him $h!t. LOOK OUT PROSTOCK , AND FUNNY CAR LOOK OUT JOHN FORCE WE HAVE THE HUMAN DYNO HERE AND HE IS GONNA BLOW YOUR DOORS OFF.

im pretty sure honda makes those right, my predator never breaks down unlike yamahas and is faster than them. ;)

I was gonna read what you wrote, but I got to the part about the age, and I checked your profile.

You're only 17...so I stopped right there and didn't read the rest. I figure you're too young to know wtf you're talking about.

I took what 450r said to be true. It's not like he's biased or anything. Plus, he once hooked up for a one nighter with Shirley Muldowney and Big Daddy Don Garlits in a freaky three way!

we'll keep trying with them ole POLARIS'
and we'll cut the the weeds (HONDA's and RAPTOR's) as we GO.
 :-*
I think our ole polaris holds it's own.......
YA'll coming to waresboro or what????????????

thanks  it's a 2wd 400express
it does pretty good
any of ya'll coming to the race in waresboro?????????
and yes smoke it is a utilty bike ;D ;D ;D
what's up
anybody gonna go drag racing

I am geting out, Just too far to keep driving for some fun.Plus as late as it is when I get home from Ga., My whole weekend is shot.

Know anyone looking for a drag bike Travis???

Hey, why are you navigating out of your kid's section.  You know this is where the big boys have the big toys.  Graduate from the kid's section then come talk $hit in here.  Oh by the way, let me know when you have that roll ready and we can race.

Yea and your gay ass video that you posted about 10 times made me sick

I 2nd that.

#1 I spelled it out to you in a previous post you still would not listen , so I said to myself "self what kind of person are we dealing with ? Hmm lets look at his profile ! oh I see he is a typical teenager who knows everything so no use arguing with a self proclaimed genius."

#2 Cubic inches or cubic centimeters do make a difference but so does head design and you can only do so much with porting to help , combustion chamber shape , valve angles , port height , Piston dome shape , flame travel ,  quench height , rod length , bore to stroke Ratio , wrist pin location , rotational mass of the rotaing assembly , Transmission efficiancy , HP to weight Ratio all make a huge differance . Just putting in a Hot cam stage 3 does not mean it is the best cam for his application either , A cam should be ground to match many other aspects of an engine , I believe the camshaft of an engine is its most single important part and if you want to make HP it better be matched perfectly to your combo or it will hurt you more than help you. A webb cam custom grind will add far more HP ,but you need to know the flow rate of the head , bore to stroke ratio , Peak RPM  , Shift RPM , weight of bike/rider combo , compression ratio and intended use of the cam Drag race or mx or xc it does make a differance.

#3 I said in a race amongst the described bikes the 450 would win the Race and I believe that still. and it is not becouse I own a Honda , I believe the Yamaha 450 would beat it as well and so would the Suzuki 450 and most likely the Kfx450 If they all had a pipe a basic ignition or cherry bomb and a good intake kit such as a pro flow or K&N.

#4 I have now typed out a complete explination of my reasoning , But I know it was a waste of time becouse you are 18 and no one can teach you anything you don't already know.

not right off Dyno but I will be asking around,hate to see ya'll quit!!! what do you got to have for it??
smoke no come back that hurts.. ;D ;D ;D
did Troy sell his?????????????????
and as far as fast I know a guy with a raptor he'll go 300ft or 1/8 mile
likes the 1/8 better pretty sure he can hold his own against a 450

oh yeah forgot he can hold his on with room to SPARE :-*
ain't calling nobody out because it's not mine,
but just saying what I know and I'm just a little over 18
all bull aside bring a 450 to waresboro we'll try you with a POLARIS
300ft  8) 8) 8) if you out run us good deal you run a heavy utility bike minus some plastic and racks
but if not you got run by 1 :'( :'( :-* :-* :-*

The Ford has larger shackle bolts. This makes it a stronger truck then the others.

I am sorry but those are not just big words I am throwing around they are Facts . And in no way am I trying to belittle you I have just learned over the years that some people just won't listen no matter what and typically it is people between the ages of 16-22 that are the most hard headed . I don't need to pull my head out of my azz becouse it is sitting squarely on my shoulders where it belongs . I Have tried telling you I DO THIS FOR A LIVING EVERY DAY FOR 11 HOURS 5-6 DAYS A WEEK FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS you where just getting out of diapers when I started Racing and building performance engines and performance parts I have just a wee bit more experiance in this department . Raptors have far more torque than a 450 which will help it get out of the hole faster but a 450 has high RPM H.P. which will pull hard till the engine would blow if not restricted by a rev limiter.

 A NHRA Pro Stock is limited to 500 C.I.  and will run 6.70 @208 mph in the quater and must weigh in at 2350 Lbs but a top dragster can have endless C.I. most are between 632 and 707 C.I. and they weigh in at 1850 pounds which is faster ?  They are close to the same . what is the differance . HIGH RPM H.P. it makes up for the weight advantage and the C.I. advantage. What engine has more torque ,the 632 has more than the 500 , where is the peak hp of the 632 , around 6800 rpm , how about the pro stock around 9600 rpm . a prostock  leaves the line at 8500 - 8700 rpm and shifts at 10,000  . A Harley with a 100 inch Revtech that is equiv to 1638 cc , will lose to a 1000 cc crotch rocket all day every day ,WHY High RPM HP , it wins every time . I have seen built Raptor engines on the dyno and built 450 engines I also have seen them stock on the dyno ,I have seen differant combo's of each run on the dyno ,I have seen built banshee engines on the dyno . You want a fast drag bike get a built Banshee High RPM horse power is phenominal and will toast a 450 or a 660 , but for low end torque and pulling power get the raptor want a good handling fast 4 stroke get any manufacturers 450 . I am not trying to be hard headed I have just been doing this for to long.

Show me this chart were a rapturd has 80 rwhp. on pump gas!

So is anybody coming to Waresboro????????????????
just wondering

Doubt it, I dont have the $$ to go, Troy is on vacation, Lupo has other engagments ???

i beat piped raptors with my 450 :)
and my gearing is set for lowend :)

He probably did win. Its all in the way its tuned. If the 450 isn't jetted in as good as the rapturd the rapturd wins. We all had our quads not run up to par before. That dyno chart pretty week, the hp drops off at 8500 rpm and its the smallest range I've ever seen. Its looks like a 2 stroke. I rather have a motor that runs at or over 50 hp from 8000 rpm to 12000 rpm. That would spank any peaky motor like your showing any day! ;)

It's not impossible for a Raptor to beat a TRX even when they are both running to there par. They are nice bikes but it is still a Honda.

And to clear up the speed issue a stock raptor goes 78.3. I put a Trinity exhaust, ignition, full intake and others and it now goes 95 and whenever i race 450R they are not in my sight once i hit 3rd gear.

what 450 where you racing?  :L

OK YOU WIN NO WAY COULD A 450 EVER BEAT A RAPTOR!

Why would he go around saying that if it werent true you ask ??


Probably the same reason some of the two stroke guys go around saying they have a true 350, stock craddle, no bar and made several 5.70 passes in the 1/8th. We all know thats B.S.
 But they feel that makes them "look" better.

All anyone who has objected to the post  is saying, DONT make the statements unless it can be proven.
 Just like saying it goes 95mph now with bolt on parts. Obviously you must have had it on a track, so wheres the time slip ??

 Any of us draggers have our slips to prove what we run, so lets see them

Here is mine ,I lost this Round due to breaking out during a bracket style race.

450crazy, I believe you.......
 But he must be running that Rapturd over a mile to get at 95mph,
 then the gearing to get that, the 450 would be gone........

Did you do that on a rapturd!

Hell NO    Honda 450r

do you have a video of that pass?  Never seen ANY 450 break into the 5's in the 1/8th.  Even the big boys with baddest 4 strokes are not claiming #'s like that.  Not to mention going a 1.3 60 ft. and then turning out a 3.8 at 330 ft. out, that is impossible for a 450r.  This seems like it is either a street bike or one bad a$$ car.  Gonna have to post a video to prove it to me.  If that was a 450r, you can go to planetsand and smoke anyone there, and that is hard to believe.

HUH, Thats what it says ???? I must be getting old, cuz I cannot read it anyway

yeah, dialed a 5.9 on an 1/8th mile track, broke out with a 5.879, cutting a .506 light, I assume on a pro tree of .400.  Not to bad of a light, but nothing to be impressed with.  The fastest 4 strokes on the planet are just now breaking the 4's in 300 ft. and this cat is going to throw up a time slip of 3.8's in 330 ft. on a  450 R.  BULL$HIT.  Show me some video of that streetbike running.  I mean it ran a 5.879 @ 118 mph in the 1/8th.  Sorry, but those are SERIOUS #'s for an ATV, and I haven't EVER seen a 4 stoke even come close to that.

Hey, I will tell you what.  I got a ride (little baby banshee motor), you name the price and I will run that 450r that ran those #'s on any track in florida.  You name the place, you name the price.  If I got the money to do it, I will sure let ya know.  If I am going to see a 450r run a 5.8, I want him to have the best seat in the house to see a 5.7 run all over his A$$.

I am sure that cat that has that queer a$$ song and video on every section of this forum will front you some money to race, since he is trying to bust my b@lls every chance he can get.  Actually he can come on out and get a video of some fast bikes if he would like, so he will have something worth posting a link to on an ATV forum.

do you think the 450R has won more races and championships than any other quad in history for no reason? or back to back baja 1000's? banshees are fast yes but a 450R is supreme at the racetrack, or any 450 class quad for that matter.....

your kidding right?  this thread is about straight up heads up drag racing.  honda 450r doesn't hold a candle to a banshee.  i will blow by the 450r's so dang fast you will be ordering you a new graphics kit for it, because it won't have any stickers on it.  mx track, tt track, gncc race, etc. a 450r might be able to get it done, but if you wanna run 300 ft. or 1/8th mile, i wouldn't even waste the gas money to crank a 450r up. 

that slip 450rcrazy posted cant be for a 4 stroke. thats phoney bologne. and that other raptor guy going 95 with a trinity exhaust and what ever else you got i think some one lied to you about your speed.

I know of that "baby motor" 421cc cubby !!! Jason can ride it ANYDAY of the week !!!!!!!!!
 I know I can come up with some $$$$ for that race as well ;D

Smoke whats your shee run and how many cc you got? Just curious!

I don't own a shee.  I just jockey (2) shee's. 
421 cc cub motor in a drag chassis (owned by Dynodon) best pass I have run would be 4.07 @ 88 mph in 300 ft. on a slow track.  This was first time at the track.
610 cc motor in a drag chassis (owned by Cutngrs) best pass I have run would be a 3.97 @ 88 mph in 300 ft. on a slow track.  This was first time at the track.
Both bikes will run consistent 3's on any track you take them too.

Thats pretty quick, is that on sand or pavement? Is the 610 a shee motor?
Can you make a LT5oo motor has fast as a shee?


 Just trying to pick you brain a little! ;)

in the dirt.  the 610 is banshee based.  the technology and research is not as great with the lt500 as the banshee's are.  I have not seen any lt500 do what the banshee based motors are doing. 

I noticed no one mentioned the rider. I suspect that the riders ability might have something to do with it.

Being the best rider ON this forum, (pretty much the entire internets for that matter), I could probably make up for the weaknesses of the raptor and beat someone on a 450r. But you have to remember, we're talking about the greatest ATV-er ever.

Of course, I prefer motocross, but it's fun to watch the Banshees street race for pink slips illegally up behind the Walmart.

On a 450r, I can beat any quad on a mx track.

I'm just sayin.

Put your money were your mouth is beeeeaaaatch!! I'll take u any day.
      Don't be scurd!!!!!!!

450r will shat on a 660.  Ok maybe not shat on but will win.  Quad Magazine did a shootout a YFZ450 vs 700r and the 450 wins but for trails 700r or 660 is better due to the fact that 450r is lower.  Still a Honda is a Honda so doesnt that already tell you its better?  And modded get an HRC power up kit for the 450r and 660/700 get cam and exhaust etc and the 450r will easily beat it then. 

who is this directed towards?

where was this information supplied from?

what year did they start to make the 450s

2004

I am comming clean the time slip I posted was real but I made that pass in My drag car which is powered by a 496CI BBC . This time slip was the first race pass I made on the car when I first completed it. AND the light was on a .500 full tree ! Everything about my background however is very true I have been building performance parts and engines for over 15 years now. The time slip was just to bust JohnF's balls a little , just having some fun.

nice looking car.

You big dog!!!!!!!  ;) Na that was for Mr. Rico. but if you what some bring that shee on a mx track. Thats my world!!!!!!! ;D

Yeah right, like we are gonna put a ridgid chassis drag bike on a mx track..... the return lanes at the drag tracks are already to rough.
But, now if ya think ya balls are BIG enough, just give us a holla, we dont hide, everyone knows where to find us. We would be more than happy to take your money too 8)

Don't wait by the phone!!! :D

I second that !!!

someone forgot to tell this fella that story, He called me up & tells me to bring my  Candy A$$ out to Jax Raceway. Somebody got schooled by a Yamaha.   

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y162/Chuck_Norris/JAX2.jpg)

Man look who got the Holeshot
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y162/Chuck_Norris/JAX1.jpg)

Here is my Time Slip to back it up


(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y162/Chuck_Norris/jaxsrace.jpg)


(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y162/Chuck_Norris/topspeed.jpg)


Here is another Yammi flat out gett'n it done P.S.  it is one of our local boys here that is hard to catch on the 300

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y162/Chuck_Norris/drags1011.jpg)

Thanks ! It was a lot of work to build.

here is another "local boy " thats hard to catch in the 300`