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Title: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: Ride1Rob on July 25, 2007, 12:17:38 PM
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HIGHLAND CITY - A 5-year-old boy is recovering after a family friend's pit bull mauled him Tuesday afternoon, the Polk Sheriff's Office said.

Martin Collier was a guest at the home of Scott Gawtrey, of 4619 Great Blue Heron Drive in Highland City, about 3:30 p.m. when the attack happened.

Gawtrey's pit bull bit Martin on the head, face, arm and legs, according to the Sheriff's Office. Martin was flown to St. Joseph's Children's Hospital in Tampa by helicopter and needed more than 50 sutures in his scalp, a 3-inch piece of which was missing, and more than 200 sutures on his top lip.

Martin suffered three or four punctures on his left forearm, between 13 and 15 punctures on his left leg and two punctures on his right leg. Despite his extensive injuries, doctors expected to release Martin on Tuesday night.

His family declined comment through the Sheriff's Office.

Gawtrey surrendered the pit bull that attacked Martin to Sheriff's Office Animal Control officers, Sheriff's Office spokeswoman Carrie Rodgers said. The 5-year-old dog is being kept in quarantine while the attack is investigated.

Neighbor Michael Dodge, 27, said Gawtrey and his wife have lived in the dark beige corner home since August and kept two pit bulls.

He would see the couple walking the dogs shortly after they moved in, but after erecting a privacy fence around their backyard, they stopped.

"Even (next-door neighbors) said they forgot they had them," he said.

From what little he saw of them, Dodge said the dogs seemed friendly, and they were quiet.

Another neighboring couple walking their three dogs Tuesday night said they spoke with the Gawtreys after the attack and Scott Gawtrey told them he's raised the pit bull that attacked Martin since it was a puppy. However, after Tuesday's events, he turned over both of his dogs to Animal Control out of fear that they may become violent again, next time against his own child, the couple said, declining to give their names.

Nobody answered the door on two separate visits to the Gawtrey home Tuesday evening.

The last incident involving pit bulls in Polk happened in January 2005, when a pair of dogs attacked 10-year-old Jesus Arriaga as he walked to school in Lakeland. Arriaga suffered minor injuries.






Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: blupits04 on July 25, 2007, 05:19:07 PM
The sheriff's office gave the following account: around 3:45 p.m. on Tuesday, deputies were called to 4619 Great Heron Blue Drive in Highland City, the home of Scott and Cassie Gawtrey, after it was reported that a child had been bitten severely by a pit bull. Witnesses told officers that Collier and his mother Tonette Hayward, who live in Lakeland, were visiting their good friends the Gawtreys at their Highland City home. The Gawtreys' 5-year-old red nose pit bull Dozer gained entry into the home by pushing open a sliding glass door and approached Collier, who was sitting on the living room couch. Dozer began licking Collier. Reports varied, but it appears that either Collier or his mother, or both of them, at some point screamed, and immediately after that, Dozer grabbed Collier by the head and face with his teeth and began biting him all over his head and body. Another friend at the home was able to get the dog off of the boy and put the dog into a bathroom.


The Gawtreys voluntarily surrendered Dozer and their other pit bull dog, Trinity, to Polk County Animal Control, where both dogs will remain under quarantine. Dozer does not have documented rabies vaccination, and the owners will be cited for that, sheriff's spokeswoman Carrie Rodgers said. After a 10-day waiting period to determine if Dozer tests positive for rabies, he will be euthanized, along with Trinity, who exhibits signs that she cannot be adopted out, Rodgers said today.

Seems to me the dogs were either being abused or have been hit at before. Especially if both dogs show signs of aggression.

I just saw on the news where they said the boy was being spanked and then the dog attacked.

 I don't know exactly what happened and like many others no one else will b/c the story seems to change everytime I see/hear it. The also said the man gave up both of his pits b/c he was afraid they would attack... Anyone who has ever raised a pit since a puppy knows how loyal and protective they are, so either something happened to scare the dog or maybe I miss understood the news and someone tried to spank the dog.Either way it's a tragedy and I feel for the boy. Yet another bad rap on the pits b/c no one can account for what REALLY happened.



Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: Turboderf on July 25, 2007, 06:05:44 PM
WoW thats crazy


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: quadracer1992 on July 25, 2007, 09:43:56 PM
Thats insane.


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: trx#9 on July 25, 2007, 10:34:41 PM
I don't break, for pit bulls! :drive.gif


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: bigwake on July 25, 2007, 11:00:06 PM
that reeeaaaaalllly sux! its all michael vick's fault though..that idiot!


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: gearhead400 on July 25, 2007, 11:39:59 PM
yea, vick is a scum bag. Sucks these things happen. Hope to boy recovers alright. Good looking pit too, its a shame, he doesnt even know what he did wrong. 


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: yfz450runner on July 25, 2007, 11:40:38 PM
i also do not brake for pits. :drive.gif how many inoccent people have to get maulled or injured before something gets done about it. those dogs are very unpredictable and should not be trusted at all!!!!!!!!! and for that matter people who post on here trying to get rid of there pits, there thread should be taken off before someone who we ride with gets badly injured. >:( in some counties in miami owning a pit is illeagal. i beleive all pits should be illeagal. :banghead.gif  just my 2 cents....... :X


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: blupits04 on July 25, 2007, 11:54:20 PM
i also do not brake for pits. :drive.gif how many inoccent people have to get maulled or injured before something gets done about it. those dogs are very unpredictable and should not be trusted at all!!!!!!!!! and for that matter people who post on here trying to get rid of there pits, there thread should be taken off before someone who we ride with gets badly injured. >:( in some counties in miami owning a pit is illeagal. i beleive all pits should be illeagal. :banghead.gif  just my 2 cents....... :X


well hopefully after using your last 2 cents your now broke and we don't have to hear your ignorant ramblings. Ask any pit owner on here if the believe anything you just said and i'm sure you'll get more than $.02 worth. As for the comment about people who are trying to get rid of there pits.... it's ignorant, unknowledgable people like you who do stupid stuff to instigate a pit to where they are just protecting themselves or their owners. To put it where you might understand.... Most of the pits who have attacked are pits who have been abused or neglected and are just trying to protect themselves, Lets say someone comes up to you and swings are you just gonna stand there or are you gonna fight back? Tell the truth now I don't know one person who wouldn't try to protect themselves.  I guarantee you'd brake for my pits if they were out..it'd be a shame to lose a nice vehicle over a dog :)


that's just part of my $.02 for ya

By the way other than Shirah, Big Daddy,  And Trojan who all own pits on here?


Kari


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: sparkplug01 on July 26, 2007, 12:02:32 AM
You talk like you haven't ever owned a pit.So your fine to hate all you want.but It's all in how they've been raised.I raise them and sell them and have never had a bad one yet.But I will say I bet you want ever lay a hand on any one of my three kids in a mean manner.but at the same time my pit will play with anyone at any time just dont mess with the kids and your ok.you talk from your own ignorance , dont blame the dog for that.And the only dog I ever had that would bite for no reason was a German shepherd .......owe well you want to buy a pit?I have a whole litter for sale right now.And for the record I am very sorry to here about the little kid getting bit,but I bet if the truth was known the owner had raised the dog to be mean or abused .


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: bigwake on July 26, 2007, 12:52:54 AM
i've never owned a pit..but it WOULD seem that its in how they are raised..i mean maybe they have some aggression in their nature..but if in the right home and cared for right..they would be fine dogs..the violent pits are trained that way..or were abused as pups and when they are bought when older..then the owners say after it attacks someone "its never been mean or anything" yet it was abused as a pup


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: gearhead400 on July 26, 2007, 07:36:56 AM
i've never owned a pit..but it WOULD seem that its in how they are raised..i mean maybe they have some aggression in their nature..but if in the right home and cared for right..they would be fine dogs..the violent pits are trained that way..or were abused as pups and when they are bought when older..then the owners say after it attacks someone "its never been mean or anything" yet it was abused as a pup

thats very true, my unlce has two of them and they are the biggest pansy's.


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: KB on July 26, 2007, 07:46:48 AM
blupit's, I'm w/ you on this one again too. I LOVE PIT BULL'S !!!

It's how there raised, as soon as the media hear's the word "pit-bull" they have them a story, I feel bad for the little boy that got mauled, if it was my kid the dog would be dead, then if the dog was abused, I'd find the abuser.

I wonder how many times a kid/adult was mauled by another dog that wasn't a pit, & we never even hear about it because it wasn't a pit ?

But let's not get this topic into a flame like the last one we had here, too many people don't know the dog/breed, & know only about as much as some of these new's reporter's IMO.

I know some pit's that are the sweetest dog's I've ever seen, they'll lick you to death (no pun intended) IT'S HOW THEY ARE RAISED, JUST LIKE HOW PEOPLE RAISE THERE CHILDREN, then there children turn into a John Couey or some other nasty freak.


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: budman on July 26, 2007, 08:23:33 AM
All dogs can bite. They are animals. They all can be unpredictable at times. The rap against pits is they have extremely strong jaws and therefore are the ultimate fighting dog. They can be aggressive, but so can a poodle. Hell, I know a guy who's dachshund would bite the crap out of you. If his jaws were like a pit, your a$$ would be grass. I have owned pits. But I am also wary of owners with them. Most pit owners like the fact that their breed is feared. Not all, but most. This is coming from a former pit owner of lovable pits.......


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: budman on July 26, 2007, 08:27:42 AM
ok, before I get flamed....maybe I should not say "most"....a heluva lot would be more appropriate


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: Da_Mtg_Man on July 26, 2007, 08:40:16 AM
All dogs can bite. They are animals. They all can be unpredictable at times. The rap against pits is they have extremely strong jaws and therefore are the ultimate fighting dog. They can be aggressive, but so can a poodle. Hell, I know a guy who's dachshund would bite the crap out of you. If his jaws were like a pit, your a$$ would be grass. I have owned pits. But I am also wary of owners with them. Most pit owners like the fact that their breed is feared. Not all, but most. This is coming from a former pit owner of lovable pits.......

I'm with ya Budman, We raised a Am Staff from a pup when I was young and it was the best dog we've ever owned. He was the best tempered dog but at the same time, Let someone show aggression to one of us kids. He would run and play all day long with us and then crash out on the fllor in the living room while we all weatched tv at night.
As Mike said, All dogs have some sort of aggression but pits have  jaws that lock so they just get a bad rap. Also, Dogs don't attack unless provoked. We don't know the whole story and never will but my guess is that the dog got a finger in the eye or something along those lines. All kids do it.


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: blupits04 on July 26, 2007, 08:45:26 AM
I had a min pin puppy that was abused as a pup he was 2 and raised around kids, he was fine until my son went to pick him up one day and he turned and bit him in the face. Luckily it was only a small bite on his lip but non the less I got rid of him. The lady that owns him now said he's a sweetheart and wouldn't hurt a fly, but she doesn't have kids.


As my hubby(sparkplug01)  said it's all in how they are raised. I can tell our dogs to go to their pen and they go (I wish it was that easy with kids :(  lol ) My 3yr old can go outside and play with Trixie and she'll stay right by her side if she goes where she's not supposed to Trixie will turn her around. When she's done playing she'll tell her to go to her pen and she'll go...How many other dogs do you know that will listen to a 3yr old? No matter who's kids come over she's amazing with them she watches them like they were her own and is very protective. If someone pulls in the yard while they are out she doesn't leave their side she stays with them until the vehicle stops and she's called away.

5 min after having her first couple of pups I went outside and picked them up sat down with her and played with her while she had another one. She never showed any sign of aggression.


Our Males we had never showed any aggression unless they were threatened. The people that have them now say they are great they are very protective. Cowboy's new owner was pregnant when they first got him, the baby is now 3 months old and he won't let anyone near the baby unless they say it's ok. He sleeps by the door and wakes up when the baby cries.


Anyone who has bad mouthed the pits has never owned a pit or they have only been around abused ones.

And you'll have a hell of a fight on your hands if you wanna talk crap about them cuz I will argue with you about them until I'm blue in the face! I'll never be convinced until I see one of mine turn. People can say whatever they want when something bad happens no one wants to take the blame and say they abused the dog or made it mean and thats why it attacked.

Most of the pits who are shown on TV that have attacked are mixed they aren't even full blooded pits, most are mixed with chow, rottie, boxer, dobie, or lab... you mix anything and you could have problems. But again it's all in how you raise them....Back when I was little Chows were the ones you saw in the news all the time.


And the reason it's illegal in Miami to have pits is b/c of all the fighting rings down there. Not b/c of the breed.

True Budman very True


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: Joedirt on July 26, 2007, 08:56:02 AM
Why are the people who do not like Pit Bulls "Ignorant Ramblers"??


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: yfz450runner on July 26, 2007, 08:56:38 AM
Ignorant........ i think not! check the papers and the news,  most of the pits that have attacked recently hade great owners and were never abused. the owners were quaoted as saying " i dont understand were this came from, he or she is the sweetest dog".  As for you people who defend pits, one day you will wake up and see the light. hopefully it wont be a loved one in the mouth of a pit. the breed should be halted and all pits should be e-chiped so they can be moniterd all the time. it is true that many breeds of dogs can bite or even turn on an owner, they are only dogs, but pits do it alot. that can not be denied. it is also true that it is how you bring up a dog. treat it mean and it will eventually turn. and of course there are some extensuating surcomstanses that will make a dog go bad too. but once again pits seem to be the exception. and turn more often than many other breeds.
Quote;

  "I guarantee you'd brake for my pits if they were out..it'd be a shame to lose a nice vehicle over a dog"  blupits04

if this is a threat ...bring it on!!!! and no i would not worry about losing my vehicle. the tires are big enough were if i hit one i would not feel it!!!!

i am a big dog lover and own 2 great dogs.i plan on getting more dogs in the near future. but a pit wont be one.  thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: budman on July 26, 2007, 09:01:09 AM
Why are the people who do not like Pit Bulls "Ignorant Ramblers"??

Ignorant Rambler:
1. anyone who has a different opinion than yours.
2. An American Motors car made between 1954 and 1969 that doesn't know
 sh!t about pit bulls....     :P


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: Joedirt on July 26, 2007, 09:02:17 AM
Why are the people who do not like Pit Bulls "Ignorant Ramblers"??

Ignorant Rambler:
1. anyone who has a different opinion than yours.
2. An American Motors car made between 1954 and 1969 that doesn't know
 sh!t about pit bulls....     :P


LMAO....


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: shirah86 on July 26, 2007, 09:07:44 AM
bro u are bout as ignorant as they come, i know alot of deputies that have been aroung dog bite incidents the majority of them are smaller dogs maybe 1 in 10 is a pit if that, pits are pretty much the scapegoat for all dog bites anytime a dog bite is mentioned first thought is that it was a pit, so go drive around with your big tires  and  u will see the light, lying on your back after youve ran over somebodys dog-----


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: yfz450runner on July 26, 2007, 09:16:12 AM
once again " ignorant  not me"  educated and know the truth,,  yeah thats me. as far as cops go  most will lie and tell you what you want to hear, but that is a different thread. pits are dangerous and not good dogs. great for defending a junk yard, but not a kid. you all can keep defending your pits and i am sure they are a great dog for you. hopefully they never become crazy or turn on you and they live a long happy life. i will never own one and will tell anybody who asks what kind of bread dog they should get, not to get a pit. this has been a fun thread but lame and boring now. good luck to all of you pit owners. ;)


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: MOTOCROSS MAVERICK on July 26, 2007, 09:17:49 AM
i also do not brake for pits. :drive.gif how many Innocent people have to get maulled or injured before something gets done about it. those dogs are very unpredictable and should not be trusted at all!!!!!!!!! and for that matter people who post on here trying to get rid of there pits, there thread should be taken off before someone who we ride with gets badly injured. >:( in some counties in Miami owning a pit is illegal. i believe all pits should be illegal. :banghead.gif just my 2 cents....... :X

so with this comment is it safe to say that how many people have to get hurt on ATV's before something gets done about it! doest sound fair does it? that is one of the most ignorant commets i have ever read on this site! i bet you didn't get change for your 2 cents! my dad has owned pits my whole life and they are some of the best dogs you can own! how many pits have you owned? i always hear from people that they got bit by a Doberman, rot, or some other dog but you don't hear that on the news! you only hear about pits because of there power and rap!


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: Bigscrb15 on July 26, 2007, 09:22:00 AM
Maybe we should ban porcupines too!!!!

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Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: caospop on July 26, 2007, 09:22:10 AM
Guys please dont blame the dog or the breed. I worked with police K-9's for some time now (about 2 years) ive seen some really weird SH*T. Ive seen some GSD's  and B.M.'s that will put some pits to shame on there persona. Pit are great dogs. THE OWNER just has to know what he has on his hands with that dog. I own an imported GSD with protection training under his belt,I know my dog i know what he looks like when he feels ancy. As a responsible dog owner that ANIMAL(lets not forget what he really is now) he is under my care and I an responsible for what he does or not does.  Ive only had to deal with one bite from my dog, I guess the guy was illiterate or just nuts. dont try to out run there dog they will get you especially if your still in the yard !!!! Dogs cant tell if you small or large they just know if you are a threat or not .


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: shirah86 on July 26, 2007, 09:24:18 AM
is everybody in deltona as (lame) and senseless as you?  :N


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: Joedirt on July 26, 2007, 09:28:07 AM
 ::) I think we should ban anyone that can not debate a topic like a rational, intelligent human being.


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: Bigscrb15 on July 26, 2007, 09:29:05 AM
::) I think we should ban anyone that can not debate a topic like a rational, intelligent human being.

half the website would be banned......... sounds like a good idea.


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: caospop on July 26, 2007, 09:29:50 AM
is everybody in deltona as (lame) and senseless as you?  :N
Buddy what a beutifull Pit. they are beutiful dogs. can i start a thread about the two presa canrios mauled a lady and the owners are the ones doing time.
How about the one of the rotties.
How about this next time i get a prisoner at the jail that i work at with a dog bite i will post a pic of the bite. maybe we can try to ban GSD and BM's all at the same time. Cause they are just doing what comes natually to them also.


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: IXIswamperIXI on July 26, 2007, 09:35:06 AM
you have a baby boy or girl... is it worth the risk (that you might hurt you infant) to prove a point that dogs don't bite.  To prove that you trained your dog correctly.  I can't believe people are ok to try to prove something in thier own head.  ANY dog, cat, or animal can hurt your baby.  Why risk it, why put your kid in a position that the adults create to prove a point.  Priorities are all screwed up.  This is not a bash agianst pitbulls just any dog or cat or animal (could you imagine a 10' python wraped around a baby and someone saying he has NEVER hurt anyone and I have raised him never to hurt anyone)  That just makes it all ok.  That is sad.   :banghead.gif


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: caospop on July 26, 2007, 09:37:44 AM
you have a baby boy or girl... is it worth the risk (that you might hurt you infant) to prove a point that dogs don't bite.  To prove that you trained your dog correctly.  I can't believe people are ok to try to prove something in thier own head.  ANY dog, cat, or animal can hurt your baby.  Why risk it, why put your kid in a position that the adults create to prove a point.  Priorities are all screwed up.  This is not a bash agianst pitbulls just any dog or cat or animal (could you imagine a 10' python wraped around a baby and someone saying he has NEVER hurt anyone and I have raised him never to hurt anyone)  That just makes it all ok.  That is sad.   :banghead.gif

funny you said that now that i think about it my 8yo has been hurt more buy a cat that my 90lbs GSD . Go figure...


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: shirah86 on July 26, 2007, 09:46:26 AM

As much as I love my pits and know that they would not hurt a child, I will not let them be around children as I wont let my girlfriends little tiny dogs get to close to a childs face you honestly never know when something could happen so I try to prevent it even though I dont think they will, People should'nt generalize these dogs as killers just because bad owners give these things a bad name


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: ZRIDER on July 26, 2007, 09:52:33 AM
I'll jump in here.  I've never owned a pit or would ever own a pit.  But, I used to hog hunt when I was younger, and a lot of my friends had them.  They were very loyal dogs and great hunting dogs.  Like everyone else said pits get bad raps because of their ability to bite hard and  be agressive.  The major problem is with the owners.  If you have someone in your house why not put the protective dogs up.  I have a Black Lab and when somebody new comes in my house he goes into the laundry room.  I think he wouldn't hurt a fly, but he is very protective of my daughter and my son so why take the chance. 

I feel for the the boy and and his family, and I have an idea what he is going through and will go through.  My wife was attacked the same way when she was five.  Her mother called their neighbors to borrow some butter.  My wife was sent over to get it.  She knocked on the door and was told to come in.  As she entered the neighbors pit bull named Max woke up and ran at her knocking her to the ground.  He then latched on to her lip and jaw and locked his teeth.  The owners got him off but the damage was already done. They rushed her to the hospital and she had multiple surgeries to repair the damage.  The dog was not taken by animal control because my father in-law shot it in their front yard.  The dog was not a bad dog it was just trying to be protective.  If the neighbors would have just locked their dog up it would of saved a lot of people some pain, just like in this case.       


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: IXIswamperIXI on July 26, 2007, 09:57:06 AM

As much as I love my pits and know that they would not hurt a child, I will not let them be around children as I wont let my girlfriends little tiny dogs get to close to a childs face you honestly never know when something could happen so I try to prevent it even though I dont think they will, People should'nt generalize these dogs as killers just because bad owners give these things a bad name

That is exactly how I feel!


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: blupits04 on July 26, 2007, 10:05:19 AM
First off I don't put my kids out there to play with the dogs alone and I'm not using my kids to prove a point. I trust my dogs, and my kids know not to get in their faces. The play ball with them and run around the yard the don't wrestle or fight with them. I agree any animal can bite so what makes it any different than owning a parrot or a cat? You trust your animals for what they are animals. I don't put my kids in dangerous situations for any reason. My kids are 7,6 and 3.5 not small little babies. The people who got our male has a baby, what they do is their business. I didn't say they let the infant down with the him I said he slept by the door and kept watch over her. IMO I don't think he would do anything to hurt the baby but I raised him from the time he was 4 weeks old and he was 3yrs old when I got rid of him last year. I didn't want anymore litters so I got rid of him. Then we ended up taking in a male as a rescue and I have regretted getting rid of him.  You show your dogs trust and respect and they will be loyal and protective. You abuse them and you get a dangerous vicious animal.




Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: blupits04 on July 26, 2007, 10:06:40 AM
::) I think we should ban anyone that can not debate a topic like a rational, intelligent human being.

lol man if bones did that I think the site would be shut down!


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: 06LimitedPred on July 26, 2007, 10:08:48 AM
Don't blame the breed?

Are you kidding me? Would you mind telling me what all dog breeds have in common? Their breed largely determines what they are capable of and how they will behave, that is the purpose of breeding. Pits are killers, they were bred that way! Once they attack they attack to kill, unlike many other breeds that might snap or bite, they usually will stop the attack by themselves, when commanded to do so, when the attackee beats them off, PITS don't do that, they will continue to attack regardless of anything. Destroy the breed!


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: MOTOCROSS MAVERICK on July 26, 2007, 10:14:31 AM
people die eveyday in cars! ban cars!


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: budman on July 26, 2007, 10:16:03 AM
People die of natural causes!!!! Ban Nature!!! Ban anything Natural!!!!
People die of heart attacks, and nobody is asking why these hearts are attacking!!!


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: Da_Mtg_Man on July 26, 2007, 10:30:19 AM
Don't blame the breed?

Are you kidding me? Would you mind telling me what all dog breeds have in common? Their breed largely determines what they are capable of and how they will behave, that is the purpose of breeding. Pits are killers, they were bred that way! Once they attack they attack to kill, unlike many other breeds that might snap or bite, they usually will stop the attack by themselves, when commanded to do so, when the attackee beats them off, PITS don't do that, they will continue to attack regardless of anything. Destroy the breed!

You're dead wrong, My grandparents have had Boston Terriers for the past 45 years. These are little 15-25 lb dogs. I remember one time when I was a kid and walking the dogs with my grandfather, A Doby came charging across their yard in attack mode (approx 70LBS). This little 20lb terrier sat down and waited, when the Doby got to him he jumped and latched on to the Doby's throat, Within 3 minutes the Doby was dead. All dogs will attack when they are threatened. It's not just a Pit Bull thing.


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: IXIswamperIXI on July 26, 2007, 10:31:59 AM
People die of natural causes!!!! Ban Nature!!! Ban anything Natural!!!!
People die of heart attacks, and nobody is asking why these hearts are attacking!!!

LOL the goverment is just going to ban anything that CAUSES heart attacks LOL lets make this a goverment is getting into our lives topic LMAO


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: GrizzlyGator on July 26, 2007, 10:32:32 AM
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Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: blupits04 on July 26, 2007, 10:33:40 AM
Don't blame the breed?

Are you kidding me? Would you mind telling me what all dog breeds have in common? Their breed largely determines what they are capable of and how they will behave, that is the purpose of breeding. Pits are killers, they were bred that way! Once they attack they attack to kill, unlike many other breeds that might snap or bite, they usually will stop the attack by themselves, when commanded to do so, when the attackee beats them off, PITS don't do that, they will continue to attack regardless of anything. Destroy the breed!


I can tell you what they have in common...the all have mouths, sharp teeth, heads, bodies and atleast part of a tail!

You have to be the dumbest person I have ever read a post of. Pits don't attack to kill unless they are trained to. ( pits who are hog dogs are thrown into pens with adult wild hogs who almost kill them, thats how they are trained.. they don't just get a pit and say catch from day 1 and they do it.) Until you own a pit don't judge them. Destroy the breed???? Destroy ignorant people there's alot more of them and they make people get violent!

as the great Red Foreman says "Dumb Ass!"


thats a bad ass Boston there! Ours only snored and waddled but when she went blind she got mean.


Can Am what kinda dog is that??? It's not a pit looks like a Yellow Lab or Golden Ret.



Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: GrizzlyGator on July 26, 2007, 10:37:15 AM
Can Am what kinda dog is that??? It's not a pit looks like a Yellow Lab or Golden Ret.


I was just told by a PITBULL breader that it is a rednose "cowboy"  ;D hungry for some vick @$$


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: Da_Mtg_Man on July 26, 2007, 10:44:33 AM
It looks like a very healthy Rhodesian Ridgeback but not positive.


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: GrizzlyGator on July 26, 2007, 10:47:25 AM
 
 



Other Common Names:  Bull and Terrier Dog, Pit Bull, Pit Bull Terrier, American Pit Bull

Scientific Name:  Canis familiaris  (Full Taxonomy)

Group:  Terriers

Origin or Range:  United States

Relative Size:  Average 
    (as compared to other dogs)

Average Lifespan:  12 year(s)

Compatibility:  Relatively Aggressive   
    (as compared to other dogs)

Category:  Mammals » Dogs
 
 
Animal Description:  Breed Standard
The American Pit Bull was developed in the 19th century. This breed was originally bred for use in dog fights, though today they are most commonly seen as companion animals. The most famous American Pit Bull may be "Petey" from the movie "Our Gang" - also known as "Little Rascals".

The American Pit Bull is a wonderfully loyal dog. They make terrific pets and do well in a variety of family settings. If selected from a reputable breeder for gentle temperament, along with early socialization and training, the American Pit Bull Terrier will grow into a healthy and mild-tempered dog. As a family protector, they are intelligent and obedient, sweet and selfless. They have also done well as dogs for handicapped owners and dogs for families with small children. They can be particularly strong-willed and aloof as pups, making early training necessary. Because they are dominant creatures, they will need to learn from the very start who is in control. Potential owners who are mild-mannered should not consider this breed. Though sometimes hard to train, they are responsive, and they will learn to do without having to be yanked, jerked, or otherwise punished. They should be trained with consistency and love. The Pit Bull has developed a bad reputation over the years, due largely to bad handling on the parts of the owners. An American Put Bull who has been properly trained and socialized can make a great pet, though they may not be suitable for first time dog owners.

At maturity, American Pit Bull Terriers will reach a height of 18 to 22 inches and weigh between 30 and 70 pounds. They are short and thickly built dogs with powerful square jaws. Their coats are short and shiny coming in all colors and markings, including brindle, white with patches, black, and red. Their short coats require little grooming.

Crossing Staffordshire Bull Terriers and extinct fighting bulldogs originally began the American Pit Bull Terrier's existence. They were created in the 19th century for dog fighting because of their high tolerance for pain and aggressive nature.
 
 
Specific Care Information:  Relative Care Ease: Relatively Difficult 
They are very healthy dogs, suffering from only a few diseases and ailments, including hip dysplasia, cataracts, and some tumors. It has been reported that this breed may be more susceptible than some to mange. It has also been reported that this breed has an L shaped ear canal and very sensitive ears that require cleaning a couple of times a month.

Again, early training and obtaining a dog from a reputable breeder is a must with this breed.
 


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: GrizzlyGator on July 26, 2007, 10:52:54 AM
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Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: GrizzlyGator on July 26, 2007, 11:01:11 AM
DISCLAIMER: These r not mine a friend of mine at work is selling these if your interested take a look!

3 pitbulls
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Date: 2007-07-25, 9:41PM

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Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: caospop on July 26, 2007, 11:07:28 AM
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Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: sykolincoln on July 26, 2007, 11:37:32 AM
People die of natural causes!!!! Ban Nature!!! Ban anything Natural!!!!
People die of heart attacks, and nobody is asking why these hearts are attacking!!!

omfg!! I've never laughed so hard!

on a side note, years ago a girl I dated had a awesome pit named BIG D any way at the time my daughter was 3-4 and his personality was awesome she tugged and yanked and rolled all over this dog, he wa a big baby, I wouldnt hesitate on getting another one. Also about a year ago I lost my best dog :'( A doberman named BROCK he was the largest doberman I have ever seen and had a menacing posture, but once again my daughter would chase, grab, ride and yank him around, and he would follow her around like a shadow, he was very protective of her and my dying father, and every night would sleep by his bedside untill the next day when he got up, he also never would leave my dads side unless told to. Dogs can the best freinds for sure especially if they are treated correctly, all I have ever owned are large breed so called Fierce dogs and never in my 28 years has one attacked me or harmed me in any way.


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: TRX450R_Racer on July 26, 2007, 11:40:12 AM
All dogs can be aggressive. A Chihuahua almost killed my Doberman once.
































He was chocking on it. LOL


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: Da_Mtg_Man on July 26, 2007, 11:43:07 AM
 :Clap.gif....Now thats funny right there,I don't care who you are.


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: Ride1Rob on July 26, 2007, 03:52:47 PM
One thing that I've gathered from reading all you guys posts... DOGS CAN BE UNPREDICTABLE!!! They have mentallities just like humans. To the peeps that say that the pits that bite were abused or have bad owners think of it in terms as this. How many times we've seen kids go hay wild that come from loving homes? How many times have people that were A students and never got into trouble changed and all of sudden become violent? Dogs (No matter what breed) are living, breathing, thinking beings just like we are. They have mood swings just as we do. They have temperments (sp) just like we do. They can turn for the worst just like we can. Don't be naive into thinking that nothing will ever happen! How many times have we seen we where cubs or tigers have attacked their owners who have shown these animals nothing but love? They all have aggressive natures! A bite from a pit is going to be more lethal than any other dog out there. Like stated before, they're willing to fight until thier dead.

There's a guy that I ride ATV's with that lives not even 2miles from me. His pit stays in his garage and I can tell you he's not abused and isn't a fight dog. When I take my 6yr old over to his house he has to put him in the pen. Even when in the pen he's going crazy looking at my son. The dog is a good dog and when my son isn't around I play with him and he often jumps and licks on me. My son has never even been close to this dog b/c I for one won't take ANY chances with this dog possibly snatching my son up in a instant. My friend has no kids and really other than me and a couple others the dog is not around alot of people because of his aggressive nature. And this is not just Pits but dogs of all breeds can be like this. It's just the fact that the pit will be ready to die before he intends on retreating that is what's so scary.


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: blupits04 on July 26, 2007, 05:00:44 PM
Another reason they get aggressive is if they are very closely inbred. It's like people from Alabama you piss them off and all hell breaks loose :) It's the way their DNA is messed up from having the strands so close together.... Again it's like any other animal it's all about their surroundings and if they are being threatened.


As for the YFZ's comment about it being a threat drive by and find out I guarantee my aim is as good as your big tires and my hubby's truck has big tires too....either way I don't miss :) My dogs are like my kids you threaten them or my family you better be able to back it up


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: gearhead400 on July 26, 2007, 05:13:38 PM
best post of this thread rob :Clap.gif totally agree


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: trx#9 on July 26, 2007, 05:21:21 PM
Taste like chicken!


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: rubicon500kid on July 26, 2007, 05:48:13 PM
i have owned a pit and realy want to get another but cant down here in dade county (it sucks here )
i love pits they are great dogs

my aunt was mauled by a pit about 10 years ago,almost killed her .. but it wasnt the dogs falt it was the owners they used to abuse it and hit it all the time.

my aunt now owns a pit and she even says its not the bread

some ppl are just very narrow minded.........


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: Sleazy_Rider78 on July 26, 2007, 06:25:15 PM
I never knew this site had so many MasterDebaters.


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: Ride1Rob on July 26, 2007, 06:36:36 PM
Here's some video of the dog guys. He looks pretty docile, but the sheriff said he again tried to attack one of the animal control officers this morning. In the end, you can see a female animal control officer put her hand in the cage and the dog licks her fingers. Like I said, unpredictable.

http://www.lakelandledger.com/article/20070726/NEWS/707260531


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: MOTOCROSS MAVERICK on July 26, 2007, 06:39:56 PM
did that guy say 50 bites to the back of the head? i think that might be a little stretched.


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: Ride1Rob on July 26, 2007, 06:44:59 PM
did that guy say 50 bites to the back of the head? i think that might be a little stretched.

I quarrantee you one thing Eric, if the Sheriff said it he has his homework done  ;) . But whether it's 50 bites or 1 bite, it's too many  :(  !


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: MOTOCROSS MAVERICK on July 26, 2007, 06:49:52 PM
did that guy say 50 bites to the back of the head? i think that might be a little stretched.

I quarrantee you one thing Eric, if the Sheriff said it he has his homework done  ;) . But whether it's 50 bites or 1 bite, it's too many  :(  !

oh i agree with you rob.

i just dont know how it could have been so many with people around?


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: blupits04 on July 26, 2007, 07:32:38 PM
I don't condone the dog attacking and I don't dispute the fact she should be put down but it seems to me that they are over doing it a little b/c it was a pit. 50 times is a lil hard to believe from what the news paper said it was about 22

He also took 200 stitches to his top lip and suffered two punctures behind his right ear, three or four punctures on his left forearm, about 14 on his left leg and two on his right leg.


I think the best way to characterize all the people bashing pits is "Narrow minded".

Maybe one day you'll grow up and see what alot of us already see..sweet, loving, loyal and protective companions who are critisized b/c of a few.


 


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: IXIswamperIXI on July 26, 2007, 08:26:21 PM
One thing that I've gathered from reading all you guys posts... DOGS CAN BE UNPREDICTABLE!!! They have mentallities just like humans. To the peeps that say that the pits that bite were abused or have bad owners think of it in terms as this. How many times we've seen kids go hay wild that come from loving homes? How many times have people that were A students and never got into trouble changed and all of sudden become violent? Dogs (No matter what breed) are living, breathing, thinking beings just like we are. They have mood swings just as we do. They have temperments (sp) just like we do. They can turn for the worst just like we can. Don't be naive into thinking that nothing will ever happen! How many times have we seen we where cubs or tigers have attacked their owners who have shown these animals nothing but love? They all have aggressive natures! A bite from a pit is going to be more lethal than any other dog out there. Like stated before, they're willing to fight until thier dead.

There's a guy that I ride ATV's with that lives not even 2miles from me. His pit stays in his garage and I can tell you he's not abused and isn't a fight dog. When I take my 6yr old over to his house he has to put him in the pen. Even when in the pen he's going crazy looking at my son. The dog is a good dog and when my son isn't around I play with him and he often jumps and licks on me. My son has never even been close to this dog b/c I for one won't take ANY chances with this dog possibly snatching my son up in a instant. My friend has no kids and really other than me and a couple others the dog is not around alot of people because of his aggressive nature. And this is not just Pits but dogs of all breeds can be like this. It's just the fact that the pit will be ready to die before he intends on retreating that is what's so scary.

After reading your post I think of those kids who go into schools open fire and kill innocent people, thier excuse for killing people is that they were mistreated and picked on, and somehow in thier head they are justified.  Does that make thier actions ok?  NO these kids are messed up in the head, and animals (dogs) can be messed up in the head and just snap in thier own head, wanting to kill something.  But there ALWAYS will be someone to make excuses for a dog attack.  I don't understand it  :dunno.gif   


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: IXIswamperIXI on July 26, 2007, 08:28:21 PM
I am sorry I don't even understand what I am trying to say  ::) sounds like I am going in circles... its getting late.  I can't think and type right now LOL


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: caospop on July 26, 2007, 08:33:04 PM
All dogs can be aggressive. A Chihuahua almost killed my Doberman once.
he was chocking on it. LOL

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Absolutly


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: sparkplug01 on July 26, 2007, 09:44:45 PM
OK PITS ALL SUCK SO I AM HAVING MY PITS BREED NAME CHANGED TO     (BULL YORKIE TERRIERS) IS THAT BETTER.NO MORE PITS FOR ME.


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: sparkplug01 on July 26, 2007, 09:52:23 PM
Ignorant........ i think not! check the papers and the news,  most of the pits that have attacked recently hade great owners and were never abused. the owners were quaoted as saying " i dont understand were this came from, he or she is the sweetest dog".  As for you people who defend pits, one day you will wake up and see the light. hopefully it wont be a loved one in the mouth of a pit. the breed should be halted and all pits should be e-chiped so they can be moniterd all the time. it is true that many breeds of dogs can bite or even turn on an owner, they are only dogs, but pits do it alot. that can not be denied. it is also true that it is how you bring up a dog. treat it mean and it will eventually turn. and of course there are some extensuating surcomstanses that will make a dog go bad too. but once again pits seem to be the exception. and turn more often than many other breeds.
Quote;

  "I guarantee you'd brake for my pits if they were out..it'd be a shame to lose a nice vehicle over a dog"  blupits04

if this is a threat ...bring it on!!!! and no i would not worry about losing my vehicle. the tires are big enough were if i hit one i would not feel it!!!!

i am a big dog lover and own 2 great dogs.i plan on getting more dogs in the near future. but a pit wont be one.  thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!


its pretty funny how you say your tires are soo big that u wouldnt feel it cause if i aint mistaken  i think u said u wanted upgrade from a 50cc to a 80cc moped soo u could take the interstate too work am i right...? but yea pitbulls are the best i wouldnt recomend any other dog to a person and bro if u tryed hittin my dog with your piece of sh*t tonka truck u bought from waltmart it would cave ur POS in considering u cant pull a greasing string out of a hogs as u f**k stick.
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Well there you have it.I guess what jim told me about you was right.And by the way you have a very nice looking litter.I was looking at them with Jim M. the other day at work when he called you.


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: trojan18 on July 26, 2007, 10:14:08 PM
yea there going on 8 weeks i think it hard to get rid of them tho with all this BS going around when it was prbly the kids fault but yea we still got 2 males and three females left....


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: trx#9 on July 26, 2007, 10:30:51 PM
Easy there boys, Its not worth getting your under roo's in a bunch. :o


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: TRX450R_Racer on July 26, 2007, 10:35:00 PM
one more time



Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: 1FasterBlaster on July 26, 2007, 11:15:05 PM
   I can't believe you guys get so worked up, you don't know which letters to Cap. Who wants to fight me? I got a +3 strength fighter with +2 in Dexterity and constitution!! And I'll be using my broadsword!!


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: sparkplug01 on July 27, 2007, 12:57:48 AM
come on now chino-I know your weakness------her name is ellie mae


and by the way if you still are trying to get ahold of sean and danelle they moved to tennesse today.and your right these people on here have never run into a bull dog like tattoo.and he is probably over 120LB. now hes huge and listens better than my kids.anyway I'm not writing anymore about this crap.see ya


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: qt314nfla on July 27, 2007, 02:13:45 AM
awe tatoo was a sweet dog and very well mannered.  he definately listens better than your kids.  btw who the hell is ellie may?  haha


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: AmericanRobster on July 27, 2007, 03:03:03 AM
My dog passed away on July 10, 2007. He was my first and only dog that Ive had so far. My parents got me the dog when I was in the 3rd grade and I was taught how to respect him and how to care for him right off the bat. I was taught the do's and don'ts of dog ownership. My dog was a very good guard dog and a best friend to me and my family for years. Although my dog was a Samoyed part Chow, I was taught that Chows were a dangerous dog. He had more Samoyed in him then Chow, but the lesson is as long as you respect your dog, your dog will respect you.

My Aunt use to own a pit bull, but the dog was hit by a car and killed. That pit bull was  an awesome dog. While being very playful and would never hurt a soul. We still watched him closley though like any other breed of dog.


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: IXIswamperIXI on July 27, 2007, 06:51:50 AM
   I can't believe you guys get so worked up, you don't know which letters to Cap. Who wants to fight me? I got a +3 strength fighter with +2 in Dexterity and constitution!! And I'll be using my broadsword!!

LMAO too too funny  :Clap.gif

we need a ring , ding,ding  :box.gif


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: KB on July 27, 2007, 07:44:38 AM
My dog passed away on July 10, 2007. He was my first and only dog that Ive had so far. My parents got me the dog when I was in the 3rd grade and I was taught how to respect him and how to care for him right off the bat. I was taught the do's and don'ts of dog ownership. My dog was a very good guard dog and a best friend to me and my family for years. Although my dog was a Samoyed part Chow, I was taught that Chows were a dangerous dog. He had more Samoyed in him then Chow, but the lesson is as long as you respect your dog, your dog will respect you.

My Aunt use to own a pit bull, but the dog was hit by a car and killed. That pit bull was  an awesome dog. While being very playful and would never hurt a soul. We still watched him closley though like any other breed of dog.

I've seen some pretty aggresive Chow's, I had a Samoyed when I was About 5, my Mom bought him for me & my sisters right after my dad died, but the Samoyed was a runner(open the front door & it would bolt) & we were too young to know how to train it.

Rob, your dog was a good dog because you were a good owner, it's that simple, I can't believe I woke up this morning & this topic is still goin on, but I did laugh my azz off on QT's post on the other pit bull post.
Although I do like reading Caospop's post's he seem's to me about the most level headed on this topic IMO.


Title: Re: 5yr old gets mauled...
Post by: 1FasterBlaster on July 27, 2007, 08:10:32 AM
  QT is my swamp cryptonite. But I don't think I would mind her being hung around my neck and draining all my powers!! :P
   I'm a little upset Danielle and Shawn didn't keep in touch with me. I miss my dog. The only reason I gave him up was because of my home owners insurance co. threatening to cancel my policy. Even after I gave them Tattoo, my policy still got cancelled. I was going to take him back, but I didn't want to do that.
   If you know their number, send it to me. I drove through Tennesee , and I'm sure I will again.