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Me and my dad are looking into some property at Subruban Estates/Holopaw and have a few questions(and probably a few more).

1.The peice of property that is purchased(will be at least 1.25acres) is it the peice of property you build your camp on?
2.How many people are able to be on one deed?
3. How well do 2x4 trucks get in?
4. There isn't any "guest passes" is there? Or is it just any guest that come with you have to be with you?
5. How many acres is there? I seen 10k acres on ebay and I thought it was more than that but might be wrong...
6. What is it like durning hunting season out there?

Thanks for any info ;D

I know several owners out there and have been there and I only know about a few of these.

2. 4 ppl can be on the deed which allows you 4 keys
3. if you want to stay in the parking lot 2x4 will be fine.  you will not get to camps w/o 4wd
4. no guest passes.  you can have anyone you want out there.  however, you must be w/ an owner or own a key otherwise you can be prosecuted for trespassing.

Check with Cableguy. I think he and his brother have a place out there

 >:(

What now we can't talk about Suburban Estates either?  ::)

shh  its still top secert  ;D

I would find that really laughable.  Especially sense, Four Wheeldrive magazine just did a big write up on Suburban Estates.  Even listing a website where to buy property.

Just remember, Broward County welcomes EVERONE. We would be pleased if you joined us at 8th/157th, Macks or the south side of the alley this and every other day. ;)

This isn't one of those Jim Jones communities or David Kerish Waco compounds is it?

LMAO. That 's why we can't speak of it! We don't want them interrupting before the commet comes to take us to our sacred place!  ;D

LMAO - no, it is just a really cool place.

No we can not, and you want to know why....

Let's see ever since that friggin article in the magazine there have been atleast 10 intentional fires, several camps lost, and heck even on of the members of this forum lost his truck to the fires.  This is not to mention the break-ins, the vandalism, and other crap that was going on even before the fires.  This is not to mention a landowner was out there last weekend with his family, saw someone coming up hauling a$$, so he and his FAMILY pull to the side of the road to let them pass, they ppl haulin butt, lose control and crash right into him and his family.  Thank GOD no one was seriously hurt, but they did total out his bike.  Oh and guess what, someone how the nit-wit that hit him was not a landowner, apparently he was out there with a landowner.  Oh how about all the trashed that is left around.  Next time perhaps I will bring back the pics of all the friggin trash that people leave out there with no respect to land at all.  

There were more fires last week, and more camps lost.  Let me just say that it is totally out of control out there, especially ever since this friggin magazine.  Yea, they make money off of SE, but do you see them put anything back into it.  Do you see them donating to our Volunteer Fire Dept, No.  Yea, that's right bcz we have so many fires, that we had to start our own fire department.  So you know what STAY AWAY, DON'T BRING IT UP, cause everytime you do, someone get pist.

Most of you know me on this board, and know that I am a pretty easy going person, but when it comes to this subject, I get really pist.  You would too.  It just like all the other riding areas that used to be open, and once the got openly discussed on the internet, everyone went there and trashed them, and now they are gone.  Many of you can appreciate that.  

Currently there have been plenty of things put into place, and being put into place, to stop this crap.  So if you are not a landowner, stay away, cause you aint getting in anyway.  Enough is enough.  As for buying lots on ebay, just like I PM Kawa that lot she was looking at was in section 8, and if anyone knows anything about SE, that is some serious swamp land.  So buyer beware, if you buy a lot on ebay, more than likely you ain't getting nothing but swamp.  

You had to find out about it somehow right? and you think of yourself as worthy to own and ride there, what about others ? you people think when you buy in somewhere they should just close off future land sales so you can keep it to yourselves ? talk about egotistical.
I on the other hand know about this cool thing called freedom of speach. I'll talk about what I like regardless of how many  land owners think they have sole rights to discuss something. If I choose to I'll buy in Suburban Estates and River Ranch and bring in anyone I please just to upset those that think it's an exculsive secret society  ;)

You should have to learn how to spell it before practicing it in the US. ;)

BTW: It was a spaceship, not a comet.

Chero I feel for what your saying.  2 months ago we had a 3000+ acre fire in our camping/riding spot and we lost over 300 camps.  This was caused by someone who left a burning fire   IDIOT!!!!

HEHE, when you going back to RR Jack, Big-daddy said he built a heated matress on top of his generator for you to bunk on...
 :)

You know what coming from this site I find this really surprising.  Yea, I bought land there too, just like the guy who had his friggin truck burnt to the ground a few weeks ago.  When you stuff gets vandalized, and your camp gets broken into various times, and you see one of the nicest guys in the world get his awesome truck burnt to the ground, and then you see other ppl have their camps burned to the friggin ground, YOU GET A LITTLE PIST.  I am not saying that I am so friggin worthy, all I am asking out of some common courtesy, don't discuss on the open forums.  This just isn't a good time, and more of this was brought on by Peterson 4wheel magazine.  Just have some common courtesy, thats all.  Cause I promise you this, if your camp was there, and it was getting broken into, fires, ect, you would feel the same way.  

Thank you mudfreak, I was really thinking I was in the Twilight Zone here......  It shouldn't be that hard to understand....  ;)

Did you know on page 687 of the senate immigration bill, it requests a giant electric fence covered in razor wire to surround SE.  Oh and beartraps

Beats feeding quaters into the bed. ;)

no its not. the riding sucks. the hunting sucks. its not worth it. buy somewhere else.




very well put.

I went out there and they starting shootin at me.

I thought that was common at any riding spot north of the lake. That is why my helmet is Kevlar and my cheat protector is military grade. ;)

SE just got armor piercing rounds. enter the gate and die.

Funny just got an invite from a owner there and he tells me what a great ridin spot it is. Guess I will just have to accept the invitation and see for myself

Good thing I roll with fellow owners. ;)

A write up that brings unwanted attention to a piece of private property. People then show up and try and sneak in, they ride and don't care about about the property and the weekend after the article my $50K F-350 burns to the ground in front of my camp because some A hole was careless with a cigarette. And no the magazine didn't list a website to buy property that is a site for land owners and no sales are allowed on it. Yes some people are touchy about the subject. How about we take $25K of yours (about how much I'm going to lose after insurance) and burn it then you would know how I feel about it.

Bill

LMAO make sure there's a little spot for his furry four legged friend

I understand your anger and frustration, but it really should be pointed at teh people lending their keys out, tresspassers, and idiots leaving fires to burn and not those exercising their right to free speech. I know you're just out to protect your investment and I respect that, but getting angry like cheropride and being upset that someone posted in an open forum asking for info becuase they want to buy in is out of line. I say  devote some of the efforts to keep it secret into patrolling the land and enforcing the rules and busting those not obeying them instead of trying to ammend the rights of others.

Hey Bill I am going to PM you here....

You obviously don't understand my anger and frustration at all. Every time a thread like this comes up and people go on and on about the place it's draws more attention to it. Then you get all kinds of people want to go check it out but they can't because it's gated. They show up anyways and piggyback in with someone throught the gate or beg a land owner they may know to let them in. They once in they could careless that people camp at the front gate they do doughnuts and tear up the roads on the property because it's just a riding place to them. Not to mention the fact that some land owners worry that every time they go to the gate will this be the time that someone pulls a gun on them when they tell someone they won't let them in...yes it's happened. You don't have the first clue how many thousands of dollars have gone into property to fix roads only to have them trashed. How many thousands land owners have spent in replacing stolen supplies from their camps and to put in cameras to catch the theives. Money and effort are being put into these things. I assure you any thief or arsonist will receive every ounce of my anger and frustration.

Bill

Hey bill, perhaps if you post the pics then they might understand....

And FYI I have no prob Kawi, if you would of read the post, you of seen that PM first.  Besides, go discuss with your brother, maybe he can enlighten you.... ;)

Yep, sounds like you understand all right. Just tell everyone you bring out to clean up after themselves, put out their cigarettes properly and obey the rules while they are there!

They are not a secret society, but that does not mean everyone can go and trash the place. None of the anger and frustration would be here on the site if people would just do their part in keeping up after themselves and obey the rules set in place.

Bleedsblue, I'm very sorry for the loss of your camp.  Its a horrible feeling.  Specially when you have something that you have invested time and money into, or like the truck where you invest ALOT of money into.

I cracked a few jokes, only because it inevitable to stop more and more people from going there.  Look at River Ranch.  That place can be packed on holiday weekends, and as the state takes more and more places away, that opens the market up to people similar to M&J to market another good riding location.  

Maybe SE needs an association like RR to start montioring the people coming in and out?

I just feel bad for folks that don't deserved to be blasted when they ask questions.  

Everyone just needs to remember:

Suburban Estates is PRIVATE PROPERTY. As such, by Florida law, you are entitled access to YOUR lot. As far as Four Wheeldrive Mag coming out, I'm sure they came out with a landowner, but I'm also sure they didn't go directly to that landowner's lot for their pics.

It blows my mind, the mentality of some people. Are you looking for a place to ride, or are you looking for a great family place to enjoy the great outdoors, camp, and spend time with family and friends? If it's the first reason, LOOK ELSEWHERE, but if it's the second, then I hope when you do buy your lot, you extend all the courtesy and respect to the other owners that you do to your neighbors in the subdivision where you live.

And as for the original questions brought on in the first post of this topic:


1.The peice of property that is purchased(will be at least 1.25acres) is it the peice of property you build your camp on?

YES, it SHOULD be. With this age of GPS, it is possible to pinpoint your property to within 10 ft. With that possible, should you construct a lot elsewhere, you take the chance of the landowner of the lot you construct it on to either take it over, destroy it, or it be sold to someone else.

2.How many people are able to be on one deed?

Osceola County allows up to 4 on the deed, but I recommend only yourself and you wife/husband or son/daughter. Once you start adding more people, the harder it becomes later to sell if you need. Also, HEED THIS: Make sure you get a Warranty Deed, not Quit Claim. The difference: ANYONE can Quit Claim you a lot, even without owning the land. All they are doing is assigning any right (even if they have none) to you. At least with a Warranty Deed, they warrant that they are the rightful owners of the land. ALSO: Do a Title search!!

3. How well do 2x4 trucks get in?

Not well at all right now. It is real dry, and then it will become real wet. If you know the trails good enough, you can always get around. I recommend 4x4.

4. There isn't any "guest passes" is there? Or is it just any guest that come with you have to be with you?

No guest passes (Yet). Just remember to instruct your guests to extend every courtesy to other owners as they would at your house.

5. How many acres is there? I seen 10k acres on ebay and I thought it was more than that but might be wrong...

About 11K, minus about 600 acres in the middle not accessable.

6. What is it like durning hunting season out there?

Well that depends. If you're a hunter, it sucks. If you're a camper, it's great! If you're a rider, it's DANGEROUS.

Stay away from SE. Those guys are starting to flip out,too many things going on out there,someone's going to get hurt and if you don't belong out there,be careful.

Well that depends. If you're a hunter, it sucks. If you're a camper, it's great! If you're a rider, it's DANGEROUS.

 Curtis, If you remember, the bullseye is on the little guy. haha

this thread is a perfect example. fox17 should be banned.

dang, your a lil up tight. cant take a joke? ban me for all i care. i sure as he!! wont lose sleep over it. i think it would be funny to be banned over kidding around. i think the great people that run the site see things a lil different than you.

How about the guests and government officials reading here now because of the rally?

yea, what about them?

I honestly hope I don't have to explain it to you. Grow up.

what? they cant joke around and kid a little either? man, this whole world is up tight. sad................... i still dont really get your drift on the subject but o well. i guess im just a dumb ole rednek that dont care.

cheropride
You personally have been responsible for starting and accelerating many discusion strings about
S.E. on this web site. Just cool it. All you do is fan the flames........................................like
fox17 "he hates stupid people" he has it under his name so it must be true.
An opinion from someone who hates himself is not constructive at all. Besides being all of 16 years old.
Not that there are not some most excellent 16 year old's. But then again I'm sure they do not hate themselves.
Bleedsblue sorry for your loss. It makes no sense at all.

this is too funny. thanks for the laugh blackbart. :R