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I just would like all the dog lovers out there expecally if you have a pit bull what happened to my baby today

First of let me tell you alittle about my dog yes he is a full blooded red nose pit his name was cheech and he was about 2years old he was very friendly and loving he never hurt no on

so anyways heres my story

this morning at about 6:45 am 2 undercover cops showed up at my moms house so my husband and my dog walked over there to find out what was going on and my husband told cheech lets go inside so he being his playful self went running across the front yard and under out lifted up 4x4 and the one cop pulled out his gun and shot him 4 times and killing him by the time my husband made it to the front yard he was dead the dog never even go close to him he was here to serve a warrant for someone that have never even lived here what i think is that my dog got shot because he is a pit bull i did call 8 on your side and the Tampa tribune i just want all pet owners and dog lovers to know what the cops did this morning so please be careful with your dogs exotically if they are pits the cops treated us like crap cursed at us and was in a big hurry to get out of here they acted like it was no big deal thanks for readinf this and good luck with all you dog lovers we truly loved cheech as if he where out son i just trying to get my story heard so everyone knows cops can and will kill you dog and nothing will be done :'(

I am very sorry to hear about that, my pits are like my children

If that was my dog, I might be in jail right now for assault on a L.E.O.

That is totally stupid, he/she coulda at least fired a warning shot at the dirt in front of your dog.
What did those bullsht, H.C.S.O.deputies say after they killed your dog ?

I love animal's, so sorry to hear about that. It has my blood pumping, I can't imagine how your family must feel.

I wonder if it's gonna be all over the media like DIOGGI ? (I bet not)

Detective Shoots Pit Bull
Posted May 14, 2007 by Beth Gaddis
Updated May 14, 2007 at 12:26 PM


By Howard Altman
The Tampa Tribune

RIVERVIEW - A Hillsborough County Sheriff’s Office detective shot and killed a dog this morning.

Deputies went to serve a warrant on a man they believed to be living at ***** **** ***** Rd. They were looking for Robert Davis for failing to appear on a contempt of court charge.

Detective John Masson, 32, looked over a privacy fence in an effort to find Davis, according to sheriff’s spokeswoman Debbie Carter. A 2- to 3-year old pit bull named Cheech came out of the fenced-in area and went between some sheds and a pickup truck, she said.

Carter gave the following account of the incident, which took place at about 6:45 a.m.:
The dog came out into the open and started growling at Masson.

Masson grabbed his gun.

The dog lunged and the deputy fired four shots, killing the dog.

Brandy Downer, who lives at the address with her boyfriend Mitchell Davis – brother of the man being sought by deputies – said the dog was hiding under the truck when it was shot. She also said Robert Davis never lived at the address.

The case will be reviewed by the sheriff office shooting review board, Carter said.

“There appeared to be no problem with the shooting at this time,” said Carter.

man thats got f'ed up written all over the place.. that makes me sick..

A PIT BULLS PRAYER

SPIRIT IN THE SKY, WHO WATCHES OVER ALL ANIMALS, IT IS MY PRAYER AND MY REQUEST THAT YOU GRANT GREATER UNDERSTANDING AND ACCEPTANCE TO HUMANS; THOSE WHO LOVE US AND THOSE WHO HATE US
THAT THEY WILL KNOW HOW LOYAL WE ARE, HOW BRAVE WE ARE AND HOW LOVING WE ARE HELP THEM TO ACCEPT US AS A BREED IN WHOLE AND NOT LET THE FEW TRAGEDIES SHINE BRIGHTER THAN THE MANY GREAT TRAITS THAT WE HAVE
AND THOSE WHO WOULD KILL ME LET THEM KNOW, I FORGIVE THEM EVEN THOUGH I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THEIR HATRED AND THOSE WHO WOULD BEAT ME LET THEM KNOW I STILL LOVE THEM EVEN THOUGH IT IS NOT THE HONORABLE WAY, THANK YOU FOR ALL THE STRONG TRAITS THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN MY BREED, HELP THOSE TO KNOW THAT I STAND FOR COURAGE, STRENGTH, LOYALTY AND BRAVERY AND AS MY MASTER KNOWS LET THOSE THAT COME AGAINST MY FAMILY KNOW THAT I WOULD SURELY DIE DEFENDING THEM
AND JUST ONE THING I WOULD ASK; LET MY MASTER KNOW THAT IF YOU SHOULD CALL ME AWAY THAT I WILL WAIT PATIENTLY AT THOSE PEARLY GATES UNTIL THE ONE WHO CHOSE ME COMES HOME-AMEN

you know it is sad that they can legally shoot your dog for being on your property, doing what they are supposed to do......protect you.  And the buttheads that come on to YOUR property and steal, rape and hurt people get a slap on the wrist.  So sorry to hear about it. I know that Cops get a bad wrap in certain situations and do not get enough credit for putting their lives on the line, but this seems to be one of the incidents that cause them to get looked at like they do!  Hate to hear it.

well said.

Bottom line is they were at the wrong house. Getcha ya a shark.
 It won't bring your dog back but I think they owe you at least $2,000 for a new dog and $10,000 for wrongfull death.
FTP

thank you everyone for all the support Big dog where did you find that (the Tampa tribune thing) let me let you all know my dog was not aggressive at all he would never hurt anyone and the dog DID NOT come out of the gate he was out side and I know for a fact he never growled or lunged at anyone he was under the truck when they shot him and as far as what HCSO said they told my boyfriend he should have had his f-ing dog on a f-ing leash and he was in our yard not in someone else's my other 2 dogs are so lost right now one is a pit and the other is a cocker spaniel and hes a pup he thought cheech was his daddy this hole thing just makes me so mad the cop that killed him didn't even say sorry for your loose go to hello or nothing

Has anyone EVER heard of a mean pit bull? There are 2 sides to every story. Thats all I had better say.

what you need is a good lawyer......Sorry about your dog.

I feel for you I don't know what I would do.

Have you searched to see if there is a leash law in your area?  I believe there is, if so you might want to find out what authority the SO has. 

I agree with BD find yourself a GOOD lawyer cause I feel the SO was wrong, if what you are saying is correct, there are always 2 sides to every story, taser or pepper gas might have worked IF needed.

Having a bitbull is like being black. The cops are going to shoot first and ask questions later. Get a cracker dog. ;)

The only reason pit bulls get a bad rap is because they have a lot of muscle and are loving PROTECTIVE dogs. People who are trying to protect their property because they have sh*t to hide (drug dealers, theives) get pits and train them to basically rip anything apart that comes in its path. Kids that dont get enough attention and love do the same thing. I dont own a pit and never have but theres no reason i wouldnt. Blame the owner not the breed.
Very sorry to hear about your dog.

If the dog was shot under a car/truck, there will be blood and other evidence there. If you're so confident in your version of the story, hire a private investigator/attorney. And, now you know why we need defense attorneys, ACLU, citizen review boards, the news media and other agencies/services!

as a matter of fact there was blood under the truck i have pictures of all of the blood and pictures of my dog before and after so i do think i will be hiring a lawyer

Having raised and bred pits for 5 years I know the breed and I personally haven't had any problems. They are very protective dogs and I wouldn't own another breed of dog. It's all in how you raise them I can let my kids outside ages 6, 5, and 3 and not worry about them getting hurt by my pits but I guarantee no one will come in my yard and try to take my kids b/c my female will back your a$$ back out the gate, if my kids scream or cry the dogs go nuts to see them to make sure they are ok. I would file a complaint on the police officer who shot him here is the Florida Law on Animal Cruelty I don't see why it shouldn't be used on a law enforcement officer....

828.12. Cruelty to animals

(1) A person who unnecessarily overloads, overdrives, torments, deprives of necessary sustenance or shelter, or unnecessarily mutilates, or kills any animal, or causes the same to be done, or carries in or upon any vehicle, or otherwise, any animal in a cruel or inhumane manner, is guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or by a fine of not more than $5,000, or both.

And what exactly are they doing serving warrants that early in the morning. I thought by law they could only serve them at any time for a felony warrant.


It's trigger happy people who give gun owners and good cops bad names, the same as these pits who get abused and beaten and then fight back when they know they are going to die or the ones who have been forced to fight and don't know anything but. It's the same as a Stud dog if he has been bred 3 or 4 times thats all he knows, that his first instinct...Male female it doesn't matter he knows what he has been trained to do and will try....believe me it's like the prison term you hear all the time F@$* or Fight :) once they learn who the boss is they stop and won't try again. Pits are really good natured and love their owners, are very loyal and protective. If people would look past the muscle and bad rap they would see what all good natured pits are like. Just an example of a TRUE pit..my daughter is 3 with 2 full blooded pits...they look soo mean don't they

This is one of our pups from our first litter he is 2yrs old and 85lbs... Looks Vicious don't he!

I'm sorry to hear about your pit it's always sad to hear about a dog getting shot especially for being their playful selves.

if someone could tell me how to put up pitcures i will put on up of cheech another thing is that these cops have been outhere before and have never had a problem with my dogs and the cop that was out here with the one that shot my dog said that he go bit by a dotson and didn't shoot it and that they shot a rottie last week i was like so you killed him cause hes a pit right and he said no thats not why but i really don't believe that and as for cheech growling at the cop i asked if he barked or growled and neither cop wanted to answer that the cop that shot him cursed at us the hole time we where waiting on a supervisor I'm not saying all cops are bad but this one was a jerk and really didn't care what he had done to me or my family and another thing is my nephew is 1 year old and he would bite cheech and all he did was get up and walk away from the baby this dog was a big woose if they would have stomped there foot then he would have run the other way and these cops where told a while back that my boyfriends brother didn't live here so they knew that and i don't think the warrent is a felony i think its a misdemeanor

Now that's a good one :wink.gif ! I agree with Chillin though, there are 2 sides to every story. One story says the dog lunged and the other says it was just running around playing. One thing for sure, if the dog was a threat the threat will be stopped. Law Enforcement officers aren't trained to shoot warning shots and it's not in the policy to do so. If you pull your gun and fire it, it's with every intention to stop a threat. Myself, I would have rather tased the dog. But detectives most times don't carry tasers. I'm sorry for your loss and hope the truth comes out in the investigation.

I was told by my neighbor "pinellas county sheriff" that the leash law does apply even if the dog was on your property unless he was in a fenced in yard. Had he been tied up or in a fenced in yard you could possibly pursue it but if not your out of luck.He said it would come down to the officers opinion as to whether he felf he was in jeopardy of being injured or not.Probably not what you want to hear.Sorry.

Ya,I think 1 shot woulda stung that dog so bad it woulda ran off w/ it's tail between it's leg's(maybe still be alive)

They shot a kid(16 yr. old) 4 time's this weekend not very far from there & none of his shot's were life threatining.
I think that deputy had no intention's but to kill that dog.

Sorry for your loss :'(

Hey BigDog maybe you should delete the address of the home  ???

I'm not saying sh*t but here's what I read..

1..Cops come to serve a warrant for a FTA...whether the subject did or did not live is irrelavent to what happened.The deputy does not do the paperwork.He delivers and serves.They didn't exactly stop by to get the cat out of the tree.
2..Adult pit bull comes running..most are docile but the media proves otherwise.People are scared of them.Period.You personally know it's age but size is size and a 2-3 yr old Pitt is not a dauschound.
3..Pit gets shot and dies.No fixing that.Sorry for your lose.

Those are facts correct?...vague yes but anything else is biased opinion at this point.

The deputy could be totally trigger happy and it'll be obvious,for with this attention, they will investigate.

If you are 100% POSITIVE the dog was under the truck WHEN shot and did NOT lunge or act agressively towards the deputy at anytime then get your money together and fight the SO.They aren't OJ..they have a limit to what they will defend.

Cops foul up all the time but in the grand skeme of things they are taught the proper routes to defend themselves.

I'm still not saying you or your dog did anything remotely aggressive or un-called for but you are the dogs owner and your opinion is gonna favor your side.The cop could totally be in the wrong but this is starting to take on a witch hunt smell...which is entirely a different thing.There are crappy ass corrupt power trippin cops all over but you can't just say that is who this deputy is.

Sorry to hear about your loss. My dog is like my daughter.  She has bdays.  She rides quads.  I take her camping and she has a different way of fishing but she gets out there like everyone else's kids.  She including talking back if she thinks she's been injustly treated. 

There may be two sides to the story.  However, if the police were on the wrong property it's crap.  I understand that there are two sides.  Yet this dog should still be alive.  The police shouldn't have been on the property serving a warrant there.

I'd be in jail myself is someone injured my dog.

Sorry you had to see your dog die like that, but what leaves question is the fact that the guy they were looking for & who you say "never lived here" was actually your bf's brother. That gives them reason to look there for him. BTW what was he skipping trial for? Was it dark when they were there? IF you had a gun & a large pitbull came at you, What would you do? I know what I would have done even if it were a german shepherd. I have owned & rented out trained guard dogs(all shepherds) and a 90lb rednose pit, black chow & now a JRT. I dont hate dogs.

Another case for never allowing cops on your property.They lie worse than anyone.The cop that said the dog lunged at him is falsifying a police report,the biggest crime amoung law enforcement .If they shot my pit I would be dead or in jail.You need to  call dewey,cheatum, and howe.Make sure you get a lawyer that doesnt rely on cops for his livelyhood.Some lawyers will sell you out to help them in the future,or with a bigger paying case.All judges and lawyers understand that cops are not morally bound by the truth,because they are like minded.

I still say shooting 4 times is crap, it probably woulda only needed 1 if that, they came to serve a warrant / pick up somebody so in there eye's I THINK any one at that house was asking for trouble so he didn't give a rats azz about you or your dog.

OK he didn't skip trial he was supposed to pay 500.00 in a month for child suport( keep in mind he pays child support every week leaving him less than 200.00 every week to live on) so he didn't so he got a contempt of court charge no it was not dark and as far as what i would do i would not have killed any dog the cop had other chooses he shot him 4 times he was shooting to kill

I feel for your loss and i guess if they came to my yard (which is fully fenced) I would be in the same situation.I have 2 pits and 2 Bull mastiffs and they are so gentle it's not even funny.Pits do get a bad rap, and that cop needs to be taken to court. My dogs are my kids and well mees with the family and i well not going to say but we all know what i mean!!

Again sorry for your loss

you should call and/or write to P.I.T.A.  They are very active with animal cruelty.

I have been bite by a pit bull, and I currently own a red nose pit bull and I love my dog very much.  My dogs are like my children, but have to say that a dog in its own yard can be very dangerous.  No one can walk in my backyard anytime of the day, because our pit is very very protective of her territory.  With that, you have split second to make a decision, just like I did when I got bite, and the cop made his decision.  There are two sides to a story, and I will also say that terrier's in general are pack dogs.  When someone screams or another dog yelps it is their instict to attack.  Terrier's will weed out the weak one, and that is how they do it.  Sorry about your loss, but I can tell you that this is the last pit bull that my wife and I will own, due to the instict behavior's they have.  We own a jack russell and they are almost identicall just on a smaller scale.  You might not think it, and there are probably people that have bred pits for years that have never had an incident, but until you do, you will not understand.  The pit bull that bite me was my grand parents.  It does have alot to do with how they are raised but you have to understand their behavior's too.  Just like tiger's.  They can be domesticated, but they still have behavior's that you will never change and that is why some people get attacked.  It won't happen to everyone, but you never know.  I love our pit bull to death, but there is NO garuntee that she won't bite someone for no apparent reason one day, just because that is her behavior.  Something that we think is minut, the pit bull might think is critical and attack over.  You seriously never know. 

all i have to say is you have a case on your hands if you wish to pursue.... an LEO's rules of engagement were violated and under no circumstances should that officer have double tapped let alone shot four times.... thats rediculous..... trust me have your lawyer serve them with papers and they will settle out of court. the SO wont want the media getting ahold of this when the facts are presented... it wont bring the dog back but it's all principal now.....  :( sorry for your loss.... dont let this go unnoticed... and collect as much supporting documentation as possible.

Being a federal officer you would think i would take the LEO's side but thats not the case as i know there are crooked and worthless cops that over react......

Good Luck

Good idea.  No need to send people to a house where they there are quads kept!

So you do actually know the guy who "never lived here". I would be willing to bet nothing happens. THey will say the leash law could have saved your dog. When my dog is outside he is on a leash & he is only a 10lb JRT. Like someone else said, a pit is an instinctual fighter. They will protect their territory & their family. My family has had many pits in the last 20 yrs & I like the breed myself, but now that I have kids I wont own another one until they are grown & out of the house. When I see pics of kids next to 80+lb pits I just cringe, but to each their own. Also, I have never met a person who owned a pit which attacked or mauled a child that did not say, " I cant beleive this, he/she was the most docile animal I have ever owned, he/she would not hurt a flea." They are still animals & they still have animal instincts that show up without notice.
Good luck with your situation.

it is P.E.T.A., but I think P.I.T.A. would be a better description.

Sorry for your loss 250r, regardless of the reason for your loss.
I dont usually like to post to thread's I know nothing about first hand, like the handful of other's who already have and have already rushed to judgement with their uninformed opinion's, but I am a little curious after reading your original post and then the media article that was posted and then your later post's.

You said that the cop's were at your Mother's house, and your Husband went over to see what for, and took the dog with him, not on a leash by the way. Why take the dog? I'm afraid that may have been the first mistake.
The article said the dog's owner lived at the same address, are there multiple dwelling's at this same address and your's is different from your Mother's? I only ask because the man they were looking for, Robert Davis is the Brother of Mitchell Davis your Boyfriend, or Husband (you have referred to him as both in your post's) so it stand's to reason that if Mitchell Davis reside's there, then there would be a possibility that Robert Davis could be there (because it's only human nature to help your Brother/Family) this would be why the cop's were there, just make's sense to me.
The Deputy claim's the dog was growling at him and lunged at him, you disagree because Cheech was a friendly sort of dog, in your opinion, but wouldn't you also agree that he was a protective dog? I have been around lot's of Pit's and that's just their nature, aggressively protective. Either way the Deputy was the only one there to say how the dog was behaving. Now I'm no Forensic Scientist, but isn't it possible that Cheech crawled up under the truck after he was wounded, which would account for the blood there?
I'm not neccessarily disputing what your saying, just pointing out alternative's that you may not be able concieve of due to your loss.

Sorry about your dog. I'm for you and your dog.

Don't let this just go by. do some thing about, Call the head sheriff him self, he knows what is going on all ready, and keep calling. Call your county commissioner in your area, and don't let them push you around. If you keep at it something will work out for you and good luck.

Cop's do have the right to come to your door and only your (front/main entrance) to your residence, unless there is a felony in the act.

How about some reading.
2006 Florida Statues "Chapter 767" Damage by Dogs.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0767/ch0767.htm

the cop shouldnt have shot him but the dog should have been on a leash, i have a deputy friend that shot a cow before under the same circumstances as far as thinking he would have to defend himself and whoever mad the comment about blacks being like pitbulls come thats about a bull$hit comment maybe if there wasnt that thug stereotype that most black guys try to fit into, cops would be less suspicious oh and the smell of marijuana doesnt help either

I am no cop, but I have owned apartments in Ft Lauderdale & when they came to serve a warrant on a tenant, they went around back before they knocked on the front door. Obviousley the place isnt fenced off. Also like gtnwood stated, it is possible the dog ran under the truck after being shot on pure adrenaline hence the blood stains.  IT will all come out in the wash, if someone dont want opinions from both sides then dont post it on the net.

Very well put.....

first off let me say i expected to get both side that is why i put my story here i know pits are know as aggressive breads and i don't deny that some are but you can stereotype all animals just the same as all people there is an article in the Tampa tribune today in the metro section i will try to post it up for all to read latter and another thing is i never denied knowing the person the cops where looking for the thing is what in the hello where they looking for him at my house at 6:45 am and why where they both at my back gate and another thing if they where looking over the gate they would have been holding it shut so no dog would have gotten out so there go to show that they are full of $hit and another thing is that i run a business here and my dogs run the yard all the time and they have never bother ANYONE you can say what you want about pits but like guy said every dog is how the owner raises there dog this dog unpoetical was never trained to be a guard dog in any way he was a big baby so to speak i know some people cant stand pits and I'm OK with that thats you prerogative but please don't judge cheech because of his bread i never judge anyone by race or animal by its bread i love all animal and hate to see them suffer as the same goes for people i cant stand to see some one hurt it breaks my heart so  basically what in saying is you can judge a book by its cover i want to thank all the people who stand behind me on this and i also want to say thanks to everyone for the input wheather negative or positive i knew when i posted this there would be both sides and like i said I'm OK with that too you have an opinion and you have a right to express it but i know that if any one want in my shoe wheather you have a pit bull or any other kind of dog cat pig or what ever animal you would choose to have you would be heart broken and not want anyone to judge your animal by its bread i love my dogs and I'm sure you all love your pets i just want the world to know what happened and do what ever you can to protect you beloved pets to answer the question about why take the dog my boyfriend takes him every where he goes yes you might be right it might have been a mistake but he never took him out of the yard and yes my address is deferent than my mothers my mom lives in a trailer part that i live on an acer property next door to the trailer park

is there any more to the sentence or is it just that short?

Where is amhighlander when you need him? I would like to see his rubuttal to this. ::)

there was much more that i had to say but i hit the post button by mistake i want to answer everyones questions and commits i  dont remember everything i wrote but i do know that this is a touchy subject and i expected that but i do know that there are many people that feel my pain and the some love for there animal let me ask this to all the one that dont like pits would you feel different about my story if i had a deferent bread of dog? want to hear some thing funny my 2 month old cocker spaniel is more aggressive than cheech was one thing i know is that i thank god that my other pit macho want out side or he would be gone too i really do thank everyone for there commits the one thing is what where the cops doing at  my back gate at 6:45 to serve a misdemeanor warrent for some one that dont live here my address is on the side road not the main road where the cops where another is if they where looking over the fence they would have been blocking the gate and if the dog was in the gate he couldn't have gotten out and as far as cheech going under the truck after the shot he was shot 4 times back to back (no pause) he was dead so he couldn't have moved and i do understand that family sticks up for each other but he dont live here so why would he be here at 6:45 am i would like to let you all know that if there are questions you want to know feel free to ask even if it might hurt my feelings i will do my best to answer them and try to help you understand here is my final question could you imagine it being 6:45 am and you hear a loud gun shot 4 times knowing your boyfriend is out side and not knowing whats going on i was so scare i couldn't move for like a min and when i did get up as i got closer to the door i heard my boyfriend yelling then to find out i loose my sweet dog how would you all feel

still no period, but at least the sentence is gettin longer.

The cop was right about one thing no matter what comes of this. Also, your last post stated you were just waking up inside when you heard the shots fired and you were afraid to run outside, but in this earlier post you state you "know for a fact he never growled or lunged at anyone & he was under the truck" how could you know this from bed? By telling more than one story, you leave lots of questions so you must understand why there are so many insinuations. Your BF made a bad decision, why would he take a dog to investigate a noise if it werent for protection, if it was a bad guy did he expect cheech to lick his face off like dino from the flintstones?

Where does the leash law come into effect?  When does the dog owner take responsibility and accept the fact that the dog should have been on a leash?

Precise & to the point :T

i saw a question mark ;D..do only certain members have spell check ..or how does that work?

i have spell check i just forget to use it sometimes ::)

Ya there is a leash law, that's right, so any of you bringing it up that has a cat & let's it go outside ,you better have it on a leash.
How many of you do that ?

The worst smell I think is a male cat spraying on my garbage can, then I take it out & get it on my hand's or pant leg's & Go-Jo won't take that smell off if I washed my hand's 10 times.

I admit there is 2 sides to every story, maybe it's just me but it seem's like some people think this dog should have been shot 4 time's.
Even if the dog did growl at the deputy I think 1 shot would of been enough, like MP Tony(who said he's a Federal Officer himself) said
 there wasn't any reason he should of double tapped that trigger, much less 4 times(probably all he could handle or he would emptied his clip)

I just feel bad for this girl who lost her dog & it seem's like some people here think she deserved for it to happen.
Raggin on her about her spelling, come on guy's, give her a break.

I really want to go to this rally but I don't know if I want hang out w/ y'all fat boy's anyway.

Wait a minute, I gotta go, I see a cat outside & I think it's hissing at my little girl, I'm gonna go blast it w/ my .50 cal. See Ya

I have been around some vicious dogs who threatened my kids and actually bit my son in the face, He got a new family with no kids and is spoiled rotten now. He was a 1 yr old Min Pin. it's not just pits who are mean and instinctive. My son picked the min pin up and he bit him yet they could go in the back yard with my male 3 yr old 80lb pit and grab him by his family jewels and my pit would walk off. It's all in how the dog is raised and what it's temperament is. I agree that there are two sides of the story but why shoot the dog 4 times? If it were a man who was attacking him he would have shot once to wound him and then handcuffed him. IMO they need to have all cops go through animal training of some sort, If you shoot or kill a police dog it's the same punishment as if you shoot an human police officer.If the officer would have taised the dog or shot a warning shot most dogs run and hide if they aren't used to guns. That early in the morning it would have startled the dog and more than likely he would have coward down and hid. I understand the leash law and how they were in the wrong about not having him on one but it that worth killing the dog over? What alot of people don't understand is alot of the dogs that are on TV for attacking are mix breed pits, usually mixed with chow or rottie. A full blooded pit who hasn't been inbred has a totally different temperment.

I guess I just play favorites with my pits but I don't believe any dog should be shot to kill unless you have a very good reason that he is going to harm you. The cop might have felt that way we don't know but there is always the possibility that maybe the dog was just being playful.

Oh and to the Fella's picking on her about her run on sentences and spelling... I didn't know we got graded on our spelling or writing..damn I must have missed that in the rules of the site. Give her a break I know you guys like to have fun and rag on people but DAYUM!!!!!!!!..oops I spelled that wrong I'll give myself a demerit

i had a pitbull and it bit my neibors dog and tore off its ear and it bit this guy in my backyard who was building my garage...so i had to get rid of my pitbull :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Up until those incidents, he was probably just as nice as could be though right?

greenmachine you seem to be a very negative guy i have read one of your other post and you plain out called the guy an idiot did your mom ever teach you if you can say nothing nice don't say nothing at all


THANKS everyone for having my back i appreciate it and for the commit about the cats that was funny it made me laugh thanks for that and NO i don't hate cats i really needed a good laugh so thanks

It is posted on TBO.COM now for anyone interested.

what is on tbo.com the same thing that is posted here i think its like the 3rd post it doesnt say the same thing as the news paper says

You are taking my post out of context but I understand after reading your posts that punctuation or literacy isnt a high spot for you. You have stated so many different stories in your posts, dont hate me because I can read them. Oh yeah, BTW your dog was only shot 3 times, the 4th one missed. None of my animals ever run free anywhere or anytime. Why dont you just hire an attorney & sue the cops if they were wrong. It is in the press already, all you need now is a lawyer. By now your phone should be ringing off the hook with attorneys.
Again, good luck & we all have opinions. We dont have to like them.

this is what the paper reads:


deputies kill dog that family describes as a peaceful pup

Riverview -- Cheech was a big baby who played with children and other dogs said Brandy Downer who lived with the 55lbs pooch. His only problem she said was that cheech was born a pit bull. Monday morning cheech's path crossed with hillsborough county sheriff's deputies who where looking for a man wanted on a warrent. cheech was shot to death. deputies fired four rounds at the dog and three found their mark. they said the dog had growled and lunged at them. downer said the dog was never aggressive ---to children in the family or other dogs or anyone else. if you stomped you foot she said he would run the other way. the 2 1/2 year old red nose pit bull was in his yard and was about to be called into the house at ************** by his owner Mitch Davis who is downer's boyfriend. Davis was too upset monday to talk about the incident. hes not talking to anyone right now said downer 25 a couple of hours after they dragged cheech's body from beneath a pickup --proof he was not attacking she said and buried it in the back yard. deputies said they where in the area shortly before 7am to serve a warrant on Robert Davis Mitch's brother who they thought lived in downer's home. Robert Davis was wanted on a contempt of court warrant. deputy john masson 32 looked over a privacy fence in an effort to find Davis according to sheriff's spokeswoman Debbie carter. he spotted the pit bull as it came out of the fenced in area and went between sheds and a pickup she said. the dog came out into the open and growled at masson who pulled his hadgun and killed him on the spot carter said. downer said Robert Davis never lived at the address and wasn't there monday morning. cheech has been the family dog since he was 6 months ole she said. he's the biggest wimp of a dog she said. although she didn't see the incident she said she knows the animal. i don't have to have been there to know she said i feel like the dog was categorized because he happened to be an aggressive breed. a review board at the sheriff's office will investigate the incident  carter there appeared to be problem with the shooting at this time she said  

you are right we all do have opinions and we don't have to like them your right but all my stories are the same and i told the paper that i only saw 3 bullet holes but I'm not going to dig all over my poor dead dogs body to see if the fourth did or didn't hit him and no I'm not punctuation or literacy SO WHAT WHO CARES and I'm not mad at you opinion i just don't know why you have to be so mean so what you are telling me is that because i have a pit it should die right well maybe you should come kill my other pit then i can sue you too. or maybe you should shoot my cocker spaniel because he might bite you hes meaner than the pits are.

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Greenmachine I'm glad to know they had someone else there who knows everything that happened. You seem to be the only person who knows the actual events..oh wait you read it in the news paper and EVERYONE knows the newspaper never makes a mistake! For the sake of an argument All animals have their threats and bad habits so how is it fair to only point your finger at a pitbull? People attack other people all the time does that mean it's now legal to kill the SOB who attacks you.... Kids play and run all the time does that mean I have to worry about my kids getting shot for running to a cop? The point is that her dog got killed in an inhuman manner whether or not it be a pit or a poodle, whether it attacked or not is not the point, the point is a dog or any animal for that fact that attacks someone is taken in to be euthanized.If your dog attacks you and you shoot him you go to jail. If your dog kills another animal and you shoot him you go to jail...why is it ok that the cop took it into his own hands to kill the animal? I don't agree with all the laws that animals have and I agree pits have a bad name, You can cringe at my pics all you want If you trust your dog and show them you trust them and aren't going to abuse them they are loyal to the end.Same with people. I already told Iluv that I have another litter coming soon and if they want a puppy she knows the price. People who own pits and have been around a true pit will always go back to the the breed they love. Opinions are just that opinions so it doesn't matter what gets said on here... And as for the wise crack remarks on Grammar and what not what does it matter how someone spells or punctuates? As long as you know what they mean it shouldn't matter.

her life is worth any cops life with zero regrets



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omg she is beautiful i wish i knew how to put pictures up i would show you all cheech

RIP Cheech

thanks blupits04 now everyone can see him what do you think does he look mean?

I was staying out of this thread until I read this comment. KB that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Why in the world would you say something like that? It is clearly a waste of expensive ammo, a .30-06 will achieve the same results with a much cheaper round.

I wanted to stay out of this thread also but I can't stand it anymore.  First, I'm a truly sorry you lost your dog, I am an animal lover myself and having my dog or cat die on you is very hard.  In this case the death hits even harder because of the way your dog died.

With that being said, I think you are jumping to conclusions when you accuse the officer of shooting your dog needlessly.   I think you said (can't remember exactly because the story has changed some from the initial post) that you were not there when the officer shot the dog.  So I assume the only people there were the 2 police officers, right?  Why then to you assume they are lying about your dog being aggressive?   You said yourself the dog is protective of is property, it was also early in the morning and the police may have been on your property or right next to it so maybe he was being territorial.  Don't you think police have a right to protect themselves?  These people put their lives on the line every day for us I think we should cut them some slack.   That officer has a right to come home from work without bite wounds does he not?   

I suppose you could say that he over reacted but who knows we were not there and we only have the 2 officers word.  Just because your dog has not bitten anyone yet does not mean he was not about to rip a new a!@hole into that officer.   

Your other statement about the guy not even living at that address is meaning less.  It's obvious the guy has issues with following the law so are we to assume that he does not lie also.  The guy the police were looking for may have gave that address as his but either way he was the brother of one of the people at the house.   A reasonable person would assume that this person could be there and they were serving a legal warrant looking for him.   I will chastise the police when they do wrong but in this case, with the facts we know right now, I believe the police felt threatened and had every right to shoot the dog. 

I have said this before and I will say it again, the people that have the biggest problem with the police are usually the ones who deal with them often.   Being a law abiding citizen I find I don't have to deal with the police very often, only when I get a speeding ticket do I have to deal with them and then I don't go on the Internet and bash them, I pay my fine and go on about my daily life.  Good luck

the thing is these cops have been here before and they where told he doesn't live here then and one thing you said really makes me mad I HAVE NEVER been in any trouble with the law i will give you my full name and you can look it up i am not bashing every cop just this one your right i was not right out side when it happened but i know my dog another thing is one of the cops told me they got bite by a dog last week and they didn't shoot it because it was a small dog OK fine then he told me that they shot a rottie last week i think this cop is trigger happy if they had a cop dog so to speak and it bit us we couldn't shot it now could we no matter what the reason for the dog to attack up and my dog was not protective of nothing he is an inside dog so what happens out side means nothing to him

So let me add this I don't think people ever lie about a convict being at their house?  You know they do and I'll bet if this convict was someone that had violated you or your family you would want the police to look every where possible including relatives to find him.

I am not saying everyone that has a problem with police are bad but in general the people I hear complaining about the police are ones that have a lot of dealing with the police.   good luck

just so everyone know he was wanted for not paying 500.00 in child support its not like he hurt robbed or raped some one so this brings me back to my original question why where they doing at my back gate????

I have nothing against the breed, I used to own a Rotty, and I have seen a lot of great pits.  But all dogs, including my sweat loving lab, they do get protective of their territory.  It is so hard for us to judge, I don't know the cop and I don't was not there to see exactly what happen, all I can do is use my experience.

Most dogs, or just about all dogs, for whatever reason hate anyone in uniform.  This is a given.  I can look at the situation, that yea, the dog may of been more aggresive, he didn't knows these people, he sees a uniform, and he senses their apprehension.  At that point, any rationaly dog would of been protective, perhaps not agreesive, but more than likely very protection.  So lets get back to the pit bull, if it were a lab with the same protective instincts, it more than like would of went a different way.  Cause I do believe that certain breeds of dogs have a bad rap, this includes the pit bull, the rottwieler, and some others.  Unfortanately, we can not be in the officier's head, in his mind he may of seriously felt that his life was in danger.  I can't answer that, cause I was not there and I don't know.  Are there bad dogs, yea, are there bad cops, but this situation it is hard to say.  It's not that cop was wrong, even if the dog would not of attacked, but when the media and everyone else plays up to the PIT BULL thing, you can't imagine how one wouled react.

Test - you have a growling lab? who do you feel, are you threaten, do you fear for your life?
you have growling rottweiler, who do you feel, are you threaten, do you fear for your life?
you have growling pitt bull, who do you feel, are you threaten, do you fear for your life?

See how it esculates within itself, so although I truly truly understand how you feel, and if that had been my dog, yea, I would be all over it too. I get it!  But as an outsider, not there, we can easily put ourselves in both situations.  

I rest my case..............

Fact #1 is that the police were doing their jobs by trying to serve the warrant. Fact # 2 is that they were confronted by a unleashed full size pit capable of doing severe damage. Fact # 3 is that you were in bed and could not have seen if the dog was being aggressive or not. The only people that know what happened for sure are the people that actually witnessed it so to accuse the police of wrong doing based on opinion and not fact is wrong.There ARE two sides to every story. Your assumed version may be correct but you did not actually see what happened so it would be mute in a court of law. How some people can automatically bash the police without a trial is ridiculous.They put their lives on the line for you same people daily and if you let a full size pitbull run loose without a leash and expect everyone in the world to think he is as nice as you say so it's okay to let him run loose then don't act so surprised when some one makes a split second decision based on not knowing the disposition of that particular pitbull.And for the guy who says he's a federal officer then tells you to file suit and the sheriffs office will settle out of court without talking to the accused officer first and turning against his own all I can say is if you are an officer and you spout off at the mouth without getting all the facts then in my opinion your a disgrace to the uniform.I personally don't believe your an officer with that attitude anyway.And for the guy who states "his dogs life is worth a cops life with no regrets" well that statement speaks for itself. As you can tell I have much respect for people that put on the uniform and risk their life for the safety of the citizens and can't stand when their bashed without being found guilty of a crime.I'm done.

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The problem isn't that the cop shot the dog it's the fact that he killed him. I have many friends who are cops, detectives and Police Chiefs and I don't get in trouble (it's too expensive!) But anyway I'm not bashing the cop I'm just trying to figure out why he shot the dog to kill him. ILuv I'm not trying to be insensitive but where was the dog shot at in his body? If you shoot an animal in the rear it'll drop even if for a second. The cop could have shot him in the rear and moved. It's not plausible for how many times he was shot let alone the fact he was killed. The matter of "the cops word against theirs" Cops will back each other up unless it is putting both cops jobs on the line it's a thing called "Loyalty and Dedication" You can ask any cop if they will back their partners statement. I support our law enforcement officers and respect them to the fullest but I also know first hand there are some crooked ones out there abusing the badge. Iluv was just posting what happened to her dog not trying to make a big debate over what everyone thinks. I know there are alot of people who don't like pits and have a bad impression of them and all I can say to that is "Judge not, lest ye be judged!" you judge something by the reputation they have, we all know what that is like especially with our sport, a few bad apples and it gives everyone a bad name. 

Greenmachine are you related to American Highlander and JackL? Your a lil instigator....lol

This is my vicious pit Hercules.




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Well I am her mother. and let me clear a few things up.

1. The warrent wasn't issued for her address. it was issued for Robert Davis at my address.  The Davis boys and there father use to live at my address.
The 2 plan clothed detectives banged on my door at 6:30am like I was the worlds biggest criminal. one was at my front door the other was around the back of my trailer. I sent them over to her address. Still half asleep not knowing who exactly they were looking for but a Davis. Or why they were looking for them. I never told the officers that Robert Davis was over there. I said the Davis's moved over there.
the never knocked on her front door to ask if he was there or if she knew where he was. they were looking over her privacy fence in her back yard. that is posted no treaspassing. now from what I know of the law. they legally had no right to be looking over her fence as the warrent wasn't for that address. The only right they had there is to knock on there door and ask them if he was there or if they knew where to find them .  They had more rights to search my home for Robert Davis then they did hers.

2. This dog doesn't grawl at anyone. people are always over there around them dogs. as they collect the rent for the trailer park I live in. This dog is the most docile animal I have ever seen. no matter what anyone does to it it just walks away. Doesn't matter if it is a person from the famaily or someone that pulled in  there drive way to look at an 3 or 4 wheeler or dropping one off to be fixed.

3. Because the officers had a warrent for Robert Daves does not mean he is a criminal. As she repeatedly said he didn't pay a 500.00 court ordered child support payment. Does that make him a criminal?  NOT. But the cops sure acted like he was Americas top wanted.

4. I can't say the dog didn't growl or move towards the detective. Only he can. But I can so it not likely.  But even if it had Did he have the right to shot it 4 times? As a federal officer said. rules of engagement say no.

Had that been my pit. I would be upset and distraught. But I also would have known the detective was right to shot and kill her. as she would have taken his throat apart. I raised my pit for protection. I love her dearly and would never want anything to happen to her. And I am greatful my 14yr. step daughter was smart enough to close my pit up in her room before she answered the door at 6:30 this morning. Cuz my dog would have went for the detective.

As for the leash law. It is never enforced till a police officer shots and kills someones  dog. I take my dog out on a leash, but only because she is aggressive and very protective of me and mine. But I see people walking around bay shore with there dogs without leashes and the police do nothing. Most people don't cuz they know there dog would not harm a flee.

You can all say what you want. but all pits are not agressive. It is a stero type peroid. All the reports about dogs attacking are half stories. the press don't always tell you everything. If you believe they do then you probly believe that the government never lies and has never hidden a thing from us common folk.

Any breed of dog can be aggressive under the right situation. even a so called harmeless poodle.

As for picking on her because of her grammer. give her a break she is distraught. and you would be too if someone shot your dog 4 times and killed it. No matter what the situation was. 4 Times is obsessive. If that Detective had shot a person 4 times people would be outraged.  And did he really have to kill the dog? Most animals will run off from the sound of the gun shot. What happened to using pepper spray or tazer? This officer had other options. He darn sure didn't have to shot to kill. Like a deer you wound it, it runs. so does every other animal.

Rather the dog growles and lunged for the officer or not he was still in the wrong. He did not have to Kill Cheech. He could have pepper sprayed him, Tazered him, or wounded him. A shot to the hind end would have stopped the dog from attacking if it was attacking.

I know these officers put there lifes on the line everyday and get little respect for it. But we all know they aren't always right in the actions they take. Killing a dog or a person should always be there last resort not there first.

Blupits, you stated before that I know everything because I read it in the newspaper. Actually everything I read & posted about was only read from this thread, I actually decided to do a search and found it on tbo.com which I then posted afterwards. My opinion was formed from this post alone.
So get your facts straight ;) & keep using spellcheck........ ;)...& thanks for appreciating my hard work 8)

I don't have to use spell check thank you! I'ma smart cracka :) That and a woman you know WE know everything  ;) I just don't see the point in down grading someone b/c of how they talk,spell or punctuate I'm not 6 anymore.

And you do work hard Green you like makin these people think!

Once again... LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS DON'T SHOOT TO WOUND! WE DON'T SHOOT TO KILL! WE SHOOT TO STOP! To the guy that says he's a federal official. You're dreaming! You can't possibly be LE and bash a fellow officer until a full investigation is complete. And any LE official with knowledge would know that you shoot until the threat stops being a threat. When trained to double tap it's pretty instinctual to do so. Was he supposed to shoot once and stop to see if he actually hit the dog? In triaining we're told that if a man with a knife comes within 21 feet and lunges at you with a knife, there's a greater possibility he'll stab you even after you shoot him. The odds are just that much higher with a dog b/f you get bit. I guarrantee that majority of the posts that want the cops head are peeps that are not so good when it comes to being law abiding citizens. I run into them almost everyday and they have it out for LE b/c of course who brings their arses to jail when they break the law.

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I am sorry for you loss. But your story of this dog could never hurt anyone I don't agree with. When I was growing up we had a German Shep. I was laid back but was protective of our home. There was a salesman at our door once and my brother answered it. The salesman was talking to my brother when the dog approached the door and stood next to my brothers leg. My brother then for an extra precaution grabbed his color and continued talking to the man. In an instance, the dog lunged for the mans throat! Good thing my brother had his color or the man would have been bit. The dog was about 3yrs old. We never had that problem out of him b/f but after that we had to be more aware of his aggression. When dogs are young they are more playful. As they get older and start getting into their prime they tend to get more aggressive and protective as well. Once they start to get old the aggression subsides quite a bit.

Wow how the story has taken ANOTHER twist. I thought that all this happened at her Mother in laws home down from hers? Now it's her MOTHERS home they were at?

You (Mom/Mother in law/ however you're related) sent them to her house by stating the Davis's moved there. That gave them probable cause the check the house to find their man. The warrant merely gives them the right to go any and everywhere to detain the guy they're looking for. Not just one fixed location.

They had the right to look over the privacy fence once they had probable cause (once again, you gave them that). Also, the term "Privacy" had no bearing in that matter.

Your daughter first stated that her husband walked to her mother in laws home to see what was going on. So now it actually happened at her home? More reason for me to believe the cops are telling the truth. You guys need to get your stories together...

I have a family full of cops in three different states. I know for a fact police do what they want when they want. I hear all the bull$hit stories they tell when the're together. I have no respect for most of law enforcement. I have no criminal record. What the hell ever happened to protect and serve. What makes them better than anyone else? >:(

Does your mom know your up this late?   :K

Hate to say it, but the truth to the matter is that if the person would of paid the child support the warrant would not of been issued, and the police would not of been to your house.  Sorry for your lose like I have stated before, but the moral of the story is this would of never happened if the child support was paid in the first place.  Hate to say it, but that is a very big offence in my opinion and I am glad they issue warrants for citizens that do not pay child support on time.  I grew up in a divorced family and can truely understand how child support would of helped if it was policed when I was growing up.

All you did was admit that your family is full of a bunch of crooked police. Don't judge someone else b/c your family members abuse their authority. There are those that do, just like there are bad politicians, doctors, etc... But not all are bad like your crooked arsed family members (From what you state). :-\

Your exactly right, one bad apple can spoil the cart.

can spot the cops in here easily  ....they lie

smoke, i agree. 

doesnt matter what the crime was. a warrant is a warrant. and they dont issue a warrant because you dont pay, they issue the warrant because you didnt show up at court for the hearing after you didnt pay, right?

This thread has turned into a freaking joke.
I have no idea what went on there but I can tell you this, If a pit came towards me at 6:30 in the morning and didn't stop I would blast him too.
I owned a pit for 15 yrs before I had to put him down due to old age.Never once did he show aggression towards a human being. He was the best dog in the world and by far the best friend I've ever had. However, I would still fire on a dog that kept walking towards me in the situation described in this thread.

not just my family. every other alcoholic officer that works with them. You know exactly what I am talking about. Not everybody is stupid. How often do you cover your ears and close your eyes.

hey check this out Ride1Rob i never said mother in law you all want to pick on me for my grammer well maybe you should learn to read and understand what you read i never said all cops are bad and believe me i do obey the law and i do respect the cops that deserve it you say don't judge another cop because of what other cops do OK take your own advice why do you feel the need to judge my dog because he is a pit you know if my dog was aggressive i would not say a word for what happen but hes not and like i have said before these cops have been here before and my dogs where out and they didn't feel the need to shoot then and as far as the uniform thing they where in plan close like we wear everyday my biggist point is why 4 time once if that should have been enough blupits04 the bullet holes i did see where in his chest, rear thigh and left shoulder i don't mind you asking it wasn't insensitive and these cops are lying because i did tell every one that cheech was not in the gate if he was he would have gone into the house not into the yard he was already in the yard going to the gate

this morning at about 6:45 am 2 undercover cops showed up at my moms house so my husband and my dog walked over there to find out what was going

Ride1Rob above is what she posted in her original post. she never said it was her mother in law. so before you post you should have your facts.

I didn't attack you and neither did she. her story is the same.
and OMG its obviouse whos the law enforcement in here. you are all on the defensive when all she was doing was putting her story out there to possible save anyone else from the tragedy she went throu.

oh and one more thing the cops never tried you yell at cheech or scare him off in any way he just took fire and went on from there and if he was in the right he still had no right to use foul language toward me my boyfriend or anyone else in my family so there another thing to show he was a jerk and really didn't care

Explain to me how this got into a Cop bashing party? I think the kiddies are up past their bed time! It's time for this thread to be deleted it's doing nothing but making all cops look bad and their families look like idiots. yfz122 where does your family have police so I know not to go there. It's ridiculous how this thread has turned out. Like I said before it only takes one person to make a crowd look bad and thats whats happening here.Not all cops are bad, not all dogs are bad and whether or not he paid his child support is his issue but I don't agree with him not paying the child support. It's based on your income so if he's having problems with it he needs to go back to the court and tell them. Whether there be a No trespassing sign or not There needs to be a "Beware of dog" sign. Ad as for the "shoot to stop" comment There is a difference between a dog attacking and a man with a knife. And the cop could have handled it differently and the dog could still be alive. If he was a threat they could have taken him to be euthenized. And if you don't shoot to kill or shoot to wound explain to me exactly what "Shoot to stop" means?

there are beware of dog signs all over the property and even on the gate i have never bashed a cop and never will all i was saying is that this cop was in the wrong i have the beware of dog sings up so that people know there are dogs on the property i just thought of something else i had some nabought that had 2 pits chained up out side and a cop was looking to serve a warrant on them and the dog did lung and try to bite the cop but guess what he didn't shoot it and the dog has also tried to get my boyfriend and he didn't shoot it he hit it in the head and the dog ran i really didn't put this post here for people to bash cops that was not my intentions i just was everyone expecally ones with know aggressive breeds to be extra careful of what they do and may save there dogs life thats all this was about i know some people hate pits and thats what ever thats your choose not mine but i happen to love all my dogs and 2 of them happen to be pits and I'm sorry if you don't like it so for my final word of this everyone please stop bashing the cops not all are bad same as for dogs

Like I said it is most cops. Open your eyes. If the police would've been where they were supposed to be I guess this would be a different topic.

If I was somewhere I wasn't supposed to be and shot the dog under the truck I would be sitting in jail facing some serious charges.

only problem is the police have the right to be on your property if the suspect  is there. They will have one in the front and one somewhere near the back in case the suspect tries to run. As long as they do not open the gate or go in a fence they are legally allowed to be there. My opinion is the cop used excessive force in this case but we don't know what exactly happened we weren't right there and the cop is the only one who can say what happened if he's not trying to cover his butt.

I believe there is a beware of dog sign on the gate as well. but I am not positive. I have about 5 up at my place. cuz I know my dog would attack without a thought.

The law requires anyone with a so called aggressive breed dog to post rather the dog is aggressive or not.  People see that sign and automatically assume the dog is aggressive. Some people see that sign and assume that there is no dog and the sign is only there to ward off the thiefs, then they walk in your yard and get bit then sue. And that sign that said beware of dog doesn't save you.

The Cheech story could have been different. there were so many other options.
The actions of 1 should not reflect the many.  As stated a few times Not all Cops are bad, not all Pits are bad.

I feel bad for my daughter. She posted here to warn others that have Pits that are like her Cheech. Alot of the posters seen that and sympathized with her and her loss. Then others decided to attack her or go on the defensive. once that happened it turned into an all out bash on law enforcement.

You were right! It did say mother in law ( I apologize)... but it did say her husband and dog walked over to your house to see what was going on. You stated clearly that you sent them to their house.

I'm not attacking her or you. I feel your loss. But the story keeps changing more and more. She said that the dog was under a truck. Does the truck have a lift kit? That's a pretty difficult shot to hit in the chest under the average truck.


Yes there is a difference... A man will stab you repeatedly, the dog will bite you repeatedly, the dog is quicker to react and reach you, the man will react 3-4 times slower, both results will ultimately end with alot of stitches, alot of blood, or death whether it be stabbed or mauled. Any person that's in a situation where their about to be attacked by an animal doesn't wait to be biten to euthenize said animal. If you have protection you prevent bodily harm from yourself and possibly others.

It's not hard to figure out what "Shoot to stop" means it it? Let me help you out... You engage that threat until said threat is not a threat anymore. That can achieved by the threat finally obeying commands, the threat being engaged upon and being incapacitated, or the threat being engaged upon and being killed.


They were where they were supposed to be. Mom sent them to that house stating the Davis's lived there.

I apologize for my posts. This whole story got to me. The cops did this to themselves. They are responsible for their own image and only they can fix it. Any law enforcement reading this knows damn well I speak the truth. No more posts from me.

maybe they had a reason to believe he was here thats obvious its my boyfriends brother but at 6:45 am he don't live here and they have been told that before and to shoot my dog not once but 4 times come on thats to much if they shot him once maybe he would still be here with me i left the house for the first time sense this happened and i was so sad when i got home and cheech wasn't at the back door waiting for us so he could go out this hole thing is just ripping my heart out i miss him soooooo much but i know nothing in this world will bring him back

yes my truck sits on 33's and there is an 6inch body lift on lit so it does sit high

Her husband and dog never made it to my house before he got across the field the cops left and headed to his house. I would assume he seen my hand pointing towards his house and turned around and headed back across the field to find out what they wanted.  They made it there before he got the dog back in the fence and inside that house.

As for the Truck yes it has a lift kit. it sits pretty far off the ground.
All of the blood from Cheech was under the truck.

I don't have the News paper any more. but I believe I read the detective said he shot the dog and it went down. So if that was the case why 3 more shots. the dog was no longer a threat. Now I could be wrong on that wording so don't hold me to that.

As for her story changing. it has but it hasn't . she has added more information to it and changed wording but the story is still the same. The police are the ones that said the dog came out of the gate. it was already out of the gate. and if they were looking over it they would have had to been at the gate and the dog would not have been able to get out as it opens out. they would have been leaning on it to see over therfore holding it closed.

If the detective was threatened by Cheech. which only the 2 detectives and cheech would know that. they of course had a right to protect themselfs . no one is argueing that. They just didn't have to kill him.  Killing should always be the last resort not the first. there are many options to take before it comes to killing

this thread isnt making cops look bad,the cops did that

Anyone that knows a pit knows it bites and locks it jaw so there is hardly any 3 or 4 time bites. And yes the dog could reach you faster than a man with a knife but if a man came at you with a knife and you shot him to stop him you would shoot him once and see if he stops, if he kept pursuing you you would shoot again not shoot 3 more shots right after another without checking.It's common physics but if someone or something gets shot it takes the body a while to shut down and drop. If your running full blast and get shot you won't drop right then your body is still in run mode and will make a few more steps. The problem I have is that he shot the dog repeated. If the dog was right up on him a few feet away I understand his safety was at risk but no one has stated yet how far the dog was from the officer.

I have followed this thread from the begining and I cannot sit back and be silent any longer.  As a retired USMC officer with 27 years of service to this country and 3 Purple Hearts, I have to say that most of the law enforcement I have known or encountered in my life have been pompous ass pricks who selectively enforce laws and think they themselves are above the law.  I totally disagree that they are out there risking their lives every day.  From my perspective they avoid dangerous situations and are very quick to shoot first and they always shoot to kill, not wound.  Our entire justice system is broken and has been for a long time.  With enough money and powerful friends, you can do and get away with anything.  You people bashing this young girl grieving over the loss of her dog should be ashamed of yourselves.  At least now I know who some of the assholes are on this site.   >:( >:(

For the record, I have never been arrested for anything and have only received 1 ticket after driving for more than 40 years.  I'm a law abiding citizen who does not like cops based on the few I've known or encountered.  Not all cops are bad but the bad ones significantly outnumber the good ones.  Just my opinion...

 ??? ??? ??? Not the sharpest tool in the shed are you?   :D




As an attorney, I wouldn't touch this case. I'm very sorry for the loss of the dog. I know some people are really attached to their animals and it is always hard when one is lost. Losing an animal this way is even more difficult. However, from a legal standpoint, I really can't see any ground to stand on. I'm not saying I agree with the officers' actions. However, this isn't a case I'd advise wasting money and time on.



Oh, KB...I hate cats too. Did you know that a cat will almost always blink when hit in the head with a ballpeen hammer? And come on man, you have to come to the rally. I owe you a cold one!  :drink.gif

Anorignal.  What kind of practice are you in.

I don't think this thread is going to go anywhere productive anytime soon.......

I was not bashing on your grammar, I was just messing around with you about not using the period key. We are all a bunch of nice people on this website, but it doesn't take much for us to rip apart someones stories, we sit at the computer and have no life, lol.

I do have a question though.... 6inch body lift???? or do you mean suspension lift? 6inch body lift is very very dangerous.

1) Ride1Rob & all the rest of us would be able to read & understand your posts better if you learned to puctuate & use the correct vocabulary.
2) The cop was stopping the threat, he wasnt sitting in a tree stand with a scope & taking aim. That would explain the random holes.

Why do you have beware of dog signs if your dog is so gentle? :S
Your "nabought's" dog was not shot even though you say he did "lung & try to bite the cop" SIMPLY BECAUSE HE WAS "CHAINED"
If your dog was chained or on a leash he would still be here right now. :banghead.gif

For one by law if you have have any type of dog you are supposed to have a beware of dog sign. For your protection along with anyone that might be coming onto your property. Same as a no Trespassing sign. Most people don't and if anything happens most insurance companies won't cover the claim. Her Grammar is not in question...Green are you a teacher or a politician? You like to Correct people and your a total ass!

Dang it, now I'm offended >:( as a Marine myself I really wish you had not identified yourself as a Retired Marine because the same people who stereotype Pit's and Cop's are gonna think all Marine's are Moron's after reading your post :(

YOU'RE WRONG!!! If the man, dog, whatever the threat is 40yds away that's different. Unless he had a gun and was pointing it at you there wouldn't be a leg to stand on if you shot him. He (Dog, man, etc...) would only be a potential threat. Once that man, dog, etc... begins to approach you and gets within a certain distance with said knife or to maul you, you engage that said threat and that doesn't mean to shoot once and wait to see if he has changed his mind about what he's doing. A split second could be the difference b/w people going home to see their kids or being injured or killed.

To the guy that stated he was in the Marines... did you fight any? If you did I'm pretty sure you didn't shoot one shot to see if your enemy was wounded or learned his lesson. You shot until the enemy stopped! I'm only trying to educate you guys on the rules of engagement. I don't know whether the Detective will be justified for pulling his gun and shooting the dog b/c I wasn't there. Even if the dog was under a truck and had an aggressive manner as if he was going to attack he is justified for pulling his weapon depending on how far he was from the dog. Based on what I know, the dog had to be relatively close.

I would like to add one more thing and then I'm done.  You said originally that they shot your dog while he was under the truck and then you said that your dog was shot in the chest, rear thigh and left shoulder.  So, you think the cop was walking around the truck shooting your dog?   I think we all know that was not the case, the dog came at the officer in a threatening manner and the officer had no choice but to stop the dog as quickly as possible.  You must know how fast all this happens it all happened within 1-2 seconds I'm sure so when does the cop have time to stop shooting and make sure your dog is done attacking.  

I do feel for you for your loss but none of this would have happened if the dog was not loose.  None of this would have happened if the guy the police were looking for showed up in court.  To blame the police for this is just wrong, it may be easier to hear that it's someone else's fault but in this case the fault lies with your little group of family, boyfriends, brother in laws and whatever else you have going on over their.  Good luck

And none of this would have happened if the guy would be taking responsibility and taking care of his kids...that's the real crime here...you say he's not a criminal for not taking care of his kids...i disagree big time.  Take care of your kids!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bp, I havent attacked you at all, actually made a joke out of your insult to me. Now you call me an ass? For calling someone out. I would say that is like the pot calling the kettle black. You are really cool. I bet you would be fun to drink a few beers with as long as we didnt talk religion & politics. ;)  I see pit bulls kind of like riding atvs, it is not a matter of if you will crash one day, but when. Same thing with a pit it is not a matter of if but when they act on their instincts that they were bread for from day 1. I know you all love me & the site wouldnt be the same without me to hash it out with you. :-*

there seems to be an issue about this child supprot thing and yes i agree child support should be pay i am a mother of 4 kids so i strongly agree with that but let me tell you this and everyone can take it as they was he was suppose to pay 500.00 in one month from being behind previously he is and has been for a year been working at a company that his child support comes directly out of his check and it leaves him less than 200.00 a week to live on i know his rent is 125.00 a week plus money for food electric and water how in the world does that even leave any money left so was he wrong for not paying it yes could he pay if how money don't add up that way does that make in a harden criminal no.

as for my do it really doesn't matter about all the little thing my biggest thing for putting my story on here was to let people know to just be careful with what they do and you know what if a cop would have went in a fenced back yard and seen a dog he would still shot if he felt threatened i didn't come on here to be bashed about grammer or my punctuations i just want everyone to be aware of what happened. wheather or not you think i was in the wrong or the cop was in the wrong was not the point here I'm just trying to maybe save someone and there dog from going threw what my family and i and my pets have gone threw. i think every day its going to be easier when i get up but guess what its not i just cant stop thinking of him and how good of a dog he was and how him and my boyfriend use to play sorry got to go now i cant do this  

gtnwood...  you are obviously one of those types who slam people for entertainment.  You struck a nerve refering to me as a moron.  How about a ride in the swamps together and we could discuss our days in the Corps.  If you really had any.

Actually, I'm a little deeper than that.
Remember everyone is entitled to their opinion's, just like you inferring I am not what I say. I usually enjoy riding with anyone and everyone, however I'm afraid riding and service to country is where our common interest's end. I respect authority i/e Law Enforcement etc... just like I respect our Military people, both of which have they're bad apple's.
By the way I got my C.A.R. among other's as an 0331 with B 1/8 Wpn's Platoon in Beirut, Lebanon 1983.

Just for the sake of stirring the hornets nest one last time, if anyone is interested to see the davis boys, go to Hillsborough County Sheriffs website & do an arrest inquiry. Robert L. Davis & Mitchell Davis. Now I know why you hate the cops so badly. You were right, they should have known your dog's name by now.

Wow, I guess this is the "Drama" you hear about all the time.
This thread's got practically everything, from Pitbull's and Trailor Park's, Husband's/Boyfriend's and Baby Daddie's, Fugitive's and Cop's, all kind's of name calling and ton's of uninformed opinion's to a couple of Old Marine's pissin in each other's Wheatie's.
 ::)Too bad no one posted that before this thread went off, it's self explanatory.

Greenmachine, good post, how about posting that link it's public information I see no harm in seeing who we are dealing with. 

I tried to post the mugs, but this site wouldnt let me. I use that site a lot when hiring people too. Funny who you find on there. I had one employee who liked to get drunk & fight with his wife, every time he didnt call in sick it was the 1st place I looked & 4 out of 5 times there he was. I say it is now truly time to call JERRY...JERRY...JERRY...JERRY...JERRY. Only he can get to the bottom of this now.

This is blupits husband,you crack me up.you think riding atv's are like pit bulls.Thats sweet.PLEASE DONT ASK TO RIDE MY DOG.THAT DOG WOULD BITE YOU.LOL J/K before you judge them why dont you come play with them,they do not know a stranger but let one of my three kids walk out side and they will forget you just played with them,then put my kid back in the house and they will play with you again.what more could you ask for out of a dog.In my "opinion" and you know what those are like;The blue pits are not like the other breeds of pits .they are alot more gentle and hardy ever aggressive.I had a german sheppard that was meaner than any blue pit I've owned or bred.anyways ya'll have a good day with this oprah winfree post.No hard feelings I hope.

I thought this sounded a little one sided, your post really explains "THE REST OF THE STORY".........good day.

Now thats some funny sh@t.

BP's husband, I probably could ride that big dog of yours, but I wouldnt. I am not here to say that the breed is evil & they should die. I owned a red nose, he was 1.5yrs old & weighed 83lbs. I loved that dog like nothing else. I guarantee you that he was never allowed to run free in an unlocked yard. I had to put him down after he got distemper, I spent almost $2000.00 to try to keep him alive. The 2nd vet said it was likeley from an outdated shot he was given as a pup. Oh well life goes on, I buried him in my backyard & it hurt as well. I didnt go on a forum & try to bash the vet & blame him for it, I just moved on...a whole lot shorter on funds I might add. What set me off in this post was the part about blaming the cops for doing this. The dog was not properly caged or leashed or this is all a mute point. Thats all, one day I am sure we will all run across each others paths probably at RR & most of you are welcome to reach into my cooler & grab a cold one....now that wife of yours, she will have to drink the busch lite & leave the good stuff alone. ;)

I love the internet, who would of thought that a simple post about a dog being shot by an evil policeman would turn into this.  I hate to leave now but I got to go fishing, good post greenmachine about that website, I am still  :L 2:L :R :L 2:L :R.

now i want to say this what the hell does there criminal record have anything to do with me or my dog so you mean to tell me no one on this sight has ever been arrested i myself have never been in trouble and you obviously looked that up too right??? so in other words my dog deserved to die because of there back ground and are you sure you looked at the right people there are many Robert Davis's and many Mitchell Davis so are you so sure you know what  you are talking about why do you feel its so necessary to do a background check on my family do you want the rest of my family's names so you can check there back ground too so what they have been in some trouble that still doesn't warrent my dog being shot once or even 4 times

I'm gonna flea now, my brain is startin to hurt.

LOL It's cool Green I like busting balls as much as the rest of you guys. It just seems like everyone picks on people who don't have the best grammar. And I appreciate the offer but I don't drink beer :) We'll meet up sometime and you'll see we're all just here to have fun. Ask QT,Chino and Freak (if you believe what they say! lol) We just like having fun and riding. I have been told before I need to go to Charm school along with being told my hubby needs to put me on a leash I know I'm outspoken and I'm damn proud of it!

exactly the point I tried to make on page 3 or 4.  Very good post.

I personally have NEVER been arrested for anything!!!
Actually yes I tried your name as well & congratulations you have not visited the pokey in Hillsborough Co.
Your dog died because he was not leashed & the officer perceived him to be a threat
The address matched Mitchel sr & Mitchel jr & Robert L Davis had a striking resemblance to Mitchel Jr & Roberts last address was in Riverview
Now please stop calling me out, I only posted public information.

In normal circumstances it means very little BUT when a thread like this pops up ,and lets be honest you are accusing the deputy of wrong doing,you have to take into account both parties characters.It plays a huge role in trustworthyness.To which it backfired when you slammed the "cops"  ,others jumped right on the bandwagon, and the arrest reports came forth about your side.Whether they are blood related or not it makes no difference in this situation for you talked of this as if was your own family.

Oh that's the Blupits we all know and love...hubby to the rescue.Just a joke settle down!

On the grammer issue, we all make mistakes typing online BUT when gross errors show again and again it puts forth an education level question...Lets be honest one more time:This board is full-O-rednecks as it should be but "witt" is an online game and those people suffer when that time comes.Like the P.I.T.A. comment..I mean really!..It's PETA for gods sake..a simple thought process would have shown that!

Common sense would have gone a LONG way the morning this happened.It's sad the way it turned out but the story has done a 180 as far as details are concerned.

FTR, I have NEVER been arrested..close yes but common sense took over and I got to go home.

You should consider whether your point is driving home with this thread or not.Defamation is strong with this one.

I take Libel from this thread...of course.

I have read "everything" and it comes down to this...

Choices you make in life have direct AND indirect consequences.

iluvmy250r wrote:
"this morning at about 6:45 am 2 undercover cops showed
up at my moms house so my husband and my dog walked
over there..."

Knowing the past involvement with police hey guess what...

Your husband should have left your dog in the house.

It's as simple as that.

obviuosly BUT you are assumng something with is idea....who's gonna say it 1st?

Fish Fry-

I am a civil trial attorney. Contract litigation, construction litigation, etc. It is the type of case I'd be involved in if it had merit.

Regardless, sorry about the dog. I hate that it happened.

All I am going to say, my brain is tired just from reading all of this, I can't believe this post is still going on.  And my gosh, some of the post are like a novel, we could write a book.  All I can say is WOW......

Y'all do your homework though!!!!! ;)

Some of you folks are heartless.  This young girl lost her her dog in an extreemely unfortunate incident.  Regardless of whether the cop was justified to shoot or not, the girl is grieving and some of you heartless a$$holes should be ashamed of yourselves for slamming her and her family for nothing more than entertainment.  I'm glad I've waited to become a contributing member of this site because right now I don't want to be associated with this group any more. 

Go ahead and slam me for your entertainment.  I can take it and who knows I may get the opportunity to meet you at the rally and we can really create some entertainment.  I hate a$$holes who hurt people for entertainment.

I would have to agree that if someone was here shopping for a new site and this thread is where they started it would look bad on the iste as a whole. I am not taking sides. Dog killed is very sad, Police doing their job or not it happened.
Everything else was taken way to far.
Come on guys and gals, lets get back on track..... 8)

I think that we would all agree that we feel terrible about what happen to her dog, that is a tragedy within itself.

And I think alot of people for awhile kept their comments to themselves, but in reviewing the post, she was also stating that shooting was not justified.  That may very well be, but to come onto a site, and at the same time to indicate these cops are dog killers, some of the facts just don't add up.  It is clear in the first post, why bring a dog out into the yard without a leash.  I don't care if you knew they were cops or not, I have a dog, and the last thing I am going to do in that situation is bring my dog out with out a leash.  It just doesn't add up.  Also in the first post, made it sound like they didn't even know the people they were looking for, well it turns out they did. 

Look you are on a public forum, people are going to read and discern what add's up and what does not.  And alot of the people on this forum totally respect law enforcement.  You think that it would be better if we all sided with her, and said oh yea them cops, they are a/h and so on.  That would make this forum look worse. 

And you make it sound like she some little young girl, she is not, she is an adult, it is not like they or we are debating with a child.  I think it just started that people were trying to get the facts straight.  All too often, when something like this happens, as tragic as is, the police are always blamed.  We don't know the whole story here, there is always two sides, well let me rephase that, three sides to every story, in this case her side, cop's side, and the truth.  And all that means is when you are involved in this type of situation, it made be harder to discern with what actually happen. Don't get me wrong it is tragic what happen to her dog, but at the same time, I truly don't believe the officer is sitting at home thinking to himself, wow that's was cool.  No, I don't judge him, and I don't judge her.  We don't have all the facts, and the facts that we do have don't add up. 

All I can say to her, is that we are truly sorry for your lost, trust me I get it when you lose a pet, and losing a pet that way is terrible.  None of us were there, none of us know who you are, so we are going to analyze the facts, and that's all that was being done. 

Thats why I said you had to drink the busch lite. ;)

You are being the not a very nice person sir...no one laughed nor said the dog got what he deserved.Stop making assumptions.You look foolish.

And FTR your "light-hearted threats" are falling on deaf ears.If you got something to say etough guy go right ahead.Nobody is biting their nails in anticipation of "meeting you somewhere" in the woodsfor a lesson.Childish seems to be a quality of yours.

The whole thread was started as a "look what this cop did to my dog".%75 of the OP points are null at this point.

Still sux they lost their dog...there is a lesson in here somewhere and we can all learn from it.Lets hope we find it before this gets locked.

Sorry about the dog.  Now, if someone would put together the music, this could  be a heck of a country song.

This guy really scares me & I wont be going to the rally because of the fear of being attacked by some psychotic ex-marine with PTSD. (although I could probably take him 8)) I thought threats would get you banned?

Forget the lawyer, just call the Jerry Springer show. He would pay big for this story. :stoogies.gif

The lesson is: if you post on a forum only part of your story... looking for a
sympathetic ear... you had better be sure that the rest of the story holds
as much merit and perceived innocence.

Dan

Sorry to hear of the loss of your dog, and may you find peace soon no matter how it ends.

As parents we set an example to our kids by our actions and words. I only hope very few kids read this thread.

Ok this post is getting way out of hand!

Shorgasm your funny!  :R
We all love to read your advise! You must be related to Dr.Phil! And hubby doesn't have to rescue me what's gonna happen someone gonna cyber slap me?! Ohhhh I'm scared!

I for one vote for this whole thing to be "poofed"...it's not doing anyone the least amount of good.

Wrong, when a terrier goes bananes they don't rip peoples throats out, Pits were bred to be exactly what they are, killers. Yes many are very sweet, but IT IS in their nature to tear you apart.

ANOTHER VERY GOOD POST....

Anyone up for a group ride?

I don't know what to say about the situation as I was not present.  I will say, though, I am truly sorry about the loss of your dog.  I love my pits dearly, and I could not imagine what I would do if I were in your situation. 

Wrong, when a terrier goes bananes they don't rip peoples throats out, Pits were bred to be exactly what they are, killers. Yes many are very sweet, but IT IS in their nature to tear you apart.

WRONG!!
What exactly do you think a pit is? It's a terrier! Pit bull is a slang name that was made for them b/c back in the 1632 Britain used them in the military and Rome was impressed with the way they protected and how loyal they were to their masters. Rome started breeding their own using them for pit fighting dogs..Hence the name Pit Bull.. When they came over to the US They were used in WW1 and became American Hero's they were loyal,fearless and have a high pain tolerance. The True name of the pit is American Pit Bull Terrier. Killing or tearing apart as you worded it is Animal instinct not pit bull instinct. Pits are very Loyal and protective THAT is their  true nature. If you threaten, tease or irritate any animal they will atack..Humans do the same, saying that it's in a pit bulls nature is like saying only Blacks or Mexicans kill...it's just not true.

OK I'd like to add my last .02 as well(FWIW) & then I'll leave it alone, since I'm like the 2nd person that replied to this post ,maybe I helped get the ball rolling, but I don't regret anything I had to say about it.
I would also add I was only in trouble once when I was 18(misdemeaner) so don't try to pull on a string & bring up that I'm someone who is constantly getting in trouble w/ the law, I just happen to know a few Detective's.



MudMarine,
First I'd like to thank you for fighting for me, my family & everyone else here, 3 Purple Heart's is for sure something to be proud of,
THANK YOU.

As far as Shorgasm's last post which he was quoting you , I'm sure, (but maybe I'm wrong), but I doubt he has he 1/2 the courage it took for you to   leave your family & go do what you had to do.
Also I would like to know how he could tell if anyone was or was not "laughing" at the girl over the internet  :-\(maybe he could tell us that).

But I can for sure say it seemed like some people were raggin on this girl, talking about  her typing skill's & Jerry Springer, & acted about as foolish as some of these deputy's HCSO has working for there broke azz department.(google that)

Also I know that some deputy's/detective's are good but some are also bad, same w/ any other profession,same w/ dog's, (unfortunately I know some of the bad HCSO detective's/deputy's, jail gaurd's)

You wouldn't believe the stuff I heard around them.
1 rode under cover w/ the Outlaw M.C. gang(Tampa) & he pretty much burried them.(late 80's)

A few yrs. after that I was riding w/ him in his unmarked Suburban up I-75, at about 100mph, back when it was 65 I think, anyway he got pulled over by a cop, jumped out of his car w/ his badge & hollered "DON'T YOU RUN MY F'n TAG, DON'T YOU RUN MY F'n TAG". I guess he woulda got in trouble for having it ran. Any one else woulda got a fat ticket or jail.

Also I'd like to add that some of you(who are not in law enforcement, cause I'm sure the one's that are unless there rookie's already know about this) wouldn't believe some of the stuff he brought home from the evidence room (his friend worked the evidence room).

Also I had a friend on her way home from work on Courtney Campbell Cswy.(Tanga) how she was suggested  to get out of the ticket by the deputy.

Lastly, I think it's funny how some of my friend's who's parent's were LEO & had got into some trouble, all they had to do was say a name.

I woulda been in jail for the night, w/ a record.

I want to add how I notice most of the male deputy's I see in there car's (not all, but a lot) are way over wieght, I don't know how they could even run fast.

i thank you all for your post and as many have said this has gotten way out of hand i did expect negative commits to the dog being a pit but i never expected people to bash me and my family let alone my grammer oh and one more thing the cops know us because  of out 4 wheeler and in November of last year we has 3 stole and we run an impound lot so it not from a few arrest and we do have cop friends and retired military friends as well so believe me when i say this i don't hate cops I'm glad we have them to protect up all i really wanted from this post was for people not to get hurt or make the mistakes we did i didn't mean for this to be a war by no means.

"I want to add how I notice most of the male deputy's I see in there car's (not all, but a lot) are way over wieght, I don't know how they could even run fast."

Well to be perfectly honest, they dont really need to when the typical 40 caliber cop round travel's at anywhere from 1200-1400 F.P.S.
Not tryin to be a smart azz or anything.... um actually I am just tryin to be a smart azz.
It's a joke, Git it?

no  i dont get it.What are you tryin to say?Fat cops are ok because they can shoot you?

I'm bein a smart azz, surely you can see how ludicrous this thread has become ???

One thing was for certain.MudMarine was acting a like a juvenile.Courage to defend has nothing to do with post.If you took that from my post I apologize for it was not my intent.

So on that note lets back the hell up and take a look at what you said.This will get good.

how can I tell no one is laughing at the dog being killed?..are you serious?

Everybody feels bad the dog got shot...it's the owner that feels the brunt.They are the "parents".

I don't care what the hell my dog does it is MY responsibility what happens to my animal.Good bad or indifferent I am ultimatley responsibe for my dogs actions.

Thx for taking the time out of your day to generalize.

It was just a joke JackL don't take offense. Thats kinda why the LOL was behind it. I'll leave it at that and not put in too much detail about why I was picking on you, but I'm sure you and everyone else know why.

And as for the Rumors and Made up BS are standard on this forum... if you don't like how the forum is run find a new one. And if your referring to what I think, there's always 2 sides to a story but when you know someone personally and you know their character you tend to believe them. Why would they lie unless something was said or done to provoke it?

Have a good day!  :)

This could be a spin off thread but I'm with ya on this one Blu.... :ThumbsUp.gif

   Holy cow!!! All this over a dog being shot? We really need to organize more group rides.Some people have way too much energy going in the wrong direction...

Woo Hoo I got the maytag man on my side! YEAAAA lol


I guess since everyone takes me so seriously I better put

JUST PICKING!!!!!!!!!! lol

lol...smart a$$

Did someone say group ride? b:r

LMAO, now here's what I should have said. - "Why you want to compare me to AMH???..."

Now I know me and you have at least passed on a trike or while we were killing it out at McNab once!!
I've been waiting for someone to mention that place the entire time I've been here. I lived off Southgate back then and use to take my big ole k30 'rickety' to that place every day after work and all weekend for ever. If I wasn't there I was tearing up my cr250 up and down what is now the Sawgrass Expressway.

I have regular photos from those days, some good stuff. You are probably in one. Thanks for the trip down memory lane. (http://www.floridaatv.com/smf/Smileys/Lots_O_Smileys/tu2.gif)

I just saw a blurb on channel 8 with another dog being shot by police that looks a lot like the dog Hercules and Cheech both shown in this post.

i was getting on here to say the same thing but guess what this dog didn't die they shoot him 2 times and got the dogs leg and one bullet roached of the concrete and hit the cop and yes it does look like my cheech

"Roached"? Uh oh, man those Cop's really are some real bad Cop's if they're smokin weed when they're cappin everyone's dog's. :o

Who left the door unlocked on the short bus??? (http://www.floridaatv.com/smf/Smileys/Lots_O_Smileys/nono.gif)

Well post some names on these poor "victims".  I think it has already been established with a quick criminal search that if the police did not go in to this mobile home park with the swat team then they would be making a mistake.  I can't believe you guys would still be posting about this subject with the record these thugs had and still blaming all on the cops,  give me a break.  Anyone that still has an ounce of sympathy for you guys will loose it when they pull up the perps record, not just the perp involved but his brother and I may be wrong but I thought I saw another.................I leave it at that.  But, yes in this case if the police did not have their guns drawn going in then it would have been a major mistake on their part.  Dogs are gone get over it and maybe think about paying restitution to all the other real victims from these thugs.

Yes that has been clearly established :Clap.gif
Well what are we gonna do for fun now, now that you have effectively ended this thread? :J

Very sorry to hear about Cheech.   I loved & lost too many
and it never gets any easier.   Remember Cheech every day!
I believe Heaven is run by dogs, cats & animals in general.   So
you'll play with Cheech again - - you'll be a little older but he'll
always be a 2-year-old lump of fun.


   

I'm sorry for bumping it back to the top, I know I said i was gonna leave it alone,sorry.(but since other people are,why not)
But i think I know what happened, I think the deputy was hallucinating & maybe he really thought the dog was attacking him, otherwise he prob. wouldn't of shot 4 X's (to kill)

Do a Google search on "911 call,cop ate brownie's" & you'll see what I'm trying to say(there's a couple different recording's, listen to both, I promise you'll laugh at it, just like I mentioned before what came out of the evidence room. I wish I could post a link to it. But it's real easy to find.

Also, I don't know why this girl should be blamed for anything her older brother's have done in the past.
Look at what the mayor of N.Y.C.  got caught smoking more than once.

All I was trying to really say is I don't think the dog shoulda been shot to kill, 1 shot and that dog woulda b!tched right up.

JERRY,JERRY,JERRY,JERRY

Hold up now, first it was her Husband, then her Boyfriend, now it was her Older Brother., wow this really is Jerry Springer material.
p.s. it was the Mayor of D.C. that got caught smokin crack. Silly Mayor ya dont smoke crack ya .......... :o