ATV Florida Forum

I just bought a 2002 Ford F-250 with the 5.4 L Triton, which is a 260 HP motor, producing 350 Feet Pounds Torque, and is supposed to get 13 / 17 MPG

I am wanting to get a little more HP, nothing CRAZY.. and get better gas mileage..

I am going to do a K&N Gen II Performance Intake, which gives about 40+ HP boost, and about 10% better MPG

I saw a "Throttle Body Spacer" at one time, which is supposed to give you better MPG also..

A friend of mine has this same truck, but in diesel, and was telling me he did a Diablo Programmer, and gets 19 / 22 and is turning 500 HP to his rear wheels, with intake, exhaust, and programmer..

My uncle who is a Diesel Mechanic, said he would not suggest the Chips or Programmers, they may cause problems, but he has never used one..

Someone please let me know your thoughts on this matter..

Thanks,
Tony

no intake will give you +40hp

a programmer works alot different on a diesel than it does a gas motor. noticable perf gains on your truck would be minimal at the most

dont waste your money on a throttle body spacer

500rwhp is hard to believe w/just intake, exhaust, and diablo. sounds like he is adding up advertised hp increasment numbers

my suggestion would be to save that money for gas. or you could spend around 1k for exhaust, intake, and programmer to see a possible 1-2 mpg increase

I am going to eventually do exhaust, but the K&N will be soon.. I just wanted to know if the programmers or Chips are really " Any good "

Tony

TB spacer is a waste of $$$$$, larger MAS= more air and fuel...IE more HP and Loss of fuel econ.  Programmers require higher octane fuel to obtain the performance upgrade due to the advance. Exhaust and intake frees up the engine and improves both HP and economy. The best thing you can do to get more bang for your buck is a supercharger but the easyest is the intake and exhaust.  Don't buy anything that claims easy install two wire hookup chip....RIP OFF!!! I hope this helps some.

don't go with the K & N I know on Diesels the AFE Stage 2 is about the best. research b4 you buy. there is not Air Intake thats going to give you 40+ hp on a gasser. Also there is no way your buddy gets anywhere near 500 hp with just the exaust, intake and diablo. Did he put it on a dino machine or just figure that is what he had

I just read a report by a reputable diesel forum...on the dodge diesel, pretty much every aftermarket intake reduced hp, none increased, at least not by any signigicant amount.  the only time an aftermarket filter was an improvement was on a modded engine.  obviously different truck than you're talking about, but i would bet the results wouldn't be much different

w/ a programmer and exhaust n intake you can easily get 500+ hp out of a diesel a chip alone adds atleast 120hp

Very true, and any difference that there might be would be WAY up in the RPMs and not at an engine speed that you would be towing at. On a gas engine I would either do nothing or do a supercharger. Boost is the only thing that will give you more power at a usable engine speed.

Aint happening, not at the wheels. 400hp. yes.  500hp will need $$$$turbo upgrades or nitrous along with injectors and fuel system upgrades.

I  was going to say the same thing it takes big money to get to 500 hp at the wheels in Diesel (at least a powerstroke I don't know a whole lot about cummins and dmax)

sure it is Chillin...it's rounded math...350 advertised hp, add another 120-150 for a chip, and walla, 500hp...what most people don't realize is that 350 is probably 270 or so at the rear wheels, and very few chips actually put out what's advertised (there are exceptions), so 400 is realistic.

and don't forget thousands for a tranny

all good post.  i would recommend afe intake, way better than k&n.  the only chips/programmers putting out the HP that they advertise are usualy the custom programmers or chips that are tuned to your trucks mods and what you are doing.  If you have a ford, you need to contact Jody Tipton from DP Tuner, by far the best ford programmer in my opinion.  Very good to work with and you can check any forum, he is TOP NOTCH. 

www.dp-tuner.com
www.thedieselstop.com
www.thedieselgarage.com

Chech his name on those websites.  Oh and 500 hp out of exhaust, intake and chip is smoking crack.  Not going to happen.  For one, the stock tranny is not going to hold it.  Without turbo upgrades and injectors your not going to make it.  To make that big HP you have to have the fuel and the air (and big oil pump and cooler for it to last), and you won't get that with just intake, tuner and exhaust.

I would suggest looking at the AFE air filters over the K&N's you will find that they have done their research. although similar in design they stop alot more dirt over the K&N without reducing air flow

everything i read says the same thing.  I'm also hearing/reading even better things about amsoils nano-fiber filters...AMSOIL Ea Air Filters...no oiling

has anybody ever tried the Bullydog propane injection.I saw it on trucks on the spike channel looked pretty cool.

keep the propane in your BBQ, there are better ways to make power.

5.4L: ::) diesel info don't meen squat to the boy.

Free flow air filter and a cat back exhaust will help a little. Everything else is just show.

I am contemplating the 7.3L turbo diesel.. the 5.4 is only getting about 10mpg, which is SH** obviously..

My dad wont believe me that the diesel gets about 14-16 mpg city stock, and with intake, exhaust and programmer, you can easily get 18-22, depending on which programmer you use..

I am taking the 5.4 back to get the FULL $$ back guarantee.. It is the biggest waste of a truck to say the least..

Tony

A good place to start is Ford Truck Enthusiasts. 

http://www.ford-truck.com

Look in the forums.

They do not make the 7.3 any more.

I plan to buy used, but not abused..

I heard the 6.0's have a lot of problems, since they are gas engines converted to diesel..

I am thinking about the 7.3 PS, but i need to get enough evidence to show my dad that diesels in general DO GET BETTER GAS MILEAGE.. He will not believe me..

The 5.4 SUX and should not of ever been put in that size truck.. The supercharged 5.4 maybe, but not the regular one..

Tony

The 6.0 is a converted gas engine, thats the funniest thing I have ever heard.
  If you buy a diesel for the gas mileage savings alone, it will take a LONG time to even break even.  If you haul heavy stuff for long trips it is worth it for the ease of towing. Personaly I just like the way they sound, everybody gets excited by how much quieter they get every year, not me, let it RATTLE.

 ???? GAS converted to diesel??? LMAO..NOT the case bro...whoever you get your info from..STOP!! lol  6.0 has been a diesel from the day it hit the drawing board and they have been almost flawless in 05 and 06. The 7.3 is an awesome engine, you are correct there but the fuel economy sell will never work. You will spent typically 5 to 7 thousand more for a powerstroke over a Gas engine ... with  fuel and gas being close to the same price you would have to drive that truck over 500,000 miles for it to pay for itself in fuel savings alone. If you need a diesel for pulling that its worth all the $$$$ you pay for it but for a daily drive it make no sence. As far as you statement about a 5.4 in the truck being worthless, you couldnt be more wrong the 5.4 it the perfect truck engine for a full size truck that doesnt pull a heavy load all the time. Do some more research or find a more credible source before you post. ;)

SWAMP

I bought the 5.4 Monday night, drove it 13 miles on the highway, back to my house, and drove 130 miles over 4 days and was at 1/2 tank..About 10 MPG without pulling anything, hauling anything..NOTHING..

My 1995 Dodge ram 1500 gets better gas mileage then that..Yes i know the 1500 is a lot lighter then the F-250, and also has a tad bit smaller motor..But for what i haul, my 1500 does just fine..For towing, the 1500 is a bit "iffy" so i thought get a 3/4 ton..

FORGET THAT.. I found the same year diesel F-250 with 178,000 miles for $ 5000 LESS then i paid for the gas engine..

$ 5000 in diesel fuel can go a LONG WAY..

The 5.4 is going back , me getting my $$ back and they can sell it to someone, who wants to WORK to put gas in there truck..

Tony

I have a 00 gmc sonoma ext.cab with the 4.3 vortec v6.I pull a 12ft.trailer w/2 quads and mine in the back of the truck no problem doin 75 on the highway loaded down and still get 12-15 mpg.but I would like to move up to an f-150 or a 1500 with a v8 in the future.

Good luck giving the truck back...usuallu when you title it you own. Swamp could shed more light on that.

 Yes, there is allot people that think they have 3 days to deside if they want to keep something they bought...its called a 3 day right of recision and it only applies if you are solicited in your home or place of buisiness, so if you go someplace to buy something...you own it. Sorry but that is the law.

well Carmax isnt that way.. Took it back and got my $$ back, told em i am not satisfied with it, and they took me out on the lot to look at some diesel F-250's, but they are WAY overpriced there..

Tony

I bought a diesel for a daily driver and you were happy to sell it to me Swamp  :drive.gif

just  kidding I pull either my boat or a trailer every weekend the 5.4 is a good engine in a 150 but I would never buy a 250 that has a 5.4 if you want to stick with gas go with the V10 F250 I know a couple people that are very happy with there gas V10 F250

Ynot0323 call Scott he has some nice F-250 up there right now I know its a nice lil drive from Miami but he is a great guy and gives good prices

The best thing that you should have done is gotten a diesel truck. You do have a point, when you put a chip on a truck , it does mess up easy. Theres only one model, for example,the ford V10's can have a chip added on and nothing will happen but the fords V8 do mess up. 2 of my uncles have fords, one has a ford f-350 king ranch and he has a bully dog chip, air filter and 4in. exhaust, his truck is starting to give problems, my other uncle has a ford f-250 king ranch with a bigger turbo, exhaust and filter. the f-250 had about 3 chips and his fuel sensor blew. he had to change them all, and now he has no chips. but wen he had the chip,he was gettin 14 miles a gallon, now without the chip hes gettin 10 miles. it really depends which chip you put on your truck.

I'll 2nd the 150 w/5.4L. Works well for most and can get near 18 mpg in stock trim. The F250 is a heavy truck. The 5.4 will only get about 15 mpg in F250 trim.

I own a 04 F250 W/6.8L V10. It works great for me: I tow heavy once or twice a month.
I was certified diesel mechanic when I left HS. The trade has done me well but I don't own a diesel.
I prefer to deal with the 13 mpg V10 than the current issues on late model diesels.

That sounds like used car dealer talk. Most honest places will give you three days.

Hate to break the news, but you won't get over 20 mpg out of a 7.3 diesel.  i get about 17.5, but with my tuner my overhead console says 20.5 all day long.  that confuses alot of people.  when you put a programmer on a 7.3 diesel you can throw the overhead console mpg calculation out the window.  i thought the same thing when i was looking at them, but now know.  and adding an exhaust, bigger intake turbo housing, afe air intake, boost regulator, and a custom tuner to a 7.3 is not going to hurt it.  Trust me i have one.  Now i do actually have a set of gauges, and I have to drive by the gauges and not by the pedal anymore.  For instance, i am about to change my waste gate actuator because it is opening up prematurely because the spring is weak in it, and when i was pulling a 5th wheel this past weekend on some steep slopes in SC, i would have to back out of the throttle some and hold my EGT's at around 1150 degrees.  You can say what you want, but if your going to get a ford you need to call jody tipton from dp -tuner and talk to him.  Getting a bully dog, or superchips, or standard tuner that is not custome tuned for your truck is a waste of money.  your not getting your money's worth, get a custom tune.  there are other people out there besides jody tipton that do it, but he is one of the best.

 Well I really don't think I should have to defend myself but when someone stereo types people it is offensive not to mention insulting someones integrity that you have never met, it demands responce. I have grown up in a small town and have been in the Auto industry for over 20 years in this same town having worked and schooled my way through the business and progressed myself through education and knowledge NOT lies and deceit. I have NEVER stretched the truth, Lied about a vehicle or sold something that I didn't feel comfortable selling. I have turned down deals , Lost $$$$ to help someone in need and even cosigned for someone I didn't know to get them a car when none else would. I run an honest Dealership and would never compromise myself or my integrity to sell a vehicle. The three day right of rescission is a Florida Law on the Books that you should research before making such a statement , but @ 26years old You know it all so research it a wast of time. My information was and is correct about the rescission law and was meant to be informative not "used car dealer talk". I challenge you to find anyone more honest and willing to help others that myself. May the next dealership you buy a car from live up to your expectations. ;)

Swamp Donkey,

sent you an e-mail on the F-250 Lariat you have on the heartland motors website..

Tony

smoke, did u get my pm?

well my buddy jethro gots a 6.9L powerstroke and he put one of them 7.3L super bully dog chips and he be gettins bout 24mpg with the 6.0L injectors in the damn thing

 10-4 I will get it in the AM...still drugged up ;)

Junior, you may have had some bad luck w/ a used car dealer in the past.  You may be discussing a stereo type.  Many on here can assure you that Swamp Donkey is an upstanding man all around.  He has integrity above most ppl I've ever met both in personal life as well as w/ his business dealings.  I certainly hope you were not taking a stab at someone you have no knowledge of and have never met.  I know this man personally and he goes above and beyond ALWAYS!  And often gets screwed for helping others out.

ROTFFLMFAO  THat is the funniest thing I have heard in a long time!!!!!

Donkey is a standup guy and will bend over backwards to help ANYONE.  Alot of the time he gets burned helping someone but doesn't care.    SWAMP DONKEY FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!

I will buy my next truck from Donkey, I have publicly seen him tell someone not to bother coming to the dealership to look at a truck cause it didn't meet his expections, how many dealerships would do this?  And this is after Donkey BOUGHT the truck with his own $$$$.  What happened he ATE the cost.

Thats what i have heard and read.. In the new copy of Diesel Trucking, there is a article on Window Sticker MPG..

Gassers get 1.75-2.5 % less then they claim, and Diesels get something likie 4.3 % better then they claim..

That there, will be PROOF enough for my dad to see that the diesels get better fuel economy..

A co-worker of mine has a 2002 Excursion, with the 7.3 and added a K&N Air Filter ( not intake ), exhaust, additional gauges and a DP Tuner and says city he gets about 18-19 mpg and on the highway gets 22mpg..

That is on the 80 HP Economy setting..

Seems good enough for me.. to get 18 city and 22 hwy on a truck is a BEAST..

Tony

Tony....   You cannot put a 7.3 bullydog chip on a 6.9, no computer in the 6.9.  The 6.0 injectors will not work on a 6.9 again no computer to control the injectors.   The 6.9 is a pure mechanical engine.  It was first introduced into the ford trucks in 1983 and the last production year was around 1990.  This person is pulling you leg.

If you can find and old 6.9 you will get 25mpg all day long.  I had one and LOVED it.

I'm sorry. I had no idea you are in the business. I didnt mean to insult you in anyway. I am here to talk about atvs and talk online with the great people I met at L-Cross. My brother has a dealership in north caolonia and they don't like jokes about car salesmen either.

I would never take a stab at someone I dont know personally - that would be childish. I just call things like I see em. It is cause I am the only girl in a LARGE family of boys.I think everyone who deals with vehicles should just agree it as is taillight warrenty. We bought many trucks and big equipment over here through the years my dad buys a new Freightliner every year and my brothers have every 4wd vehicle you ever seen and then some from countries I cant pronunce. and it is always cash and always as is buying and selling with us. We have good and bad things happen. They all laugh at my little rancher and 28" tires. that is why they call me junior. I cant believe how much fun these little things are. almost as good as an airboat. I wish I could take it to corbitt but thems the breaks in the big city.

Hey jason I agree with you,but I do get 22mpg with my 7.3 but I have also got a bunch of work done to it but I also have different gears in the front and rear.but thats is just driving it easy,if I pull a load behind it my mpg drops a little.

BluPits04, i am aware that if you are towing, your MPG will drop a little.. At most i tow either a 1500 lb boat or 3000 lbs of scrap metal..NOTHIN HEAVY HEAVY !!

Tony

damn straight you cant put no 7.3L bullydog chip on a 6.9, gots to use the SUPER bullydog chip like i said

and the SUPER bullydog chip controls the 6.0L injectors once you put them in the 6.9L

powerstrokes have lots of interchangeble parts, im begining to doubt your resourcefulness on this subject muddfreak

JohnF you show me where Bully Dog has the SUPER BullyDog controller  http://www.bullydog.com/index.php?customernumber=1013646811867&pr=ef7da766d7&thiscat=110&=SID (http://www.bullydog.com/index.php?customernumber=1013646811867&pr=ef7da766d7&thiscat=110&=SID)

Also the 6.9 is a common rail fuel system, the 6.0 and the 7.3 have different fuel delivery systems (yes they are both have fuel and oil passages in the heads but they are different)  Also the injectors are different sizes between the 3 engines, and you cannot swap the 6.0 heads on to a 7.3 or a 6.9.  Now you can swap the 6.9 nd 7.3 heads.  And yes i know the 7.3 is nothing bot a bored and stroked 6.9.

why would the Super bullydog chip be on bullydog's website?  it would be on the superchips website if anywhere, it was a chip made by Superchips and they called it the bullydog but had to stop making it because the company "bullydog"  had a copyright over the "bullydog" name. you can find used ones for sale on ebay every once in awhile

ok John you keep thinking that, btw let me know when you have a 6.9 running with the 6.0 injectors with the 7.3 chip.

my buddy jethro has a running 6.9L with 6.0L injectors with the 7.3L Super Bullydog chip, damn thing gets it too

cant believe youve never herd of the super bullydog chip, and you even own a ford too! unbeliveable!

I have a few questions, the 6.9 has mechanical injectors, fuel pump and NO computer, the 6.0 electronic/oil injectors, The heads in the 6.9 do not have oil passages to accommodate the 6.0 injectors.  How did he get the oil there to operate them?  Don't say he used the 6.0 heads cause the will not fit.

I have heard of the 6.9 and the 7.3 with modified DT530 injectors with a custom tune and they kick AZZ when done right.

the Super Bullydog chip makes it all possible man, dont question it

but you probably have never herd of the super bullydog chip because it was made in the town of CandyLand, in the republic of Itsajokeidiot, just south of louisiana. it was manufactured my elves and dwarfs, then sprinkled with fairy dust so you probably cant see it either.

just keep checking ebay and youll see one every once in awhile. shipping takes forever though

I dont think Mudfreak realized that it was the Super Bullydog, I think he thought it was the regular one.
 The Super Bullydog was invented by JackL deep in the swamps of Holyland.

Thanks Chillin, All I can say is WOW that SUPER BullyDog must be something special if JackL invented it....  DOyou know where i can get one?????     ;)

There is a huge backlog on this product due to the fact that JackL is SO busy schooling people on the fine art of mud ridding. People think that you can just go down to your local dealer and get a new quad (no $ down, $69 a month) then take a trip to Wallmart for a camo cooler and some goggles, fill cooler with beer and go sink your new machine (at least it will be yours in 60 months) handlebar deep in the goo.  Its just not that simple people, it takes years of training and practice to develope these skills.

take this bs to some other thread

This thread gave ESPN the inspiration for the talking out the a$$ commercial!

Yeah, I've been on a waiting list for like six months trying to get a mud riding lesson. At $150.00 per hour, it's worth it though.

It is your lucky day Anoriginal!! I will be at the airboat ramp over at Macs in one hour to give em out for free.