ATV Florida Forum

      Since my threads are disappearing in the Florida ATV Rally forum, I will post the information I had posted there, here.  Please, mods, if you don't want this posted up, please PM me and I will be glad to discuss it to see why you don't want it posted and will cease and desist.

   Manatee Sarasota Fish and Game is a sponsor of Envirothon (http://www.flenvirothon.org/) MSFG sponosors Envirothon. (http://www.fishorshutup.com/manatee_sarasota_fish_and_game_a.htm) (Background, Mr. Matt Taylor board member of the new ATV association, has said he has 15-years associated with the MSFG.)

   In case you don't want to follow the Envirothon link, here is a paragraph from the "Introduction" page:

 

  Here is the link to Teaming with Wildlife (http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:KlO1zC3EGBAJ:www.teaming.com/tww_endorsements/Florida_Supporters.doc.doc+Manatee+Sarasota+fish+and+game+Teaming+with+Wildlife&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a) This is the national organization that has radical environmental groups supporting it; groups like Defenders of Wildlife (to refresh your memory, Defenders put out that article "Out of Control" of which Linda Duever was technical advisor. Out of Control is a very derogatory and inflammatory article about how evil ORVs/OHVs are and how they shouldn't be allowed on public lands) and Florida Wildlife Federation (FWF). FWF started out as a very good conservation organization for hunters and fisherman, but the current leadership, Manley Fuller to be specific, has lead FWF to the greenie side. They have lost almost all of their lifetime members....members that were the original founders of FWF!

   Maybe this thread won't disappear. It isn't in Florida ATV Rally, and has a different moderator. I was not informed that my threads were going to disappear, nor was I warned to quit posting about anything that I had said on either thread.

   On the first thread, just before it disappeard, I did ask Mr. Taylor if the Acquisition and Restoration Council (ARC) was the Environmental Land Acquisition group of which he claimed to be a member. The only statewide group that he could have been a part of would be ARC.

    I am not going to continue this nonsense further. This has not been a discussion, it has been a character assassination. I haven't been supportive of either most members of the Board, or the rally itself, but I have not gotten nasty and sarcastic like I have in the past either. I have tried to give my lil 'ol opinion of which some folks are giving what I consider way too much weight and therefore attacking me and my character to discredit my efforts for the ATV fight.

    I don't know why. I am just one person, and I haven't seen where I am that important really.....one person can't change a state or national agenda, so why attack me in such a way? Why hijack threads in other forums? Why delete threads where I am asking questions and bringing information forth?

   Again, I wish the rally good luck and hope the association is everything the ATV folks need it to be.

If I am not mistake you were asked to take all questions regarding the associaiton to the associations website. you just won't quit, will you?

you were informed in the threads that they were going to be removed and you should post them on floridaatvassociation.com

  No, I was not. I have had no PMs and since I wasn't off the site except to work when the first one was moved, then deleted and only off the board for a day-and-a-half for the second, wasn't really given any notice about it in the threads either.

   
   Thank you Big Scrub for being polite.

why us?  :-\

honestly your lucking i am not running this site, because this would be my PM to you.  ATV Florida supports the rally and if you don't like it or how ATV Florida is ran, start your own website.  A group of people who have actually done what many have said they were going to do, and people continue to give them grief.  So what if a few people have not made good choices to support OHV's in the past (if that actually is the case, I am not sure) atleast they are helping out now.  Do you honestly think any organization you support, that everyone sees exactly how you see?  Well that is not the case.  That is why they say opinions are like @ssholes, everyone has one.  Apparently no one really cares about what information you are digging up, so why waste your time.  Either you are going to support the rally, or not support it.

I couldn't stand how ATV Florida was ran a few years ago, but some things were changed, and I compromised on a few things and went on about my business.  I didn't start a BS post about how I didn't think a certain moderator was doing the right things, etc.  Now I have enjoyed a few group rides with that moderator and we talked about all the BS that was going on and laughed.

you tell her Smoke!       move on girl you are not wanted here ???

No matter what she has to say, she is a girl. Something seriously lacking in this sausage factory.

I enjoy watching an AnOriginal cyber whipping, so let her stay, so he doesn't beat me up any more and you won't have to waste a bag of slacked lime. Haha

Hey Smoke, I had no idea that you had issues with Ida!   ;D

::)

I think he was meaning that OTHER moderator that we banned for life ;-)

I have held my tongue on Ms Lisa,,,mostly but I can think of only one reason why she persists like she does and that is to try to divide and conquer.  Think about it people, when has she ever been a uniting force to most of the people here?

My only conclusion is that she is a mole planted by the dark side to try divide us into smaller groups so that we will be easier to defeat.

I dunno, what's your opinions people?

Id@

lisa this is typical of this web site i,ve learned to live with it, it,s kinda of a moderators web site if you know what i mean, but i still enjoy most of the topics in the site

I have not seen anything Positive from Lisa about the Rally


DVX400??? are you serious?...LOL

Lisa:

Your diatribe gets more and more remote each time you post. I'll do my best to address your pointless rants, not for your sake, but for the rest of the members who are left scratching their heads because of your bizarre ramblings.

First, I think you were trying in some way to link the MSFG (Manatee Sarasota Fish and Game) and my involvement in the same to Defenders of Wildlife and FWF. How and why you'd try to do this is beyond me. MSFG does not have anything to do with, nor do they support (and haven't) either of these organizations. Maybe you were going for a guilt by association ploy by mentioning my name in the same paragraph as these organizations? Not sure. That was pretty crazy in my opinion.

Second, your myopic revelations about ARC are laughable. ARC is not and was not the only organization involved in identifying and reccomending environmentally sensitive lands for purchase by the state. You didn't exactly ask me where I was involved as much as you automatically assumed I was part of ARC. Regardless, I'm not sure what point you were trying to make.  You only made yourself look more foolish.

Finally, nobody but you has engaged in character assassination. You've popped into threads and topics with nothing but criticism backed up by nothing but innuendo and falsities. You've provided ZERO factual grounds for your allegations, most of which have been indirect and broken. You bad mouth people you know nothing about, cast gloom and doom on organizations for no other reason than the fact that they are on their way to accomplishing things you never could. You make posts like the one starting this thread then complain when you get blasted out of the water. Your hypocrisy is amazing.

Let me set something straight for you. Nobody gives any weight to your opinions. Responses are made to your blabber for the sole purpose of clarifying any questions other members might have as a result of your nonsense. In my opinion (one I dare say is shared by most) you are in need of help. Your posts have become more and more detached and nebulous. Your posts were deleted probably because they were riddled with inaccuracies and false innuendo. You've got your own forums you've created to post that nonsense in.

Please go away. We don't want or need you here. Honestly, I hope you find something better to do with your time that will help you and your mindset.

sorry, but I do not know what you mean, could you explain please?

I do, and have always done, my best to follow the rules laid down on this site and try to keep order as best as possible,,,,that is what the other moderators do as well.

How many phone calls have you gotten at 1am from another member asking that a particular thread or post be deleted because of the pornagraphy or offensive and possibly inflamitory comments made in them?  There are over 6000 registered members here now and 5 moderators,,,,,not sure what the post count is per day, but it is work most times and not all fun.

so I ask, please explain.

Id@

Very well said Matt !!!! , Of course that is your profession though.
 I know Mr.Matt Taylor, Ms Lisa, And I find your accusations towards him VERY offensive. Matt is NOT what you are proclaiming him to be. If I have ever known someone to do things to protect "our rights" Matt is that person.
 So I will say this, Matt, keep on with it! We need your wisdom and expertise. Thanks for all you have done.


 Ida, I couldnt agree with you more, Being a mod is NOT always fun. More of a JOB than anything ( and NOT get paid for the job done). So I ask this DVX, Please explain your accusation.
 I will even ask this question to you. Are you even old enough to vote???? , Or are you just rambling on in a teenager rant??

Hey Id@ is the words of Bounty/AD  


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Like I was saying...:)

Damtgman you know we cool...Life is too short...I do have to agree you guys do an excellent job with this website...Been a long time since we had some bull$hit like this going on.  Hey yo check this out.  Remind me to never offend Anoriginal.  I mean he is a friend of Chillin and Dynodon and them are my boys, so Anoriginal is my boy too, but dang.  This man can falt @ss lay an internet whipping down.  I mean I go the low road and talk trash, but Anoriginal straight up giving you the english dictionary version of internet @ss whipping.  I just don't know why this girl keeps coming back for more of it, she is persistent, I have to give her that.

Excuse me sir but you are still on a website with 98% rednecks.

I think diatribe is something like a whole indian nation getting colorful t-shirts or something.....

Id@

That's funny right there.....I don't care who you are.

Seriously, dynodon, Smokn, Scrub bro's and everyone else, I appreciate the comments and support. I've really met some great folks on this site and made many new friends. Everyone I've had issues with in the past I now call a friend. I think that as a group, we are stronger than ever. I am happy to do all that I can to preserve and grow our sport/hobby/favorite past time. I'm behing the ATVAssocation 100% and will will hard to benefit all of us.

On a lighter note, we really need to get a ton of us together for just a good old fashioned ride real soon. I don't care where it is. Ocala, Croom, someplace private.... lets just ride.

amen brutha.

Id@

hey as long as you don't ride chillin's bike and leave him a present.  he has shown me pictures after you get done riding his bike...LMFAO....yeah, can you break that english dictionary down to everyday words we rednecks can understand?

Lisa,

Please stop with this Kevin Bacon game..........trying to link legitimate pro-ATV organizations to some radical environmental group.  Just about everything you have said is speculation and all this rambling and nagging is giving me a headache.  

Smoke -

That stuff on me came from Chillin's seat prior to me riding the bike. I think his "huggies" leaked or something.

dynodon -

You still have the DS for sale?

that's funny...chillin is a good guy, and he is crazy on those hill climbing...

I was Figuring he was trying to sell me WEED..... ;D

I agree with Anoriginal about getting a ride together.  I would love to finally met some of you!  Unfortunately, it doesn't look like I'm going to make it to the rally either :(

We have a ride with camping, scheduled for the week after the rally at Eureka, any of you are welcome.

http://www.floridaatv.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=46&topic=862.0  ;)

That is a great idea, but I thought most of the folks on ATVF just talked on the internet, and didn't actually ride, just wax and shine da quad in the garage next to the computer.. :)

This person is accomplishing exactly what she set out to do. She is making an inflamatory statement & not showing up for days. In the meantime the true members of this site are blasting her & beleive me she is probably using every word against our group as often as possible.
I say when she posts, it should be immediately deleted since she only makes ignorant insinuations of people & members on here. She is obviousley not a part of the fight, just an instigator who divides us with inaccuracies. She should be banned or closely watched, sooner or later she might just go away.

Why are we let it get to us..... The best defence is a good offence, so let bring the battle to her side for the court. Here her web site  http://floridaequalaccess.org/forum/ lets log in and have fun ;)  Pay back time!  8)

I like your thinking!  Another group ride in the making.  New thread w/ locations and possible dates?

Matt, SORRY, the DS went to a new home..... I still have visitations with her though !!!LOL   She went to the house at our spot up this way !!! HINT, HINT

Nice. :)

That is one screwed up site, porn everywhere. I would say that side is run poorly to let porn downloads in on every thread. Maybe they need some moderators.

maybe Lisa needs to start minding her own house instead of this one.

http://www.floridajeepers.net/viewforum.php?f=25

this is Lisa's normal hang out.  Seems her husband is "Founder/Admin" 

http://www.floridajeepers.net/viewtopic.php?t=30579&sid=4a28ee9cae36a07c9a1a876077117ff4

Seems this isnt the only place people dislike her approach.

I'm with BigD on this,,,,,,going to go register.

Id@

whoah,,,,huge site, might have to wait a while for a confirmation email.

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Id@

that's funny...just send anoriginal over there.  he doesn't need any help...he is the official layer downth of the smacketh on the internet....

sounds like a great time. however we'll be going to houston valley in Georgia for some great riding

http://www.fs.fed.us/conf/rec/ohv/houston.shtml

If you have never been to this place^^^^ highly recommend it. Not a big speed head place but the trails and Hills climbing is very cool.

I'm going to get a few shirts made up for me that say "Anoriginal cometh to layeth the smack downeth". I will send one the Lisa.   ;)

Don't to make a few along the lines of, "I have been smacketh downeth by Anoriginal, and all i got was this T shirt".

Lisa, reading this and a few other threads, I get the impression that you don't care what people think.  It seems you've adopted the philosophy that the envir-wackos like to use (playing hardball).  There is one difference between the methods they use and you use: the enviro-wackos like eachother, I've yet to see one person here that likes and supports you.

I have an idea for you, if you really feel the methods the enviro-wackos utilize are effective, why don't you go chain yourself to an atv trail for a few years while we work things out.

Sounds like a match made in heaven. Funny they both showed up around the same time & it looks like they watch out for each other. It wont hurt my feelings if I never read another post by either of these two.

looks like a lot of fun. were purchasing 50 acres in north georgia around sandersville and planning on moving there in about six months. it is 1 hour to durhamtown from our property.we cant wait to get there to start working on the place. oh and riding on it.

I certainly hope you are not talking about Scrub or you're in for a smacketh downeth session. :o

Last time I checked this was ATVflorida not BasheveryoneonATVs.com I know when alot of us go on rides we end up picking up other peoples messed so how about your environmental friends stop junking up the trails and actually do some work? I haven't seen where she has made a smart comment yet....hey QT lets get her on a CTM crew ride and see how she does :)

Sorry, I tried to make bold the part about Bounty calling her. I definitely wasnt talking about BigScrub.

fixed

   She doesn't sound like she has a very cute azz.I wouldn't want to see her on any trails!! Besides, she's the kind of woman that scares the hell out of me...she likes to talk...ALOT!!

where's americanhighlander when I need him,,,,I wanna hear a story.

Id@

Him and Uncle Rico.  I miss those guys..............in a non homosexual way.

you werent typing this from bed were you?

Id@

  im the wa-wa-wa-waterboy....hows that??

QT?

lol i know what that means :)

you know what boys...and some girls.  I have to say that i am a very new member of this group.  Have talked to a few of ya and I can not tell you enough what a tremendous job i think the people who are on this site and in the association are doing.  I am PROUD to have any number of you stand up beside me at the Rally or any other event that will allow a positive perspective on our sport to be shown.  I started our club (East Coast Dirty Girls) a few years back and to tell you the truth this Lisa lady sounds like the typical bitter women that we deal with all the time.  :'( She can't get into play because she is obviously lacking something that you all are looking for in a person you want to represent this association.  From reading some of her posts, like i say I am new to this, the thing  I see she lacks is tact.  Whether her heart is in the right place her mouth can't seem to express it correctly.  Maybe this is due to the fact she feels rejected or maybe it is due to the fact she just hasn't the ability to think before she speaks.........WHO KNOWS!  But I do find it quite funny that regardless of what she says.....she gets a lot of acknowledgement, good or bad!  So she is succeeding in one thing.  Irritating the hell out of some of you.  I guess because I am a woman and a mother I have the ability to just ignore certain behavior so if you truly want her to stop making posts.......treat her like a 2 year old...don't even acknowledge she is here.   But again....that is my opinion and thanks for all you do...glad to be here!   ;)

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great post, and I would agree but for one point, I personally believe she's causing more damage to the cause as a result of her unprofessionalism when dealing with state officials than she is doing good.  She freely admitted in another thread that she didn't show up to a 1-on-1 meeting with the governer regarding off-road use...how unprofessional is that, and what kind of taste did it leave in the governers mouth that someone else now has to repair.  Ignoring her is not the answer...

Yes you have a point there,  maybe you can get a diclamer like we had to do with our club....

tattoo it on her somewhere sayin "not affiliated with......."  start the list.  LOL  :-*