ATV Florida Forum

I've been getting numerous questions about PBC opting out and the new ATV Ordinance. On Feb 27th, 2007, the PBC Board of County Commissioners voted 7-0 to opt out of FS 316.2123(1). At the same time, the BCC approved PBC Ordinance No. 2007-002, "All Terrain Vehicle (ATV) Operation On Unpaved Roadways."The ordinance states "ATVs may not be operated during anytime of the day or night on an unpaved roadway within Palm Beach County." Any violation of this ordinance is a civil infraction and shall be punishable by a fine of $500.00 dollars. Please spread the word so use of this ordinance can be minimized....Thanks

ONE DAY YOU CANT.ONE DAY YOU CAN.ONE DAY YOU CANT,AND NOW YOU GET A 5OO$ FINE.THATS MY COUNTY DOING A FINE JOB OF TAKIN CARE OF ITS CITIZINS.KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK ON CONFUSING THE HELL OUT OF EVERYBODY.THANKS PALM BEACH COUNTY.NOW LETS GO GET ALL THOSE BAD PEOPLE RIDING ATVS ,DONT FORGET THE GOLF CARTS .

It was only a matter of time......Diddo's on the golf carts!!They ride them all over the place here in the Farms.Never once have I seen police pull one over.Saw a guy using one to ride on the canal fishing and a deputy drove right by him never paid him any mind at all.I thought they weren't allowed on roads also ???

You generally don't see golf carts wheeling at 50 mph down the street with some shirtless, shoeless and helmetless fool screaming like a madman.  When he's finally done showing off to his homies, his buddy jumps on his quad, girlfriend hanging off the back and runs themselves into a powerpole, killing her while he sits on the road wondering what happened.  In the meantime, the ambulance that came to collect the bodies gets a flat tire from the broken beer bottles our ATV riders left lying around.  That's what's happening to our sport.   :F :F :cursing.gif :cursing.gif :gr :gr

AGREE

Its thos ASH's who ruiin it for the people who take the atv to go visit a neighbor or take the kids fishing......Now gotta jump in a car to go 2 blocks. Thanks all you reckless pricks :o

This is funny. Nice picture you paint of sport quad guys there.

I happen to ride a modified Raptor (check my sig) that is very fast and I enjoy going fast on it.  However, I do it where it is appropriate, when it's appropriate and wear the appropriate gear while doing it.  If you don't like the truth, then do your part to become part of the solution.

Actually it's more funny that you ASSUMED it was a sport quad. No where did he state that it was a sport quad. My King quad will wheelie all day long and will go well over 50. Fact is his description is dead on. I see it nearly every day along 441 around the Lake Worth stretch of road as well as along the sides of the road throughout the acreage/loxahatchee.

Bill

If I read it correctly the deputy is saying we cant ride on unpaved roads.I guess I gotta change my tires to stock and get on the pavement.That sucks,I'd rather ride on dirt.The deputies are excercising lots of discretion though.They can ticket you or warn you.So....if you have some sort of bribe to offer when caught its a god idea.They take free donuts,coffee,sodas,and any equipment you may own that they can borrow for personal use  ,then you can get let off.They also accept free mechanic jobs on their personal vehicles and cash of course.

I may get flamed BIG time for this but here it goes.

No, I do not live in PB County but I have read many posts from the Deputy over the last year.  His posts have always been informative and never seems he is out to get us; as I read it this guy is only trying to give a "fair warning".  I am sure he is not looking for all the grief we give him, he is only "doing his job" and not earning free donuts doing it!  I can always sympathize with riding problems, we have the same idiots here in Deltona that rip up and down city streets and make us all look bad.

I thank Tripyn for seeing the big picture. My presence here is to help the sport, and promote public safety, nothing more. I've pulled over at least 15 ATV's in the past 2 days. I issued each rider a written warning or in some cases, a verbal warning when I was tired of writing. I educated everyone on the the new PBC ordinance and legal riding areas in the county(that takes 2 seconds). I also give them this website so they can join in on group rides and learn more about local and distant riding areas. It takes more effort for me to write out a warning ticket than issue a uniform traffic citation. I have a computerized ticket system where all I have to do is swipe a D/L through it and click on the violation and it's printed in seconds. I was born and raised in PBC and have been riding since I was 10. It's ironic, that the areas I once rode in I now patrol. Sadly, PBC is not what it used to be and the riding areas are all gone. The Holey Land and Rotenberger WMAs are all that's left in the county. Underhills/Bamboo is nearby. Those who trailer usually won't get to meet me, but those who choose to continue to ride on the roadways and/or trespass in the natural areas will at some point. As for the donuts, I prefer the Starbucks caramel apple cider.....

 Amen Brother.... they have a job to do, be thankfull this guy loves the sport.

  FOOL you are perfect on this one!!!!

My Vinson will also hit 60mph, BFD, but I have NEVER seen anyone on a Grizzly, KQ or any other 4x4 quad doing as described above. I'm sorry, that honor is reserved for 2x4 yahoos.

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"When he's finally done showing off to his homies"

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LMAO, yeah, mud guys often show off for their homies on the streets. Please...

The ordinance states "ATVs may not be operated during anytime of the day or night on an unpaved roadway within Palm Beach County." Any violation of this ordinance is a civil infraction and shall be punishable by a fine of $500.00 dollars. Oh, PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE spare me the discriminatory, Nazi BS! That means the ATVer would be fined more than if he/she recklessly operated of a car, was speeding, running stop signs/traffic signals, etc., etc..

So if it is $500 to be on a dirt road, how much does the asphalt riding cost? The wording of the ordinance sounds like grass and swales are fair game...

It is unlawful to ride on the sides of the road, which includes the sidewalks and swales. As for riding on the paved roads, there are to many violations to list, but I'm sure it evens out with the $500 fine if all were written. Avoiding roads all together is the safest bet. PBC chose to maximize the fine to $500 so the ordinance would be taken seriously. Seems no one minds shelling out $50 when finally caught after many "successful" outtings. $500 is a different story. Citizen complaints have dropped considerably since the enforcement began, so it's working in this county. Complaining to me about it doesn't accomplish anything, as I don't make the rules, I just enforce them.


316.003  Definitions.--

(47)  SIDEWALK.--That portion of a street between the curbline, or the lateral line, of a roadway and the adjacent property lines, intended for use by pedestrians.

(53)  STREET OR HIGHWAY.-- (a)  The entire width between the boundary lines of every way or place of whatever nature when any part thereof is open to the use of the public for purposes of vehicular traffic

316.1995  Driving upon sidewalk or bicycle path.--No person shall drive any vehicle other than by human power upon a bicycle path, sidewalk, or sidewalk area, except upon a permanent or duly authorized temporary driveway. A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a moving violation as provided in chapter 318.  $ 120.50 fine, 3 points on D/L

 
316.2074  All-terrain vehicles.--

(1)  It is the intent of the Legislature through the adoption of this section to provide safety protection for minors while operating an all-terrain vehicle in this state.

(2)  As used in this section, the term "all-terrain vehicle" means any motorized off-highway vehicle 50 inches or less in width, having a dry weight of 900 pounds or less, designed to travel on three or more low-pressure tires, having a seat designed to be straddled by the operator and handlebars for steering control, and intended for use by a single operator with no passenger. For the purposes of this section, "all-terrain vehicle" also includes any "two-rider ATV" as defined in s. 317.0003.

(3)  No person under 16 years of age shall operate, ride, or be otherwise propelled on an all-terrain vehicle unless the person wears a safety helmet meeting United States Department of Transportation standards and eye protection. $ 76.50 Fine

(4)  If a crash results in the death of any person or in the injury of any person which results in treatment of the person by a physician, the operator of each all-terrain vehicle involved in the crash shall give notice of the crash pursuant to s. 316.066.

(5)  Except as provided in this section, an all-terrain vehicle may not be operated upon the public roads, streets, or highways of this state, except as otherwise permitted by the managing state or federal agency. $ 76.50 Fine

(6)  An all-terrain vehicle having four wheels may be used by police officers on public beaches designated as public roadways for the purpose of enforcing the traffic laws of the state. All-terrain vehicles may also be used by the police to travel on public roadways within 5 miles of beach access only when getting to and from the beach.

(7)  An all-terrain vehicle having four wheels may be used by law enforcement officers on public roads within public lands while in the course and scope of their duties.

(8  A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a nonmoving violation as provided in chapter 318.

Many of those so-called citizens apparently don't mind the much more serious and deadly traffic infractions(with $69 fines) they cause and/or have to avoid on a daily basis. But, they can sleep easier at night because there's a $500 fine for those ATVers!

I fully understand what you are saying, and I thank you for taking the time to post the relevant statutes....even if my post was just tongue and cheek.

Personally, I am glad I live in Davie where the police just smile and wave when I am riding to the store up the swale between the road and sidewalk from my house.

I guess with all the unpaved roads in PBC, it would get pretty bad if the statewide rule stood there with all the morons...err...citizens that inhabit the area these days.


AintSkeered: Obviously Palm Beach is REAL serious about keeping atv's off the dirt roads. Weird, because so many people own them there...just remember, these are the same people fining Donald Trump for flying an American flag over his house.

AintSkeered,
Actually, the citizens are sleeping better at night here because we've reduced the number of violators riding in residential neighborhoods at 2am with loud exhausts. One thing you have to consider, PBC is the biggest county in the state. While ATV sales are high here, most people here do not own ATVs. Our biggest problem is we have large residential communities with dirt roads. Most of these are equestrian communties and I can tell you, horses and ATVs don't mix well. The equestrians are well organized and financed. Not many people enjoy being awakened at 2am by a loud ATV illegally riding along the canal bank behind their house. Many residents tried putting fences along the canal banks, only to have ATVers knock down the fence and give them a "lawn job" for their troubles. We had serious problems here which needed serious attention. Sadly, the violators ruined it for those who were doing the right thing with their families and friends.

pbso deputy ,you said  you dont right the law you only enforce them.I take exception to that state ment.I feel you use the laws to give your gang more power to extort special favors.You guys only extort special favors and cash from people not wanting legal problems and the atv law is just another tool in your arsenal.BULLPOOP!The pbso deputies are the worst offenders of traffic laws I have ever seen.You  falsify reports regularly and bully the public at will.A gang of organized  criminals.

The equestrians are well organized and financed.


I didn't even consider the horse crowd. Well, there is your answer Anti on the crazy statute.


PBSO_ATV_Deputy_4 : Are horses allowed on the swales, sidewalks and unpaved roads?

I like you better when you aren't drunk.

Give these guys a break. They have a pretty crap job dealing with scum all day. The slightest bit of respect with them goes a very long way. It is a job, just like the one you probably hate to do.

Let me assure you, they can tell you hate them the second you start an encounter where ever it may be. Dealing with the police shouldn't scare you, and you shouldn't hate them. They are there for your protection whether you believe it or not.

If you can accept this, I guarantee future interactions with the law will turn out in your favor.

Trust me, I'm no LEO either, but have been in many a situation with them.....some great stories. LMAO. Good luck buddy, you are going to need it.

JackL,
Horses are allowed on the roadways, shoulder and sidewalks. While swales aren't mentioned, they are considered part of the right-of-way. The laws applicable to vehicles and pedestrians also apply to them. As horses were a primary mode of transportation at one time, history has granted them roadway access.

316.073  Applicability to animals and animal-drawn vehicles.--Every person driving an animal-drawn vehicle upon a roadway is subject to the provisions of this chapter applicable to the driver of a vehicle, except those provisions of this chapter which by their nature can have no application. The provisions of this chapter applicable to pedestrians, with the exception of s. 316.130(3), apply to any person riding or leading an animal upon a roadway or the shoulder thereof.

316.0825  Vehicle approaching an animal.--Every person operating a motor vehicle shall use reasonable care when approaching or passing a person who is riding or leading an animal upon a roadway or the shoulder thereof, and shall not intentionally startle or injure such an animal. A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a moving violation as provided in chapter 318. $120.50 fine 3 points

Wow, looks like you guys in WPB need to trade your quads in for horses!!

This also illustrates why this rally is important, as well as the ATV association. We have more riders than they do!!
I'll bet we have deeper pockets as well.

I don't know about that, those horse people have DEEP pockets.  But I have often made the analogy that atv's are just 21st century horses

I'll bet we out number them by 5 to 1, even if we have less $$ personally (debatable), we have more overall...I hope anyway. Not to mention, a few own both.

I'll tell ya, a few horse trails in my neighborhood I would like to putt around on, but would never dare. Much better to stay on the swale and sidewalk. NOTE: Davie here, NOT WPB!!!

I know which ones you're referring to

PBSO, despite any of my comments, I absolutely respect you and your efforts to educate us. I'm envious of your patience with taking our grief while still trying to keep us informed. But, just because those noise ordinances, trespassing ordinances and all other traffic ordinances currently on the books aren't adequately enforced, doesn't mean we need a new catch-22 law which applies only to ATVs. If that's so, why don't we create a similar catch-22 law against all noisy, trespassing, traffic law violators in cars/trucks/golf carts, etc.  because we can't effectively enforce our traffic laws? I guess in today's world, someone will have to slip on horse doo or be startled by a horse's squeal, injure themselves and sue the county to be protected from horses.

pbso dispite my comments I feel pbso are a gang of extortionists and criminals.Easily bribed and good at extorting the same.Bradshaw is a girl thingy and all his deputies get free rein to run roughshod all over the county extorting free stuff and special favors.You act so innocent when it was the sherriffs department that pushed hard for the atv ban.

And yet another intelligent post-

Hey Sbripple-I know this is a public forum and we are all assumed to be adults; well the BIG people need to talk for a while.  Now go back to your sandbox and play nice with the other kids; we will call you when it is time to come back in!

tripyn you need to behave and stop the personal attacks.I dont need anyone to tell me when to speak,especially a person of your limited mental capacity.I will speak when and how I feel inclined.Your approval is neither required or asked for.

Thanks for the support AintSkeered and Tripyn, But please don't waste your time mixing words with sbripple. After all, he has it all figured out. Life just wouldn't be the same if such a person didn't exist somewhere in the family tree or at the workplace. What's worse, is he is 100% correct about everything. My price: a Starbucks Caramel Apple Cider.....Unless you have one for me when stopped, I tow your quad and issue a $500 fine.....

burned!! >:D

I disagree with the comment "horses and ATVs do not mix" having raised and trained horses all my life. It is not the ATV that scares the horse but rather the inconsiderate fool operating it. I used ATVs to pull roping dummy sleds for training rope horses with no problems. The problems come when someone on an ATV comes racing up on a horse with loud exhaust. If the driver would slow down or stop and let the horse and rider pass there would not be the problems plus the ATV'er would be viewed as a considerate person and help change the image of ATV'ers.

Papahouse,
In a perfect world, you are 100% correct. Any time I encounter a horse while patrolling on the ATV, I pull to the side, park and shut off the engine. Not once have I had a negative interaction with the horse or rider. I often see trainers using golfcarts or ATVs to exercise the horses. The problems arise in equestrian areas when ATVs ride on narrow horse trails or roadways. We've had ATV/horse collisions, riders thrown, injuries and numerous complaints. At times, it seems like it's "Horses vs. Horsepower" around here. If everyone was courteous and gave the right-of-way to an approaching horse, my comment would be completely wrong. Sadly this is not always the case. I've attended several equestrian meetings to address ATV issues and got hammered about the lack of enforcement.

Deputy

You sound like someone with common sense which a lot of individuals lack. I know the riders in my area of the farms always say thanks when I pull over and stop. But in todays world most people do not show any, all are to busy thinking of only our selves.

This illustrates perfectly why we need a statewide ATV association. When is the last time a deputy got hammered by an organized group of off roaders? The Broward Airboat guys have been known to have a little kick...

Ok  so thats yer price?An overpriced cup of some flavored juice?Ok I will swap you the fag drink for one get out of jail free card.Get the get out of jail card ready and I will get a gift card from the gay coffee house.Lets arrange the pay off soon.

sbdribble, what a rebel you are.  You will be the first one screaming like a 12 yr old girl for PBSO's help when you need it. 

never gonna happen.

B I N G O

Where can I go to find out if our local towns/cities have opped out of the ATV ordinance? I was driving my Toyota FJ Cruiser with my enclosed trailer in tow on a state dirt road when two local sherrifs coming from the oppisite direction turned on their lights for me to stop.
  Was this a legal stop? Are they abusing their power? Are they harrassing people on back roads?
  They asked me what I was doing there? ??????? It's a legal, state road, just dirt not paved, and I was in a registered , licensed truck with a licensed trailer.
  What would have happened if I did not stop? How about if I replied, I'm driving on a state road, something wrong? I did nothing wrong, probably going about 10 mph under the speed limit since the road had quite a few whoops in it.   Are we required to stop in a situation like this? If not and depending on their mood, they could make up a charge, correct?
  Luckily I was searching for real estate in the area and had some paperwork to backup my story.

I would thing it would be none of their business unless you were on a dead end road with No Tresspassing signs or driving carelessly.

what does bingo mean????  I will never and have never called pbso for assistance.There are no circunstances that I can imagine that would motivate me to call those gangsters.You guys are dogpilers.Always ready to jump in with the mob mentality.lemings.

My point of view on this issue, is that a few bad apples ruin it for everyone.

But here is a thought.  Let's take a look at some of the people who have driver licenses, being from South Florida I can surely attest to the fact that they must of gotten them out of a cracker jack box.  There must be some of the worst, and most rude drivers in this part of State.  But you know what the laws are inacted to punish these drivers, whereas if they keep it up, they will lose their licenses.  Why then can't laws be passed for people operating atv's.  Say something like this.

*Any driver under 16 must be accompanied by an adult license driver.
*If the ATV rider is riding on an unpaved county road, and is traveling above the required speed limit for an atv (say 10 mph), is punishable by a ticket on their driver license.
*Just like when we drive, with x-amount of points, you lose your license.
*Danagerous riding and recklessness, is punished more severly, and pending on the type of incident, subjust to lose of license, and impounding of vehicle.

Now doesn't a law like that make more sense, then punishing every rider.  When I used to have horses, we used to atv's all the time to move hay and feed, to move loads of dirt, all kind of reasons.  And sometimes, depending on the area, that meant crossing and or driving down a dirt road. 

I just feel the laws should really hold the individual responsible, not everyone, that is not just and fair consideration, and isn't that what our laws are suppose to be. Fair, just and reasonable.

Also lets remember, the deputy did not enact these laws, he is just sharing what the current law is.  He is not where the fight is, it is with our Local, County, and State Goverment.....

Look my friend. I feel the same way as you, i will never call them for a problem of mine either.

That said, I respect and honor these men and women, and you hate them. Why? I have no idea, but they deal with scumbags and the worst of society every day, that alone gives me great respect for them. How they don't taser every third person is beyond me.

"are no circunstances that I can imagine that would motivate me to call those gangsters."

How about a terrible car crash, a fire on a house with bars on the windows. A crashed quad with a seriously injured rider. Dummy, they are there to protect and serve the public and they do it well. If they weren't there, it would be anarchy worse than you find in any inner city.

You need to stop hating the police. I'm sorry, your life will be much better for it. This isn't any lemming speaking or mob mentality, it is years of experience. Law enforcement officers are just people, and above average at that since they choose to put their lives on the line for others.

thats yer fantasy not mine

It is reality. Anyone who knows me says I am the best one to deal with them, always...even if I am drunk.
It is because I respect and honor what they do. Do what you want.

uhhhh   i have been doing that anyhow,even without your permission.Now I have yer permission it makes it all better.

Hey I live in Palm Beach County (Belle Glade), and I have a New KFX 450R, me and my friends are looking for a place to ride within a 50 mile radius. Our group consist of about 15 riders and we're getting tired of people calling the cops on us every time they see us. If any one knows of anything please let me know.
Thanks,
P.S. I herd of a place called the blocks, a few miles before labelle, but i herd that people were getting tickets for trespassing. If anyone has any info please also let me know, that place is awsome!

Take 27 south to the Holeylands WMA. Not this weekend, it is closed due to drought, but that shouldn't be much of a haul for you. It is on the WPB/Broward line. The link in my signature has most of the relevant FWC info sites in it.

If you keep going another 20 or so miles and head south on Krome, about 3/4 miles down the road you will find macs fish camp. Pretty much everyone not at L-Cross or Area-51 will be there tomorrow. Not much fun for sport quads, but it beats nothing.

I'll be there at 6:00 AM.

Heck, you should probably just goto L-cross, take some pictures for us!!! The sights will be much better than what i am proposing. :)

Now that school is out and summer is here, please remember to ride safe and responsibly. I would also like to remind everyone PBC opted out of 316.2123(1) on February 27, 2007, which means riding on unpaved (dirt) roads is prohibited. I stopped a number of riders today who were unaware of the opt out, or were visting from counties that haven't opted out......Thanks

 :M :M :M

According to the following article local FL counties CAN NOT "OPT OUT" OF THE STATUTE if I am reading this correctly...?????? Read this and see what you think!!!!!!

http://myfloridalegal.com/ago.nsf/Opinions/9B20547093B56727852572AA005A8B8C

PBSO Deputy what about side by sides like polaris ranger its more than 50" and more than 900 lbs. and it has a bench seat for two and a steering wheel not handlebars. ?????????

 As used in this section, the term "all-terrain vehicle" means any motorized off-highway vehicle 50 inches or less in width, having a dry weight of 900 pounds or less, designed to travel on three or more low-pressure tires, having a seat designed to be straddled by the operator and handlebars for steering control, and intended for use by a single operator with no passenger. For the purposes of this section, "all-terrain vehicle" also includes any "two-rider ATV" as defined in s. 317.0003.

Your still driving an unregistered vehicle on the street. It doesn't have DOT tires and so on and so on. That is against the law.

In 2006, the Legislature enacted section 316.2123, Florida Statutes,[7] which provides:

"(1) The operation of an ATV, as defined in s. 317.0003,[8] upon the public roads or streets of this state is prohibited, except that an ATV may be operated during the daytime on an unpaved roadway[9] where the posted speed limit is less than 35 miles per hour by a licensed driver or by a minor under the supervision of a licensed driver. The operator must provide proof of ownership pursuant to chapter 317 upon request by a law enforcement officer.
(2) A county is exempt from this section if the governing body of the county, by majority vote, following a noticed public hearing, votes to exempt the county from this section."

Thus, section 316.2123, Florida Statutes, creates a limited exception to the prohibition in section 316.2074, Florida Statutes, for use of ATVs on public roads, by permitting the use of such vehicles during the daytime on unpaved roadways where the speed limit is less than 35 miles per hour by a licensed driver or a minor under the supervision of a licensed driver. A county is permitted to exempt itself from the statute.

Where the Legislature has prescribed the manner in which something is to be done, it effectively operates as a prohibition against its being done in any other manner.[10] Prior to the enactment of section 316.2123, Florida Statutes, counties had no authority to permit the operation of ATVs on the streets and highways of this state. The intent of the Legislature in enacting section 316.2123 appears to have been to permit the limited use of ATVs during daylight hours on certain roadways by licensed drivers or minors under the supervision of a licensed driver, and to allow a county to exempt itself from such an authorization.[11] In such a case, the provisions of section 316.2074, Florida Statutes, would prohibit the use of ATVs on the public roads and highways. I have found nothing in either the language of the statute or in the legislative history surrounding the enactment of section 316.2123 which permits a county to partially opt-out of the statute or otherwise grants the county authority to regulate in this area.

Accordingly, I am of the opinion that the county may not partially opt-out of the provisions of section 316.2123, Florida Statutes.

Sincerely,

Bill McCollum
Attorney General

Any ways most of the time I trailer mine and go to a place thats safe to ride. $$$$$$$$  :'( 8) :)

That still doesn't change what I wrote.

That's cool  ;)

 trx450r....... said- "Your still driving an unregistered vehicle on the street."

 My quad is registered with the state of Florida, isn't that what a "title" is for??????

Dirtycruiser,
I've never heard of a "partial opt-out." Counties that opt-out do so completely, including all cities within the county. ATVs are OHV registered for identity/ownership purposes only and allows for use on approved public lands and unpaved roads in Non-Opt Out counties. Side-by-sides are prohibited on all public roadways, the violation being an unregistered motor vehicle, meaning no license tag or insurance.
Tater,
The side-by-sides, such as Polaris Rangers and Yamaha Rhinos are classified as recreational Off-Highway Vehicles, not ATVs, per 317.0003. When they mention "2-seater ATVs" they are referring to the Can Am and others designed to carry an operator and passenger. Side-by-sides are currently allowed in the Corbett WMA because of this distinction, such as wheelbase and use of a steering wheel to turn and not straddled.

Why is it legal to drive a bull dozer down a highway or law mower. I guess we need to put a lawn mower blade underneath our quads or a bucket on the front. I would also like to know the names of these communities that complain about noise. I'm going to organize a harley davidson group ride down there streets at 2:00 am. ;)

no it only makes sense to a few .The ones that need such laws to justify their existance.

Thanks PBSO for the reply If I every get pulled by the s/o hope its you maybe we can get a break you seem very fair later.