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Been in Georgia. Just baCK, and hit the Holey lands.



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Broke this dudes ball mount!!!! Pot metal!!
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Kodiak JUNK. Vinson the king!!!

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MORONS WHO GOT THEIR STANG STACK IN A PUDDLE. :)
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Later buddy. If you see this guy, ride with him!!

wow!!, nice an empty, where is that house at? i have yet to get that far out there apparently

What a difference compared to Sunday. It seemed like a everybody with a quad in Dade and Broward was there. It was a nice day to ride though.  8)

Nice pics, Jack.  I saw your post on the other thread and really appreciate the effort you made to pick up around the place.  If everybody that went out there did that, we wouldn't have those types of issues anymore.  Now if we could just get the idiots to settle down and stop hurting themselves....

I've ridden to the green camp, but have yet to come across that place.  

Nice pics..looks like a great day, weather sure was nice.  Don't be upsed when the mods delete this thread, forum rules, no pics without helmets...

If no one complains, it should be OK. The pics are hosted off atvflorida.

I would hate to remake that post at the extreme site!! I will photoshop helmets in. :)

Only one or two actual riding pics anyway helmetless....

I recognize one of the Mustang kids, one of our local high school drop outs.

HAHA, they said they were to shoot a shotgun. They tried to make a U at one of the power line turnarounds and got stuck. I said if you don't want a felony, GTF out of there with the scattergun!

Do you know who owns that camp you were washing up at?

dang that place looks fun as hell to ride out there

The two camps in the pictures are really deep in the swamp, and impossible for mortals to get to. I have no idea who owns them.

I would sure pay big $$$ to buy the two story one! Way better than Big Cypress...well drier anyway....and no pesky neighbors. :)

Damn lawn looks better than mine!

This pic kinda sums it it..............

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I'm going to take a ride out there on the weekend at night and see if I can meet the guys who have those cool camps. I have a few friends who say they have had a hell of a time drinking with them in the past.

I still can't believe anyone has a deed out there. I'll bet some FWC guy must be involved..anyway, I'm just glad the fires didn't get them!! Must have been close.

Many Many moons ago you were able to build a camp out in the everglades, the state put a stop to it a long time ago. When they did so, all the camp owners were grandfathered in and signed a lease for the property that they are on. They can build up, but not out. The camp owners do not own the property, but have a lease with the state to care and maintain the property, which pretty much means they have rights to post No Tresspass Signs. Most of the camp owners are pretty cool and welcome people in to hang out and party on the weekends. Lets keep them friendly and stay off the grass, take our trash and respect there property.

They do an excellent job at property upkeep, that is for sure!! I never thought of the lease aspect, that is nice. I wish I had one. :)
If I remember, it was around 1977 or so..? Same time as the Big Cypress land grab?

I would certainly respect the signs regarding the structures, because I'm sure I wouldn't want to meet the business end of a 12 gauge..which I would fully expect if trying to enter  one of those houses.

Thanks for the info.

My cousin Jim owns that camp, his father started it in the early 70's. They are cool guys & spend a lot of time & money to own a  camp like that. They are some of the founding members of the Broward County Airboat Club. He drives a track called "Still Killin Time" or a red Diamond Back Airboat called "Rooster". He is a cool guy, but dont mess up his lawn out there or the coolness will end real quick. Oh yeah, that camp has a central air system as well.

the guy that owns that camp is cool as hell, real nice guy i was at that camp last weekend its called westbarry or westburry camp i dont know one of those, it some fun riddin out there!!!! i believe i am goin out there this weekend

get your square flags cause fwc is already fining for peniant flag just so you know must be 10x12

Central AC, damn now that is nice. I'd love to know where that water comes from. I drank from that hose and it was better than my well water at home. That camp is so cool I want to donate something to them just for having that picnic table in the middle of the swamp for me to sit on!

Those guys must hate when it gets dry enough for 2WD's to make it there.

I believe I'll be seeing ya out there. I hear Holiday Park has the right size flag.

At first I thought the flag was stupid, but it is pretty cool to be able to see your buddy pretty far away. I can imagine when it is full of people it must be nice as well.

It is unbelievable that you are on here bragging about tresspassing :banghead.gif.  Maybe they will put enough picknick tables out there for ALL of us.

I don't know. Walking up to a water hose for two minutes just doesn't seem like trespassing to me. The picnic table was well off the lawn (of a house in the middle of the swamp.)
I did knock to see if anyone was home, because I'd really like to meet the owner.
I also carted away about 15 empty beer cans from the immediate area, was that stealing?

From your pics, it looks like you are mudding right in his yard. If I came home and a stranger was stuck in the mud in my yard or washing himself in my hose I wouldn't be too happy about it. Might be different if that stranger was a female and better looking than you ;D.

In my defense, that's not me...I'm behind the camera. :)  Anyway, I don't know if you have been there, but the pictures are deceptive. It is not in the yard at all. Many trails and ruts completely surround the place. Also, the pics are from two different camps. This is also literally in the middle of sawgrass air boat / fulltrak country.

What is wrong with you? It is someone's private property and yes, they do own it. Regardless of where its located (middle of the sawgrass or otherwise) it is not yours and was clearly marked with a no trespassing sign. You and your buddy decided it was okay to mud right in front of his place then wash off in his hose after entering his property. I also gather that you used someone else's picnic table too. You reasoning in your convolluted mind that you only used it two minutes and therefore it's not really trespassing is like saying someone is "sort-of" pregnant.

I own a camp that is right smack in the middle of the big cypress and surrounded by sawgrass, swamp and buggy trails. I pay the taxes on it, maintain it and spend a ton of money on it otherwise. I am sure the camp owners you violated experience the same. You my friend are what's wrong with this sport. You have no comprehension of decency nor any sense of responsibility. You actually posted pictures of mudding in front of someone's camp, tresspassing while standing in front of a no tresspassing sign and riding with no helmet. If I were one of the people trying to close Holylands to ATV riders, I'd sure as hell use your pictures as ammunition.  :dunno.gif

What's wrong with you?  :cursing.gif

You make a good point, Anoriginal, regarding JackL's choice of mudding locations.  70,000 acres of mud and sawgrass and you chose the nicest camp out there to mud in.  The owners of that camp are very nice and accommodating when I've visited the camp.  I've sat on the front porch, watched lightening storms and drank beer with those guys.  Really down to earth people.  But I would never dream of making myself at home if they weren't there.  Lack of respect for private, as well as public, property is exactly what is killing this sport.

My point exactly. We have to be ever mindful of our image and vigilant with respect to our actions. I want JackL and everyone else to be able to enjoy the Holeylands for years to come. Only by using common sense and having respect can we ensure our continued use.

I have no trespassing signs on my house, but I rarely shoot people who come to the door...? Do you? I certainly wouldn't run out and blast a guy who rinsed his hands or took a sip from my water hose.
Can you tell me exactly how far I must stay away from no trespassing signs? I'm confused now. Is the entire 3A north off limits because of these signs on a camp in the middle of it?


I don't know what has happened to you my friend. Maybe you were always like this. Violated..lol
You talk like a New Yark transplant. If you think <b>I</b> am a problem with this "sport" as you call it. you are seriously mistaken.
I am an adult, I don't need to wear a helmet BY LAW on my street bike at 130mph, why should I at 10 in the mud.

I hope I never run across your camp in BC, please put up a fence so I don't accidently 'violate' you. LOL

I have been running these swamps my entire life, and I have more than the little wheeler to do it with.

While I don't have a camp in BC, I 'did' have one in Piccyune for ten+ years, and by god I shared it with friends and strangers alike. No one ever stole any of my stuff, we all got along and many good times were had by all.


You need to look a little deeper at the people NOT posting pictures to see where the real problem is, but hey, the guy who used somebodies water and carted away a bunch of beer cans must be at fault because his pictures LOOK like he is tearing up someones lawn/camp.

You guys are really beating me up over nothing. The only reason a lot of pictures are from there is because I wasn't riding at the time. You are seriously stretching it to say I made myself at home there! The entire visit lasted maybe ten minutes!!

JackL:

Your problem is that you're either too caught up in yourself or incapable of understanding what you did wrong. It was not your property. You set foot on it and used the facilities. In fact, you did so in the face of a no trespassing sign. Your discussion about shooting people who come to the door makes absolutely zero sense.

Regarding riding without a helmet, if you do so, you're ignorant. That's a fact, not open for discussion, case closed.

You carried out some beer cans. Well, kudos to you. That's great. Still doesn't change the fact that your pictures make us look bad. You are a problem if you can't bend your mind around the fact that you were wrong.

As far as a New York transplant, that's funny. You have no idea about who I am but, I can tell you that my family has been here since the 1810's. In fact, my great grandfather then my grandfather once leased all of the Big Cypress from Burdines to Monroe Station east of 29 from Barron Collier himself and shared many camps with him through the years. So don't attempt to preach to me about the Glades nor attempt to put on a holy southern gentleman face to me. I'm way beyond you in all respects.

Think about what you do and how you act. The wheels are in motion to take Holeylands away from us at ATV riders. None of the camp owners like us. The majority of the buggy guys have no use for us. (and by us I mean the recreational ATV rider) The FWC and state management would love to see us banned from Holeylands. Trespassing, no matter how short in time, is wrong. Posting pictures of you doing it in front of a sign combined with shot of you mudding in front of another camp while your cooler sits in their yard only adds fodder to the anti ATV crowd.

Use your head man.  ???

Have a question for you, how did you get the water to come on? 

Most people know that a well requires power to bring up water!

You know when I saw the pictures, I had to look real hard.  Said to myself, who is that?  They don't look familar....

I don't think that you meant any harm, but as for me, if I don't know whose camp it is, I don't stop.  I also would not be 4-wheeling on their camp or even in front of their camp, it just makes it harder for them to access their camp.  Like it was said, there is plenty of room for that.  Using the water was a little bit much, I really don't think that in the everglades you just walk up to a hose and turn it on.  The other thing, for me, if it was my camp, I sure would not want my camp posted on a web-site, for all to see, and think hey what a cool place to hang-out. 

I happen to know the people that own those camps, actually stayed at the one.  Those camps are private property, and should be treated as such.  It is like if you are out of town, and you look on a computer and see that your backyard was host to people you did not know, may offend a little.  They are some really great people, who as you can tell, busted their a$$ building those camps.  So I would advise all to treat those camps with a lot of respect.  Respect what the sign clearly stated "No Tresspassing".  Suprised no one saw you, for they all watch each others camp....

It sure seems you advocate shooting anyone within a set amount of feet from a no trespassing sign, because they are 'trespassing', and don't belong there ever. I must have misunderstood.



Closed for you perhaps, but until the lawmakers decide otherwise, it is legal and acceptable. You can't pick and choose the laws you follow.




I'm sorry that I don't agree with you. Perhaps I'll take some new photos out there on Saturday and we'll see just who makes 'us' look bad.



Believe it or not, I knew this already. A buddy of mine had an exchange with you about loop road area years ago on this site, and I am still in awe of your lineage...if any of it is true of course.
Reading your above paragraph, I do believe any southern hospitality you once had has long been erased by the current residents of this ONCE fine state.




I have yet to see any records in any Broward county database that lists these leases in the first place, and I actually have been researching it this AM because of this very thread.

Lets see what I have found:

On Friday March 9, Officers William Carpenter and Scott Engstler were patrolling the L-5 levee when they observed several underage subjects drinking alcohol. After the officers watched each of the five subjects consume beer, they made their approach. Each subject threw their bottle in the bushes in an attempt to hide them. Consequently, they were all cited for consuming alcohol and littering.

On Saturday, March 10, Officers William Carpenter, Scott Engstler, Lindsey Bruening, and Reserve Officer Pat McDonald were patrolling the East Coast Buffer Strip when they observed numerous ATVs illegally operating on state lands. Ten citations were issued to violators.

On Sunday, Broward County investigators were patrolling Everglades 3A North when they observed several airboats operating during shooting hours. The suspect boats were stopped and citations were issued.


Investigator Skip Trubey was off duty when he observed two subjects illegally discarding yard debris. Officers Ernest Light and Scott Engstler responded to the scene and cited the subjects for littering. Additionally, one subject was jailed for an outstanding warrant from Okaloosa County for failure to appear on a DUI charge.

On December 29, Officers Scott Engstler and William Carpenter were working on the L-5 Levee
when they encountered several underage (under 21) subjects consuming alcohol. A closer
inspection revealed one of the subjects possessed less than 20 grams of marijuana. Officer
Engstler issued a notice to appear and seized the evidence.

On Friday, December 29, Officer Erika Zimmerman was driving to the Highlands County
Courthouse when she met an oncoming all-terrain vehicle (ATV) on the paved road. She slowed,
turned on her blue lights and signaled for the operator to stop. He sped away and was soon out of
sight on the curvy road. Officer Zimmerman contacted Lieutenant Dale Knapp, who was towing a
boat from nearby Lake Josephine, to help form a perimeter. Lieutenant Knapp set up on an
intersection to the south and a short time later was approached by the speeding ATV. The officer
pulled out to block the road, causing the ATV operator to go back north through the woods.
Lieutenant Knapp tracked him on foot and found where he had run the ATV into a downed pine
tree and got stuck. Highlands County Sheriff’s Office deputies responded with a dog and started
to track the suspect. During this time, the suspect ran across the road near where Officer
Zimmerman had parked. She drove through a yard to head off the fleeing man, then jumped a
fence and apprehended the subject. The man was handcuffed and taken to the county jail, where
he was charged with felony fleeing to elude, resisting arrest without violence, and operating an
ATV on a paved road.




On Saturday, December 30, Lieutenant Joe Allen observed an airboat enter Hickory Hammock
WMA. Several complaints had been received regarding subjects entering the area at this location
and hunting illegally. Lieutenant Allen walked to the area where he heard the boat shut down and
observed two hunting dogs in the WMA near the marsh. He then launched his FWC airboat and
approximately 45 minutes later, apprehended the man as he was attempting to leave the WMA in
an airboat. The subject had a 20-gauge shotgun loaded with rifled slugs and five hunting dogs.
The subject was charged with attempting to take deer and wild hogs during a closed season on
the WMA and hunting with dogs other than bird dogs.



I do, I just can't believe with all the things that go on out there, you are attacking me over what amounts to NOTHING. Oh well, I do understand. I like to argue for the sake of argument as well.

Believe it or not, I am one of the good guys.

http://myfwc.com/law/Weekly/


Have a good day.

I assure you these are not squatter camps, they were grandfather in years ago!  And let's not post that they are, that just makes it worse for the camp owners! 

I understand that you really meant no harm, but perhaps if you would just look at it from a different perspective, you might see the other side of the coin.  For example, in the earlier post, you were actually telling people how to get to the camps.  Come on, that's just not right.  Look how people treat parking area, you know if you get enough people out there, you are going to have issues.  You also stated that you own a camp elsewhere and never got hit, well than you are very lucky.  I too own a camp elsewhere, and have been hit twice.  I surely would not want my camp posted, w/directions.

My point is, the more people know about a camp, the worse it is for that camp.  I will tell you, and everyone else, don't treat these as squatter camps, cause they are not. Also again say, those camps are monitored by alot of people, and an airboat can come up on you faster than you can say go.  Come on, who would dump that kind of time and money into a squatter camp.  I can only hope that Mr. Bones removes this post, just for the fact it not only shows someone's camp, but hell even gives them directions. 

JackL,

I keep two 50lb bags of lime for fools like you at my camp.  ;) Matt you need to Sterilize this fool!  ???

At least I didn't post GPS coordinates. :)  I've removed any directions to the camps from the other posts, as well as any squatter references. AS if they are hard to find, LMAO, it is like a damn main road.
Also, no air boats out there right now, I can assure you.

BTW: MY squatter camp had a substantial investment in it. It is part of the game.

I'll bet you do. Did it make your stucco stickier?

Are you listed in one of the FWC reports from the link in my other post? With an attitude like that, I suspect so.

Turned the handle. I didn't believe in a million years it would work. I assume it is gravity powered, but I honestly don't know. I wasn't there long enough, or really near enough to the property to find out.
That is the one question I have for the builder.


Thank goodness, I have a feeling my house might get 'violated' after this thread. :)


I honestly understand what you are saying, but seriously, anyone would have been friendly we encountered, we were just passing by! Ok, I do feel like a d*ick for using the water now, and posting the pictures.
I'm going to remove the offensive ones, and bring an extra case of Budweiser to them this weekend.

JackL:

When and where did I ever advocate shooting someone? Is your mind that warped? You brought up the shooting issue, I merely pointed out that it was sensless. Something's not right with you.

Regarding helmets, it's not a matter of it being legal or not. If you ride without a helmet, on the rode or otherwise, you're a compelte and total moron. That's a fact that's not open for debate.

Regarding taking pictures of others, why? Just because you get pictures of people acting even more inappropriate than you did doesn't change the truth that you were wrong. Again, how is it possible for your mind to work in this way?

Your comments about my lineage are not worth responding to. But, as far as posting the weekly FWC report I'm still waiting for your point. Those reports and activities have ZERO to do with your conduct. You were wrong, face it. Yet again, I cannot fathom how your brain works to link your trespassing to the FWC reports.  ???

Thank you so much for not posting GPS numbers. Never mind the fact that anyone with a computer can get the GPS numbers using readily available GIS technology. As far as a squatter camp goes, it really is as insignificant as the rest of your arguments. If it was a squatter camp, you never owned it and have no right to complain when it was taken away. Essentially, someone finally terminated a long time repeated trespass.

Investment in a squatter camp is not exactly a smart choice. Those camps are privately owned and have been for years. Just like in the Big Cypress there are several private inholdings that were exempted out when the squatter camps were eradicated. These types of inholdings exist in just about all of the WMA's and Preserves in the Everglades watershed/basin.

Face it, you did not use your brain when you acted improperly and then posted pictures of it on a public forum. Now, to counter the well deserved criticism you've received you post babble about issues that have nothing to do with it. You need to go sit in the shade someplace and gather your thoughts before opening your brain through your keyboard. Your last attempts were infantile.

Appreciated...

Look I think that it is really sad that things are the way they are.  Hell, in the old days, this would not even be an issue.  Yea, you did some 4-wheeling, yea, you used the water.  You weren't like some a/h that would go there and tear everything up.  I think everyone gets twisted, because it is so hard to have nice things now-a-days.  Yea, it use to be really nice when you could do camp runs and stuff, but hell most people ain't having a good time unless they are destroying something someone else worked so hard to build.  Trust me, it really stinks, when you get to your camp and someone has done a number on it.  If someone comes to my camp, I really don't have an issue, but then again, who can you trust anymore.  That's why a lot of people don't even post where they ride anymore, because you will get a bunch of idiots out there, and you're done.  May not be members of this site, but I am sure people get their information from this site.

And, yea it may be a main road to you, but you know what, evidently, many don't know where it is.  I would like to see them make that run in rainy season, trust me, it ain't fun.  Been there done that.

No hard feelings, I too had to learn the hard way, what to post and not post.  Sometimes we forget, the nit-wits are watching.  Looking for something else to screw up.  It's like you stated, you took pictures, so it ain't like you were hiding the fact.  And at the same time, you need to understand where people are coming from.  Because we have seen it time and time again.  Something gets out on web, and it's done.  

Ah PS - Can you make that Mich Ultra Light -  ;)

Cheropride:

Great post. I agree with you. JackL, I don't think you're a bad guy, you just didn't think before you acted.

I too have had people come into my camp and use things around it (outside shower, fire pit, etc.) and even camp in my yard. They left it nice and clean and did no harm. I am glad they were able to use my place and have no probelm with it because they respected it. We're losing more and more ground because of poor choices we make for ourselves. I get really angry really fast when I see it happening. I'll never stop my activism no matter how some folks feel about it.

Ok, you are right. I'm calling the BSO right now to turn myself in for my crime.
Once released, I'm also going to tote 3 pallets of sod out there with the beer to fix any ruts I might  have made in the sawgrass.
Thank you for making me realise I'm just an idiot lawbreaker who should wear a helmet.

JackL, I agree with cheropride and Anoriginal, however, going back to make things right with the owner is an awesome idea.

:) Now that is no problem. I suppose I should have read the 'warning' that a new post was made during my last reply...I might not have hit it.

Oh well, AnOriginal. I'll bet you are a hell of a guy, and I hope to ride with you one day, even if your buddy wants to stuff me in a 55 full of lime.

I wouldnt waste a 55gal drum on you.

You can pour it out when you are done, you know in the hole where you throw the doe and such.

Ohh snap Ya'll..... Hell Nawww

Ok well I guess since the owners are family of mine I will chime in. Yes you should have stayed out of the ST AUGUSTINE sodded front yard. The big hole right out in front of the camp is called "the gator hole" it is usually 6' deep in water & the owners son is usually in it on his quad as well, but it is usually underwater. These guys are some of the coolest guys with the best toys out there bar none. Go to the airboat & track show & look for "still killin time". As for the "no airboats' getting out there, you are way wrong. His boat will run out there on dry ground & back without sweating. But just to let you know his ful track is one of the fastest out there & yes it will outrun any quad you cold dream of taking out there. Yes if they came up on you, there would be a problem if they felt you were tearing things up & yes they would be really PISSED if they knew you were posting there camp on an open forum. BTW, Jim is 6'4" & goes 260lbs. That camp is theres & they are grandfathered in I can assure you of that 100%. That is why it is 2story & not 2000 sq ft single level. I hope you will take the time to remove all pics showing the camp. I am gonna forward this post to his email & I hope you all get to drink a cold beer sometime. But please remove the pics of the camp, because now every yahoo who has seen it wants to go there. That camp has survived many hurricanes & fires, but one jackazz vandal & thief can ruin it just from your pics. In closing, lets keep the holey lands holey & show respect to anyone who has built there camps out there to last for years to come. A lot of sweat & money is involved out there & A LOT of guys will fight for that camp, just be careful & always show respect & you will someday get a chance to party on that porch, drink cold beer & eat steaks with that crew.


Steve

OK you have been asked to remove them.....ball is in your court...do the right thing.

Hey thanks for all the advice and perspective posted in this thread. I honestly forgot we have a big crowd here, and I'll bet 55% + would f**k the place up, and do donuts in the lawn in a heartbeat. I DID not ride on the beautiful lawn, I swear! I do most of my riding alone, and during the week . I rarely see what goes on over there at the Holey Lands when it is quad central.

I hope I got all the offensive ones gone yesterday, but feel free to tell me any more they want out..

I thought I already did yesterday, please point out anything else that should be removed!

Any pics of the camp & any kind of directions where you found it would be good. I do beleive you werent in the lawn & I beleive you had no intention of doing any harm, You as anyone else who sees it was probably in awe of the place. It also has electric doors like walmart to get in/out. It is probably the nicest camp in the glades owned by some of the best people. Good riding.

this is really really stupid leave the guy alone its not your property it dont matter if its your uncles cousins brothers daughters property its not your so you couldnt prosecute them for trespassin anymore than i can its a swamp and if i ever ride out there i will ride out there in any mudhole i please and it dont matter if your boys 8'1 or 1'8 my 12ga could stop a bear nm some drunk couzin so dont threaten people you dont even know he was cleaning up your cuzins place anyhoo as for anoriginal he gits a lil grumpy so just disregard his stupidy filled comments  ;) 

Backwoods, didi your mom have any children that survived?  I think JackL is on the right track and realizes the issues . You on the other hand........................why bother

the bright side is i dont need your approval to sleep at night

I didn't want to repsond to this post because I have never ridden out there and had nothing to offer.
Basically we have an individual who went out and had a great time riding, in his eyes he did nothing wrong and w/ a few people here who have been put on this planet just for the sole purpose of talking down to others to lift themselves up on a soapbox that really has no place in here.

Truthfully the guy made an error in judgement and reallizes it now and I would be willing to bet if he was sent a PM or an email from just one honestly concerned individual whether it be a family member or a friend of the Camp he would have made the proper adjustments to the post.
Instead the usual  happened and after one person made a reponse to his thread it turned into who knows who and another hey everybody, look at "ME" contest.

ATVFLORIDA.COM is or should be about brother/sisterhood and unity. Granted there will be the alleged moron and thats part of life but as a friend or a brother we all would respond a lot better to a private bash or redirection as it may than a public beating.

Guys and Gals I am not sure how many people are taking the May 19th Rally as serious as I, but we really have to pull together. Someone talked about those who are against us reading this site looking for ammo to use against us but I bet sometimes they read and celebrate the fact that we as a group implode  w/ in and will never evolve as a real community.
Now someone can say look at this guy, now he thanks he has the right to be on a soapbox and I appologize up front if it comes across that way.

I really would hate to show up to a ATV Rally and have to wonder who was that Forumn member that I pissed off and is he or she gonna come sucker punch me. I would like to show up and meet as many people I can bacause we all are on this forumn because of the LOVE we have for OUR SPORT/Hobby.
Ok, enough from me on this.

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Wow, this is the last time I just dump the pictures from the camera unreviewed onto ATVF :)

Anyone going tonight?

This was a really excellent Post, and if their is any chance I can make it, I will!!

Since AnOriginal let me get the last word, I nut red (neutered) the helmet less photos, like my dogs balls.


FWIW: I do usually wear a helmet.

as sponsor of the Rally...... yes, will do take it serious! 

OK bboy, I never once threatened JackL. I actually gave some creedence to his pic of riding in the hole closest to the camp in which everyone blasted him for. I can guarantee you wont make it far in that "swamp" with your attitude. You on the other hand threaten to shoot someone with your dads 12ga. I clearly said I didnt think jackl meant any harm & came somewhat to his defense, but maybe you hillbillies from cocoa cant read or dont have the attention span to read the whole thread. Every time I see your name in a thread it is with ignorant sarcasm & insults or threats.

I think a big problem with this thread is a lot of people don't ride the area, and took the pictures out of context. The rest seem to think our days at the Holey lands WMA are numbered, and any thing perceived as negative gets pounced on.

Me, I'm just glad I didn't post the pictures from Macs last week...:) Yes I did see and talk to a FWC guy there, and wouldn't recommend it, unless you been around a LONG time and know whats what.

The whole mud scene is way different from my perspective, because I ride mostly during the week when no one is around.  I often forget this hobby isn't just for us FLcrackers any more.

Everyone be safe this weekend, and hope to see some of you out at the Holey lands today/tonight. You know my bike and cooler now, feel free to come over and punch me, or have a drink.

I'll take a drink sometime,,,,I wanna go now because I didn't know how great it looked before.

I'll bring some trash bags with me though.

Id@

Man I'd go ride the place right now! ANy time is the right time. It looks like the rain has moved off.

I got some other threads with pics in em if you look. I better go check them for bad things!! :)

Any time you want to go, I'll be there man.

I was out there on Friday with MY KIDS. 6 & 9 yr old.  Funny thing is we rode straight to that camp without any knowledge of it or bad intentions.  I saw it on the horizon & went for it.  NO, we didn't enter the yard we actually turned around 200 yards away.  My point is these CAMPS are not exactly fenced off or identified with clear cut boundaries.  I can see that they must get alot of CURIOUS riders that come by or even in the yard.  I know logic would have you figure that where the sawgrass ends & the grass begins would be a clue.  It's a very nice looking camp!!  I can't imagine what the mosquito count is like in the middle of JULY :G

As JackL said, the conditions are right for riding in Holeyland & it is still LEGAL to ride there.  Enjoy & clean up some trash, the buzzards can't seem to keep up with it ;D

Wow! You're retarded aren't you? I'm with greenmachine in that every time you post, it's incredibly infantile. That's pretty much all that needs to be said about you. Now go to your room.


Inyourdraft - I know your post was directed at me, so I'll respond. I don't get on a soapbox. It's just that I have the intestinal fortitude to speak up. If you feel as if you're being talked down to, sack up and get over it. JackL and I have aired it out, he recognized what he did was wrong and took care of it. If and (hopefully) when we meet to ride together, I'll be the first to shake his hand and offer him a cold drink. No hard feelings, no issues, no problems.

In out sport, perception verses actuality is much more important. It takes very little to ruin things for us in any given location. It's not about crackers, rednecks, yankees, whites, blacks, cubans, indians, purple people, etc. It's about the ATV community as a whole and how we are perceived by the masses. Currently, they (the masses) do not like us. Each time we ride we need to act as if we're under the public microscope so that the impression we make is positive.

"Sack up and get over it"
Well I guess I should not be shocked over that remark.

"Wow! You're retarded aren't you?"
"Whats wrong w/ you >:("

And many more can be added to your arsenal of responses but you can call it intestinal fortitude and sleep at night. Thats why I said you talk down to people, use all that education you seem to have and speak to people w/ a little respect.

"No one cares how much you know until they know how much you care" Think on that and dont be so shallow w/ it....
 ;D I am easy going bro, you dont have to impress me w/ your intimidating comments, however you do impress me w/ some of the knowledge you bestow upon us in here. Be cool! 8)

Anoriginal is correct...ATVs in south Florida is dying out with no place to ride. We can't afford to give any of these people any more reasons to keep us out of areas that we are allowed to ride. We already lost a lot of the areas that they would turn a blinds eye and just let you have fun. We, as ATV riders, are looked at as a menace...Here is an article of a fire that broke out in Lehigh, they do not know the cause of this fire but they are quick to mention ATVers as a possible cause.

“It could come from anything,” said Ken Mulvey, a Division of Forestry firefighter. “It could be a cigarette, a match or just one of these kids on an ATV.”

http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070327/NEWS0103/70327003/1075

I agree that this could have been handled a little different, maybe some IM's, maybe not being so defensive, But we all agree that we need to watch each others back....Keep riding, and ride safe...

I can't think of one LEGAL riding area we have ever lost. McNab got built and was never legal in the first place. Fern Forest got sold and turned into a park, Lost Lake was never legal. Hollywood sporto and that cool bar were victims of progress....Sawgrass expressway kill a favorite of mine....ok, Holiday park we lost...don't think ATV's were the cause though.

A blind eye, and LEGAL are miles apart. Blind eye equals trespassing, and lawsuit happy transplants are what ruined that for us, not pictures or trash.

South of 41 in the glades, Picayune, Webb, St. Johns, Goethe, the addition lands in the Glades, Deep Lake, etc. All of these were WMA's that at one time allowed ATV use and now either do not or strictly limit them.

This is what I meant by defensive. My point was to watch each others back, that we (ATVers) as a whole are going to be attacked for every little thing that happens.  I also posted an article as an example. You are right about the trespassing areas but now that the Blind eye areas are shut down we are all being confined to a few areas that are legal, the limits to these areas are diminishing and the pictures of trash doesn't help...  Ask Bounty.  There are a lot of people out there that doesn't like you (or I for that matter) just because of your ATV, in their opinion we do not follow rules and only create destruction to the environment and other peoples property. We as a whole need to show more positives of our activity to try to change some minds. I believe some people's mind can be changed, hell, look at Harley's at one time anyone that rode one where looked at as part of a bike gang that brought about destruction and violence. Now it's looked at as a nice recreational activity for many, young and old. These post are by no means meant as attacks, I learn a lot from these post and hope others can also.  So...Let's keep looking out for each other and keep this activity fun for all.

rednipj ,
Good post, I would bet that the Harley riders stuck together like a brotherhood too. We here in the ATV world can do it as well.
I am looking foreward to the ATV Rally, New people and we can put a face to a name and it will help us grow a tighter bond.
"Build it and they will come" We are the pioneers, all others before us were not faced w/ this problem and we have a chance to create our future and for generations to come....... ;)

Now you know none of these were lost due to the current issues. They have always hated off roding here in S. Florida, but tolerated it when we built our buggies and rode our trikes....far from their homes.
Development is the real enemy here....and transplants that want everything like back home.
Hunters share the blame 50/50 IMO. Chasing down deer and running them over with airboats hardly makes most people think anyone should be allowed out there in da swamp....

BTW: The camps in my last pictures are NOT the best ones out there either!! I'm keeping the new ones to myself!!! Even if my new thread suffers because of it. :)

I shot this yesterday, no not the sign or the gator...just wanted to share in this thread since very few ATV'rs have ever made it out this deep.


(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g167/kr-yppy/holeyland3262077/pathIMG_4019.jpg)

On a side note, now I see why Big Daddy was so mad, I made fun of Kodiaks in this post.. :)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g167/kr-yppy/holeylands/IMG_3904.jpg)

Dude........ I didnt get mad, just stated a fact!  also your comment about the Kodiak, who cares! 

Most people seem to get pissed when you talk dung about their choice of bikes. I saw your pic on the other site and realised you had one.

One question, what is that cannon you are wearing on your side? My .45 would fall inside that holster.

44 mag or 50ae its hard to say I have a few pistols. Which site?

Floridaatv. I figured it was a .44. You have some hot blond girl in the shot with you wearing an orange shirt.

Well dam aren't I flattered.  Either that or you're blind.

Thats QT......

Be a hell of a hobby for a blind guy. I've never seen Braille GPS yet..

Women who are well spoken and all over forums are usually quite the opposite of you looks wise!! Damn, I don't want to ever tell you what I imagined you looked like before this. haha.

In the holster?

nope.... Qt will never be holster! ;)

NOW, That I can believe.

A lot of people have mailed me about where is this awesome place, so I figured I throw this in:

It is on US-27 at the Palm beach / Broward line.

http://myfwc.com/recreation/holey_land/default.asp

http://myfwc.com/recreation/holey_land/maps/Holey_Land-map-0607.pdf