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Big race this weekend boys and girls...  8)

Quads, Motorcycles, and Sprints.

Brady,
The 600 mini-sprints?

CYA Sat.

Jim

I got the flu yesterday  :-\ but I'm gonna try and make it out. Trikes pretty much all setup and ready.

I'm Countin the Days!! Are We There Yet.....

I don't know? I know that they do not come as part of their associations schedule. The ones that come, come just to race for fun. None of the sprint groups seem to stick to any kind of schedule. We'll see who shows I guess.

You should have seen these cars that came out on Sun. to practice. Three quarter late models! They had 1000cc motors, little quick change rears, the whole bit. They were fast!

I told a guy with a 350X that you guys were coming, so he's coming to race with ya'll.

Sweet, I hope I can make it. This thing is kickin I disagree. Mike and Alan have told me they'll be there for sure, so maybe we'll have a class either way.

Better get your long johns out for tomorrow nite , cuz it's gonna be down right COLD!!!! :oo :R :M :o

Yeppers.....That she is !!!

In fact, I'm just going to stay home, stay warm, and not seize anything!! ;D

Come on Jim.. you play hockey! you stand on ice for fun!!  If you need big jets I have some as well as doug.

The NEW +35C "Stanley Keg" Champs too, I might add!!!!! I normally run a 440 main, and the biggest I got is a 450. Plus I don't think there is a jet big enough to keep from freezing my big butt off !!!! ;D


Ya'll have fun !!!

Weather channel says its gonna be mid 40s, cold but it aint THAT cold!

40's I can handle, I thought it was gonna be in the 20's again and that would down right suck!

CANDY A$$  :-*LOL

I Know !!!!! ;D

Come on Jim !  They talked me into racing the GASGAS ! Come on out and represent brother ! ;)

DAAAAAAAAAANG...........
That would be worth the price of admission!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D

Good Luck!
Jim

Ight Who Won What Dang it?

Man Scoot was up missin the race. Well you missed some good racing. We had a few accidents, glad there were no serious injuries.

Open= Bud
Interm= Wayne
novice= Jody (GREAT JOB)
Youth= Jon

The weather was not that bad I really expected it to be much colder

I checked the weather it said it was goin to be in the 20's and chance of rain so i stayed Home lol,Plus im tired of Racing a Stock quad,My Other quad should be done by the next race,Then ill be back  ;)

Here are the race results from Saturday night:

OPEN QUAD
1st- #32 Bud Chancey, Honda 450R
2nd- #5x Scott Sheffield, Honda 250R
3rd- #24 David Ware, Yamaha Banshee
This was some great racing, as the whole class seemed to be scorching fast. Bud and Scott both ran extremely well, but Scott spun and had to restart at the rear of the field. :( He still managed to re-take 2nd in an 8 bike field. Dave's bike was screaming! I guess if you're going to break in a new motor, that's the way to do it!       

INTERMEDIATE QUAD
1st- #12 Wayne Palmer, Yamaha YFZ450
2nd- #6 Travis Edwards, Yamaha YFZ450
3rd- #32 Bud Chancey, Honda 250R
This class is always good. Wayne was blazing fast, but Travis and Bud were right there with him. Definately a great race. Wayne, you will need a safety strap if slide any further back on that quad!

VET QUAD
1st- #71 Rick Dugan, Yamaha Raptor 660
2nd- #07 Chris Ware, Honda 250R
3rd- #3 Len Rambo, Yamaha Raptor 700
Excellent racing in this class. The old guys can BRING IT! Congrats to Rick for his win, it's been awhile. Chris ran strong all night as well. It's good to see you back running hard after your accident. It is definately worth mentioning that the infamous Quad32 ran in this class tonight on a GasGas300. Not bad for an old fart who hasn't raced in a long time! I suspect he needed some oxygen and a beer afterwards though... ;) 

NOVICE QUAD
1st- #32 Jody Hopkins, Yamaha YFZ450
2nd- #4 Dare Rambo, Yamaha YFZ450
3rd- #3 Jeff Green, Honda 250R
A great race for sure! Congrats to Jody on his first win. Dare and Jeff were right there in it as well. I don't think there's a slow person in this class!

YOUTH QUAD - Heavy
1st- #92 John Cabana, Yamaha Blaster
2nd- #96 John Dugan, Yamaha Blaster
3rd- #82 Christian Jankun, Yamaha Warrior
In my opinion, this was the best race of the night. The two John's on the Blasters were RACING. Bumper to bumper the entire race with lead changes about every other lap. Awesome race!

YOUTH QUAD - Light
There were three kids in this class, Austin Akers, Carleigh Haas, and Joey Green. The score officials forgot to put this race on my results sheet, and I didn't see their race to know how they finished. I will post the results to this class shortly.

THREE WHEELER
1st- #3 Walter Lewis, Honda 350X
2nd- #22 Billy Golightly, Honda 250R
3rd- #57 Michael Donaldson, Honda 250R
Congrat's to Walter on his first win. He's a new racer, and was riding his butt off, because one little slip and Billy would have had him. Great race. For any doubters, I can assure you that the trike's get around the track damn good. 

PEE WEE QUAD
1st- #35 Cassy Rigdon
2nd- #04 Justin Ware
I love watching kids race. They don't care if there's 2 or 20, they're RACING!

SR. BIKE
1st- #54 Kurt Brady, Yamaha YZF450
2nd- #25 David Coon, ?
3rd- #8 Ryan Rutland, 85cc ?
It should be known that the 3rd place finisher is a 9 year old kid on an 85cc bike. He ran in an 8 bike, adult class. Crazy.

MICRO SPRINTS
The finishing order for this race was not provided to me. I will post it when I receive the correct scoring.


All in all it was a great night of racing. We had a few mishaps and some tore up quads, but no serious injuries. The worst injury being a broken arm by Corey who rides my YFZ450. The bike wasn't so fortunate... :(

 Thanks to everyone who came, and we'll see you at the next race on March 3rd.

Please Note: To avoid any confusion, the Thunderbowl race results and the Southern Flat Track League results may differ, as some racers are not members of the league.

Some good racing in the trike class last night. I wasn't sure if I was gonna make it down because of my  cold but I loaded up on medicine the night before and felt OK Saturday morning so I went ahead and packed up. Walter was haulin out there and the 4 stroke definitely had the hookup advantage from the slick track. His holeshot is crazy, its like greenlight and then the next thing you know hes in the corner already!

 :Clap.gif  Great racing last night!!!  Great job Bud for another awesome win in the Open Class!!  Intermediate was a sweet race, the #12 bike, Wayne was flying!  He was walking away on the straightaway....unreal!  Dare & Jeff did a great job in Novice, congrats boys!  The trikes main was awesome, they really know how to work those bikes.  Jon whooped some butt in the youth heavy and Austin, Joey & Carleigh did a great job as awlays in the youth light.  Thanks Bradyo & Ray for understanding our concerns and working with us with our kids in the youth class, we appreciate it!! 

Luckily the rain held off until about an hour after the races were over, cuz it came down in buckets!

Im sure your not happy with the way the league officals handled it. But you should know the rules for the Youth class before the race, just because you wanted to play by different rules in the middle of the game isnt the leagues fault.

The main thing we all need to concentrate on is letting the kids have FUN. That is all the kids want. All we need to do is be there for them to make sure it is safe.

CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL OF THE RACERS IN THE FEATURES.  A SPECIAL CONGRATS TO TRAVIS #6 FOR  :Sp SECOND PLACE IN THE INTERMEDIATE RACE.  HE DID A GREAT JOB. TRAVIS AND BUD DID AN AWESOME JOB KEEPING UP WITH WAYNE #12.   ZACH AND ERIC'S WRECK WAS SCARY.  :tsktsk.gif  WE'RE ALL GLAD THEY WERE OK.  WE LOVE WATCHING ALL THE KIDS RACE AT THUNDERBOWL, THEY ALL HAVE A GREAT TIME.  EVEN THE ADULTS WERE ENTERTAINING. :T  WE CAN'T WAIT FOR THE NEXT ONE IN JASPER!   :box.gif  

Did I say I wasn't happy?  NO.  Did I blame the league?  NO.  Re-read my post - You may want to brush up on your reading skills.  We handled it through the TRACK OWNER.....NOT the LEAGUE officials...know your sh*t before you start anything.  Points ain't worth my child's safety, that's why we decided to pull our kids out of the league race. 

Why make up a screen name just to start stuff, if you had any balls you'd have said it to my face last night!  I know who you are and you had no right being in the YOUTH PARENTS meeting....you don't have a kid in the youth class.  My team didn't call the parents meeting, we had no reason too.  We had already pulled our kids out of the race by that time and the track officials wanted our kids to race in their own sub-youth class.

You and your little group have no sportsmanship. If you ain't got sportmanship you ain't got nothing!!!!  It seems like you all love to start the bull every time you show up. 

See ya in Jasper :M :W :Dead.gif

 

Thank you, that's all we care about too, safety and fun and yes all the kids want to do is race and have fun

Sounds like a great night of racing.  Our kids are missing some flat track action so we are going to do some more soon. We miss all the great people at the track.
 We are doing MX right now and its a lot more keep to your self type racing and when your winning at MX it not congrats its bickering form the parents. When kids are involved it need to be fun win or lose and we found that out flat tracking with the southern flat track league they keep it fair and fun. The kids still have fun no matter what we race its the kids parents.

Congrats to everyone race safe ;)

Man! I come in to work and the first thing I see is a PM about this.


First off,  since this was a league race you should have come to a league official, not the track owner.
After all this was a league points race not a T bowl points race and all your riders are all league members. I explained everything to Todd Sat night and he completely understood. The youth class isn't based on experience but rather age and bike size. If all the racers fit that profile than thats where they go. If its an experience class you want then the Novice class is where they should go. That class is for the "newer" riders. If you think they don't have enough experience for that class maybe they need more practice time before you sign them up in a points driven racing league. There will be no new points classes then what we have already listed for this season. Next season we might consider a change.


Now for all these unsportsman like issues,  In short, I will be holding riders responsible for their "crew" actions. We had a 6 year old hear a comment last race when a woman, telling another woman to stick something somewhere (I was less graphic) NOT GOOD!    It ends now for all parties involved. This is supposed to be a family league.  I would hope everyone would agree that I don't pick sides or favor any one rider more than another. Penalties will be handed down equally regardless if I've known you for a while or we have just met.

This will be discussed in more detail at the meeting in Jasper.   Lets race and have fun guys this is what this league was created for...

How do you think I felt when I read someones comment blasting us on here for no reason?  My post was in no way out of line, Racergirl's on the otherhand was. 

Chris, Todd did talk to you about it and we had no problems with the rules, that's why we pulled them out of the league race.  We were packing up their gear when we were told they will still be able to race, with no league points, which is not a problem.  The kids don't care about the points all they want to do is ride and have fun.  Yes, we sigend them up in the league for 2 reasons, 1) Travel to new tracks for experience and 2) to support the league.  We already have riders in other classes attending the league races, so why not have them all attend.  The problem is when you have Intermediate riders out on the track with "new riders" that age wise qualify for the youth class, but don't have the experience that an Intermediate or even Novice rider has.  They are a lot more aggressive than the youger kids are, that will come in time for these little guys.  I know you can understand where we are coming from. It would almost be like putting an Open rider in the Novice class.  Open riders are wide open, more aggressive, therefore more accidents may happen.  Again, we had no problem with the decision you had made and we moved on from there, we were over it issue resolved.  Then someone decided to call a "Youth Parents Meeting" to hash it out, I don't know why cuz the issue was already resolved. There were adults there who did not have kids involved in that class who told our kids they needed to be disqualified, that's NOT KOOL to directly go off on 11 year old kids. 

I don't understand why someone has to start arguments every time there is a league race.  Ride fair, race fair and there won't be any issues.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to comprehend that.  Everyone out there, kids and adults, want to have fun.

I agree that riders should be penalized for their "crew's" actions/behavior in the pits.  Heck Nascar does it to the drivers when their crew cheifs screw up.  But before any penalties are handed out, get both sides and know exactly what happened, what started it and go from there.

I hear what your saying, but to be super clear on this. Riders cannot move between the open, interm, and novice classes. If thats happening I need to know ASAP. However in the Youth, Vets, and ladies (if we ever get one) are open to everyone who fits that profile. (open riders can race in interm as long as they are on two different bikes)

heres an example..

There is a 15yo girl who rides a Ltz400. Shes a VERY good rider and races the Open class, she can still race the Ladies and Youth class because she fits both profiles. She CANT race the Vets, Interm or Novice.
  I cant make up a new class for everyone who wants one. We would end up with 50 classes with 2-3 bikes in each one. I know Christian doesnt make it to all the races because of his FFA deal and Ricks boy doesnt make it because of Ricks deal at T bowl. So it will work it self out in the long run. .

  Trust me, If there is an issue with someone pit crew it wont be a knee jerk reaction and it will be fair regardless of who it was.

I dont want to hijack bradys thread any longer... ;)  Todd has my number you guys are free to call me anytime and we can see what we can do. Theres always options....

thanks Steve! You can have an Open rider in the Interm class as long as they are on two different bikes...  ;D

First of all, I think many of you think that I posted under the racergirl screen name. Which I did not! I was upset about the situation because I felt that my little brother was being attacked. But would never have gone on here and blasted your group of racers. It’s not my personality. Did I think what happened Saturday was in any way fair or cool…no…but I certainly did not want to stir the pot. (Which is why I am hesitant about posting this.) But I want to clear a few things up.

As far as safety in youth class…I could see your concern if someone was racing overly aggressive or even totally dominating the class. Saturday night, this was not case. Christian and Justin (and Jon I think) were behind your racers in the first heat. I thought the first heat was a great race. Very clean! So why not just let the youth race and have fun under the rules and guidelines given (the rules were, after all, created by track and league officials with safety being their #1 concern). There were only racers there between the ages of 11 and 14. Not a big age difference at all.

We have been racing for years at various tracks. I can remember when Christian was one of the youngest in the youth class at SandMountain (along with Justin Palmer). Heck, at that time there were racers riding and dominating both the youth and open classes on the same bike. But they raced within the guidelines (age and cc limit). He raced at our discretion and we knew the rules before we signed him up for the class. That was my only point Saturday night (that rules can't be changed in the middle of race...especially on a points night). Never did I use fowl language or gestures towards you or your kids. I think they are not only great kids but also great riders.

On a side note…the lady keeping score is the one who called the meeting. She had DQ’ed your kids because they didn’t race the second heat and she was trying to get the situation figured out. So please don’t point the finger my direction.

I agree with you Chris. In a perfect world this is what I would like to see happen at league events.

1.   I would like to see racing return to a fun family friendly event.
2.   I would like to see less drinking at the track. I just don’t feel it’s the time or place with all the kids running around. It seems to have gotten out of hand.
3.   I would like to see profane language and gestures banned. Again, too many kids at the track for these types of actions to take place. To me, this should include what is posted on this forum (kids read it too).
4.   I would like to see rules taken seriously. No bending, breaking, and/or changing to suit your own needs.
5.   I would like to see people have more regard/respect for the league, league officials and league rules especially on a points night.

Lisbeth

*Sorry for the lengthy post but I had to get these things off my chest

well I had a great time this weekend, I wish my machine didnt make me DNF in the main, but thats racing, I have a weird problem with my rear brake caliper seizing up for about 3 seconds, I would have made it through if it wasnt for that, cant wait till the jasper race to race again!!

Shoot! if ya was a pro you would just take the brakes off!  :-\

I am not a member of the SFTL, but I feel this is the main reason why I don't own a racing quad.  It seems the SFTL is geared toward family fun and that is awesome, and I also hope that everyone that attended drag races at Saltsdale thought the same.  I tried to take extra time and let the kids drag race as much as possible, because they are the future.  I have sold my quad last year and got into competeing at Jack Russell Trials because my wife LOVES dogs.  And I have to say, at first we did not know anyone and it was soo much fun as a family, we were not that competetive.  We have been doing it for a year now and I can't believe how many people do it as a business instead of family fun.  I hate to say it, but when competition is involved you are going to have people that do it for fun and people that take it way to serious.  Comments not directed towards anyone and it seems that the SFTL is doing a great job keeping it family fun.

We always had a great time at Saltsdale. Those kiddos use to fly! Even the kids that were 11+ riding in the adult classes (since there were not enough of them to have their own class) use to kick butt!  I use to love watching Scooter and Gary battle it out in the 400 class. Its funny…even now…they still have the same bikes and are still battling it out on the track! In fact it was at Saltsdale that we met the Ware's and got into Flat Tracking with them at Dade City. I too can't believe how many nice people we have met over the years despite the competitve nature of racing!

Lisbeth

Man smokedog , I sure miss the saltsdale days. I made a bunch of good friends there and had tons of fun. :ThumbsUp.gif        Get it Rags !! ............................................  8)

I appreciate your response.  I don't like posting with an attitude, but when someone posts something like Racergirl did, I am not going to sit back and not respond.  I was very upset last night after reading that, it was not kool at all.

In no way did we or any of our team parents try to bend or change any rules, WE dropped our kids.  I agree with you, you don't change the rules, period.  

I do have a legitimate question for you, because nobody would answer my question Sat. nite.  Has Christian ran in an Intermediate class or Novice previously?  It sounds as though he has been racing for years, correct?  If so, why would he or his parents want to drop down 1-2 classes to run?  The reason I am asking is we were told by another person that he is an Intermediate rider.  The rules may allow you to do that, but why would you want to?  My son is able to run in the Pee Wee class on a cc appropriate bike, but he doesn't feel like it is right, he is more experienced than that.  Do you think the parents of the Pee Wee riders would be concerned if there were all of the sudden 3, 11 year olds dropping out of the Youth class to ride in the Pee Wee class?  I know I would be concerned and I would ask these very same questions, why move down a class.  I do not want to argue, I just want to know honestly how others would feel.

The main reason we got in this is for because our kids and friends kids wanted to race. When we started last September it has been nothing but a blast for our kids out there and us, BUT there have been a few incidences where people have started a controversy with our team and it only happened at league races at T-Bowl.  Any other time we have raced there, we've had no problems, just fun.  I don't understand why.  We don't start anything, we race clean, and don't protest anything.  All we have wanted to do is get out there and have fun.  We haven't had the chance to try out other tracks, but had planned to this season.

We too like a lot of you all have made some great friends at T-bowl.  We look forward to seeing these folks each and everytime we go to the track.  As I said before, we've only been racing since September and have met some awesome people.  We have gained a lot of knowledge about flat tracking through these people and we really appreciate that.  We share equipment, oil, gas, etc. with anyone who asks, and we too, do the same with others.  That's another part of racing, creating bonds with other teams.

Dang! i cant seem to stay out of this thread..

A few points.... the youth class isnt a move down, its just another class. Christian raced interm last year, he could race it this year if he wanted to as well as youth.

Your kids cant race peewee its 11 and under, meaning if they are 10yr and 364days old, they can race for one more day then they are done and there isnt to many 9-11 year olds on less than 80cc bikes and as of right now there is no A class unless Dreth and Daves boy joins the league again.

Last read the bold about the peewee class..
Peewee* (11 yrs and under)
a. 80-150 CC
b. less than 80 CC

*At the leagues' discretion a Peewee rider may be reclassed based on
rider ability despite CC size.

I just posed a question to see how other parents would feel. Our kids would never go for the Pee Wee class even if they if they were able to,because you're right, not too many kids that age would race an 80cc bike.  I just wanted to make a point and get an opinion. 

I know Youth is just another class (specialty).  What I was trying to say was, why if someone has already raced in Intermediate or Novice (meaning they are experienced now), want to go to a Youth class? (unless their bike is broke and they have a bike that qualifies to ride in the youth class, totally understandable)  You'd think they would want to stay with those who ride like them so that they can have the competition and learn.  Some of the other parents were asking that same question Sat. night.

I feel this question is not legitimate instead its very out of line and again pointing fingers and attacking Christian (who is still just kid out there to have fun and race). But I will answer you even though Chris has already mentioned that the rules for the youth class are not based on experience but rather age and cc limits. If you don't feel comfortable having your kids race under those rules and regualtions that's your choice. But please don't attack or point fingers at a child who is, after all, following the rules given. Christian has raced in other classes (as have several of the other youth riders). There are several reasons why he is racing in the youth class.
1. He is only 14. (Which meets the age requirement)
2. He is using his warrior as a flat track bike (it would not be competitive in any other class). The bike he rode last season is now set up for the motorcross track at Dade City since is racing in their series as well. (Which meets the cc requirements)

The only other controversy my husband and I have been involved with at T-bowl is when my husband (Gary) was given the finger (actually several) coming off of the track.

I am not attacking anyone, simply asking a question.  Nobody is ponting fingers.  I saw Christian race for the first time Sat. nite, and I think he is a great rider, just as Jon, John and Justin are. 

As for getting out of line, the only person getting out of line was whoever Racergirl is. If stirring the pot is what she, or whoever wanted, that is what she got.  Why hasn't that person jumped back into this conversation?

If you are accusing me of giving your husband the finger you are sadly mistaken.  If you are not, then no big deal.

Even though it seems as though you want to argue over this, I am not going to play the game.  As I stated in my previous post, just asking a question (hypothetical), not trying to argue, attack, or point fingers.  I don't get on this thread to argue with people, I get on to converse with people, talk about how well the races went, etc. 

Me and jayz were talking we would like to put our 90cc bikes in the kids heavy class just to see the out come. Of course we are stiring the pot on this issue.  Its fun messing with you guys.  :-*
 

I just posted some three-wheeler class video clips in the picture thread inside the SFTL forum, check em out.

Well that Takes Myself and Quad32 out of Racing  ;)

OK here is  question for n-tense motorsports. What is the difference in Bud riding Open and Intermediate to Christian riding Youth and Interm? There isn't a difference they are both great riders and Bud is able to race both classes b/c he does so on 2 different bikes. Christian is riding a Warrior in the youth class and last year he rode his 450 in the intermediate. I don't see how you say Christian has moved down a class b/c isn't that is what Bud has done.You cant sit there and say Christian has moved down a class b/c he hasn't and if it where true is that not what Bud has done as well. I don't see the problem w/ either riding where they are due to the fact that both are following the RULES, so let it go and let these kids race.
If everyone keeps fighting about this sooner or later its going to make it not fun for the kids and they will just quite so they don't have to deal w/ all the tension.  Lets just let them be kids and race.

Alright peeps, I think it is time to let all of this go. It is done and over with. What we as adults need to look at is:
#1 We need to relize that there are several KIDS, possible sponsors,   and other people looking at what we are posting. What is done is done and we all had a little meeting about it on Saturday night at the race. We need these kinda concerns and ?'s brought up in the drivers meeting prior to the race starting. This has always been a great family and fun sport and we need to keep it that way. I understand that we can and will not ever be able to please everyone BUT we will listen and try to make everything right.
 So at this time PLEASE let this go...
We all know that when we see a new person post it is usually going to be to try and start trouble, so try to look past it and do not reply because that is all they are tring to do is get you fired up, beleive me it will bother them much more if you do not respond to there post.

Thank You
Wayne

Well put Wayne.

I'm going to jump in here breifly with a little bit of the tracks point of view.

 First and foremost, for all league members, please don't hold Chris Ware, Dave Ware, or any other league official responsible for breaking up the youth class. That was done solely by the track, more specifically: me. When it was decided to have a meeting with the kids regarding this issue, I requested the parents come up, because I am not going to make decisions affecting kids without the parents knowledge. Also, I am not taking any ones side, as I can actually see all sides of the arguement.
 Everyone knows that there have been days past when Chris and I didn't agree on all things racing, namely league rule vs. track rules, etc. We have since put our heads together for everyones benefit, and tried to streamline the rule structure to help alleviate any problems before they come up. However, no facility or group can prepare for every situation that could possibly arise, as was the case with the various kids in the youth class Saturday. I didn't actually see the first race with all of the kids together, so I can't comment on who rode how. I do know that as the track owner, I'm not going to stand by and watch kids cry while they load up their quads and gear because of a decision made by their parents, who have the ultimate say as to what their children do. The main reason I even became involved with this facility is for kids to have a safe place to race. Had this problem been in an adult class we wouldn't even be having this conversation, I can assure you. After discussion, and determining that the younger kids wanted no points or score, then why not let them race seperately? It affects no one but them anyway. The 1st and 2nd place finishers in the original youth class are not league members either. In the future I will review the lineups at Thunderbowl to help curtail this problem before it blows up. But like I said, no one can see every problem coming down the pike. However, I will say this, as I've said before: If you have a problem at Thunderbowl- Come And Get Me! Talk to me rationally about your problems, and I will try to help get it worked out. If it's a league issue, get with Chris, and he will get with me. We both strive hard to help please our respective groups.    
 I think some of the league members feel like we're out to sabotage their rules or just be hard to get along with. This is not the case at all. The quads could have no greater ally than the track owner who races quads with them! I think a lot of the friction comes from the fact that when the league as a group goes to other tracks there are no other quads or bikes there other than their own so the leagues rules work perfectly, but Thunderbowl is unique in that it has an established following of local racers that come to every race as well as to league races. This is why, as I stated earlier, that Chris and I have worked hard to standardize and streamline both of our rules, classes, and scheduling to help alleviate confusion and dissention among the various mixture of riders. I know the tracks local riders look forward to racing with league members and I'm sure league members look forward to racing with us. It's totally a win-win for all the racers! That being said, when a situation arises at my facility like arose Saturday, I'm going to do what I can to find some middle ground so the kids can race, which is what happened. The young kids got to race, and leagues youth class went on relatively unaffected.  

If anyone has any questions, please feel free to ask.  

Thank You
Brady

i don't race and i don't have any kids that race but i do like to go to the races and see the kids having fun i recalled at the beginning of the season a young racer was told he had to move up a class he was too good to race with the novice class even though hes only raced approx 7 times i think that the youth class should be for the young kids if you have a rider that races in imd. class it isn't fair to let him race in the youth class and the rules need to be changed!!!!!!!!!!! lets keep everything fair for the kids Brady you do a great job and you need to work things out and get the kids back on track and happy!

Brady you do a great job and you need to work things out and get the kids back on track and happy!

Everything was worked out and the kids were able to race and have fun. Thanks for your reply

wow i want to post.. please, any one? no ok i wont lol

That is why I said let the kids be kids and race. Most could care less where they finish or what trophy they get they are out there b/c they are having fun. On the other hand good racing everyone and see ya at the next race.

Ray, you're a trip. Now get you a$$ back to practicing your flagging!(we all know you sleep with that black flag)

I think, as a sport, we're just having growing pains due to numbers of new riders getting into flat track racing. I think it will only grow exponentially once the TT track is complete. As it grows and the riders increase, we as a track will have to stay progressive to accomodate everyone in some more specific classing. Besides the youth class situation, a good example is the tracks Vet class. My thoughts upon creating this class was for older guys who were somewhat new to have a more mellow class to race in. Well, if you watched the Vets race Sat. it was anything but mellow. These guys were hauling a$$.  But, like I said, as riders increase, we'll just have to figure out a way as a facility to accomodate everyones needs.   

I CAN POST first old lady thru it out of bed (and if seen please call t-bowl) i miss u luv  :'( and yep growth is problem cant wait for it though, ok thats all im saying. lol

Do the other flags get jealous since you favor that black one so much? LOL.

they dont know shhhhh and u dont tell i know where u own the best damn flattrack in florida is, so i can c u so dont tell them >:( :-*

ps brian might have it because my blue passing flag is laughing at me and calling me, and i cant take this any more.... :'(

No, Brian don't have them. He doesn't see them remember?

Maybe soon to be own TWO of the best dirt track in central FL.
Shhhhhhhh. ;)

Why don't you two homos get a room and whisper in each others ears. Sheezze. ::)

I think your confused.... Your Speaking of Travis Edwards, he raced the Novice Class and was told by Ray he needed to move up. As the night went on I didnt feel right about it. later that night, I spoke with Both Travis' mom and dad and I gave them the OPTION of moving him to Intermediate or leaving him in Novice. After a day of thought they chose to put him in intermediate where he finished 2nd Saturady night... Looks to me the right choice was made, that boy can flat ride! As far as the Interm/youth debate, as i said before the rules will remain the same for this season, next season they could be changed if we have a large enough following of youth only riders. Oh, as of now, all the riders in the Youth class dont race any other classes...  ;D

Shut up Tool, you're just jealous!

Did some one say Tool?  ::)

You all are right, there was no need for this thing to get so blown out of proportion, the issue was put to bed on Sat. nite.  At the end of the nite, the kids were happy and that's all we wanted.  Thanks for your help Brady, Ray and Chris, we appreciate it.

One last thing...... Ray, you are ate up!!!!  :K ;)

Man, if there was half the drama on the track compared to what's in this thread, I'm glad we decided to stay home. Seriously, the bickering and bad sportsmanship among some of the people at the track has gotten really old really fast. The last time I checked the majority of the people at the track are responsible, level headed adults. Maybe it's the competition thing, or the alcohol, or who knows what else, that changes the way people act (and if that's the case they need to give one or all of it up), but like everyone else has said, what ever happend to going out there and having fun? Growing pains or not, people need to remember how to act, especially in front of kids. I don't care how much someone drinks or how much someone curses, if you can't handle yourself properly you shouldn't be out there in the first place. Hopefully things will be better come the Jasper race, otherwise it's going to really suck to drive 3 hours just to listen to a bunch of whining. Maybe I'll just stay home with Quad32 and Scooter so we can get drunk and curse, lol

no i wasn't confused what i was just tyring to say was if Travis is that good to be told he had to move up and if he was of age for the youth class he shouldn't be allowed to race in a lesser class but since you brought up that move thing and rules from what i understand and i might not have all the facts  Travis could race in novice as a league racer but t- bowl wouldn't let him race there for points if that was the case then no one plays by the rules any way i don't want to get in to a debate on this whats done is done! our company is a sponsor and i think its a good think you just need to work out some issues with the rules sorry if i upset some one with this its just my opinion thats all

OK once again.
What Brady and Ray do on Tbowl points nights may Differ from league points nights. Thunderbowl doesnt have a say so over the league just as the league doesnt have a say so over them.
Travis cant race in a "lesser" class. Unless he rides a different bike in the Open class.
I might be a little confused about what your trying to get across. Feel free to call me and I will explaine how the rules work. 813-695-1444  Im not tring to argue or debate with you I just think you might be on a different page. Any racer of ours who doesnt follow the rules during a league race will be DQed. PERIOD! No exceptions.

Who are you a sponsor of?

oh yea,well your momma wears combat boots :D :D :D

i just had too! Ray made me do it

Dang, talking about someones mama    oooooohhhhh









It was funny though.

   I just read all this so I know I am late getting in but......Why hasn't anyone brought up the fact that one reason Christian rode in the Intermediate class last year is because there wasn't a youth class?
     Cyall in Jasper!

Dang I thought for a min I was going to haft to call JERRY SPRINGER.This was almost better than CSI.LOL

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Good point Dave. I really appreciate you guys sticking up for Christian. He is afterall still just a kid. I know that the comments that were made (both on here and that night) about really bothered him, so it's nice to see people on his side standing up for the rules. Thanks again to you, Chris, Megan, and however else posted on his behalf! I am glad the situation was resolved and hopefully the rest of the season will run smoothly. Looking forward to good racing in Jasper and at the Nationals!

Lisbeth