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Would you buy one? Why or why not?

I have one on the front, i guess i could put one on the back too..

I will buy one. I think that it's great. There is a tag with MLK, Jr. on it so why not one for all of Southern Heritage .

heck yea. anything that has to do with the confederate states.

why not? i live in miami and no one around here takes it offensive. i have a nice big confederate flag on the front of my truck. i say go for it.

id buy it right

I dont think one would ever get approved. Too many people have no idea what it stood for and most look at it as a slap in the face.Look at that moronic girl from Hollywood Hills HS who wants to ban shirts hats and any other thing from school because it offends her.  My dad ALWAYS had one on his trucks and a flag in the house, but my dad was also pretty racist too. He wasnt a kkk member or a radical but the n-word was used as much as any other word in his vocabulary. I consider myself a native redneck but all i have left is my dads old flag and the plate he had on his truck when he died.

Would i get one? I dont know, it would all depend on what it looked like really. I have friends of all races and they wouldnt have a problem with me wearing or displaying a confederate flag because they know who i am. But someone else may give you that look or words because you have that.

The only flag we should be flying is the American flag, period! No confederate, Polish, German, Cuban, Puerto Rican, etc Get over it!

whats wrong with that? i joke around with all my other race friends and they call me a cracker. we just have fun.




somebody woke up on the wrong side of the rock. lol. i dont see a problem with the Rebel flag but the others can go. thats just my personal opinion and you stated yours so dont get all mad at me over it.

me too im the same as fox17 i fly the american flag and the rebel flag on my truck
some ppl at my school said it was racist and i told them i was ofended by there cuban flag on there car and if they wanted me to take mine off they would have to take theres off

I guess if its your heritage then you can represent it. Heck, we have cubans, jamaicans, and a bunch of other nationalities with their flags displayed on their vehicles.

One more for it!

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http://flscv.hostcentric.com/heritage_plate/index.html

here is their press kit that shows the main people behind this. take a look before you say its racist.
http://flscv.hostcentric.com/heritage_plate/press_kit.pdf

If they get enough signatures it could pass, but it will surely go in front of a high court somewhere. To be honest, I am offended by the choose life tags. I dont believe in abortion personally, but it should be the womans right & she will answer to her maker one day not the fanatical prolifers supporting these tags. If the money from these tags supports the prolife groups, some have been proven terrorists, like the guy who was bombing clinics in the Carolinas or the guy who shot a Dr. at point blank with a shotgun when he got out of his car.  UhOh....I probably just kicked a hornets nest. I'm out...

ill sign. i want one of them. that thing is sweet.

another supporter i aint racist neither even though i dont particilaly care for peeps that think there 50 cent n all thug n the ''n'' word is just as racist as them callin me a cracker or a hick etc... so if they wanna complain bout it they need to look at both sides ive met plenty of nice black folks n sum stupid white ones that think there m+m butt i guess it goes both ways lol

They have already collected all the signatures and raised the $60,000 application fee. There is no reason this tag should be denied. They met the requirements put forth by the state.

id buy one, for the front back and to put in the window..I dont see why i cant support something i believe in, when all the cubans mexicans and etc have there sticker and tags on there cars.

I want a affirmative action license plate ;) Screw you crackers!!!! ;D

This is not just a tag to put in your window It's an actual license tag you would pay extra for.

I would get that tag and be the first to personlize it and have it say  "RED NEK" :Y

ill buy one when its time to renew mine. ill have to think of somethin else since bigscrub took my idea. lol. j/k but it is a cool idea though.

The state will make some serious money off of these!

:T :Y :T :Y

I'd defanatley get one just to piss off some stupid liberal

Sign me up, can't wait.

here the news poll


http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/myfox/

mid way down, right hand side

sweet. yea is winnin by 50%. i guess most people approve. not that that poll means anythng but still.

if people don't like it they should just ignore what they see. It's dumb that people care so much about things that they hate!!!

 
 IM all for it that is why this country is free. that tag will look good on the back of my 3500 silverado

I'll take 2 please  8)

florida rebel yell      hell yeah   stars and  bars  bout time they came out with something good

Oh hell yeah yeah Im getting one of these, Im a crazy redneck and I got a big truck I love the rebel flag. GIT-R-DUN  honkey tonk badonkadonk, Im putting one on the roof, one in the front, 3 in the windows, and Imma hang one from the rear view. General Lee all the way, the south will rise again! Ima a cowboy through and through, I only listen to country music and I wear wrangler jeans and drink budweiser and jack daniels. YEEHAW!!!

Ignorance is Ugly

you go Chris ;)

This is America! you can only be proud of your heritage if you come from another country and/or are non-white. you know bloack history month, you can be african american, you can have a black prom where whites are excluded, you have ethnic diversity, but if you're proud of your white American heritage you're just racist.....at least that's the way it appears in our country today. I'd buy 2 in a heartbeat but they will never be approved as it would be heralded as racism by non-whites and by liberals. Non if you're not white you get extra points when applying to college or for a job.but that's not racism, it's called affirmative action. The only thing you can get based on race that is exclusive to whites is charges of a hate crime if the victim is non-white. And conversely non-whites can't seem to be charged with hate crimes. Go figure.

Heck, I'll take 2 then.   ;)

Supporting the confederate battle flag is ignorant and your ugly. The south lost, get over it. America is not divided, the south and north is united. Do you really need to waive a flag to remember you heritage and prove who you are?

I would rather have this one... ;)

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or this one...

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I take it we are not gonna be best buddies?

I for one say good for the south!  :) finally we have some recognition.  some people take it offensively but "why say sorry for what was right" that was on a confederate shirt.

tell that to al sharpton, jesse jackson, and anyone that uses the phrase "african american" or anyone that has a puerto rican , cuban , or mexican flag in their car or on their home.

Oh, so this is the war on the non-supreme races, you feel the need to wave your flag against the puerto ricans, cubans, and mexicans who wave theirs

They wave the flag of their country because their proud, they may have moved here for a better life. I do not agree with that, if their so proud they should stay in the country they came from. But regardless, the point to be made is that they are waving a flag of a country that still stands.

If you are proud to be an American then wave the American flag, not the confederate flag because no matter what you say it means its promoting seperation of our country. "the south will rise again"

Dont think Im some kind of hippie. I wish all the mexicans, puerto ricans, whatever they all look the same would go back to their country and stop ruining America with all that spanish trash and they cant even speak english when you try to order something at a fast food restaurant. And I agree with you all about that black racism stuff, BS how they blame everything. "Oh, its because Im black right"

I think its good to represent your heritage and be proud from where you came from or what you believe in, I have no problem with people waving Mexican, Puerto Rican, German, polish, Irish, etc.  Be proud of your heritage.  I don't think that this is racist or anything, I just think that its nice for people that are from the south to have something to wave around and be proud of.  I rather stick with another license plate like the Florida one, nothing special, proud to represent my state :)

yes

I believe there is a kids corner

I belive its not manditory for me to post in there :N.

kids corner?  who is that directed at?

southern 4x4

He likes the confederate flag because of all the colors

o yea i love teh pinks and greens and purples!!!!111

alright its not about the colors though

it was a joke.

no the other guy was saying the only reason you like it is because of colors but yeah.

and the confederate flag stand for part of our history. A history those fleeing other countries flock to. If it were so bad then I invite anyone not wanting to be American to leave. Upon getting here they should dedicate themselves to THIS country , not the one so bad that the left. If they want to be african american, cuban american, irish american, italian american, what ever, then they shoud go back to hte place they like so much that it should come before the land they now live in. and for the most part those that fly those other flags (mexican, peurto rican, etc.) were born here and have never seen foreign shores. the point is if you want to live here you should  speak the language and be part of the culture, not force a culture from  another land on those already here. that includes konwing about and accepting the history of what made this country what it is. You say they honor flags of existing countries, I say the confederate flag is part of THIS country. and for those that are so quick to try and force their culture on us, they need to re-evaluate what they want to be part of and go or come here/there and join that country not try to force the one they left on us.
The Confederate flag stand for alot. it is part of what made this country what it is and no one should be ashamed of it. This is still the South, just the South of America and no longer a seperate country and the Confederate flag is still proudly flown here.

I agree with just about all of what you said. Theres nothing wrong with being proud of living in the south, but the confederate flag represents more than that. Too many dumb rednecks fly it for all the wrong reasons

Are you some kind of Flag hero?...Do you always know why someone is flying the flag or is it just an assumption? Have you asked these dumb rednecks? My daughter likes the Confederate flag, and I made her do a ton of research  on it before hand just to understand it. So While you have a valid point the way you present it takes away from your credibility. So before you go telling a younger member  to go back to the Kids Corner YOU should reevaluate what YOU post and HOW YOU post it. To me you sound like an Overzealous Ignorant Yankee.

I just am tired of hearing about all these dumbass "rednecks" go crazy about anything to do with the confederate flag. "Oh, Im gunna be the first one to get me one of them rebel license plates, Im gunna hang em all over my truck, front, back, and in the windows"

im in on this... ill pay the extra

dude you contradict yourself. you trash the rebel flag because it promotes racism and you sir are a racist based on your response. which one is it. wait dont answer that cause i already know.


myabe you should go back to wherever it is you came from.

I was pointing out that he waved the rebel flag against other races that wave theirs. That could be considered as a somwhat racist minded act. He said the rebel flag didnt promote racism but it sounds like he uses it in a racist way.

And I dont like the spanish speakers that come here and get free schooling and disrespect Americans. Most of them are illegal anyways. If that makes me a racist then thats fine

And the reason I was "trashing" the rebel flag has nothing to do with race. Its about not being united as a country

you are a racist and dont try to turn into a disrespect america issue cause its not.

words like "all" and "they all look the same" gimme a break.
let me ask you, your name jewbacca is that cause your a jew and you believe that you are above everyone else or is it cause you hate them as well.

im done with this cause you aint worth mi tiempo.

buenos dias senor. ;D

You need to understand what you type before you type it. Your comments alone Jewbacca are Text book Closet  Racist...you try and seem "PC" but your generalized Statements prove otherwise " Dumb rednecks" "They all look the same".

When did I say I wasnt a racist? Im pointing out that some of you have racist qualities. If you want to call me a racist based on my beliefs then go ahead, I wont argue about that.

Jewbacca is a funny name, chewbacca from star wars. The fact I dont like Jews from my own personal experiences acctually has nothing to do with the name.

Ive seen countless threads on this site in the past where you guys complain about illegal immigrants, mexicans stealing jobs, not speaking english, etc. Those same things piss me off too. And Im the only "racist"?

You are the only one wearing it like a badge of Honor. If people dislike Illegals taking jobs and taking free medical care...well there is a cure for that ...send them back...it HAS Nothing to do with being Racist. It has everything to do with being Illegal...as in here Illegally. Again PLEASE understand what you are talking about PRIOR to exposing us to your garble...

Oh, Im not just talking about illegals, I dont like mexicans in general.

And many people consider the effort to stop illegals and deport them racist. They think its a race thing, but it is a legal thing

Yes They are called the Klu Klux Klan ( read the news)

Let's play a game.....come up with ONE original thought of your OWN...not something you were told....and I will continue this discussion.

And I dont dislike them just because there mexican, its easy enough for them to become a legal citizen and steal jobs, medicare, public schooling, etc. That and they think we should adapt to their culture, press one for english, se hablo espanol, etc    

And you have nothing bad to say about any race?  Its not like your either a racist or your not a racist....you can be in between

I have plenty to say....I choose not to make a public Spectacle of it....But I will start with White people....Stupid White Kids like yourself that find it amusing to post controversial thoughts in order to get attention....I am gonna guess here but I am willing to bet you are 6 months removed from lowriders and and your hat Sideways...thinking you grew up on the streets.....acting cool at the Mall??

You really hit the nail right on the head there

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I'm not racist I hate everyone. LOL

Jewbacca is a confused male. It's not sao bad that you dress like a thug and then throw your gang sign gesture.
The root problem starts w/ parenting. Our children search for love and they generally find it at a young age through their vidoe games and movies because parent are letting those things raise their children. When the kid hits his teenage years he/she thinks they have it all figured out and then hang out w/ others who think the way they do......(" The blind leading the Blind").
Approx: 1/8 kids actually reallize that they were wrong before its to late and they have a criminal record and worst of all have a young girl banged up w/ a kid if not kids and then have to struggle for 18 years to raise a them which 1/2 of them never stick around to finish being a man in what they started......
W/ out rambling to much more here is my closing remarks, God created us in his image and then sent his Son to die on the cross for
OUR sins. Its unfortunate but if you watch the news at all you can plainly see that the entire world is in a downword spiral and as Americans we should be joined together in Unity  and not trying to divide....... See ya!!!!!!!!!!!

This is one of the most entertaining threads in a long time.

Hey, anyone know the real story behind the flag? (Hint....It certainly isn't called the "rebel" flag)

Another hint......The flag everyone is referring to is not the actual confederate flag nor the "stars and bars".

Here's a bonus question... Anyone know what the civil war was about? (Hint......slavery was only a small part.)

You mean it was not made up by Novelty T-shirt Company?

Its the Battle Flag isn't it???

The orginal flag flown by confederate forces was the "Bonnie Blue". Essentially, this flag was blue with a single star in the center said to reference the removal of any one state's star from the union.  (The Bonnie Blue originates from the wars of 1810 when Floridian Dragoons took over Baton Rouge and imprisoned it's governer...but that another story).

The actual confederate flag was the "stars and bars" which had three stripes red-white-red and a blue square at the top mast with originally seven stars and eventually 13 representing the 11 states of the confederacy plus Missouri and Kentucky. (Missouri and Kentucky attempted to succeed but never made it.)

The flag everyone associates with the south is the original battle flag of the army of Virginia. This flag contains the cross of St. Andrew (the apostle who was martyred by being crucified on an X-shaped cross), and is commonly called the "Southern Cross." Much of the population in the South was of Scottish and Scotch-Irish decent. St. Andrew was/is the patron saint of Scotland. Robert E. Lee fought under this flag.

In the end, the flag of the confederacy included the southern cross at the top mast 1/4 with a white back ground and a verticle red stripe a the open end of the flag. Think shrinking the southern cross to the area that is the stars in the american flag, then making the striped area all white with a verticle red stripe at the very edge.

hey thats a crosby steeles and nash song. ;D

didn't it have something to do with cotton plantations and slavery?

Slavery was actually what caused the civil war to start on the particular night it started. There was discussion about wether or not slavery should be permitted in the western territories..

I was hoping someone would come through w/ some real educatinal value concerning the flag.
Thanks.....
As for the original question of the post, for the right to be able to purchase this License plate one should be required to pass a 15 or 20 question exam on the history of the flag. This would get rid of the uneducated following that generally prevails when trying to keep up w/ the new trends....... ;D

In a round about way....yes. The population in the north was growing at an exponential pace compared to that of the South. In addition, the North relied upon the south to support it's textile industry with raw materials. The South had very little say or influence in the newly formed centralized federal government which was now taxing the South, attempting to mandate the manner in which the South did business and how it governed itself on a state by state basis.

Don't forget, the South was made up more of recent immigration to North America than the North. The majority of the South's population came here to avoid an overburdensome rule by a centralized federal government/ruler. The Southern population saw the overreaching northern federal government as a continuation of the oppression they faced in Europe. Basically, the North favored a loose interpretation of the United States Constitution. They wanted to grant the federal government increased powers. The South wanted to reserve all undefined powers to the individual states.

The North also wanted internal improvements designed to primarily assist the north, sponsored by the federal government. This was more roads, railroads,
and canals. The South, on the other hand, did not want these projects to be done at all if they only helped the North. Also the North wanted to develop a tariff. With a high tariff, it protected the Northern manufacturer. It was bad for the South because a high tariff would not let the south trade its cotton for foreign goods. The North also wanted a different banking and currency system and federal subsidies for shipping and internal improvements primarily aimed at benefitting Northern interests. The South felt these were discriminatory and that they favored Northern commercial interests.

Concerning slavery, it was definitely an issue and a heated one at that. However, the majority of the South was made up of people who were too poor to own slaves. Granted, the cotton industry was born on the backs of slaves but, the majority of the Southern slave owners realized slavery was on its way out by virtue of ongoing technological developments in agriculture. What's ironic is that many of the Northern industrialists had vast holdings in the expanding west, primarily in timber. Originally most of the harvesting was done via slavery. However, once technology caught up, these former (now extremely wealthy and empowered) northern slave owners jumped onto the emancipation band wagon. Obviously, the south saw this as but another slap in the face by hippocritical northern industrialists.

This is getting good.

Economics and the law might be my educational background. However, American history (primarily the Civil War) is my passion.

I could not agree with you more...ask half of the people you see with confederate flags on their shirts, hats, cars & trucks etc....they don't even know the flag came about during the civil war, let alone what it stands for.

To many people associate the confederate flag with slavery and racisim...and that really pisses me off! That is not what the confederate flag is about.

Not to mention the fact that as anoriginal stated this is not even the 1st confederate that was inducted. (the one being spoken about)

I can't say its my passion but after to many people I knew (key word knew) associated the confederate flag as a "racist" thing I chose to learn as much as I could about it, so that people would be educated on it instead of make an ass of themselves.

To me, it's one of the saddest, yet influential and creative periods in American history. The conviction of both sides was amazing. It makes me wonder just how much we could accomplish today if people still had that type of conviction and willingness to devote to making this country even better.

You're just to ignorant to understand that identifying a problem in our country such as illegal immigration and lack of enforcement for a single language within our borders is not racism. racism is one hating an entire race for no reason other than the race or ethnicity. If someone posts that they hate people that don't speak English in America it isn't racist at all. If someone posts they hate illegal immigration that's not racist at all. For someone to say they hate the Rebel flag just shows their ignorance and predudice. and to say you hate an entire religion is not only prejudice it's down right stupid.

As opposed to remaining lax in almost every venue except ones that directly benefit ones self serving needs. We're basically a society on coast. we're still reaping the benefits of our founding fathers and doing very little in contrast to our abilities. People today (for the most part) fail to earn or deserve respect due to their laziness and greed. You're right, if the citizens in our nation decided to better our country instead of laying around trying to soak the system dry we'd all be much better off. And all the while the lazy ones and the ones unwilling to lift a finger are usually the ones b!tching about what's wrong with the country not realizing how much they contribute to the problem.
Anoriginal - you're a smart guy, I don't care what these people here tell me  ;) I can't wait til we get to debate on opposite sides of an issue again  8)

Cain

i remember in junior high my sociology teacher compared our priorites to that of japan and it went something like:

america- family, job, country

japan- country, job, family

Cain:

Thanks for the compliment. I always appreciate and respect a good debate. It's a mental exercise that should be enjoyed.

I totally agree with your comments. I for one get tired of supporting the lazy and listening to them complain.


~ Matt

Wow, very comprehensive explanation. I would've just said commerce mostly and left it at that. Oh and did'nt it have something to do with the French and the Mississippi River hmmm?

That is the whole reason behind my postings, People dont know what it really stands for. All they see it as being a redneck flag, the rebel flag, where it or put it on your truck and your cool.  

The racism argument came after that, the flag isnt about race although some people view it as that. Some people waive the flag in spite of blacks, mexicans, etc  

and if anyone thought that was really a picture of me then your an idiot

Do you actually have a mouth on both sides of your face?

Do you not understand the reason behind that comment?

ello ebree body, me name es Carlitos Gomes n want to no wer I find de rebel flag for me astro van. Me like to put a rebel tag next to my mexican flag becus i love america and me n my lady are from de south to.

You crack me up  :T

I understand that in one post you come off as a racist jackazz & in the other you poke fun at people just like yourself. So which is it? Oh yeah, since the original post asked if you would get one, why or why not? You have only insulted rednecks, mexicans, cubans & puerto ricans, not answered the post question yet?

You all have such an easy solution. LEts just send all the illegal immigrants back home. I;m sure if you snap you fingers and wiggle your ears it'll happen overnight.

What happends to our Orange groves? Construction? Manufacturing? Etc? Even white trash wont do some jobs. Thats why God made certain people.

Just to smooth the topic up a little, last year I was at the "SWAMP GABAGE" in Palmdale and I saw the most beautiful thing .... A white lifted Dodge with a rebel flag on the front bumper, two rebel stickers on the back window and a huge rebel flag on a pole on the corner of the truck's bed. The best part - 3 Mexicans were driving and 5 were in the bed.  Gotta love that one.  I have the picture somewhere if I find it I will post it.  

OK .... Continue to argue !   :box.gif

This is so funny to see people piss there pants over all this stuff. It's great entertainment.

No, I would not buy one. Im sure pretty soon their will be more redneck tags then regular ones

Its not so much that I oppose the confederate flag, more that people should fly the American flag. It seems the people that have the confederate flag on their shirts, hats, trucks, etc are trying to promote an image of themselves more than anything else. That image being - Im a redneck with a 4wd truck, yeehaw. You cant argue that alot of people fly it for that reason. Thats why it pisses me off

I tend not to like mexicans because of their disrespect to the country. I hear them all the time saying things like "stupid Americans" yeah, you know that pisses you off too. They can just leave if they dont like it. They steal jobs, overcrowed Florida, medicare, schooling, etc... Jews, I got carried away a little with that one, I was trying to make a point that I dont care if you call me a racist. I really dont have a problem with them. I dont judge people untill I get to know them, but in generall I find that most spanish people are all the same.

Your all going crazy because Im expressing my views a little too openly. You can probably relate to some of things Ive said, you probably wont admit it though. I know you all have said bad things about other races, your not all saints. "damn beaner cut me off in traffic"

If you stop switching things around that I said - I think you will find that theres alot we all agree on

Oh so the orange groves will just rott, construction will come to a hault, etc ? Theres plenty of willing Americans to do these jobs. Look at the unemployment rate, they just cant compete with the $1 a day mexicans that people take advantage of.

hardbody - Ive been trying to get ahold of you about your truck. Whats the deal?

It's $1200 or best offer. I've talked to you about it. Hope to meet up with you at mudfest.

It's called inflation. Look at what happend when the ditch-digging(literally) mexicans got exported from the largest Construction company in Colorado.

Not to sound rude but I dont think you know enough about this subject to debate

Inflation is when the price of goods and services goes up, but the worth of the dollar stays the same. Companys pay illegals less because they dont have the paperwork to work anywhere else. If there werent illegals then companys would have to give the American workers a fair pay. That would be giving jobs to uneducated Americans, but in turn raising the price of construction, crops, etc

Do you even know the name of "the largest construction company in Colorado"? Or was it something you overherd your parents talking about at the dinner table?

No Sh^t. When the $4 an hour mexicans got exported, the colorado based company lost hundereds of employees. Not a single other person came for the jobs offered at those rates. The company was forced to raise the hourly rate to $11+ an hour for a DITCH DIGGER! Look it up on google if you dont believe me. I've already goten in an argue ment on this stupid ass subject.

What happends when your company's revinue revolves around the low pay you give your immigrant employees and then you change all that by hundereds of thousands of dollars a year by having to pay more for others to do the same work? You may say, "Oh, it's in Colorado, it doesnt affect us" but if you do what you suggest and remove all of the low payed workers form our florida or american jobs then you will get inflation from businesses being forced to pay employees more to do the same amount of work. They have to compansate for those losses and that compensation translates to increased cost of product which in turn hurts YOUR pocket.

Just think about it...How much would it take for YOU to go pick oranges all day in a field? What would you demand for pay?

I'm just arguing the thing somebody said about "I say we just remove all the immigrant out of america"

But trust me, if CURRENT America could operate without mindless non-english speaking immigrants, then it would be a better world for all of us.

Companies will adapt, if it costs the consumer more then that is the price we pay to respect the law. If you want to work in this country then do it legally.

"DITCH DIGGER!" you speak of it as such a lowly job not fit for an American. Thats hard manual labor and deserves $11 an hour

u sellin that nissan for 1200 :o

Hopefully to me this saturday

man r u crazy u could git 4-5g for that thing ive gotta freind that would prolly give yu twice that rite now n he aint even lookin for a truck is it still lifted

thats what I thought

is it still lifted

Anoriginal, you are right! The reason the Battle flag was designed was because it was too much like the Northern battle flag. It was confusing and we needed something to distingush our troops clearly from far away. That flag became the symbol for unity in the South against the Northern aggression.
I will own one if they are approved. I love people and my country. How can ANYONE say THAT flag cannot be flown/displayed when ANY other flag can? A Cuban flag is communist and it is ALL over.
Why is it that the battle flag of my forefathers is now considered a racist symbol? The North had slaves. George Washington had slaves. So did other presidents from the North.
Jewbacca, you are right in some ways. I can only hope that picture of you was a joke.
I will own one and display it proudly.
and all you crying of no place to ride... Thank a Yank
 :'(

Anoriginal, that had to be one of the best cliff-note summaries I have ever read.  It was wonderfully written, thank you for the explanation.

And also, Jewbacca, I understand what your saying, It is very hard to distinguish between jokes, sarcasm, or passion in forums.  Which might lead to how this discussion over a license plate has gone in so many directions.

Loopy:

You know, it does kind of read like a Cliff Note. Guess I should call it a "Matt Note".   ;)

Many don't even know that Florida was one of the first state to want to secceed(sp?) from the North. Many also have no clue that our own state flag has the cross of St. Peter in it like the Confederate battle flag.

At this rate, this post will pass the Rally post. Whats more important?

I lost interest in this post after reading the original post  ;D.

Sure ya did.

Who (besides Anoriginal) knows where the term "greenbacks" came from and why it was used (also occurred in the deep South during this period) ?

oh yeah, all those people getting all upset and arguing. You just sit back and laugh

Oooooohhhhh, that's a good one!

Greenback as in US Demand Note - another term for Dollar?

The eurotrash banks had the US by the little hairs financially. Honest Abe printed 450 million bills of government legal tender in green ink & paid his soldiers with them to help win the war & lose the dependence of euro banks. Hence the term greenbacks. Thats all I got.

Actually, gold and silver were the norm in trade. There were different types of promisory notes, but the gov't only paid out in gold/silver. That was the law. Then when the South had finally had enough of the BS the North was trying force on us, the Civil war broke out and it was expensive. Gold began to dwindle in the reserves due to citzens hoarding it.
Sorry to quote, but "On February 25, 1862, Congress passed the first Legal Tender Act, which authorized the printing of $150 million in Treasury notes. The bills were printed on only one side with green ink and soon became known as "greenbacks".
Abe Lincoln was just in office as President.

The beginnings of many words are obscure, but we know exactly when greenback entered the vocabulary of American English. It was in the Civil War year of 1862, after a year of fighting had made it clear to officials in Washington that there would be no quick victory and vast additional resources would be needed. Paper money was already in circulation, issued by state banks, but the federal government had restricted itself to coins, and coins were fast disappearing under the pressures of war. On February 25, therefore, for the first time in history, the United States Congress approved the issue of paper money backed not with gold or silver but simply with the full faith and credit of the government, and valid for all debts, public and private (except duties on imports and interest on the public debt).

But why greenback? Because of a precaution against the common practices of altering and counterfeiting paper money. To prevent these, a patented ink had been devised that was difficult to erase and also difficult to imitate because it had a secret formula. Being green instead of the usual black, it was also difficult to photograph. The Secretary of the Treasury ordered this special ink to be used for one side of the new notes. Because of the distinctive color on the back of the notes, the Union soldiers who received them in pay began calling them greenbacks, and soon everyone else called them greenbacks too. The blue or gray Confederate money similarly became known as bluebacks and graybacks.

From that time to the present, all U.S. paper money has had a green back, making green the color of money. So we have coined terms like green itself meaning "money" (1898), green handshake (1975), "a bribe or tip," and Greenmail (1983), a play on blackmail. In recent years, green has also been used for a quite different purpose: to describe those who have concern for the natural environment (1971), but the connection of green with money will remain as long as the green stuff (1887) is in circulation.


yeah i wrote that myself. ;D

Great job Gery   ;)

although paper money was already in use there was a HUGE problem with counterfitting sepecially in the South. Although they were together in the fight against the North, initially they all had seperate laws and currency. during the time of the war people were making their own left and right and passing it off which further devestated an already troubled economy. But with so much going toward the war effort counterfitting was not only a way to prosperity, but to survival for some. And with all the different paper money that was floating around due to the seperate, yet linked economies of the South it was all too easy to make some up and say it was from another Southern state and get away with it. Eventually the green color was added to distinguish counterfit money from the real thing. This was initially done in the South in an attempt to thwart counterfitting and hopefully stabilize the economy. With the old varied color paper money still lingering, people sought the green die as assurance that the notes were legit. And with the green color making its debut on the back of the bills the name "greenbacks" was used and stuck.

Anoriginal - sorry I excluded you, but in light of your earlier posts and in depth knowledge I wanted to give someone else a crack at it.

No problem man! I enjoyed the post and the responses. That was a good question and good info for everyone. Something I hadn't thought about in a while.

As an aside, "Greenbacks" also refers to an early political party and was a spin off from the Independant Party. This is the party that, after the civil war championed the federal government's control over money along with the eight hour work day, income taxes and women's sufferage. The Greenbacks were really only around as a political party in the 1870's as I seem to recall.

Well excuse us Mr. Smartypants.

They were only printed on one side.

Why do I have the feeling we are all gonna get a homework assignment for the weekend  2:L?

Thanks for that! I had totally forgotten that the term was associated with the political party and helped establish some of what we now see as standards.

The greenbacks were only printed on one side, however there were so many different varieties of currency floating around from state to state the die was the discriminating factor. Each state had it's own currency initially so one could manufacture his own bill and cross a border and use it quite readily, or simply make a bill and claim it was issued by a neighboring state. Also with so much of the South's economic means being directed to the war (basically all of it) there was little put into the perfection of printing. This enabled many to get away with counterfitting due to the poor quality of the legitimate currency. Which is why the advent of the greenback had such a profound impact and began the unification of the Southern economy, and the idea of green dyed money was adopted by the nation as a whole at a later date.

good lord, google has got to be busy with these searches for you guys.

Actually, my posts are from memory of some old American History classes I took before getting my major nailed down in college  8)

OK the next Civil war era trivia.....  Who were the "Copperheads" ? and what was their position before the war ? and what was the official name of their political party ?

Able:

Another great question.

I won't answer entirely other than to say that they were originally part of a currently popular party, were suprisingly sympathetic to the confederacy and often referred to as the butternuts

Thanks for not blowing it out of the water as you obviously could. Great hint and additional information.

Florida is a confederate state.even though lincoln decided to ignore the constitutional right to secede it still happened and florida never rejoined the union.This is a confederate state and the flag belongs over the capital.I fly one in my yard,will buy the tag and if it bthers you then you need a history lesson or directions to i-95 north.We are currently living under northern occupation in the confederacy.The tag is great.About time.No matter how many carpet baggers we have pestering us ,we  are still here.

Long live the Confederacy!!!

Yes i would buy one as my rear window is tinted with flag and my atv's have them too. Having the confederate flag is part of my heritage and i am PROUD of it.Just as i am PROUD to be an AMERICAN.

   I am a yankee transplant. It took me a long time, but I finally totally embraced the South and all it stands for. It took a long time not because I didn't agree with what ya'll say, but because I grew up living a different philosophy. However, that philosophy also dictated that I not be a hypocrit, hence the change in attitude.

   My epiphany came when I contemplated dog hunting. Where I lived, a dog that ran deer was shot. However, being a farmer's daughter, I knew all about people moving into an area, then trying to tell those who lived there first how to live, what they should do, how they should do it, etc. I felt I didn't have the right to tell folks who have been hunting with dogs all their lives, nay for generations, they shouldn't hunt dogs anymore, just because my upbringing didn't agree with it.

   Here I am now, fighting for the rights of everyone to have access to their public lands. I would fight for the Southern way of life right now as well. The Confederate Flag does not stand for slavery, it stands for anyone who has ever been told by his neighbors how he should live, what his property should look like, that they can't walk out their front door in their underwear, scratch their privates and drink their beer at 9:00 am! (I don't want to see 75% of you guys do that myself, but if I don't want to see it, I don't have to look OR live near you!)

   Just my thoughts..... ???

I'm all for the confederate flag! I'm not racist, I have friends of all races and they understand that I represent the confederate flag with pride and they take no offence to it. If someone does take offence to it they could kiss my butt because they must not know me or what I'm about. They also must not know the several things a rebel flag represents. In my opinion if anyone can have a tag of their heritage so can we. I will buy a confederate flag liscence plate in a heart beat!

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