ATV Florida Forum

 :o WOW THAT BLEW ME AWAY!!! WE HAVE BEEN GOING THERE AS A FAMILY AND CAMPING SINCE DAY ONE, AND HAVE BEEN HAPPY TO PAY 15 PER AND 15 EXTRA PER TO CAMP, TWO DAYS OF FUN. I WENT DOWN SAT TO MEET UP WITH ZIN (WHO I COULD NOT FIND) AND ONLY HAD 28.00 ON ME, WHICH WAS PLENTY BEFORE. NOW THE LADY TELLS ME I HAVE TO GIVE HER MY 28.00 AND MY DRIVERS LICENCE UNTILL I GIVE HER TWO MORE DOLLARS. I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF SUCH!!! I WILL NOT GO BACK!! SHE SAID THEY WERE NOT MAKING ENOUGH MONEY BEFORE AND HAD SPENT ALOT FOR US, HOW MUCH DOES MUD COST? LET'S DO THE MATH......
I WOULD HAVE TO GUESS 7500 PEOPLE CAME AND WENT SATURDAY 7500 X 30.00= 225,000.00 FOR ONE DAY, NOT INCLUDING SUNDAY. IF THERE IS 20 ACRES OF MUD TO PLAY IN THAT EQUALS 11,250.00 PER ACRE' PER DAY TO RENT US MUD!!! DONT GET ME WRONG I AM THANKFULL FOR SOMEONE OPENING THIER LAND TO US AND 15.00 OR EVEN 20.00 IS MORE THAN A FAIR PRICE TO PAY FOR A DAY OF RIDING, BUT TO DOUBLE THE PRICE TRYING TO CAPITALIZE ON ATVERS THAT ENJOY MUD AND HAVE LIMMITED SPOTS TO RIDE IS IN MY OPINION WRONG. THANK YOU FOR THE GOOD TIMES IN THE PAST MSG, BUT YOU WILL NOT GET 120.00 FOR ME AND MY FAMILY TO PLAY IN YOUR MUD FOR ONE DAY!!!

I was out there Sat from about 10:30am until about 6:30 or 7pm and It didnt seem as though there were any more then 2000+/- out there all day......I think they  may have shot themselves in the foot when they raised the price,I was also wondering what the price of mud was going for these days too,also found alot of areas fenced off that wasnt before,so lets see here,they raised the price,and took away riding area......I'm not saying anything.......I'm just sayin'

Underhills/714/Bamboo fest is about 45-60 mins closer to me and 20.00 cheaper......Want to take a guess where i'm going?

I'm not saying anything.......I'm just sayin'  

LOVEDOC's are the best

I would rather give my $$ to the Underhills also.

Was wondering if anyone would pick up on that line,yeah I stole it from Dr Rich

4X , YES YOU MAY BE RIGHT, BUT IF YOU WATCHED THE GATE YOU WOULD HAVE NOTICED A STEADY STREAM OF PEOPLE COMING AND GOING ALL DAY...ALL OF THEM PAYING TO GET IN! LETS ASSUME ONLY 5000 PAID ALL DAY SAT AND SAT NITE, THAT STILL AMOUNTS TO 150,000.00 FOR ONE DAY NOT A BAD INTAKE FOR ONE DAYS WORK (GOUGE). WHAT IF THIS HAPPEND...5000 X 20.00=100,000.00 FOR ONE DAY, AND MORE PALLETABLE THAN 30.00. LETS FACE IT AT 20.00 PER PERSON THEY WOULD STILL MAKE 100K PER DAY, I THINK IT WILL KEEP THEM OUT OF POVERTY. :-X MAYBY THEY THINK THEY ARE SELLING GAS!!!

I figure it was about $1 per nipple I saw!
$30 is too much. I won't be going back and niether will my 6 friends and families that went.
mudmaster, you said you were tired of being ripped off before by those that paid for Sat and then stayed all weekend. I kind of feel the same way now. I must first say that nobody MADE me go and pay $30. And I had a good time.
I KNOW for a fact I was ripped off the last time on Sunday when I was charged $25 when all of the flyers said $15 on Sunday. DAC was long gone.
So when I left this Sat night, I thought it was bad biz.
A pig gets fat; a hog gets slaughtered.

Stolen....wow imagine that we agree on something,lol........so you saw 30 nipps huh,I must have been in the wrong place at the wrong time all day.......I need to head to the dollar store and get me some beads!!!

i agree  $30.00 to play in a mud hole !!!!!! you can go to HOLLEY LAND and do that for free!!!!  if they would really make it a ATV park with trails to ride on and mud pits it might be worth it. but to close off the back area and you can only ride in the mud pit that just boring to me. there is just so much MUDDING you can do riding in the same pit! and for $30.00 they can shove there mud pit up the @ss.  ICROSS better take note of atvers needs. or they will be out of the MUDDING business soon!!!!!!!! >:(

I also agree...i had a blast this weekend but it wasn't worth $30.

I don't know how long it will be open either.  I witnessed (and helped) a kid that fell out of a truck with a drunk driver and ended up breaking his neck and was airlifted to st mary's in wpb.

And on the way to our camp (the kid was at our camp being treated), the paramedics stopped to help ANOTHER person who fell off a buggy and broke his collarbone.

One underage girl had alcohol poisoning and i heard some nasty rumors about taking advantage of drunk women out there.

I had a great time though in the mud and all, but by Sunday, 4-wheelers couldn't go through everything.  It seemed like everytime we would find a mud hole, it would take 20 minutes before all the trucks came and ripped it up so that we couldn't go through it anymore.

There were two pits that should have been designated FOURWHEELER only pits but nope.

And the dust was way too much man....and one lane entrance/exit is RIDICULOUS.  It took me 15 minutes to get out saturday to go get some diesel.  And then when leaving today, I was driving the trailer out and this lady just stops in the middle of hte gate and doesn't get out of her car or anything.  I keep driving and stop about 30ft in front of her and wave her through.  The guy at the gate bangs on my window yelling at me "BAKC THE f**k UP AND LET HER IN".  I was like "DUUUDE, i just waved her through for hte past 100ft...if she's gonna stop in the middle of the f**k**g gate, then she can back up and let me out!"

grrr that aggrevates me.

anyways, i'll probably goto underhills next time for $10 and more land without crazy assholes doing 45-50mph on 2-strokes in the parking area or the holey lands for FREE, or maybe river ranch with some new friends i met.

yep, that place is done, wait unitil the county gets involed for under age drinking, rape charges. then the TREE HUGGERS for land damage. not to forget the lawers, that will try to get some $$$$$$$$$  some one has to pay for that chopper ride the the hospitail and all the other med bills.  ICROSS put up your sign.  LAND  FORSALE!!!!!!!!!!!!  

Ya, if they would have spent that money on some real police officers rather than the rent-a-cops that were roaming around, maybe the underage drinking could have been stopped.  I dont thinK I had ONE cop ask me for ID or ask anyone else for ID and i saw some people that were REALLY REALLY young!

WOW I WAS NOT AWARE OF SOMEONE GETTING HURT, I HOPE THE KID MAKES IT W/O BEING PARALIZED. THE UNDERAGE DRINKING WAS WAY OUT OF HAND LONG BEFORE THIS WEEKEND, 30.00 OR FREE THE MINORS DRINKING HAS TO STOP!!

Swamp_donkey..........you opened up some can of worms here.....lol

4X, THAT WAS NOT MY INTENTION!!! I ONLY WISHED TO SHARE MY OPINION ON WHAT USED TO BE A GREAT PLACE TO TAKE THE FAMILY AND YOUR FRIENDS. IT IS NO LONGER A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO RIDE, ITS A PARTY THAT HAS GOTTEN OUT OF HAND, IT REMINDS ME OF THE 12 HOURS OF SEBRING INTHE GREEN PARK AREA. NO I CANT SAY THAT, SEBRING IS A FIVE DAY RACE EVENT THAT IS UNDER PRICED FOR WHAT YOU GET!!! NO COMPARISON ....SORRY!

Nothing is perfect. I hope they aren't held responsible for drunken behavior. People must take responsiblity for themselves. (Hmmm... I have to modify this because I am on the fence. Underage drinking, freely being ignored is unacceptable. Something/somebody has to control this. What/who it is, I don't know?)
I don't wish ill will towards lcross. I am glad they provide a place to ride. I do see they did a lot of work in one month. They are good people and deserve to be talked about as such.
$30 is to much for one day. Thats all I'm sayin'

and thats all im saying too.  There is always going to be accidents and mis-haps, no matter what you're doing.  

I had a blast this weekend and I loved being there and I met a bunch of new people, but $30 is a bit steep.  I ended up spending close to $200 this weekend between gas/diesel, groceries, and entry...and taht was just for me (well, me and one other person  :-/ )

It's a bit expensive when I could be at underhills, which is much bigger, for a third the price.

First off by 4pm Sat the mud throughout the place is virtuallu impassable to ATVs, due to the trucks, but they have to have their fun too.

Second the under age drinking... My friends had their whiskey confiscated at the gate because the could not produce ID to prove they were over 21 (17 & 20 y/o). That was good on the Park's part.

As far asthe $30, which this debate seems to go on and on. Is it worth it??? Yes, overall we had a good time. We were VERY dissappointed the mud bogg event was canceled. The "new improved" mud pit was dissapointing, there were not enough plae to get in and out at. It needs more water, that creates huge ruts and thick sticky muck because it dries out too fast.

As far as underage drinking. It happens at my camp. Yes at my camp. Not on the trails, I don't thick it is that big of a deal. We simply take the ATV keys away from the kids (17y/o+) and tell them they can not leave camp once they start drinking.  You cannot expect any park to be abl eto police underage drinkng 100%. It is too hard judge age nowadays. People, parents and freinds need to do a better job ob policing themselves and their families first, regardingthis subject.

The new raods were good. Although they mab be two laned for VW bugs they are not wide enough for two full sized trucks with trailers to pass with ease. The entrance gates (at the Hwy & mud pit) need to be wider to allow better and SAFER flow of two way traffic.

They (L-Cross) are relativly new at this game, and Mud Master is trying, I see him hustling around a lot out there, but I think his support staff needs to be a bit more effective. Security (enforce the speed limits), and the park staff, and gatekeepers all have room for improvment. I will be unable to attend  the next couple events, but I look forward to see the progress the event has made in a couple months.

Sorry for the long post.

hey grit, i agree with you.  it should be up to the parents to monitor children, but when 18 year olds are there with no supervision, then it becomes impossible.  the kid i saw was 18 and by himself with a group of friends (all trashed and driving around).

The kid driving the truck wasn't even reprimanded and he came out of the truck with a beer IN HAND to talk to the cop!!!

As for the roads, they're way too dusty and that sugar sand in the beginning is rough stuff.  When I came in with a double axle trailer, two bikes and a trailer load of pallets, i almost got stuck when i had to stop at the gate on my radials and a 2wd diesel.

I know mudmaster was trying hard and I gave him a thumbs up when i was leaving because i did have ALOT of fun.  I just think he needs to re-think the price.  He would have a much much better turn out.

Oh and let me tell you, wilburz will back me up on this: that SCAVENGER Hunt is the BIGGEST LIABILITY I HAVE EVER SEEN!!!  Sending off 13 bikes down a dirt road with rocks/shells mixed in to race down 1/2 a mile is ABSURD!!!  I got hit with so many rocks, I couldn't see CRAP, and if I would have decided to stop and bail, I would have gotten REEMED by another ATV that couldn't see either!

And the scavenger hunt was over before 90% of the bikes even got down to the place where it was hidden at.

Looks like they did alot of digging but I don't know why. They put a dike around the mudpit. wow! I do know some people found out the hard way when they tried to cross some of the ditches that were dug out and not posted with a sign. Almost 10 feet deep and full of water. Good way to ruin a truck or atv.
I think they should let people exit out of the original entrance that was closed and enter at the new gate. That makes sense to me.
All that money that was collected and they could not rent a damn water truck or two? Would have been real nice not to have to choke on that damn dust for two days. It was real bad.

when i got in my truck, i started crying because my eyes watered up so bad from the dust in my eyelids, and the two or three tears my eyes dropped were almost black!  I looked like i was wearing eyeliner!!

and the ditches are RIDICULOUS!!

Last month it was $25 for every person. It cost me $75 for me and my two kids. Ages 11 and 12. Cannot do that every month. Plus I drove 4-1/2 hours one way. Should have some family discounts or 15 and under free beings that most kids cannot get a job before they turn 16.

Glad we did not go, I have a hard time paying that much to play in a mud hole  >:(  The best part was being able to go out in the pastures and get away from all of the crazies, but with that closed down... not worth it.  I know its all about the "Event" to meet up with people and camp/party but come on 30.00 a head (no matter how old) to get in and it does not matter if you stay 3 days of 4 hours  [smiley=banghead.gif]

My $60.00 went to better use this weekend  [smiley=Approve.gif]

there needs to be a atv only weekend there! truck &buggies dont mix well with ATVS. and when there drinking allowed  there always going to be problems!!!  

Wow, drunk, underage girls to be taken advantage of? Count me in!

THATS NICE SHOTGUN. >:(

If you  want  ATV s  only  then  youd  have  to  pay  even  more  than  30.00!!!!! :o :o :o :o

Man, you guys need to lighten up.

It's kinda like the tv and the radio,if you dont like it turn the dial and go somewhere els .I had a good time on sat.I think they are trying to improve things! OUR constructive criticism and positive input can help them out!!This is one more place to ride that is legal.They  seem to  be making  along term commitment!So let's help them out with good ideas!!

I'm with ya all the way!   ;)

 ::) HEY I THANK EVERYONE SHOULD LOOSEN UP, IF YOU HAD THAT MUCH LAND AND INVITED WHO EVER AND WHAT EVER IT COST THATS YOUR PROBLEM,YOU SHOULD CALL AND FIND OUT WHAT IT COST BEFORE YOU DRIVE OUT THERE. ITS HIS PROPERTY AND HE CAN DO WHAT EVER HE WANTS...BUT I DO AGREE, I PAID THIRTY DOLLLARS THIS WEEKEND  AND THERE WAS LITTLE PROPERY  TO RIDE ON, LAST WEEKEND WE HAD MORE LAND TO RIDE ON AND THATS WHAT I EXSPECTED THIS GO AROUND BUT IT DIDN.T HAPPEN,HOPEFULLY THIS MESSAGE WILL GET OUT WITH POSSITIVE ATTUDUE IN STEAD OF THE NEGATIVE.DON'T DOWN MUDMASTER HE IS ONLY TRYING TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY GIVE IT TIME. THATS WHAT IM DOING..REMEMBER THERE IS LITTLE PLACES TO GO............  ???I RESPECT MUDDMASTER FOR EVEN GIVEN HIS PROPERTY TO US RIDERS.. 8)

Some of you need to lighten up! $30 for an entire weekend of riding and partying and live music ( not the best music but still!) is not bad! If you only go for one day and spend $30, I agree that seems a little steep but dont go if you cant stay all weekend then.

Hello everyone.
I would like to say in defence of L-Cross.
I understand some don't like the price changes.
But i can say this. for $30 for the weekend pass you get 24 hr. security and e.m.s.. You get live entertainment on Saturday nights , sometimes Friday night if enough people would come up and watch the show! Not to mention all the things involved in opening this place like insurance, State permitting,enviromental studies and permits!!!
Think  gas prices are high, How about what it cost to run and maintain equipment then build roads, rent port o pots, staff to run the place and advertisment cost. Think about how much we spend to give people a place to come out and have fun and meet new friends!!!
As far as the other riding areas, We had to close them for a short time to allow the grass to regrow from where people with no respect for the land had destroyed it during D.A.C.
We had an Atv rodeo which many did not take part. The ones who did enter said they had a blast. Of coarse this was our first one so there were some bugs. We are planning to do it again and start a ongoing title standings.
As for the beads for breast thing ... It will stop! Anyone caught by security will be told to leave!!! we will no longer give warnings. This is an familiy facility and we will not tolerate it any longer!  

And the issue of underage drinking we are trying to address.
But all everyone can do is complain. If you see underage drinking tell security. They are real cops!
Instead of complaining about everything, why dont those who are not happy here try to help make this the best atv and off road facility that it can be!!
And true_grit
Thanks for the help... You see I am trying...
I we going to finish the improvments to the roads and i will see what we can do about the other items, There will be some big improvements when you return.
"mud"

I have no problem paying the $30 dollars, (and im a broke college student)...i go for the weekend and have never had anything less than a BLAST!! More and more people are finding out about L-cross so of course there are more people to please. Keep up the good work MudMaster, myself and all the people that i ride with are lookin forward to many more great times at L-cross!

Mr. Mud

I would rather show my breasts for beer than beads anyways!

Even though you have no hot city water out dar to showir in and do not provide soap and shampoo I will be back.

P.S. How about a little more gravel at the washoff area for drainage and a couple of water trucks to cut down the dust.
Other than all of the things being said on this thread I think you are doing a great job. Keep up the good work.

Thanks guys....
I have some big plans for L-Cross and hope that Mr. pierce will allow me to bring them to everyone. The atv rodeo is going to lose an event or two but i will replace them with more. The mud pit race is coming soon i hope, and i found out about a sled for pulling. I would like to start a stats race for overall champions of the rodeo but i need more participants to get it going.
The entertainment for next month is going to be differant and eveyone should enjoy them. I can't say no more yet, but as soon as we get the ok i will post them here and on l-cross.com.
Thanks again guys...
"mud"

If you can ride all weekend for $30 it's sounds cheap to me. I've been to concerts where 4 beers cost $30.

No problem with the breasts, the problem is the morons haulin'a in the camping areas. More breasts less morons.

I have no problem with $30 for the weekend and I would say yes its not a bad price, but when I have two kids and would like them to go it cost me $90 just to get in. I cannot do that. Maybe there should be a price per quad or something. My daughter rides with me on my quad. My son rides his on.

$30 for a child is too much, I agree.

I liked it old school: Seperate place for atv's, one day price and a weekend price. 2 different color wristbands. then, controversy over

Children who are not old enough to drive atv's should be free

More boobies ;D

less drunken minors period! especially if they hurt themselves.

What is wrong with this picture?  This mudmaster that works there says that beads for breasts will stop.  Anyone caught will be made to leave with no warning.  Now on the underage drinking....they are going to "try to address it".  Wow, when was the last time anyone got hurt by seeing a breast?  Playing with beads is accepted behavior at all kinds of party spots, Mardi Gras, Key West, Yabor City, Daytona Bike Week, etc......, leave that alone unless it is hurting someone.  Seems like the popular opinion here is for it to continue.  As for underage drinking, that is an illeagle activity that can lead to injury or death.  Spend time cracking down on that.  If this place is meant to be a family place you cannot mix alcohol, mud and the general public.  Leave it up to the parents to decide if this place is for their kids or not.  I know I would not care at all if my kids happened to see a bare breast, but just all the chaos from the big trucks and little bikes makes me leave them home, it ain't the place when I am going out to have some brewskis and play in the mud.

Uh oh, there is talk of breasts on here...better delete the posts...

well atleast mudmaster is concerned about children thats a good thing.when children go to sleep show the boobs!!!!i'm just happy that we have another legal place to ride...everyone is always saying we need places to ride,,and don't mind paying if it's good or legal....now we have one,,and everybody is still complaining!!!!so what if he raised the price,,,he did that to cover the ever rising costs of a playground for all of us..if he didn't raise the price,,then we might have lost this place.....i'm sure as time goes on he will raise the price again to cover his costs,,but hopefully it will improve as time goes on..............JUST MY THOUGHTS PEOPLE....FREEDOM OF SPEECH..

 ::)MUDMASTER, CAN YOU PLEASE AND I STRESS IT PLEASE  PLEASE OPEN UP THE TRAIL RIDES SO SOME OF US CAN  RIDE AWAY FROM THE MUDD, IM NOT SAYING I DON'T LIKE THE MUDD BUT IT IS NICE TO TAKE A TRAIL RIDE IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN!! 8)

 Hi little_rednck_girl
Yes i will still do the trail rides... But i have to do them on Sundays due to other events going on. The rodeo takes alot of work and i hope that everyone will participate in the next one. It was alot of fun for me and the kids that entered had a great time. The events are not hard to do and it gives us wheelers something to compete in and be safe to have some fun.
I will see if i can do the first one sunday at 10 am we will see how many are interested.
Thanks
"mud"

I am going to be down there in a month or so and was looking forward to spending a weekend there with my brother. However , not allowing women to show thier cans is wickywack. How about if you had a seperate ,fenced off area , maybe towards the back, where breasts can be exposed. Like a champagne room type thing. I would be willing to pay at least 50 bucks for that. :)

Ok, I wasn't bashing on L-Cross. I just think $30 is a little steep when river ranch is $20 and the holey lands is free.  I do understand teh cost you have to cover and for a once a month thing, I'm more than willing to pay it for the party!! BUT, it does suck on families with little kids that have to pay for children.

My suggestions on things that need to be fixed:

-The scavenger hunt was a DANGEROUS joke.  You should the 'dew bottle' hidden (or exposed!) in some NASTY, THICK mud that you can either risk taking your quad through or crawl through yourself.  THis would make it fair, interesting, and FUN!!!  Not just an all out mad dash with dangerous machines doing in excess of 60mph with a visibility reaching JUST past your handlebars.

- The breasts were fine.  No big deal with people having some fun.  If you don't want your kids seeing it, cover their eyes or don't bring em.  sh*t, they see more in a PG-13 movie now a days!  What I DO find offensive is the guy that was riding around with a BLOW-UP DOLL on his rack.  That's pretty offensive and that would make me wonder as a child "Whats that doll naked and showing all that 'pink' for??"

- The underage drinking is almost impossible to control.  I hate to say it.  They DO need to crack down on people driving around and drinking though.  The guy who was driving in the accident I witnessed got OUT OF THE TRUCK with a BEER in his HAND.  He should have been ARRESTED and charged with DUI and attempted vehicular manslaughter!

- There needs to be a designated ATV mud pit.  We found one way in the back but it only took an hour or so before everyone with a crappy ass truck came runnin through it and souped it up.  Same thing happened with the pit around that "lake"...the samurai's took that over.  The trucks have that HUGE pit and us fourwheelers just cruise through there, but we can't always play where the trucks can (and vice versa), so DESIGNATE PITS for ATV use only :)

- The showers need pavement around them.  Nothin like gettin soaked, takin a shower, and then gettin dirt (mud) and shells in your feet to crawl back the tent lol

-  You need more than two hoses.  Or you need somoene to enforce a time limit on cleaning bikes.  This is just to RINSE your bike, not THOROUGHLY CLEAN IT.  Man, some people were taking 20-30 MINUTES cleaning their bikes!!!

- Your police officers should be wearing badges...makes people respect them a tad bit more.  Although, the guns seem to do it too.

-  If we're paying for EMS, why isn't there an ambulance on scene?? that poor kid i helped had to wait 30 minutes for an ambulance, and even then, it ended up helping someone else.  I don't know what else could be more serious than a broken neck other than maybe a heart attack or gunshot wound, but i guess i'll find out some day.

-  The speeding definetly needs to stop.  That would alleviate half your dust problem right there.  You know how many sport bikes would just rip off and kick up dust and dirt EVERYwhere??  Stiffer penalties for speeding.

other than that, its fine.  I don't complain much but im tryin to help you out along the way.

OH ONE MORE THING: YOU NEED AN EXIT AND an ENTRANCE!!!!

mudmaster: were you the guy in the big f-250 with the yellow accents?  if so, great truck!! I gave ya a big thumbs up on the way out on sunday :)

How can you complain about $30 and then say that they need to add pavement, and more horses, and add an entrance and an exit. All this stuff that you mention costs money.

The designated atv mudpit would definitley be sweet...but ill be there no matter what...

Ok, I hear all this talk about boobs or "scenery" for the guys but what's in it for us girls that want to see some "scenery?"  Haven't heard anything about the availability there. Anyone have any info for me?

I haven't been to MS&G yet.  My group has been talking about it for awhile and working on getting a group together.  One of these days I'll make it to one.

As for the drunks.  I agree that it's a shame that people don't take responsibility for themselves and get sloppy then act like morons.  As for the kids drinking it would be nice if parents would monitor their kids.  I think taking the keys and keeping them in camp is a good idea.  It sounds like there are however a bunch of kids that aren't w/ parents.  Scary thought.  Drunk kids w/ keys and no common sence.

Everyone likes having fun but the common thing here is that no one seems to like a moron.  I haven't been to the event yet but from what I've read it sounds like a great time.  

Mudman does have over head for these events that we never see, have to deal with, or know anything about.  He has alot of liability in opening his land for everyone else.  I'd like to take a moment and say thank you to him for being offroad friendly.

If he wants to make this more of a family thing I figure it's his property and he should have the kind of environment that he wants there.  If everyone else wants to see boobs there are plenty of other events where they are readily available as mentioned in another post here.  
Thank you mudman,
Lauren

Mudmaster,
               Thank You and the Pierce's for bustin your azz's providing me and my family a place to ride legally. As for the $30.00 entry, I take it as I have a month to plan for it. We can't make it every month due to life, but when we do we have a blast 100000 people strong or not. I say we all give em a big HELL YEAH. Keep up the good work and remember you and the Pierce's are only human.
 
What do you guys think about havin the bead/boob gimmick parade up and and down the main grade, that would probably slow all the speeders down ;D

UCF, I think there's another event they are forgettin about, how about the M.S.G. wet t-shirt contest. 18 and older of course. Anyway's, I hope I can make it to the May event my Grizz has been feeling deprieved.
Have a great day lady's and gentlemen. See you at the L-cross.

Anybody wants to seee my scenery is more than welcome.  Females preferred. :o

That ain't right! ;D

Hey bro when you gonna post some pics of AR fer us?

I said they should add some more hard surface around the shower.  Me and 5 guys could lay some concrete in a matter of few hours for less than $200.

I could make a new exit in 20 minutes with a bolt cutter and my bobcat.  Just move some fill and make level out a new road extension and cut about 15 ft of fence away.

i had my shirt off 1/2 hte time...not much scenery but i was trying :(

i had a few girls whistle at me and one flashed me.  Oh and another climbed into my truck when i was sleeping saturday night but her friend came and told her they had to leave :(

I mentioned before that they should use the old entrance as an exit. That might relieve some of the traffic stress.

That was not a chick in your rig. That was an old pole cat I caught and put dar!   ;)

I agree, $30 a head is a rip. I've only been twice, but the last time (DAC weekend) was a nightmare. I think my group stayed for 4 hours and 1 hour was spent entering and exiting. I would have liked to have spent more time but the place was mass confusion. I (and many others) never spend more than a day and $30 is too much for the area you have access to. Some in this tread mentioned the Underhills but I thought that riding there was finished? Lcross is making a fortune and I haven't seen alot of evidence that much is being put back in to this "facility" to improve it. Not that I blame them, the demand for this type of area is huge and there aren't many alternatives. So they are getting it while they can, just not from me anymore.

Honestly, I love MSG but if i was only staying for 1 day, i probably wouldnt pay the $30 dollars either.  I look forward to it every month and make sure i can at least stay 2 days. Staying for 1 day you cant really enjoy the party as much because you have to worry about the trek home that evening.

Shotgun...30.00 x 4 or 5000.......seems they should be able to afford a few bags of Sackrete......try 25 x 15,000 from DAC....and 15,000 is a low number,there were probably more people then that there,thats $375,000.....I dont think I'm complaing.just constructive criticism.......whats that saying,you can please some of the people some of the time,but you cant please all of the people all of the time.....or something like that......

SoFlaEiger - I agree with you completely!!

I've been a few times and last time was D.A.C. I brought first timers with me then. They will never return after that mess. I may not either! Specially at $30 dollars a head that makes it $120 for my family. We have 2 bikes.

If you're not making a profit at a net of nearly 2 million dollars a year ($30*5,000 people*12 months = 1.8 million). There is something seriously wrong. Okay even at 1 million a year. I still find that hard to believe.

All just my 2 Cents!

Mudmaster, pls keep us posted. I think there are some very valid constructive criticism in this post that, I’m sure may be difficult to take. Good Luck in your venture!

S

arkansas scenery

oh and also: you ban trikes from entering, yet you allow DIRT BIKES!?!?!  Whats up with that??  Dirt bikes are FAR more dangerous than trikes, can't do much in the mud, and are way more obnoxious!

MOST three wheelers can kick ass in the mud, so why ban them???

I think that MS&G should be for MUD machines...UTILITIES...not 2-strokes and sport bikes and dirt bikes.

Hi Everyone
Yes there is some good coments being made here and I dont take offence at most of it.
But when people dont have all the facts and figuers of what it takes to put these events on, The should not be to rushed to judgement.
Just today i found out more info for everyone, The front gate  has been widened and the road with it.
The underage drinking issue has been addressed. From here out everyone is responsible! If you see underage drinking, find someone working for l-cross and report it! If you have kids in your camp drinking, stop them. If you serve minors you too will be kicked out and your party!!! You must have your I.D. with you if you are drinking and look underage.WARNING: Underage drinking will no longer be tolerated!!!!!!
New prices are posted on l-cross.com and are very fair for the weekend passes.
We are continuing to bring you quality entertainment with a special treat for next event! details posted soon.
As always i am open to your coments and suggestions on how to make L-Cross a fun and enjoyable event.
"mud"

Hey lets start another thread complaining that we cant bring 4wheelers to Disney World...rules are rules...as crappy as they may be.

Hey ucf
Im Game for that thread!! :D
Why cant i bring my 2-stroke four wheel drive four wheeler to disney world???
Is micky afraid im a terrorist :P
Later
"mud"

Keep up the good job Mudmaster [smiley=ThumbsUp.gif]

Hey mudmaster.....still planning on banning beads????  

Decisions decisions......do I buy out every dollar store' stock of beads in Palm Beach County  or dont I?

Hey MudMaster,

   Last weekend was my FIRST M,S & G event.  I have a GREAT time.  Its some of the NASTIEST mud I've ever rode in.  It was AWESOME!!!  THe $30 price for me is no object, a ticket from riding in Bad Luck in Naples would be more than that.  My group will be back for the May event.

MuddFreak77

aka Carl

Hi Big_dog, 4xplay
Sorry to say we have to stop the nudity at L-Cross. Its gotten out of control and most parents dont want their kids seeing it. My own wife was asked repeatedly to show hers and those people who was asking her has ruined it for everyone. The owners were concerned as well because they realy want to make this a place for familiys and friends to come enjoy the outdoors.

Hey Muddfreak77
I'm glad you all evnjoyed the event. Next month we are having a very special musical guests. I cant say no more right now but... details are soon to come.
"mud"

Wait a minute. Are you saying your wife was repeatedly showing hers and that ruined it for everyone? I am so confused ??? I'm taking my money to T's :o

Maybe baby could show some back instead? Might not be as offensive?  :P

I find it ridiculous that every other country in the world does not have a problem with breasts but yet in this country for some reason there is such  a huge problem with it. forget about the violence and everything else.Or the fact that elementary and jr high kids are having hum job parties right under their parents nose.Wake up! 11,12,13 year old kids are not ignorant.No wonder the United states is the laughing stock of the world!

it is a breast, everybody has one. get over it

I say let those puppies breath.

What he said
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look you guys have place for that sh** take it else where !!!!   I have Very small children two under 11 year old and they don't need to be exposé to that everywhere they go one thing always turns into something else like the women wanting to see what the man has just because she showed hers .
Before you know it they will being trying to get always with other thing it bad enough trying to fine legal places to ride without people thinking it ok for  indecent exposure witch is illegal anywhere it just not enforced the way it should be!!
As for the underage drinking it not the people that own the place fault that teens are drinking if they are it due to someone letting them like there friends and family.
It's those people that let them and get it for them!!!!These people should be the one who stop it!!!! I am sure the owner and his staff are trying their best to take care of those kinds of things like any place you have work the bugs out as they come up!!!!
But with the way you are thinking this place may not be able to stay open long  at the last one I was there and people throw trash on the ground and ripped up his camping area and I also found out later that some cut open some other areas that was even suppose to be part of MS&G and rip it up. Who do you think has to  fix it he dose not you or your friends or even those who did it. I guess you don't think that kind of thing cost!!!As well as anything else that was done!!!

Come on guys, gimme a break. If they ban beads then you may actually have to talk to a female!! Forget the cheap flash, if you actually talk to a girl then hey maybe she will invite you back to her tent for some real action...and that makes for WAY better stories to tell your buddies.

Screw the puppies. Let the big dogs eat!

Breasts are natural parts of life.  I agree with DeadMullet, Americans are too uptight about bare breasts.  The beads for flashing breasts has become a pretty standard practice at most major party type events all across country.  If l-cross wants this place to stay crowded by making it a fun, party type place then leave it alone.  If they want to dwindle it down to a family atmosphere size group and do not mind losing the hundreds of thousands of dollars that the party crowd brings over the course of a year then they should stop it.  

10-4, it's all about mud anyway's. Sorry mom3 [smiley=Approve.gif]

Well said wilburzbro!

Anybody have the number for that nudist camp out there in Loxahatchee? How about a group ride out there? ???

hey, ive never been there but from what ive read msg is not the place to take your family. i dont want my kids around a bunch of drunk bastards on vehicles acting ruthless. it seems that someone gets hurt severely everytime. i'm sorry but i'd rather take the chance riding illegal where i know its safe than in an overcrowded mudhole full of drunks and "bada**es. i've seen this before and it usually aint pretty. i dont need no punk kid trying to pick a fight. again i've never been there. i'm going based on what i've read.

I agree with mom 3 you guys have places to go for that not right in front of everyone take to your tent guys!!!!
Besides I thought you went to play in the mud !!!!!!
That is not what L-Cross is about is for mudding getting drity
ridding something you can't ride on the streets !!!!!!!!!!

Mom3

AT the last show, "DAC", there were no garbage cans made available. That is why all the trash was there. If I have to pay to get in then they are getting my garbage in a can or on the ground.

Also there were about 30 x's the people that should have  been allowed in. That is why the place got ripped up. It was bursting from the seems by 10:00 am on Saturday. I think they figured with all the entry fees collected they could afford to pay someone to pick up the trash. They probably put it into a big pile and burned it too. Plus they had a month to do it.    

check this site : www.whahwhahwhah.com

Not too many of people on those party barge buggies getting muddy or even dirty for that matter. Atleast not from what I have seen. I also don't see alot of girls on atv's driving around collecting beads.  

They are trying to have a place where family can take the kids and ride and have fun and those people who think like that who turn it to something else.
This is a mud pit NOT a nuddie camp!!!
I think if that what you want then go to the nudist  camp and stay out of the mud!!!

last time i checked, atvs weren't safe for children under 16  ???

I think you guys need to chill out wtih teh bare breasts.  I seriously can't believe we're arguing about kids seeing breasts, something they see SEXUALLY on TV and in movies all the time.  Meanwhile, we have kids falling out of trucks and off buggies, getting alcohol poisoning, and people getting raped, and we're worried about kids seeing boobies.

::)

littering  Would you want someone doing it on your property and place of bissnes. I sure wouldn't even if I was paying someone to clean it. And to rip up his property like that just because you couldn't get in real smart if they could prove who did they Could be fined and you want to bi**hen about
30$.

its like going to the movies and paying $8.00 to watch amovie. if you think i'm carrying my trash and dumping it on the way out. forget it. my popcorn and soda is staying underneath my seat. hey, your working for my $ 8.00 i sure as hell had too.

oh ya and $50.00 for  acoke and a hot dog.

Great point SoFlaEiger, since ATV's are not made for under 16, and not safe for passengers, does not really make this the place for family time.  Leave the kiddies at home, 16 and up aint gonna be offended by no boobies!  mom3, check out Disney World.

mom3

I really hope that if you are trying to teach your kids something you should first start by teaching them that their mother has the worst grammer ever. It's very difficult to read someones posts when they leave out words and cant type.

Anyways

If you dont like the party LEAVE AND GO HOME! Some places just aren't for kids. Perhaps this is just another place to add to the list along with T***Y Bars, and Clubs.

listen. you guys are talking crap. my sons 14 and aint no way in hell i'm leaving him behind. i dont know if you guys have kids but vgimme a break. "no riding under 16" yea right. i'm sure you guys didnt get on one until you were 16. listen its afree country and you have a choice to go or not. if you dont want your children exposed to that type of behavior than dont go. but dont enforce your beliefs on everybody else. lets just keep whining!!!!!!

p.s. nobody talks about atv's anymore..............

Hellow haven't you been listening they are trying to make it for the family place why the h**l you think they let children in !!  da da
Then you got People that think like you all do and trying to turn it to what you want it to be !!da

I am personally appauled and offended by all the public intoxication, nuditation, urination, and defication that takes place at this god-forsaken place!  ;D

Someone has to take care of Florida's mis-spent youth!

That place is a bargain if you just drop your kids off for the weekend!

Cheaper than paying a babysitter for 3 days. Plus they come home with some sort of ejimacation and mudbog smarts!

Git-er-Dun!      

LMAO!!! DON UR THE MAN!!!

I think it all boils down to the womens out there. If they wouldn't get all drunked up maybe they would keep thier shirts on. Is there a rule that states a women must show the cans when asked out there ? Seriously who in thier right mind exposes themselves for 25 cent beads anyway? As a side note would pasties be o.k.? :D

Never thought of it dat way.
Maybe theys just a wee-bit
tarded. ;D

The whole thing is some kinda oxymorron or sumpin.
If they outlaw beads then no taters, if they outlaw drunk females then no one shows up.   ;D

Think about it. If a female says show your junk I'll give you some beads you gonna do it. I am not. For a beer I might though. 2 beers if your a fatty!

14 is a good age for him to learn about the birds and the bees.  And consider that BREASTS have NOTHING to do with the birds OR the bees, it shouldn't be a problem.

sh*t mom, you have 4 posts on this site, and all four have been in this thread.  And you're ridiculing people who are devoted to riding and who post on this site on a DAILY basis.  SENIORITY deserves respect.  I wouldn't come into a forum and start bashing on people before anyone knows who you are.  And your grammar is probably worse than your 9 year olds.  I can't understand what you're saying!!  No offense, its the truth.

Now, as for exposing breasts, we need to call up Miami Dade county and tell them to cover up all the women on South Beach because that is a FREE place with no age restrictions!!  We also should ban women from wearing thongs on the beach because that shows an ass and a little pink sometimes and that IS sexual.  Some fatty tissue on a women's chest is nothing.  sh*t, discovery channel doesn't even blur it anymore LOL  of course they're saggy indian boobies with torpedo nipples, but whatever, it beats paying $4.95 for pay-per-view porn! LOL  Wilburz knows what im talkin about ;)  hehe

anyways, bottom line is, MS&G is in NO WAY a family oriented event.  If it was, there would be NO BEER/ALCOHOL and Children would be FREE or cheaper than adults.  The reason children DO cost so much is because they're trying to DETUR people from bringing children.

IT IS NOT A CHILD FRIENDLY ATMOSPHERE.  If you don't want your kids seeing that stuff, find a sitter.  You could ride River Ranch and the Holey Lands for free, and never see a soul if you didn't want to...and no fear of boobies out there!!!

EVERYBODY RUN!!! KILLER BOOBIES THAT BLIND CHILDREN!!

They're giving out beads for showing your junk now?? Gad damn, i've been ripped off for so many years   :-/

schoolkids don't count SoFlaEiger. Man I can't wait to get down there. Going commando!

if your kids are old enough to know what they are, then they have already seen them before!

"god damm right wing republican wacko's" - Dr. Rich

Seriously, I have only seen one set of yodas in like 4 trips to this joint. I don't see it as a serious issue.
On the other hand, I have seen young ladys actually wrestling in there bikinis in the mud, right in front of a large group of people.
Now if that is not a blatant disregard for L-Cross protocol I don't know what is. Ain't right.

You want to talk grammer when people are dis respecting other and themself !!!!!!

hey sofla and wiburz. you guys trip me out. i really think we have a commando soccer mom on our hands. i can imagine" no tv, playstation xbox, etc. " hey soccer mom i'm not jumping on the bandwagon but isolating your kids aint the way to do it. if its hot let him touch it. guarantee when they get burned they wont do it again.

Respect  Are you respecting these girl that your asking to expose themselves  are you respect those who do have there children out there let me answer that NO! as for my grammar oh well it not the worlds best. And I was not trying to bash  no one.

That would be anyone.

I think we are respecting them just fine by giving them an audience they abviously want. No body forced them to show off their boobies. Anytime i have seen a women flash she usually pulls her own shirt up(with a smile) :-*.

Why would you bring small children to an event that is overcrowded with people that you know are drinking and/or drunk, driving who know's what, who knows were. Call me crazy but a mud hole filled with a bunch of drunken "rednecks" driving homemade "buggies" through the mud as fast as they can hoping something doesnt fall off or break on these mad max creations doesnt sound like a "family" event to me.

And your worried about a couple sets of tators? Hell after reading that I dont even feel safe! ::)

Dont get me wrong, I as an adult,being able to make my own adult decisions  think it is fabulous, especially if mad max has a bunch of half naked women on his "buggie".

Gery if thats the way you think,then /i dont really think anyone will miss you out there.....stay in little Havana

Wilburz what talking about set of yodas. I saw that movie 5 times and I ain't seen but one of em. And just for the record, myself personnally, have never asked a woman to expose thier chee-chees. Unless I was at the gentlemans club. Or drunk. Or both.

You have a 14 y/o child and this is what you teach him?? Thats not getting your moneys worth, thats ignorance and laziness. Perhaps attitudes like that is why the Movies and MS&G cost so much. They feel they paid to get in and it gives them free reign to walk on the management and staff.

BTW I have only seen one set of breasts in 5 trips, and trust me, they were not worth 25 cent beads.

I think ya'll just need to get laid instead of fighting over getting flashed for 2 seconds...

hey 4xplay. i'm sorry to disrupt your holiness on that great and mighty throne you sit on. as for your reference to little havana i guess you live on the reservation with your other native indian brothers. its funny, you can comment and kid around on the forum but some of you just have to go with your little racist remarks. oh, your so cool. what a cutdown. man that must of overheated your brain. better get some ice pure blooded native indian.

hey truegrit,
you know your probably right. i guess it just pisses me off what you spend to see a flick, but you know what pisses me off more- ignorant back country loxahatchee residents stereotyping cubans as living in little havana. i'm just kidding it takes alot more than an ignorant a** to piss me off. its all fun and games to me.

I couldnt have said it better myself ucf

Chief...."little havana" wasnt a racist remark towards you personally...thats just the way I feel about Miami period......oh and thats Mr. Holiness to you   8)

gery....Ever hear the phrase  "people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones"

You run me over with the bus for saying "little havanna",but then you fire back at me with some remarks of your own....way to set that example........

hey 4x i dont know if you noticed but we're slowly creeping north. pretty soon its gonna be little havana,fl. if you have a problem with miami that means you have a problem with its residents. which we all know for the most part are cuban. its funny how your true colors come out.

         this is the best post I've seen on here yet.
I say if a girl wants to show her breastises then thats great!
Mom3 try to remember when you were a young firm women and the feeling it used to give you have 50 dirty redneck  men whistling at you! Nice!! and for the racist comments,  we don't need that, we are a race of are own , us atvers . We are all hated by the rest of the tight a*$es
just my 2 cents

Im so glad i get out of work in an hour and a half so im not so friggin bored that i read this crap! Also, I am glad that I do not have to pay $30 just to see boobs...there is no lack of boobs just riding areas. This is why i will enjoy MSG no matter what...

north south west creaping in  everywhere . The US has been good to alot of cubans. Its time some of them start representing the good ole US of A , that means no more flags that have less then 50 stars on it.

hey one slow, your right usa "been bery,bery good to me".
hey its all for sh*ts and giggles. and your right as far as i'm concern me and my family live in the greatest country in the world. theres no other place that can offer the freedom and opportunites we have. and i dont care what nationality you are, i will stand next to anyone to defend her if i had to.

My true colors come out?  Have never tried to hide them.....RED,WHITE,AND BLUE!!!!  Keep on creapin north,no prob here.......I'm creapin about 1200 miles north in another year or so......where english in the only language you need to know!!

sorry to see ya go ;D ;D

Okay guys lets keep this on the subject. No thread stealing. This is about 30 bucks for admission to MS&G.

I like my flag to have thirteen stars with a big fat X right in the middle :)

momma momma momma...your grammar just keeps getting worse and worse.  It's to the point now where I can't even decipher what you're trying to say, so yes, it is a problem because what you're saying "no make ah any sense".

As Wilbur (i think?) said, you should probably think TWICE about bringing your kids to an event with a bunch of rowdy rednecks drinkin beer and driving monster creations through the mud with no regard for anyone except themselves (most of the time).

As for seeing boobies, I haven't seen a pair out there.  I did, however, wave at some girls in a dually as they were driving by and as I turned to walk back to my camp, the passenger flashed me.  My friends all saw it (wilburz and customrubicon included) but I didn't :(  They were cute too.  Four or five girls in a red F-250...very hot.

hey sofla, freedom of speech. more power to ya.

gery do you have a good recipe for plantains and chicken?

or how about los frijoles negroes?? ;)  hehe

I have a big sticker on the back of my four-wheeler that says "SPEAK THE LANGUAGE" lol

All I can say is wow!
I have been reading a long and lmao.......  this is way out of control.....  Mom3, it seems like you need to stay home if you cannot accept a little adult fun.  I have a four-year-old son and if he saw a little T & A at MSG, I would not be freaking out about it.  In today's day and age it is not healthy to be be an overprotective parent.  If you are, your child will end up doing bad things behind your back and end up pregnant at 16... Relax, be happy and enjoy life a little......
God bless the women that are exploring their wild sides and showing their stuff!!!

amen brotha! :)

'bro.........I think we've pretty much discussed the 30.00 entry fee every which way that we could,in fact we've disussed it enough that it's been somewhat sorta changed!,well ok not really,but it is cheaper for little ones and cheaper on sunday.

I kinda figured you'd be really disappointed........gery dont take everything you read on here to serious,I know it's hard to decipher attitudes and sarcasm on here,but I just like "stirring the pot" everynow and then ;D

Hey everyone
WOW: Thats all i can say!!
There are so many things to repley to...
First of all i hope everyone likes the price change. I am not going to change it again unless it cost me more for a concert or something.
As for the drinking underage... its going to stop!! Anyone caught giving minors a beer or anything else will be evicted!
As far as drunk driving, If you drive like an a**hole, you will be told to leave and we will let the deputies deal with you.
Would you like us not to allow you to bring you beer or alcohol?
Would you like us to make so many rules that it is no fun?
I thought one of the things about wheeling anywhere was to tread lightly! Yes we have people to clean up after you leave. Want the price to go higher?
I admit i like the boobs thing, but the owner and his familiy does not want it here. You want to see boobs go to a boobie bar or other place that puts up with it. It is illegal in public and if it keeps up the sherrif says he will deal with it.
Everyone says they have no legal places to ride... Do you want one less?
The state is closing many areas and i am sure there are familiys that would love to come be in a rodeo(which take some skill) and have a good weekend with their kids.
We offer live entertainment that no one takes advantage of,
Come up to the stage and get off your bike, Mix and mingle and meet some new friends.
At L-Cross we ask that people respect the rights of others,
Is that to much to ask?
Later
"mud"

Hey wilburzbro
No she was asked to show hers and let it go... But some of the people asked the wrong person!! The boss Lady!
And she says no more!!!
So I have to do what i am asked to do. Besides the last place i worked doing these kind of events (feldamotorsports) It became a problem there as well. It got to the point that the guys were showing their goods and do you want your kids to see that? I guess i am old fashioned but the youth today just dont get it! or they will (hep c, aids, and other diseases)
Seeing boobies is not an education.
"mud"

The dust around the campground was too much. Caused by sport bikes with little respect for other people. We put a couple of atv's in the road by our camp and the guy in the yellow and white ford told us he was going to run one over if it was still there when he came by again.Ha Ha Ha. All we were trying to do was slow people down. I saw him on sunday blowing through the campground at 50mph. I understand there was a kid hurt or something but he is going to hurt another kid. I talked to him again and he says he can handle his truck like i  handle my atv. It was nice to watch him get stuck that afternoon before he even hooked the strap on that hummer.
$30 is steep but I will continue to pay it. I would like to see less dust and a little improvement on the wash facilities. I entered the rodeo and had a good time I would love to do that again. It was kinda limited on space to ride this time I liked the open area for atvs to ride. The mud in the center was better this time more water. It still needs more water. All in all I had a fun weekend and hope to have as much fun next time.

hey 4play sofla,and wilburz. i'm a terrible cook. but one day if we ever have  a get together my wife makes an awesome "arroz con pollo"(yellow rice with chicken)not the crap you get at a cuban restaurant. well no hard feelings and one day we'll ride together and make jokes about each other. you cant miss me, i'll have the giant cuban flag attached to the bed of my truck singing quantanamera. hehehehe ;D ;D ;D

LOL!!!  Dude, im so used to hispanics that they don't even bother me anymore. WHat bothers me is when they don't speak english or when they start speaking spanish to me and refuse to speak english (or don't know how).  I know quite a bit of spanish but i don't speak it to anyone except my dads guys cuz they make us $$$ so i'll talk to them lol

anyways, my mom makes an awesome vaca frita!!  My best friend is cuban and his grandma ALWAYS cooks for me...LOVE cuban food man!! Almost as much as italian...wait, nevermind :)

hey guys its all good. its cool when we can "all just get along"

gery

that was wilbursbro that said something about a spanish dish. not me. anyways.  I like tatas-grande y wholy-freolys y cervesas freo!

Long live Fidel!


Mudmaster

If you did clean up the showerin facilities so that we did not get muddy after showering you might have more folks go to the concerts. I don't like to mingle with a bunch of folks that smell like goats. I am going to start a thread to poll people about the live entertainment at MS&G. I personally don't go there to hear bands that don't have any radio play.  

mudmaster I am volenteering my services as bare boobie patroler out there. I will personnally inspect all instances of bare boobage and perform necessary disciplinary action.

I bet you his grandma has Alot of toilet paper too [smiley=abduct2.gif]


Because after you eat Cuban food, well I should stop talking  :-X

Didn't he used to play for the Marlins or something?

you just gotta get used to it lol.

'bro.......I watch cops all the time(not tonight tho',watchin the race.but anyway....I think you better have some back up on that detail.......I'll bring the handcuffs ;D

Hey wilburz
Will see if we can put some more shell and make bigger showers. I know i stink after a day in the heat and the mud and cough, cough, Dust!
The fire dept. is sopposed to bring a truck for this next event.

The entertainment is going to be realy good this next event, Details soon...
"mud"

Hank Jr and Kid Rock??

Shells??? ew no man, not shells!! they cut the sh*t outta your feet!!!

And if Kid Rock plays, i'll probably get kicked out of MS&G for throwing sh*t at that rappin redneck rocker wannabe.

Bring on the HANK!!!

Nope its not hank or kid rock... I cant say yet... i do not have the signed contract yet. But I can say everyone willl be suprised! And yes they have some radio time!!

As for the showers... I have to use shell, its a lot cheaper than concrete... Once again things cost and the only thing i can do is pass my cost onto everyone. we'll see if we can put some sand on top!
"mud"

oh great...turn MS&G into a beach lol.  how about we show up a week early and lay some concrete for you??

how about chatahoochie rock? it doesn't hurt and its not that expensive.  ok well i guess it is kinda expensive but you'd only need like 3 or 4 yards

so it coast 30 $ per person to ride there and how much to camp

$30 for everything...camp and ride.

Willie nelson ???



I wonder what would happen if you had fity cents or whatever the hell that rappers name is, play :o

Ok Sofla.we cant agree on everything i guess.....i've seen hank so many times,and i giotta say last couple of times wasnt worth it.......i fell asllep when he was at the miami arena.......country boy can survive,in acoustic,no band.....he was drunk as hell,it sucked.........now how come you like hank,and hank like kid rock,but you dont...you must be a few years older then me,hardcore country boy...not dis'ing you,just wondering

You know this was a lot more fun when we were talking about the boobies. mom3 how about next time you leave the kids with the sitter and come on out and have a few pops and chilly out!

Are there really Thousands of people out there on weekends? Or is it hundreds. If there is over a thousand, then the event corrodinator must be doing well. They have to pay for liability insurance,  payroll, electric, water, property taxes, vehicle  costs, maintenance,office supplies, utilities, advertising, internet costs and probably many other business expenses. But $30.00 eachX a few thousand?  If that really is the case, then I will buy some useless Florida swamp land and  open up my own ATV mud park!
Even with 200 people at $10 each..thats $2000 weekend. I am sure the liability insurance must be very expensive (if it even  is available for such an event).   Anyways.. I am just thinking.. I don't think i would invest in such a venture. I don't like Florida and this would tie me here.
BTW.. Does MS&G require helmets? safety equiptment?

no stang boy, they do not require helmets or even tops.
;D

thousands is the number for the third weekend of every month

If you don't like Florida then try this link:
www.newyorkatv.com

Probably a good spot for ya! ;D

Actually I am considering West Virginia or Atlanta Georgia.
Anyone have any input?
Thanks

Yes actually, Leave.  If you don't like it then go.   J/K.  You know I had to go there.

I'm really kind of sick of hearing everyone complain about the price of this event!  First off, it's only once per month and you know what...they run a business, just like you would run any other business.  They have business expenses and then they make some profit.  You charge for things because life isn't free.  MS&G is like an amusement park for the four-wheelers, trucks and buggies.  I'd pay to use the land and mud holes, etc. just like I'd pay to go ride a roller coaster at a theme park!  Plus, you're telling me someone who can afford these huge buggies, trucks, trailers or these nice four-wheelers pimped out with new tires, etc. can't afford $30 for the weekend!?  Give me a break, eat at home one night instead of going out to dinner...there's your $30.    

Before I knew what MS&G was, I thought that the price was too much but after going that first time, I have never thought twice about the cost!  It's all been said before but I'll say it again, if you don't like it - don't go...no one is forcing you to.  More fun for the rest of us.  And instead of sitting around complaining about things in the future, either try to help make it better (by offering suggestions to Mudmaster, etc.) or leave it alone!  No one likes to be around a negative person!  Mudmaster, you have a tough job and I'd love to put some of these people in your shoes for a day.  You're doing great!  

As for the rest of you non-complainers...see y'all out there!!  

If you dont like negitive people then why are you here........

Good question.   ???  

Thank you!  ;)

I'm with Willburz..... Let's get back to the boobies conversation!  ;D

will pasties and a thong be o.k. ? I won't be able to make the May event but am looking forward to the June one. I won't bring any beads and promise to be on my best behavior. Mudmaster I voulenteer my brother to help you out in any capacity you may need.

where exactly is this MSG thing

www.l-cross.com

they have directions on thier site.

Well if they have outlawed beads I only have one thing left to say:

Thanks for the mammaries!

;D

whens the next one

May 20th - 22nd

can you guys try to get Gretchen Wilson to proform there that would be realy cool and i cant for this one coming up Jason Aldean is real good

 I  think they said for the June MS&G the Kenny Chesney/Uncle Cracker/Gretchen Wilson tour is coming!

oh thats realy cool
ill denfintley go to that one

Hi Everyone
Posted by: wilburzbro Posted on: May 7th, 2005, 4:29pm
I  think they said for the June MS&G the Kenny Chesney/Uncle Cracker/Gretchen Wilson tour is coming!

This information is not correct. There is no show of this tour at L-Cross as far as I know. And if this info was true i would be the first to confirm it!
We are working on some new shows, I will post all new info as soon as i get it!
Later
"mud"

I was joking. I apologize to anyone who got thier hopes up.  :'(

damn lol

I was with you on that wilburzbro.......cant belive ANYONE would have belived you,sheeesh

WELL I HAVE TO ADMIT WHEN I LEFT MSG I WAS CONVINCED I WOULD NOT BE BACK, BUT AFTER THE RESPONSE FROM THIS FORUM AND THE PEOPLE THAT VOICED THIER OPINION
THE PEARCES LISTEND!!!! THE 5.00 PRICE FOR 12 AND UNDER HAS MADE IT PERFECT FOR THE FAMILY. THE PEARCES HAVE ALSO ADDRESSED THE OTHER CONCERNS THAT MOST FOLKS HAD.... GREAT JOB!! THIS ONLY PROVED WHAT SOME OF YOU HAD SAID, THEY CARE ABOUT THE PLACE AND ARE IN FOR THE LONG HAUL!!! THANK YOU FOR LISTENING AND THANK YOU FOR IMPLIMENTING THE CHANGES YOU HAVE(UNDERAGE DRINKING, NUDITY, SPEEDING AND 30.00 PER) AWESOME JOB!!! MUD MASTER AND THE PEARCES MY HAT IS OFF TO YOU!!! YOU HAVE MADE IT AFFORDABLE TO MUD WITH YOU AS A FAMILY!!!

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Easy on the cap lock button donkey :o What the hell 5 bucks for 12 and under? I gots me a kid that just turned 13. Can he get in for 10?

I agree with donkey. I was not going to return because of many things(but not really the price) but this forum has address alot of issues and other peoples opinions have influenced me. I will be there again to see if it does really improve. I appreciate mudmaster taking the time and effort to help us out.

Is MGS Really worth the 30.00 dollars ? i want to go to the next one . Can anyone post some contact info for those guys over there. plz.

http://www.l-cross.com/contact_us.html

I showed someone the MSG video I made the other day and I realized the date...xackly 1 freakin year :)

http://www.atvflorida.com/video/atvflorida-mudsweatgear0504.wmv


If BC drags out the blue beater, I might just have to grab the Hi8.

Plus I wanna meet Swamp Donkey!! Stood him up when I missed last month. Really I gotta meet the guy that showed me the "price per acre cost of mud"  [smiley=Geek.gif]

Mudmaster ...I'd like to race against a Bruteforce... (stock) like they run up in deland at the pumpkin/bunny run with a trail back.....
http://www.atvflorida.com/video/atvflorida-bunnyrun04.wmv

anyway...cya in the mud!!!

Underage drinking ok, speeding ok, $30 per person ok, but no nudity? It's ok to have some drunken dude with his butt crack hanging out, but god forbid we have a drunken girl flash a little booby. It's not like their driving around topless! I think I have seen 2 pair in the couple of times I have been. :o

maybe all the girls should just tape some tape over their nipples and then it would be legal. That way they all could ride their quads without shirts at all.

I like your thinking yunt2ride!  I will even bring the tape.

tape wont do....you need some support when bouncing around on the back of a quad.

How about duck tape wrapped around the back and then over the areola area?

Legal and supportive. ;D

LOL!  Thanks for realizing support is important for us.  By the way can I just say OUCH at the thought of taping em!  And what do us women get to see out of this?  We'd like scenery too.

I am sure someone there will have a couple apple bags on display! ;D

Will that suffice?

Let's get back to the subject of the post. All this talk about nudity is very upsetting to me. :'(

Not in the open but maybe in the tent. HEHE

I didn't say I wanted any action.  Just some scenery.  LOL ;D

Scenery in the tent. HEHE

Yeah I'll keep that in mind when i meet you at one of the rides and my 6y/o is with me.   [smiley=Angry.gif]

wow you let your 6 y/o drink?

MUD, What happend to your posting on this thread?? ???

Hey Guys
Im still reading these posts!
I dont know what to say?
I guess you all need to go to the T**** bar and look at all the boobs there! We cant have them at L-Cross so we must look elsewhere... And sorry ladies no packages at L-Cross either...
Later
"mud"

Personnally I am freeballin' 24/7. Always up for a t-bag :-*

Mud, no worries.  All the guys kept making posts about the topic so I thought I'd turn it around.  Just kidding around.

This has to be some kind of record for this site!!
What is the most replys to any given topic?
Now if we could only get everyone to get active for keeping our riding areas open we could make the government give us more flexability to use more land for atvs. Just a thought?
"mud"

There have been many more replies to other topics.....but this is high.  Thats what happens when you talk about boobies!

This is the biggest thread :ohttp://www.atvflorida.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=grouprides;action=messageindex;start=120

wow that thread was huge!!!! :o

Well Its time for MS&G,
I am packing up and going for my bike tonight. they said it will be ready! They best be right!!!!!! If not all i can say is dont take your bike to sunsports in fort myers if your in a hurry.
Its been two months and they just sent the head and jug off yesterday.
Will sa ya'll at MS&G
"mud"