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I think it's time to start up the draft again.  Here we are in a small war in Afghanistan and a larger one in Iraq and we are out of troops.  Many times in the last few months we here of the troop shortages and now there calling for more troops in Iraq and we don't know where the troops will come from.  If we are really in a war on terror (I believe we are) as GW says then we will need more troops sooner or later.  It could take at least a year to revamp the draft and get troops trained so we need to start now.

The Israeli's have mandatory military service for its population and it works for them.  They complete there military training and a short stint in the military and they go back to civilian life until needed then they can recall them as needed.  Now Israel is a lot smaller country than the United States and must do it this way in order to survive.  With our war on Terror we could end up needing a large number of troops in a short time frame if some of the rogue states like Iran or North Korea get a wild hair.  Radical Islam has declared war on the west and we need to be prepared this would also send a message to any of our enimies that we are in this war until the end.

It's time for politicalflorida.com!

Bring it on.

It would be a good idea. Todays youth need to learn some discipline and respect.

Take the politic crap here.

http://www.flapolitics.com/frontPage.do

Well, Looks like Im off to college in a couple years, better bring that GPA a bit higher.

Here I come Canada! jk  ???

Chillen has a good point though

I know i shouldnt but........Yeah, lets send more kids to die for an unwinnable(is that a word) war that was started based on lies. The only one who thinks we can win is the delusional G(dumbass)W. We should get out of iraq, and concentrate on finding the real terrorist Bin Laden and conquering Al-queda.

Okay im good for a little while.

Thats the problem, too many people think someone else should teach their kids respect and discipline. We should worry about teaching our own.

When I say bring back the draft it is not necessarily for the war in Iraq but more for the war on terror that will be going on for decades.

All the military in the world is not going to stop terrorism. It didnt stop the unibomber, the Oklahoma bomber(s), and it hasnt stopped Al-Queda. People need to stop listening to the propaganda and scare tactics of the Bush admin and wake up to reality.

 Just send over the prison population........i am sure tired of paying for their 3 squares a day

yea, those are some ruff dudes. they would be great. give them guns and let them kill every towlhead in the world.

What do you think we should do convert to Islam because that is the only thing that will stop them that or kill them which would be the preferred option.

Somebody bring me a draft. Like a bud 8)

Bring BACK THE DRAFT?!?! I really thought there were a few more members here with a bit of sense. I cannot belive that you want to bring back the draft? The only reason we dont have more troops in Iraq is because of congress and people like you! Congress is made up of a bunch of spinless liberals that just vote aginst anthing bush proposes. Sure fish you want to bring back the draft. Your in your 40's. All you got to do is work for a few more years then its all good. You can sit back and play golf and watch people that dont want to be somewhere getting shot at. Im 15 and have my whole life ahead of me. I dont want to spend it in a sandbox when there are people that voluntarly signed up to fight in a war. Bush has tried to get 20,000 more troops in Iraq but congress wont let him. We could draft the entrie country but they wont be allowed to go anywhere because of Nancy Pilowski and friends. Bringing back the draft would be as bad as leaving. OMG I cannot belive the people here.... BTW trx please, you post in evey political discussion yet you have nothing of any value or factual knowledge to say. If you have an intellegent comment then post it. Otherwise save it for the kids section.

I hope your little ass gets sent to Iraq. And don't tell be were I can post or I'll spank you over my knee like a little baby. I like How you support the war until you hear there might be a draft and you might have to go, just like your Republican leaders lets go to war but not with my kids.

Spinless liberals huh, I quess you didn't read my post on "Political Post" thread that said we can discuss politics if we don't revert to name calling and childish banter.  Anyway Nancy Pelosi has only been in office for less than 3 days and its her fault that we can't get 20,000 more troops for Iraq, I think NOT.  The fact is the only reason the military has even come close to fulfilling its requirments is that it lowered the requirements of incoming troops, meaning they take just about anyone who volunteers now.  The military has also got to the point of giving large bonuses for those who resign.

I'm sorry for those that would get drafted but if we don't gear up for the fight now it will be too late later.  I know your only 15 and are not worried about having a future family at this time but after a while you will and who will protect them?  Give up a little now so the world can be a safer place later.  One last thing, I am in my 40s, 46 to be exact but trust me I have a lot more than a few more years to work and yes I like to golf but if you look at my screen name FishaHallic you will know that if I'm gonna sit back and do anything it will be FISH  ;D.

I like fried chicken.

Hey I just realized something yesterday Mud Mule I mean Swamp Donkey  :P said I didn't have a brain and today I was called spin less, I wonder what tomorrow may bring?   :ouch.gif

Let's draft young people to serve in U.S. hospitals to relieve the nursing shortage, high costs of healthcare and the pain/suffering of war veterans!

Fish, are you willing to go?

                                                                                                                Douche bag maybe?

Fishahallic I'm only kidding.You did leave yourself open for that one though.

I don't think the military is desparate enough to draft a slightly over weight, middle aged, bad back, brainless, spin less white guy  ;D  but if they did you know I would go.   :ThumbsUp.gif

I joined the Marines and I'm in 12th grade, I leave for boot camp on June 4th.  Currently I'm very enthusiastic and I'm ready to get out of here and see some things and do some growing up. 
As for the draft, if it's needed, then it's needed, there's nothing to argue about.  If you're that scared of helping defend the country a bit, then run off to Canada and stay there. 

Did I ever say that I didnot support the war? Once in my post did I ever say I didnot support the war? NO. I clearly stated that I donot support the draft for several reasons. Everybody that signs up for the military and everyone that is curretly deployed in Iraq is there by their own will. They signed up to fight for our country so that people like me have a good opportunity to be sucessful in life. They also give us the right to be talking about this right here. As far as the spinless liberal thing, I didnot say that you were a spinless liberal. I said the congress was. Even quite a few republicans. Thats the main reason we lost the house and senate. So you might want to check what your reading. I respect your oppinion and thats why i didnot revert to name calling to anyone here. TRX, I didnot mean to get you into a tantrum. I was just saying you make these baseless, non backed up comments with no factual reason. I am sorry you want to spank me and send me into war. I hope your 2 like your profile says. I would hate to see a adult talk to a 15yr old like that.... ??? 

I just read Toomey's post. He is the kind of people we have in our military. People who want to be there and fight for our country. Plus another thing you guys said that wasnt true is that I dont want to fight for our country. I said I wouldnt want to fight if there were people that willingly volunteered to do that.

I agree with you there.  There are people that just don't like the idea of joining the military, and there's nothing wrong with that, it's a personality thing or whatever.  I'm not to crazy about going to college, but I'll end up with my degree eventually, it's just one of those things.

When enough people that want to be there join, and it saves the non-joiners the trouble with the draft, then that's the win-win situation.  But if there comes a time for the draft, what can I tell you, I'm not in control of how many people join the military or which wars we fight.  Hopefully there won't be a draft so that everyone can continue with the lives they want to live.

"The only reason we don't have more troops in Iraq is because of congress and people like you! Congress is made up of a bunch of spineless liberals that just vote against anything bush proposes."   When you group me with congress and then say congress is a bunch of spin less liberals you are calling me a spineless  liberal, not that I care mind you I have been called alot worse than that  ;D.

Toomey, thank you for supporting our country by enlisting in the military and I wish you and others like you all the luck in the world and hope you achieve all your goals in life.  You sir are indeed a MAN  :ThumbsUp.gif :T :Fp

Ok, although I didnt directly say it towards you, I said it. I shoudnt have said it. I dont like calling names and I really dont like it when other people revert to it in these political sections. Its just that I have strong feelings when it comes to this subject. The whole war and bush thing.

Not a problem, I think it's good that someone your age shows some interest in things that are happening in this world.   :ThumbsUp.gif

well, im not all excited about being forced to go to fight but i will if they need me to. i kinda agree with mad mudder about not wanting to go and possibly die at the age of 18. thats not my idea of fun. however, killing towelheads sounds like fun.  ;D

as for the liberals killing everything bush does, its true. if bush tried to kill himself, they would not let him. if he tried to get rid of guns, they would try to keep them. they are just stubborn losers that want to fight like girls all the time. they dont give a crap about the wellfare of the country. all they care about is themselves and their kids. they are girly men. scared of a fight. they hear about killing or bloodshed and run and hide.

So I see how you voted, when you say "we" lost the house & senate. How long have you & other 15 yr. olds been voting ???? With the attitude you have , you better HOPE & PRAY that there a lot of Toomey's out there because when your'e my age (46) this country is gonna be in very bad shape !!!  ::)  ::)

  Thank you, Toomey. Be safe, and best of luck. Your parents must be proud. My son is only 5yrs. old but if he makes the decision that you did when he is old enough I would be very proud.
 

No, the problem is NOBODY teaches  kids respect or discipline. There are WAY too many deadbeat sorry ass men out there that breed them and leave them. So there is no man in the kids life to teach them. When I was growing up you still got your ass beat at school so if you didnt learn how to obey the rules at home at least they could discipline kids at school.
 
 

 

ILL BE HAPPY TO GO!!!!! IF YOU FIX THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT FIRST!




        IEDS DONT WORK AT 35K FEET!  NO IRAQIS ARE WORTH 1 DEAD GI!

i say if you see ANY towelhead (combatant or not) they should blow their guts out of the back of their bodies. they all hate Americans. weather armed or not. kill em all, let alah sort em out!

By saying NOBODY you include yourself. I have taught my kids much respect and discipline and also was brought up to do the same and when we didnt we got our asses whipped. Again it starts at the home.

I spend quite a bit of time with Chillin and his family. Trust me, he knows how to properly discipline and raise his kids and his kids are awesome because of it.

Thank you ;D.

LETS RIDE

 Once again, I didnot say I voted. I said that in meaning that I support the republican party and if I could vote I would. Why do you guys misconshrew my words? Do you think im a kid and wont notice. Or is it that you just dont know? I did not say I voted. Also, I didnot say that i wouldnot go fight. I dont want to when there are people like Toomey that make the choice to go protect our country. I dont want to go and fight WHEN THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT VOLUNTARILY SIGN UP TO FIGHT! Did everyone read that clear? No misconceptions? Good.

My 18 year old son who works 40hs a week and still goes to collage full time has a point.
We think you should lead by example why dont YOU  join up!! first! let me know  how it goes!

Did it ever occur to you that the military isnt for everybody? If its so great then eveybody that isnt disabled should join right? Well then why didnt all of you join. Everyone here seems to agree that I should go join up... So why didnt you? Its because the military isnt for everyone. There are people like toomey that volunarly go and fight so that people like me dont have to. Thats the whole idea behind times that we dont have the draft.  Also, blues, you or your son or anybody for that matter has no right to tell me what to do. I dont like when these threds get personal. I enjoy reading about other peoples oppinions but they all start getting personal.

Go fight for your country you little puss! :'(

Yeah, go fight for the very folks who want to intimate or shame YOU into risking your life for their freedom to insult you.

I did , I've been serving over 18 years, I've missed countless birthdays , wedding ann, xmas and other holiday's, and currently serving oversea's at this time. Stop crying and grow up