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2006 yamaha banshee 350 with

-Toomey T5 exhaust and jet kit
  http://www.toomey.com/
-K&N powerlid with outerwear pre filter and no airfilter in the box
 http://www.knfilters.com/powerlid.htm
-reed spacers placed between the reed cage and the carb
http://www.trinityracing.com/products/yamaha/bansheereedspacer.html
-Delta 3 V-Force reed valve and reeds
 http://www.mototassinari.com/atv.php
-rear sprocket went up 3 teeth

What is the next couple of best mods for the money? I have listed a few ideas below but am open to all thoughts. I don't want to mod the cylinders or heads as I would like to go to a big bore kit later http://www.trinityracing.com/products/cheetah/cheetah.html. Yes money is an issue if you were wondering?

Clutch lockout
A lockout is designed to do two things, (1) eliminate excessive clutch slippage to facilitate the
transfer of as much horsepower to the rear tires as possible and (2) make the bike quicker
http://www.directdrivecnc.net/banlockout.html

Adjustable Timing Plate
advancing your timing
http://www.trinityracing.com/products/yamaha/bansheetiming.html

Timing Advance Key
Add 1.5 hp. All this key does is advance the timing by 3 degrees. By doing this your quad will rev quicker and hit the power band faster.
http://store.albaaction.com/shop/BANSHEE-ADV-KEY.html

Pro Design water pump mega flow impeller. The advanced design flows more liquid -providing up to 30% more efficient cooling!
http://store.albaaction.com/shop/PD410.html

Dropping one tooth on the front sprocket?

Ignition system

I have an adjustable timing plate I think I will sell $20 shipped.  you don't need a lockup in my opinion.  If you really want some good advice, you need to pm cutngrs, he is the banshee man on here.

I would probably go with the bigger water pump. That way you wont have to worry about baking you engine when you decide to do= another major motor modification. Plus less heat=more power! ;)

I don't know your location, but 535banshee is in Naples and does good work.  cutngrs is in ocala and does good work.  either one and you will be very very happy.

Have you ridden a banshee with the clutch lockout? Why do you not like your timing plate? How many degrees did you go on the taming advance? I think stock timing is 17 degrees, correct? thanks for the heads up about cutngrs and 535Banshee i will look them up. Also has anyone ever had a 500cc big bore or better engine, and has any words of wisdom? ( thanks smoke and mudder )

yeah, i just rode cutngrs drag banshee last weekend that had a lockout, but it is a drag banshee, for trailriding a lockout is not necessary, spend the money elsewhere.  if you plan to get into drag racing, then yes a lockout is necessary, very necessary.  i have a timing plate because i took it off my banshee that i sold because i had a dyna fs ignition that already had the timing advanced 5 degrees.  cutngrs has a 610cc cheetah motor and 535 has even bigger motor so they would be the ones to ask about the big motors.  good luck man. 

I would put the money into the carbs ( bigger), And as mentioned a Billet water pump impeller.
 Jason is right, you dont need a lock up, unless your planning on getting into drag racing. But that is gonna cost some $$$$$$$$$$

Well before I get a timing plate perhaps i should ask do you feel that the ignition is a better way to go than the timing plate? Also if i wanted it how would we exchange money for part? I am in Orlando but make frequent trips to Miami. I was ridding for the first time on this machine last night and noticed that when power slidding (drifting) thru the turns or doing donuts the bike would sputter at very high rpm. I think this might be due to the reed spacers being placed between the carbs and the reed valves. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

how old are you and what are you planning to do with this bike?

The sputtering at the very high RPMs could be that the main jets are one or two sizes off?

     I am 27 and like trail riding in Ocala. Me and my dad drag race from time to time as well. I really like the ability to have the torque on demand to lift the front end with little effort. Mainly I gust like to ride hard and fast but when with the fam I can only hit it hard for short burst before getting to far from the fam and have to back down. Unlike A lot of guys I don't care for the super high speeds and really get into 5th and 6th gear. Also thanks accepting the invite.
     As for the jetting you think i need to go up a size on the Toomey jetting? Not saying I know one way or another but I really think it is coming from the reed spacer and may need to move it to be between the mottor and the reed valve instead of betwen the carb and the reed valve. But again don't know and was looking for input and will look into a 290 instead of the 280 i am currently running.

first off for the type of riding that you are doing you need to sell your pipes and get a set of low to mids paul turners. this is what i would do for that bike.....


pipes - paul turners
carb- trinity racing single carb kit(33mm) without porting (35mm) with porting
trinity racing head with pump gas domes
the best thing for that motor "PORTING" TRINITY RACING STAGE "PRO MX"
trinity timing plate because you can adjust timing without taking off flywheel with thier plate
after all that go with a lock-up- every motor from stock to all out drags will have clutch slip. the lock-up with help this. i had this same set up and the lock-up helped big time.

trust me on this your bike will be real fun to ride with this set up.

forgot to tell you dont waste your money on a cdi box, its not worth the money. put the money into your porting or single carb. i am a dealer for alot of shops and can get you put down the right road. call me at 239-253-2616

I woods raced a banshee for quite some time...
If your going to stay in the woods...everyone who has posted has some good tips.
Timing plate +4 deg, keep the ignition stock.
I personally like the T5 pipes, I still run them to this day.
single carb! the 35mm trinity or the one cascade sells makes a HUGE difference on the bottom end and we run a 38mm single on my brothers 421 cub set up and love it.
A lockup wont do you any good...

Now if you want a BB motor.. i have a 421 cub ill sell ya.. ;D

I HAVE USED T5'S,TRINITY PIPES,FMF, PRO CIRUIT AND MORE. THE PAUL TURNERS WORKED THE BEST OUT OF ALL THEM.
TELLING YOU FROM WHAT I HAVE SOLD AND BUILT FOR PEOPLE THE SINGLE CARB AND PRO MX KIT WORKS GREAT AND NEVER HAD A CUSTUMER THAT WASNT HAPPY WITH IT.
THE 4 MIL KIT CHRIS HAS IS A GOOD WAY TO GO ALSO.

Great info. I appreciate how you listed all the options. Now remembering I know nothing so don't kill me but a single 33mm carb instead of (2) 26mm just seams like Less fuel and air and would not supply enough. I understand that for it to be sold on Trinity's web site says it all due to the reputation i have heard about them. If you could explain this in any grater detail it would be much appreciated.
http://www.trinityracing.com/products/yamaha/bansheecvkit.html

heres how it works-

the pistons in your motor go up and down at different times. because of this, one cylinder is pulling fuel from the carb at a time. not both cylinders at one time. your motor will pull more fuel now because it is pulling threw a 33mm opening not a 26mm opening. no more need to keep your carbs in sink. because of this you will get alot better bottom end power.

yep!

 i would buy  that  4 mill 421 cub chris has and put them   t 5 on it  with a single carb set up  and trail ride it       woh hooo    what ride that would be   :drive.gif :w :O :oo

You should go sign up on bansheehq.com. Trust me....Why would you want a cub and t5's and a single carb kit?For trails a cub is horrible.Go get a good trail port save the money up and buy better suspension.Stay with t5's you wont regret them at all once you port it.get a timing plate and advance it +4.Get your head shaved.If you live anywhere near miami I will highly reccomend Pedro at 99performance he knows his sh*t.

   



  first things first   t 5 are a great pipe for a stock banshee   but  thats what a t5 is made for a stock banshee   once you start to port a banshee  a set of t5  will not rev at high rpms   they will work great at bottom and ok at mid and then it will feel like you about to fall over the handle bars    i was jokeing  about a cub on trails  i would not want to see some one kill them selfs   first off  think of how much money you want to spend and how fast you wanna go  there are a bunch of combos you could  do to get what you want   i sent you a pm  so if you want to give me a call

TRUST ME. GO WILL THE PAUL TURNER PIPES AND A PRO MX PORT FROM TRINITY!

PIC
http://www.duncanracing.com/prods/PT-335M/

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Depends what type of porting he gets.If you get like a trail/mx port you will be awesome with t5's.Now t6s are horrible with non-stock engines.which ever he gets it will still be a night and day diffrence

     Sounds like the one thing everyone agrees on is the timming plate and 4 deg. not to mention cost efective. Smoknbanshee I would love to take you up on that offer please pm me if you are still interested. then I think the water pump impeler followed by a clutch lockup followed by the single carb setup will be my goal for the next year then maybe the bigbore motor and with porting and new pipes latter down the road. As for the Paul Tuners man that is a completly difrent design, WOW. Not to take your advise Cutngrs but I just jot the bike for X-mas and my wife had the Toomeys put on so I likely wont git rid of them till a BB motor is done. Thanks evey one for the input it has been great.

     A few more questions I have are

1. Is 4 deg pushing it or prety safe as not to get knock?
2. With a single Carb what size and jetting do you recomend?
3. With carbs is it not true that bigger is not always better due to the fact that a smaller carb will have more vacum than a largeer one?

if everyone agreed you wouldn't have options.  like i said, i would recommend cutngrs or 535.  i personally don't like anything that trinity sells, but that is my opinion and they are like a$$holes, everyone has one.  Chris also has a nice cub motor, depending on price you might be able to get a very SWEET setup and sell the stock virgin cylinders and make out like a bandit, but i don't know, because i don't know what chris (hoosier daddy) wants for his set up, but those cub set ups ROCK OUT. 

I can tell you what I had, it is was a very sweet set up and spanked bunches of bikes.  Cutngrs got me a nice port job done.  34 mm Kiehen carbs (would rather of had Mikuni's or Lectrons).  CPI inframe drag pipes (VERY NICE PIPES).  and cut can tell you about the rest of the motor, but it would ride out and had plenty of power. 

oh by the way, if you motor is spitting and sputtering at the top end, it is getting too much fuel, go down on the jet size restrics amount of fuel.

yes, you can get too much carb.

good lookn out there Smoke, and i love the as*hole analogy   ;D
the bottom line is that coming from a blaster w/ a toomey b1 kit, the Banshee rocks!

would have to agree 100%. 

How great would it be if we could get a all of us BANSHEE owners and fams (or not) together for a weekend ride? It would be great to actual see ride some other BANSHEEs that are set up diffrent not to mention talk with alot of you guys.

4 deg  timing is pretty safe  you can go up to 6 deg an still be safe
 a 33 mm or 35 mm    will work fine   as for jetting   it will come pretty close from trinity  but not all motors are the same  so it may take a little more or a little lees on yhe jetting

and like i said t5 are a great pipe and work best with little mods  a timing plate and a carb  with some dalta v force reeds    are a good starting point but i would put a cool head  with some 18 cc domes on it be for a lock up

As Im in apoka I will probably come see ya when i need work done if thats your thing. Do you ride any where near the Big scrub area? I have yet to check out other spots in the forest yet.

Im pretty sure he wants to stick with pumpgas.I would go in that direction but +4 and 21cc domes with a noss head or coolhead.Pluss hq members get a 10% or something like that on noss heads and they look better and have different colors and you can use coolhead domes.Its all preference.VF3 are also a very good mod.That would be pretty fun to ride with other banshees and not have to wait for my 4poker friends.

hay 06 banshee  what was the last banshee motor you built   not one someone else  built but one that you did  just wondering

i changed the spark plugs in a motor a few weeks ago, does that count? 

man! someone fixin to get cut up in here!
I say....
triple cylinder, out of frame pipes, NOS, nitromethane, and some fuzzy dice of the grab bar!
now thats the shiz~!

I have a set of paul turner pipes and love them,the only problem I see with them .they are loud as shiot even with new packing in them but they do have a great power curve.your more than welcome to come over and ride my shee to see what you think about them.I live on the other side of clermont.Pm me if you want to try them.

How many Ive built=0.Going to be this summer tho.Im not starting Sh*T im just saying he probably wants to stay with pump gas.I like getting my stuff done right until I know how to do it right.I definately will never put 18cc domes on a bike im planning to run pump gas on and +6 timing.

blupits04  I would love to get to gether and check your bike out but Maybe one better we could all get together at big scrub or anywhere for that matter, perhaps the beginning of next month? Feb 3rd in the am somewhere? I would love to see the different setups we have all talked about. I'm sure there will be some that must know how's set up is better as the tention is growing in here. O and yes as money doesn't grow on trees pump gas is good with me ;D
 

Thats FUNNY !!!!!!!
My last motor was on PUMP gas ( 4 mil stroker) with 17cc domes, Cuts old 7mil had 17,or 16cc domes in that, Both started out on pump gas, set at +6 degree and both ran like a scalded dog !!!!!!!
Every motor is different !!!! Timing will depend on what else you have done to it !! I believe Troy answered the ?? of "would it be safe to start at a certain degree of timing??". He answered that by saying YES, That would be a safe place to START !!!
 I know of quit a few motors that Troy has built and all run HARD as heck, I am sure about now   06 banshee, he will be posting a pic of a motor that he built HIMSELF, and took a national title with on his BUSA

yeah, the size of the cc domes does matter but you can change the compression by changing the squash on the cylinders and the thickness of the base gasket.  domes is not the only thing that changes compression. 

Dude first off all.Grow the F**K up.Second off I will post pics off my build.Im giving someone advice that doesn really know what to do and doesnt have much flow to spend.Im pretty sure he just wants to drop in the head and go.You go ahead and run your bike with 17cc domes on 93 octane gas.Im pretty sure hes at sea level and Im pretty sure his compression will be way over 175 per cylinder.Do you really think he wants to change the squash on the cylinders?Go run 93 octane on a stock banshee with 16cc domes.Then post up what happends. ;)

I dont need to build hundreds of banshee engines to know it aint smart to run 16cc domes on pump gas.

Hey guys its all good. I have got a great deal of info and even if i don't do anymore mods i have a much better understanding of the types of things to be done for improvements. Thanks all, there is no need to get bent out of shape. I have received a number of Pm's and seen other post, and the reps of some members speak volumes for there input. But then again LEEEETTTSSS GET IT ON! where AND WHEN? lets see these bikes run. I'm just playing calm down. ;D :) :P

I am not sure if you are addressing this post at me, but if you are let me know, so I can respond accordingly.

no no no i just don't want people getting upset over thinking i might get bad info. thats all. you definitely have a rep that speaks for it self and your knowledge of the inerworkings of the shee. I greatly appreciate everything.

oops sorry smoke didn't see the quote above your post, i'll shut up now. ???

It was to dynodon.I aint going to fight over the net.If he wants to put 16cc domes and run on pump gas none is stopping him.I just know thats not safe.My life not be about building banshees for a living but I do know a lil bit about them.For the guy wanting to know what mods.Sign up on bansheehq.Thats the best banshee website online.

 Thanks 06 i'll check that out.

okay wanted to clarify for I made some obscene gestures.  bansheehq.com is decent and has a large amount of knowledge, but for hard core stuff you really need to visit planetsand.com.  that is where you can see the hard core drag racing bikes.  I have been working with banshees, racing, putting on races and everything for about 5 years, so I have built quit a network of people.  I will tell you this, once you have installed pipes on a banshee the next step really is getting a good port job on the cylinders.  That is where you will see your next big power increase.  good luck and keep us posted on how the bike is doing.

06 banshee   you get on here and  you talk like you know some thing about a banshee. when you dont know sh*t .itill you can say that you have biult a few motors. dont ack like you know what your doing. a guy comes on here asking for some advice from peaple that know what there talking about.  not from some thingy like you who dose not no his  head from his a$$ 

Listen here 06, I have seen and read your post on HQ. Yeah , I would have to say that your definately  the  KING of knowledge on a banshee. :bow.gif

 Now go back get some more info from jeff @ FAST, or call Passion then second hand us some more info.
Troys motor that had the 16cc domes on pump gas had alot of work( squish, port, stroked, outta frame pipes, etc. etc) All that was in reply to your post about " he wanted to stay on pump gas, which you can do with the right work done to it.

 Feb. 24th is the first race @ CR motorsports, Bring that bike of yours out , and we will see how FAST it is.

The man asked for info, so we all gave him info, BUT you have to come here and make like your the worlds best, when infact, you made the post on HQ that you were a" ROOKIE yourself, so Please dont bash me "

I am a rookie...The Fing dude wants to run pump gas.Oh yea by the way read right and you will see that I only called jeff at fast for my sroker and carbs.You seriously think he wants to do alot of work to his motor.Give me a break.You go BOLT ON YOUR head with 16cc domes.It will run.But it wont for long.Yea I posted that because those people know there sh*t unlike you telling som1 to run 16cc domes on pump gas.yea I even posted up to see if it was possible to run it at 7500 ft above sea level and you still need to mix it with race gas.

I will race you when Im done.with my stock shee compared to your 700cc whatever with 16cc domes on pumpgass.We will see how long it will last

WELL I STILL LIKE MY FUZZY DICE IDEA! BASTARDS!! :-\

fuzzy dice are nice.

First off, I nor did anyone else tell him to run 16cc domes, we stated that it could be done, and just FYI, that motor is still running strong as ever. Even after tons of passes on dirt/ashphalt.

I dont have a 700cc whatever motor, I have a little 4 mil. But I would like to race you you anyday !!!! Maybe even put up some $$$$$ to back your mouth up would be O.K. too.

the guy was asking what to do next, in terms of he was planning on going to a BB motor eventually. If you READ, I stated to add the titming plate, carbs. NOT to go with a lock up on a stock, w/port........ WASTE of money. You telling someone to Port their motor, and stay with the T-5`s is about the most ridiculous thing I have heard since Nixon was president.
 Yes it will run, But its also gonna fall on its face at the top end,.
 But, I do remember you also saying that you have NOT built a motor yet !!!! So i would definately listen to what you have to say ::)








Come and get some ;D ;D ;D

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OUCH! ??? The pic said it all!

Dynodon, I think that after Hoosier Daddy makes his fuzzy dice mod he can take you on your badass custom frame perfectly tuned banshee motor that you built. I'm a rookie though so I'm not sure weather you will need the blue or red fuzzy dice to beat him Hoosier. I also know that hanging them from the front bumper thingy will give you more top end, just something to consider.

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I will hang some off mine just for you Chris ;D :-*

10-4 brother! wait till the SFTL league comes down.. ill have the dice..

Define pump gas. 93, 100, or C16?  ;) I don't have a shee but I run only 100 at its bought at the gas station. I can get 110 but not feasable for what type of riding I do.  But I do have a ridding buddy that has 19cc domes, +4 key, CPI IF's, and your average port job and runs 93. It runs pretty good.  But I gotta agree with who said go to PS rather than BansheeHQ. PS has some serious shees on there. -Mark

EXACTLY !!!!!
But, the guy who was asking what mod to do next, NEVER said anything about pump gas, 06banshee said that.
But we always ran 110, or c16 too. Until the SWITCH ;D Now you can just call us  a bunch of alkoholics ;) :drive.gif :drink.gif

 i am calling out the fuzzy dice  just bring it    get it rag

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oh ya heres a little 4 mill iam working on right now

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Hey, I`ll take a set of those dice !!!!!! Make that two sets, one for the front, and one for the rear-------- We need all the top end we can get ;)

I found the CVD system on the trinity web sit, maybe this should be my next mod it seems to really increase performance. If you dont belive a rookie that has never built a motor before gust reed the info next to the dice in the pic. (click pic to enlarge)

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See there, you didnt need any assistance !!!!!!!! ;D

I'm getting the hang of this. now i can go out and give advise. thanks for the training guys.

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I dare ya.  remember i will have the video camera.

I ran CPIs,+4 timing,and a nosshead with 19cc domes.My compression was around 179 Per cylinder.Race gas for me

I HAD A MOTOR WITH 17CC DOMES AND THE SQUISH WAS AT.042 AND THERE IS NO WAY THAT IS A PUMP GAS MOTOR. a motor set up right with 17cc domes is going to have at least 190 to over 200psi of compression. THAT IS NOT A PUMP GAS MOTOR!
my last 350 motor had 17cc domes in it with 220psi of compression, but this motor was built for mx racing or trail riding.

drag racing- lower comp. so the motor revs up quick
trails and mx- high comp for low end power to come out of coners and such.....

that orange bike has some compression, and my calf muscle will tell ya that.

that motor had 175psi when i tested it

Exactly.Really doesnt take a genious to figure out that anything over 150 psi on pump gas is asking for trouble.Im sure anything under 21cc domes at sea level with +6 timing is asking for trouble.But you do what you have to do.I agree with ^^^ tho

you know every  time you post you look more and more like an a$$   read between the lines  its all in how its set up   535 has built a nuff motors  and know what he is talking about but you cant even read what he said mack any sence of it your an idiot plane and simple i can build any motor and mack it run on pump gas as long as its set up right   now i have a stock stroke motor  i just did and it has 180 psi and runs pump gas   with a single carb   that i  will run your a$$ over with   

Hahah 180 psi doesnt take anything lower then 110 octane.But again its your bike you do what you want with it.Oh yea Im an ass read your above post then go talk.Yea Maybe I do get this info from a shop(99performance).But You know what You gotta learn somewhere.You didnt learn all the sh*t you know when you were born you learned from somwhere.IT DONT TAKE 10000000000000 motors To fing learn that anything higher than 150 psi Needs to be mixxed with race gas.Im done with this f**k**g topic and Forum.Go on any website and say you run 180 psi and its on pump gas(93)Which has been the octane that Ive been talking about.You wanna race a stock trailbike?Go right ahead.I might be a dumbass but I aint the one running pump gas on a bike with 180psi Thats for sure.

I DONT WANT TO SAY ANYONE IS WRONG OR RIGHT BUT I WOULD NEVER RUN A BIKE WITH 180PSI ON PUMP GAS.
EVERY SHOP THAT I AM A DEALER FOR HAS TOLD ME FROM THE BEGINING THAT 180 IS RACE GAS.

JUST TALKED TO A&S AND THIS IS WHAT WAS SAID-

160 TO 175 THEY SAY RUN HALF AND HALF
180 ABOVE RACE GAS.

EVERYONE HAS THEIR WAYS AND TROY HAS HIS. IF IT WORKS FOR HIM THEN USE IT.

Come on Smokey, you know Ill hang them  off the bumper...

Kick over a 370 (250r)with hi compression... you cant do it with tennis shoes on that for sure.. dang near breaks your foot...

no $hit.  I went to crank the orange crush and troy said it has some compression.  first kick I couldn't even kick it all the way down.  now I have to jump and kick it to get it started.

oh you hanging em from the bumper and them videos will be all over photobucket.

i went to start mine and i thought i broke my foot >:(. i had to put a motorcross boot on and it still hurt like hell. this thing loves to kick back.
i cant wait until chris tries to kick it. i going to laugh my a$$ off :o

sure hope he doesn't stall out, your going to have to come and crank it for him.

You think that is bad? Try kicking a single 524cc cylinder with 170psi. I sprained my ankle (down for 3 weeks) using tennis shoes when it kicked back one time. Now I have a thin piece of steel in the sole of my boots when I ride. But its the greatest built in alarm system ever!  ;D People ask if they can ride it and I say sure if you can start it. 

Granted I don't turn the rpms that you guys do but I did use 93 octane with 170psi and it ran fine. I use 100 now cause I changed pipes and increased rpms. Just for the safety factor. 

535- You mentioned that in drag racing use low compression. Speaking from a automotive perspective all the high rpm N/A motors use high compression. I can understand the reason for low compression in relation to less resistance in generating rpms but would it affect the rpm capability that much to make a difference? Just curious. Thanks. -Mark

That's a good point.  It might have to do with the drag cars having 8 cylinders, and they're able to overcome it a little better.  Like a single cylinder can't run with super high compression unless the flywheel is very heavy and can compress everything on the compression/intake stroke.  I would guess it's not as bad in a two cylinder, because when one is on it's power stroke, it's forcing the other piston, compressing the air/fuel.  And when you go to 8 cylinders, it's even less a problem, so you can run higher compression.  That's just an idea, don't know if that's correct.

http://www.vitosperformance.com/atv_parts/product.php?productid=11216&cat=189&page=1

Has any one used or heard of this timming plate before as it is so cheap it may be no good (see link abv.)? How far can i advance the timming on pump gas? Thoughts?

Also have you heard about the new 500cc banchee for 2008 see the attached pic. Not a four stroke fan but if i had to buy one that would be the one!

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no, dirtwheels is playing a trick on their readers as usual. there will be no 4 stroke banshee

Thats an average price for that plate. I wouldnt go farther than +4

APRIL FOOLS !   You say