ATV Florida Forum

Well, here we go again. Another Republican for Governor. At least Jebb Bush is gone and his older brother has botched the war up so bad that hopefully he won't ever be able to run for President. My vote was for Max Linn. But I guess he wasn't enough of a good 'ole boy or a Christian to get voted here in Florida. It's great to see that the Republican's are losing power in the House and Senate. Finally, the rest of the country is waking up and realizing the Republicans and President Bush are doing a horrible managing Iraq and our economy.

i would like to be the first to respond with............................

(jerry springer chant)







and thats all your gonna get out of me. ;D

Why does there have to be a party affilliation anyways. If the government would do away with all parties, then our country would be a better place. They all say we need to all be together, but as long as there is seperate parties then they will be divided. I vote for who I beleive is the best person for the job. In my opinion. Bush was faced with a terrorist attack the first year in office and we have not had another since. Someone must be doing something right. You can fight the fight here or over there, I personally would rather fight it over there.

I would rather it not have to be fought at all

absolutely.

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Me too but if you don't fight it, then what will happen. You cannot sit back and wait for us to get hit again.

I understand what your saying

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Seriously, I totally agree with you here. I've never been one to like the whole party affiliation thing. To me, the person representing your party may not be the best person for the job... you vote for who's the lesser of 2 evils, lol. On another note, I'm not really happy with who won, I just hope that they make a big change in what's going on. Especially when it comes to college financial aid. I want to go back to school, but hell if I'm considered loaded and don't qualify for any financial aid whatsoever. Those who know me, know I'm far from loaded, lol. This among other things need a major overhaul... I doubt the person who got elected will do that, but I'm praying they do.


Mudd: I would say most people feel the same way you do... but unfortunately sometimes things have to be done (not saying I agree with what's going on), but you get my drift.

Charlie is about as useful as Charlie Brown.  He has the insurance company's padding his pockets and he's so far up their arses.  Insurance is going to become a HUGE deal this year for not only me but for all of you.  As of 2007 if you are in an auto accident your access to medical and chiropractic care is going to be damn near absent.  And you will be getting bills because it's not going to be covered as it was in the past.

In addition your premiums are going to increase as the big bad insurance companies get rich you will get less coverage and lose more money paying them.  In my case the insurance companies already only pay 1/3 of my bill.  Wonder how much less they'll pay this year.  Oh and while you're thinking this is great for you realize that the less the companies pay Dr.s the fewer will be on the plan which makes drs want off the plans.  What does this mean for you?

It means you'll get foreign or cut rate care and practitioners.  You'll get to pay for your premiums and pay your full bill if you want a decent dr.

I'm not terribly thrilled at the thought of what this particular republican is going to do to my business.  I just hope I can stay in business.
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Yunt I 100% agree that we should abolish the two party system and go independent.  However, it just so happened that this attack was while Bush was in office.  I don't know about you but I don't have a crystal ball that tells the what if factor.  The same thing could have happened w/ a democratic or any other president.  To say that this attack didn't happen again because of Bush is a bit much for me, considering that we don't know and can't know what would have happened had someone else been in office.
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Sky I agree w/ you on student loans.  I owe a 200K for my student loans and due to the governments one time consolidation process I had mine consolidated at .08%.  I can't ever change that.  Which means at that rate I owe $1200/ month for 30 yrs to pay them off.  I'll be 65 by then and hope to have been retired by 15 years.  Unless the government does something to help out on these loan rates there are going to be more like me that can't afford to live and buy a home.  At this rate I won't be able to save for my retirement and buy a home.  There is no 401K or profit sharing as a small business owner so unless I find the money to put away myself I will never retire.

Thanks, We have a military for a reason. Its like we have cops for a reason. I don't like when our people gets killed, but on the other hand, not the first one was drafted. Everyone that signs up for the military knows that they are serving to protect us and thats what they are trained to do. It is a dangerous profession, just like every cop that protects us day in and day out. They know the risk before they train for the job. My brother served and he knew the risk when he went in. He came back alive but he did it for our country. If we are not gonna use our military when we need them, then why are we spending money on arsenal and training.

ieds dont work at 45k feet!!!!

I agree I'm all for our military, I support them 150%, but lately it seems like we are the police of the world, whenever someone farts wrong were there to cover it up.  I'm sorry but we need to start taking batter care of our own rather than spending billions on other countries to stabilize their economy.  We have highly educated people in our country that cannot afford to live let alone take the family on a vacation.

The military kept my father in a job in the 80's when he worked for General Dynamics, gave me a job when the machine shop I worked in was contracted out by Bath Iron Works.  We have the greatest military in the world, but when it comes down to it do we need it all?  .

I thought Ghostrider was bipartisan?

Bones, I think you ment bisexual......    LOL  J/K GhostRider

I do agree with you Mudd, I support them also. I also think Bush is doing a fine job. The media is always talking about a pole that they took that says more people are against him then for him. I have to say that I have not had my chance to vote in any one of these polls. If any member on here has got a call asking how you feel about our current president please post that you have. I will be almost sure to say not the first member on here has gotten a call.

Wow QT, that's a lot! I originally started going to DBCC, luckily I qualified for grants and it was paid for my 1st and 2nd semesters. Unfortunately my mom got a raise (I'm under 25 and still live with her so on financial aid applications I have to put both of our incomes... even though I'm the only one who pays for my schooling) even though her raise was small it made it so that I no longer qualify for Pell Grants or any other form of grants. I am now considering going to an animal grooming school and they are wanting almost $10K... I only make $9.25 an hour, lol. So now I'm almost 2nd guessing everything... stay in my crappy job, or shove myself further in debt, lol.... ahh decisions decisions... this sucks.  :'(

Sky I know all to well where you stand, I had to pay for my Associates degree with Credit Cards cause I made to much working part time at 5.25/hr when my father was on workmans comp after he shattered his elbow.  After that I moved down here and went back to school for my BS degree, if I had to do it over I wouldn't have done it.  I'm in a job now that is in my field but its not paying like it used to, I hit the job market about 2 years to late.  So now I have a $50k loan for school and a sub $35k/yr job.  Doesn't seem right to me.  I know this is pocket change compared to QT's 9 yrs of school to become a Doctor.....

LoL, I hear ya. Whether its 10K or 200K it is just as hard especially when you make next to nothing to begin with. I wish I knew what pay scale the politicians were looking at when they made the requirements for the grant system. Between my mom and I we still make under 50K a year, how do the really expect the average person to pay for thier schooling? Even with loans and CCs the monthly payments would be more then most could afford anyway... it's like a lose lose situation.

I know the feeling, I heard of a study done a few months back here in Lee county on housing.  A family (2 people) need to make about $90k/yr to be able to afford a mid size house and live somewhat comfortable.  Looks like I'll be stuck in my parents house until they die.  The only reason I have what I have is because I moved back home, if I didn't do that I wouldn't have a damn thing to my name.

In reality, it doesn't matter...Republican or Democrat, they're the same animal...politician.

They're subserviant to their own best interests, and typically more often than not, those interests equate to lobbyist support, cronyism, and saying whatever it takes to exploit and manipulate their constiuency for their votes.

If you believe that the plutocracy truly cares about the blue collar working man, I believe you are sadly mistaken.

And as for the questions of "fight them there, or fight them here"...Although it would take an incredible amount of courage, you should fight them here, because here, they stand out like a sore thumb, and you can identify and destroy the enemy. Over there, they blend in, and that is the root cause of our inability to win.

Besides, that arguement is basically like saying..."I hope my dog takes a crap in your yard, so it doesn't mess up my yard".   Where's the honor in that?

 

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What that BS stand for. LOL

Come on Rico, Those people in the twin towers were innocent people. They did nothing to those terrorist but yet they take it out on americans as a whole. As far as the dog taking a crap thing. Why didn't those terrorist stay in their own country and fight the fight over there if we invaded them. They are the ones to come here first.

ummmm............


i live on a one-way dead-end street.

All I know is I thank God every day that my mom and I get along as well as we do. For all I know, at the rate things are going, I'll be living at home for a VERY long time.

Rico: I defiantely agree with you about all politicians being the same. I say get rid of them all, lol. I wish "the people" truely got to have a say in every issues that comes to the voting block. Instead we have to choose a few people and hope that they do a little of something in our bests interests. I wish we could just have a huge vote once a week or something, where we the people litterally vote on the issues that affect us.... that way there is no chance for someone so far out of touch with reality to take control and forget that his 200+K a year salary is NOT the average mans salary.

You are 100% right Yunt. The terrorists need to be dealt with. 

But we're not dealing with terrorists in Iraq, we're in the middle of an insurgency, wrapped in a Sunni vs Shia vs Kurds civil war.

We should have kept our eyes on the prize, that being Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban, and not been distracted by the hypothetical threat of the meglomaniac Sadaam Hussein.

It's this failure in Iraq that has held us back as a country. That's why I expect Donald Rumsfeld will step down today, now that the dems are in control and have subpoena power.

how can you tell when a lawyer politician is lying..........................












........his lips are moving.

So true! :Dead.gif

Agreed.  Great post... and your first one too! 

Iraq is Vietnam. We over there battling other peoples war, we have the power to destroy the enemy but politians/money/greed is the barrier from ending this F'n war. I'm sure Cain will pop in here and give a 10 paragraph reason on the validity of us being over there for over 4yrs.  ;)
-Mark

As you predicted Rico. www.cnn.com

Dumsfeld is gone.    -Mark

Yeah, Iraq had nothing to do with the twin towers coming down. They also didn't have any WMDs. So, why are we there? Oil interests for the Bush and Chaney, perhaps? Private contracters making a million or two, or three? Did you know companies contracted over there to keep our soldiers bathrooms clean are making more money than a Private First Class?

Man, the war in Iraq couldn't be going all that good since the Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld just resigned!

And no, I'm not gay and I'm not interested in under age male pages, either.   :R

You spoke my mind!

Rico I couldn't agree more w/ what you said.  You are 100% correct on this one.

Well Charlie Crist won!............Thats great!

Im a Demo..............lol

I don't belive bill nelson won  the oil banner freak from miami
and i'm glad  harris didn't win..

I'm mostly in my family:I'm a libertarian and independent person
and mom is an old Tennessee Democrat.lol


I know why people  didn't vote for Jim Davis
for raising property taxes and resident neighborhoods
and he wanted take some the fcat off, that's why it's been going on for months
on the local TV stations in Florida like the Tallahassee channels i get on my
DirecTV here.

Oh i was  listen all that stuff on 97.3 on the Gainesville libertarian Station
and Rush was right about one thing the Republicans screw up not our faults
and I heard on the bob rose show why they didn't pick  decide other beside
rep Katherine Harris.

Do you think Jeb Bush's trying to run for the to 2008 elections
president?  Somthing very odd about that one!!!

Well, when the President-elect has happens I'm going to vote
a libertarian or independent president that supports better issues
and we need more off-road rights for ourselves.

But I do agree you're what your saying on here.

Me, i'm person doesn't like environment issues such as things
when they get too far on too many things.

I guess it was alot of women voters did this for voting for all the Democrats
in the Senate and I guess alot women  got tired of it.

Since we got a dem woman of Speaker the house
maybe she won't support gay rights and i hope she not a lesbian
doesn't seem type of person in  Anyway.

Highlander, I agree with all you said. You speak your mind and I respect that, but why don't you want to see gay people marry?

How does it effect you, and why would you want to control what other people can and can't do.


Just for the record, I'm not gay, but I do own a ton of BED, BATH, AND BEYOND stock, and the gay marriages are good for my stock.

i think Charlie Daniels should be the SOLE leader of this country.



rico, quit lying. you as well as everyone here know you are gay. you, your sister, your sisters g/f, your mom, your grandma, your uncle.............

OH SNAP! He just totally dissed you Rico.  That dude OWN'S you! 

You just got served!

Looks like I'm going to have to move to Tennessee now that Mr. Insurance commissioner Christ is in office! My insurance goes up again I'm going to blame all you dumb a$$es that vote for Captain high pants. ;D

what? christ was never the insurance commisioner of fla

Take looked dang Cumberland county is REP
it use be old Demcrat state back in early days when things were
good when my mom told me about it once.

I guess they have rep senate doesn't mean i hate them
it's just facts you have look at.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/states/TN/S/01/index.html

Take look tenn govorment is a demcrat
does mean i don't hate them demcrats in certain ways.
At least my granparents are happy about that!!!


The day i stop becoming a demcrat that  crap went down with janet reno
with ellion gonzillas and our govorment cover that crap up and druging
poor boy up and sent back to cuba you can see pics back few years ago covoring his arm with
white plastic rubber thing on his right upper arm on cnn it
look like cover up and i didn't like janet reno at all what she did
to those people in waco tx. To  me that woman was complete nut back in those days!! >:(

Here's votes all florida countyies
For wins of  governer of florida.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/states/FL/G/00/map.html

He's referring to insurance in the fact that Christ's pocket have been padded by the insurance companies for a long time.  He's on their side.  Which means as insurance goes he's on the side of big business, not the state residents and 'little people.'

Please not another debate on homosexuals.  Let me just fast forward this whole debate in one comment.  I think the conversation would go something like this.

Uncle Rico: Who are you to judge who can and cannot get married?
AmericanHighlander:Its against the bible and the bible says that marriage should be between a man and a woman.
Uncle Rico: That is true, however, this is a marriage that is recognized by the state.  Besides, the consitution specifically mentions the separation of church and state.
AmericanHighlander: Good point, however the foundation of this country was built on Christian beliefs.
Uncle Rico: Regardless, I will never change my opinion.
AmericanHighlander: Neither will I.
Uncle Rico: So we agree to disagree?
AmericanHighlander: You got that right cowboy, so there is no reason to discuss this any further.
Uncle Rico: I noticed you are a goat farmer, I would like to buy one of your goats
AmericanHighlander: I am a little hesitant to sell you one, I heard you got in trouble for molesting some livestock out at River Ranch
Uncle Rico: Listen, don't judge, I though I was milking a cow and it turned out to be that it was a bull, its an easy mistake
AmericanHighlander:  Well, what do you have to trade for the goat?
Uncle Rico: I have a pair of beer goggles with bud light vision
AmericanHighlander: Hmmmm very tempting, I have some already with the Old Milwaukee vision but they are a little fuzzy
Uncle Rico: Well my bud light ones are awesome, the would make Muddfreak look like a prom queen.
AmericanHighlander:  Alright, you have yourself a deal
Uncle Rico: excellent, I will pick him up just as soon as I am done knitting him some mittens and matching socks.  Actually since winter is coming up I am gonna knit him a scarf as well.  I should be done in about a week
AmericanHighlander: Peace out Uncle Rico
Uncle Rico: Later

Thanks for the Link Highlander...YOU ARE THE MAN!

You may have won this round, Sleazy Rider.....but remember, pay back, she's a beeyotch.

Uncle Rico, I have a sudden qualm about entering into a battle of words with you.

Sleazy def wins that round!

Sleazy    You told me in Ocala that I was YOUR Prom Queen........    LMAO

I'm so glad we have another Republcan in office ! Even if the Dems screw up the house and senate and stall any and all progress for the next couple years, at least we have someone in office to fight the crazy left agenda. No to gay marriage, No to partial birth abortions, Yes to Charlie Christ  ;D

Don't even speak to me about student loans, insurance and taxes. If and when any of you want to trade, just let me know. I'll hand you my bills and take over yours.

However, here's some food for though:

First, student loans. My student loans are crazy. I won't even mention what I pay per month. Lets just say you could pay a HUGE mortgage with what I pay out. However, I have these because I could not qualify for grants or aid. No, I had excellent grades in school (magna cum laude for my undergrad work, cum laude for my masters and JD) but that didn't matter. The problem was that I didn't fit into the profile for the award. I am caucasian, male, american, my parents made good money, I made good money...see the pattern?
Never mind the fact I was a superior student to the majority of the students recieving the financial rides. I am just the wrong race/sex/nationality/take your pick for the liberal student aid programs offerred on a national and state level. Democrat? Republican? Doesn't matter. Niether side has fixed it yet.

Regarding taxes. I've reached a point in my career where I make more money than I ever dreamed I would. Sounds great right? Well, let me tell you that considering the amount of income tax I pay each year, I should have an interstate named after me by now. Don't even start on property tax. My property tax bills would give the tin man the runs. Where do my tax dollars go? Not back to me in any meaningful format. Sure, roads, military, Social Security, blah blah blah. In fact, I'm now contributing to the liberal aid programs that have become crutches that some people believe they are entitled to or owed. Take your pick again... welfare, SBA loans for minorities, tax breaks for minority businesses, special considerations for minority contracts, FEMA payments to idiots that used them to buy Gucci hand bags....and the list goes on. Democrat? Republican? Doesn't matter, still not fixed.

Insurance, there's a good one. When I got my homeowners statement for this year, I almost shot myself. Regarding medical insurance, here's an idea. Given the fact the medical industry is the most inflated and fat cat industry on the face of the planet due to decades of guaranteed payments to providers by insurance companies, lets see what the industry is capable without a false basis for demand. Guess what? Apply a little free market capitalism to the industry and that $600.00 shot of cortizone with a band-aid becomes a $50.00 procedure as it should be. The pocket lining is not within the insurance companies, it's in the industries recieving the insurance payments. Why do you think the rates are up and many companies are pulling out? Simple supply and demand folks. DEmocrat? Republican? Doesn't matter.

Now, I don't want to seen bitter here. I'm not one to complain. I love my life, my job and my position in life. I'm what you'd call a loud and proud American that supports my country will all my heart. I'm behind Bush, our troops and our government. It's not perfect, but it's still the greatest place on earth. Now, lets see if both sides can stop the chest beating long enough to get something done.


Oh yeah, Rico is not gay. His boyfriend is gay but Rico is not!

Anoriginal, thats a good point in regards to see if both sides can work together. From what I heard today, they are talking about it. Democrat or Republican, we need to move forward as a country now. 

its all a political chess game on each side to see who can exploit each others missteps , dont look for much more other than a better Iraq stragedy. Every thing else will be put on hold till a new POTUS is elected. And if you ask me we need a sane military man to run , like a Gen. W. Clarke , that way we have a true military prospective  of being in action not a draft dodgers or a child of priviledge that was sheltered from his duty as an American.    MY .02

I actually feel that Rico has made some sense for a change !!!
I agree with 90% of what he has said, Good job Rico :deal.gif :Clap.gif

Trying put me in online poll movie.. LOL   :)

No problem!!  8)

AMEN!!!!!

That was very well said. I agree with you 100%.

My thoughts exactly. Mabey this country will straighten up now that these republicans are out of office. Hopefully this new governor does something for the atv community but I doubt he will.

it doesnt matter. insurance and utilites in florida are already out of control. MY PARENTS PAY 20 DOLLARS EVERY SINGLE DAY JUST TO INSURE THE HOUSE

You got to eliminate big business in our government or it just going to get worse. There needs to be a campain reform, The republicans don't won't it because they raise the most money. The democrats talk about it but nothing ever happens. Do you think it would be fair if a referee calling the game for the Bucaneers can take money from the opposing team. No that would be crazy, but our political canidates do. This has to stop. You notice how the current governor does nothing about the current insurance problems duh! thats were he got most of his money from too. It seems like when choosing a canidate you have to look at who's padding there pocket before choosing. But a lot of people do know this and still vote like they do ignorant :-\  I have come to relize people are crooked just like our government  >:(
                Just my 1 cents

Unfortantely, goverment, I believe is ran by the lobbist, the ones with the big money.  Regardless if your democrat or Republican, the one with the most money in their pocket wins.

I for one am a Republican, simply for the fact the democrats are just way beyond liberal, and I really think (althought they won this time) that's what hurts the democratic party the most. They swing so far to the liberal side it's just ain't funny.  Did you notice this election, there was not much talk about "gay rights", about "partial birth abortion", you know why, it's stuff like that which really hurts the democratic party.  I can tell you, many people vote Republican, regardless, due to these issues.  Due to the fact, we want certains truths upheld, and the democratic party can be so far to the left, that is almost scary.  Also, I don't agree that we can just pull out of Iraq, and I also don't believe that Iraq don't have anything to do w/terrorism.  Come on, we either fight it there, or we fight it here.  But the cold hard truth is, we are at war. A war that is very hard to fight. Let's see, you really think now that bcz the Democrats are in control, we are just going to pull out of Iraq, wake up.  It's so much bigger than some realize.  It is a war on terrorism, and we MUST WIN THIS WAR..... We must.

Let's see what the demcratic party does... Let's see. If you ask me, my predication is this.  Two more years, the country will swing back Republican, bcz the democratic party is just to liberal and too soft on the terrorist. I have nothing against you if you are gay, but you know what, don't you dare try to teach my 7 year old son "that's okay" we are all different.  You know what, that's my decision as a parent.  And if you think that I am really going off, look at the public schools, and look at what some of these people want to teach our kids, this is what gets me pist. 

Oh we can take God out of our schools, off our money, out of our pledge, but you know what it is okay to be gay, to hate God, and you know what if you want to Jihad against our country, that is your right.  Give me a friggin break....

Im with you cheropride.

Clinton did nothing when the USS cole was attacked, nothing about samalia (mocadishue) and ignored coutless warnings about terrorist attacks and knew where bin laden was and did nothing.All he accomplished was monica.Every attack led to the next bigger attack ,do you all really think 9/11 was a spur of the moment plan no it was years of planning.The only thing wrong with bushes approch was that he was worried about how the rest of the world would view us such as the U.N.
we should have turned the middle east as a hole into a glass desert right after 9/11.democrats also want the most tax increases,Tax increases I cannot afford.The middle class pays for everything we are the working people the taxes pay for people who do not want to work medical bills housing food stamps and such.the upper class has accountants that find loop holes to avoid large taxes.and partial birth abortion is just morally wrong.pro choice= pro death they had a choice to use protection or even abstinance to why give them another choice when they were to lazy to make the right choice to start with.and yes lobbiest run the country for the exact reason chero said.I believe lobbiest should be outlawed.We almost need to fire the whole goverment and start over,break up the good ole boy club and get back to the way our founding fathers intended it to be.

Thats a designed republican loop hole! I think I'm paying more taxes now than ever so throw that theory out the window. I like how republicans always use that scare tactics democrats raise taxes, thats getting old.  :(   I'm with ya on firing the gov. To many positions for what a bunch of argueing and nothing gets done. 1 representive from each state and 10 congress men, a pres. and vice and a couple others and thats it. ;)

All one can say is that time will tell.  As for tax cuts, there has been more tax cuts in the last 6 years than when Clinton was in office.  Unemployment is at an all time low.  Look at the stock market, who could imagine after 9/11 it would ever come back the way it did, it's even higher than prior to 9/11. As for terrorist attacks, the democrats appear to want to stop alot of the surveliance issues, but to me this country is at high risk and we need to take all messures to protect this land. 

Personally, I think homeowner insurance is one of the biggest problems in Florida.  Hell, 3 years ago I was paying $1300.00, then last year jumped to $3800.00, now up to $4022.34.  You realize, that's $335 per month - that's crazy.  My home taxes aren't that bad, since we have lived in this house prior to the big real estate boom, but now we are house stuck, cause can't afford new taxes in Broward. The tax issue on homes, really has alot to do with the amount the home values have gone up. Been in this house for 10 years, and property value has gone up $300,000 - that's wild.

I do agree w/what Crist said though, if these insurance companies want to write their auto, and other lines of insurance, well then they must write homeowners insurance. If they pull homeowners, then they must totally pull out of the state.  They should not be allowed to pick and choose what they want to write.  If we have more insurance companies, than we would have more competition with rates. Hell, right now they (the what 2 that still write), can charge what ever they want and we have no choice.  The other guys plan was to add a 20 billion dollar insurance fund, now where do you think that 20 billion would come from - our pockets. 

Some of you people are amazingly uninformed. Schools teaching your kids to be gay? Thats moronic, because we are all different.
Gay marriage? Who cares, they are together anyways and they are entitled to medical insurance benefits. Dont bring up the bible either, thats why we have a seperation of church and state. Religion is based on belief/faith nothing else.
Clinton did try to do something about Bin Laden, congress wouldnt let him kill him, they were too focused on him getting BJs. Bush had the same info that Clinton did and he didnt do anything either. Bin Laden is still out there and we are in just as much danger now than ever before.
I will give Crist a chance to do something, at least he is not the bible thumping Jebster who was trying to force the bible into every policy from Terry Schiavo to Gambling. But if you think that forcing Insurance companies to insure everything is going to work ithink you are in for a surprise. More will pull out than stay.

Who are you to you contradict what I heard rush say on the radio? :)
It will be funny as hell when Crists' gayness is exposed.

I think its important for us all to rememeber that unless we are talking about locally elected officials , for the most part they are faithful to one thing ....there PARTY! Not you OR your particular ideals or goals, but to the goals of there  Party!!! I for one dont live with my head in the sand , blindely following like a lemming. Both parties are crooks and liars, if you dont think they are answer me this? When there is a scandal or impropriaties of any nature and one side accuses the other side of outrageous behavior , the opposite side denies it but doesnt threaten legal action for making false claims.......do they? What you should take from that is there is a bit of truth to everything thats brought to light or it wouldnt have surfaced in the first place. Ask yourself this ? Why arent there any state or U.S Senators or Reps. that arent well to do or children of priviledge? Why does it cost so much just to enter a race for a seat? The answer is quite simple........ they dont want the little mans input, they dont want to hear the plite of the worker, they would rather tell you they understand you hurt and that they hurt too. Yeah right ......tell me another one.

Quoted for truth!!

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Only one paragraph!  Well said!

if you really want to know were a candidate stands on an issue you must reaserch how that cadidate has voted on the issues in the past.That will show you really what their made of.you can not listen to the mud slinging that goes on during a campaign or believe what they say .the proof of who they are shows in hoe they have voted in the past .If you dont reaserch before voting most likely you may have voted wrong.

Everyone seems to think that Bin Laden is alive. How do people know this for sure. Because we have not found his dead body. It may have been blown to smitherines or he may have been buried by his own people. How does people know he is still alive. Don't tell me because he made some kind of video. We all know that you can do wonders with photoshop. And if he is actually alive, he must be hidden deep in a cave so then he may as well be as good as dead.

WOW.................................... :K     okay.

as they say in Pleasant City ......"True Dat"

But, you must also : 1)find out who their major campaign contributors are 2) find out their family backround and their connections 3) past offices held and what resulted from their being elected. 4) who endorses their campaign .

 thats just a few if you really want the right canidate, and even then you might get hosed. Just look at Tony Masilloti , he may have taken more money from developers than we will ever know . Considering, western Palm Beach County grew more on his watch than on any others. And he had alot of people thinking he was the stuff.

How do I know. He's working at a 7-11 in North Jersey, he busted me trying to say my Big Gulp was a refill when it was a new cup. My friend is in the FBI and told me he's in the witness relocation plan for ratting out Al Zarqawi, that's how I know.

I must agree ,sad thing is most people just watch the mud slinging commercials and base their decisions off those.and then complain how the gov't is run. I still say fire them all and start over!

Thanks Rico, Now at least we all know the rest of the story. LOL Glad your on here dude. You can come up with some good stuff.